Are Israel and America Heading for a Blowup?
A telling moment occurred in Turkey when President Obama spoke before its parliament. He stated that America is committed to previous understandings reached between the parties. He also specifically mentioned Annapolis and a two-state solution. He thereby rebuked Lieberman’s opinion regarding Annapolis and Netanyahu’s views about the need to rush towards the establishment of a Palestinian state. But he also mentioned the road map — a fact that escaped the attention of many commentators — and said that Israel’s security concerns are legitimate.
What other tea leaves can be read?
George Mitchell is the special envoy to the Middle East. He also has a direct line to President Obama. He does not have to go through the State Department to have his views mediated or altered. In the past, Mitchell served in the same role for Bill Clinton. When his team issued its report, it focused on Israeli settlements as being a roadblock to peace. The report advocated a total freeze, including natural growth.
This will be a serious bone of contention between the Obama administration and the new Israeli leadership. Eliot Abrams, who served in George W. Bush’s administration, telegraphed as much in this recent Washington Post op-ed. He also refuted some of the arguments that have been made that blame Israeli settlements for the violence in the region
Iran will also be a problem — as it has been for years. This year will be different, though. A more muscular approach towards Iran’s nuclear program has long been advocated by Netanyahu, and now he has the power to turn those opinions into actions. The Obama team prefers negotiations and outreach over threats and military action. Indeed, in the past week, America has agreed to join with the European Union in face-to-face talks with the Iranians over their nuclear program.
A discordant note has been injected into the equation. The Obama team has reportedly approached members of Congress, warning them that a clash is coming and implying that the administration is depending on congressional Democrats to support the administration’s approach. This is an unprecedented action on the part of the president. Apparently, pre-emption in this area is one policy that Barack Obama supports.
Almost in tandem with this move, Vice President Joe Biden laid down a marker, warning Israel away in a CNN interview from any sort of military action against Iran. America, as Israel’s most stalwart supporter, has great leverage over Israel, which is enhanced by American control over the Iraqi airspace that Israeli planes would have to transverse on their way to attacking Iranian nuclear installations.
What we are witnessing is a ritual that occurs on the international stage quite often: Two recently empowered leaders are developing the contours of a relationship. There are parameters, boundaries, red lines, and agreements that will unfold in the days ahead. Netanyahu will find the words and formulas that will work to assuage the concerns of Barack Obama that he will be too hawkish towards the Palestinians — perhaps agreeing to a freeze on settlement activity. That would be a goodwill gesture on his part. In return, Netanyahu might very well paste on a happy face regarding the Obama’s team outreach towards the Iranians but behind closed doors advocate that a time limit be placed on these negotiations, pointing out that interminable negotiations have previously resulted in no slowing of Iran’s nuclear program.
This week, Jews are celebrating Passover to commemorate their ancestors escape from Egyptian slavery.
Barack Obama will host the first seder ever held in the White House. Some may see this as a cynical move to warm up Jews in the face of disagreements ahead. Perhaps so. Symbolism over substance is a political fact of life. Whether this is the goal or not, it might behoove the celebrants at the seder to inform President Obama of a different Jewish holiday. The Purim holiday celebrates the deliverance of the Jewish people from the Persian leader Haman’s plot to annihilate them. Persia is the ancient name of today’s Iran.
President Obama may have the power to make history come alive by rescuing half of the world’s Jews from an Iranian regime that is again bent on bringing about a Holocaust.
Dear Ed, do you know how many Presidents, Special Envoys, European Quartets, peace conferences, peace plans have come and gone in the Middle East over the past 60 years? Too many to count, and a lot of the people promoting those ill fated plans were more experienced, more knowledgeable, more determined, better equipped diplomaically, and less involved with events back home than Barack Obama ever will be. And all peace plans they brought with them failed for precisely the same reason and that reason is why no matter how Obama pushes Israel, he will fail too.
And the reason is so simple and obvious that I have to wonder why so many bright and informed Western diplomats have failed to see it.
It is simply and plainly this, the Palestinians do not and never have wanted peace with Israel and will accept no formulation which allows for the sovereign democratic Jewish State to exist in the Middle East.
The only peace formulation acceptable to the Palestinians and indeed the Arab world in general is one that will insure the immediate physical destruction of the Jewish State preferably including the genocide or ethnic cleansing of all the Jews living here.
After Obama and Mitchell bang their heads against that wall a few times you will hear almost nothing about the Palestinian Israeli peace process although Obama may make an occasional passing reference to it in some obscure locale.
Obama is going to sell Israel down the river. Surprise? Lieberman’s idea for an oath is spot on. My cousin (an Isfaeli Colonel) has often told me how the endgame will play out, with an next, more common step of pogroms against Jews inside Israel proper. (although I consider all of Judea and Samaria proper) (I’ll instead say pre-’67 borders). This rioting will be done to raise the ire of the Euro patsies and of course the rest of the Jew hating world into backing Edward Said’s one state ARAB majority bulls**t. Obama backs this so does the corrupt pro Mullah Biden. The Arab Mitchell. And the others like Powers and the powerless Hillary. One hitch all. Israel knows of Obama’s intentions and Bibi has more intelligence in his pinky than our crack smoking Kenyan President. Israel has been preparing to go at it alone if necessary. The time may come soon or after Obama shows his true cards and all Israelis’ once again dig down and find the moral right and strength to act. Period. Reagan spoke out against the strike at Iraq’s nuclear plant. Yet they did it anyway. As for flying over Iraq. Be creative folks and the answers will become more clear. Strange untrustworty neighbors make for strange alliances. Anyone recall Black Sunday?
Not too mention the fact that President Obama also gets advise from someone who thinks invading Israel can by justified.
There is a certain amount of hogwash in this article.
It should read that the Obama administration faces a chillier reception in Israel than it does anywhere else on our planet.
One reason for this is that Benjamin Netanyahu is the kind of man that will take positive and timely action to defend and protect his nation and people instead of paying any attention to the endless stream of self-aggrandizing, meaningless babble coming from Obama.
In short, once again as it has many times in the past, the tiny nation of Israel will carry the load while the rest of the world – frozen in fear – watches.
From the horses mouth or arse, whichever you prefer.
From MEMRI :
Egyptian Cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub: The Jews are the Enemies of Muslims Regardless of the Occupation of Palestine; ‘Believe That We Will Fight, Defeat, and Annihilate Them, Until Not a Single Jew Remains on the Face of the Earth’
Following are excerpts from a speech delivered by Egyptian cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub, which aired on Al-Rahma TV on January 17, 2009.
To view this MEMRI TV clip, click here (login required).
“You Must Believe That We Will Fight, Defeat, and Annihilate Them, Until Not a Single Jew Remains on the Face of the Earth”
Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub: “If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them? Of course not. We will never love them. Absolutely not. The Jews are infidels – not because I say so, and not because they are killing Muslims, but because Allah said: ‘The Jews say that Uzair is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that Christ is the son of Allah. These are the words from their mouths. They imitate the sayings of the disbelievers before. May Allah fight them. How deluded they are.’ It is Allah who said that they are infidels.
“Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing. Allah said: ‘You shall find the strongest men in enmity to the disbelievers [sic] to be the Jews and the polytheists.’ Third, you must believe that the Jews will never stop fighting and killing us. They [fight] not for the sake of land and security, as they claim, but for the sake of their religion: ‘And they will not cease fighting you until they turn you back you’re your religion, if they can.’
“This is it. We must believe that our fighting with the Jews is eternal, and it will not end until the final battle – and this is the fourth point. You must believe that we will fight, defeat, and annihilate them, until not a single Jew remains on the face of the Earth.”
“As For You Jews – The Curse of Allah Upon You… You Pigs of the Earth! You Kill the Muslims With That Cold Pig [Blood] Of Yours”
“It is not me who says so. The Prophet said: ‘Judgment Day will not come until you fight the Jews and kill them. The Jews will hide behind stones and trees, and the stones and tree will call: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him – except for the Gharqad tree, which is the tree of the Jews.’ I have heard that they are planting many of these trees now.
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“As for you Jews – the curse of Allah upon you. The curse of Allah upon you, whose ancestors were apes and pigs. You Jews have sown hatred in our hearts, and we have bequeathed it to our children and grandchildren. You will not survive as long as a single one of us remains.
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“Oh Jews, may the curse of Allah be upon you. Oh Jews… Oh Allah, bring Your wrath, punishment, and torment down upon them. Allah, we pray that you transform them again, and make the Muslims rejoice again in seeing them as apes and pigs. You pigs of the earth! You pigs of the earth! You kill the Muslims with that cold pig [blood] of yours.”
“Can you believe that in Mecca, Al-Madina, Cairo, Damascus, Kuwait, and all over the Islamic world there hangs the picture of beautiful Queen Esther, with a crown on her head, and we buy her products?
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“We want Starbucks to be shut down throughout the Arab and Islamic world. We want it to be shut down in Mecca and in Al-Madina. I implore King Abdallah bin Abd Al-‘Aziz, the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques: It is inconceivable that in Mecca and Al-Madina, there will be a picture of Queen Esther, the queen of the Jews.”
Obama might be a charmer, he might be slick and he may be able to con US Jews. Israeli Jews do not trust the guy, we are collectively sick of a peace process that clearly can never work (20 years of head banging). If Obama wields a stick on the JEWS of ISRAEL while he offers a US Hand of Peace to those who have vowed to expunge the Jewish state (Iran et al.)he has no understanding of who or what we are and to what lengths we as a people will go to to defend the 18,000 square Km that we have on this planet.
Be prepared for some surprises Obama, if you cant get Iran or North korea to abide be security council resolutions dont expect Israeli Jews to self destruct for your popularity ratings.
#1 Ken
Those of us who have lived in Israel know this to be true, as does The White House, the Arab governments and the European leaders. To further discuss Mid-East “peace” is an absolute waste of time and energy. I am hoping that one day soon, a leader of clarity and courage will emerge and clearly state the obvious. Until then, the farce continues.
The Israeli government will finesse the Palestinian problem. The friction will come over Iran. Obama is committed to appeasing Iran regardless of how many times Iran rejects him. He has already given signals that we accept Iran as a nuclear armed nation and he gives his tacit support to Iranian domination of the area. Israel cannot and will not accept this.
Despite what conventional wisdom says the Israelis hold all the high cards. They will push for a US sanctioned Plan A all the while hinting that if not Plan A then Plan B. We all know what Plan B is and I have no doubt when push comes to shove Israel will execute that plan.
Friend and foe alike know that Obama is uninformed and uninterested foreign affairs and will cave into circumstances no matter what the consequences. Obama will cave into anybody who pushes him and the thorny problem in the Middle East is that he will cave in first to Iran on nukes and then to Israel on a pre-emptive strike.
Obama is a snake.
A couple of corrections. Netanyahu didn’t “support” the Wye accords, he negotiated them–but reluctantly, under fierce pressure from Clinton. These accords stipulated further Israeli territorial withdrawals, which were never implemented because of ongoing Palestinian violations of all aspects of the Oslo and subsequent agreements.
Lieberman did not call for loyalty oaths from Israel’s Arab citizens but from ALL Israeli citizens. There are also Jewish citizens whose loyalty is quite questionable. In any case even if Lieberman survives his legal problems and remains, this doesn’t have a ghost of a chance of becoming government policy.
We’re getting ready to sell Israel out, and as I’ve said before the sellout will mark the final destruction of any pretense The West has to moral authority. It will effectively be the end of us, and deservedly so. Because having failed to stand up for our Israeli friends we won’t stand up for the rest of our “friends” either and it’ll be feed the crocodile so he eats you last.
President Obama legitimizes terrorists. Israel is screwed unless they take independent action. Obama is incompetent enough to just swallow the bitter pill. For him, it’s all about power. To heck with everything else.
Anyone who thought Obama was pro-Israel and voted for him swallowed a lie. Obama has never been pro-Israel and never will be. He says what he needs to say for political reasons and knows that there will always be people out there who will fall for the deception.
All of Obama’s latest actions are showing this as the truth. Who is he bowing down for? The Saudis. Who is he bending over backwards to meet with? Iran.
The smart, thinking people in Israel know that Obama (and his backers) are really enemies.
Any American who is not personally involved with or affected by the Israel-Jewish quandary should take a few steps back and take a hard new look.
Apart from the blacks, the Leftist, Marxist anti-Israel liberal Jews were and are the Messiah most vocal supporters – an astonishing 78%.
You won’t see a single neo-Nazi at a pro-Palestinian protest; you will see instead many self-loathing Commie Jews bashing Israel, same with the Jewish N.Y.Times.
Israel ultimate doom will be the result of her stubborn, blind tribal solidarity and her unwillingness to follow Germany’s moral courage: they condemned and distanced themselves from the Nazi ideology.
Any reference or oblique allusion to Bolshevism which intended to destroy and annihilate Judaism and the Jewish ethnicity then and now will be met with harsh condemnation, accusations, Antisemitism, etc. and the poster will be banned or censored.
Americans voted for the Left and consequently historical America is no more…
In Israel they voted for “conservatives” but they are the minority and no match for the Axelrod, Soros, etc. lead Marxist Diaspora Jewish Left.
Enough of our problem as is now;- we’d better let the Jews sort out these questions among themselves: should we take stand for Israel, we’ll be called by names even by Leftist Jews.
Christian Zionist are the most hated group…
Of course we shall never join the Dhimmis we shall never genuflect facing their King….we’d better stay afar…as much as possible.
The Israelis will launch against Iran. It is a matter of survival.
Will Obama order Iraq based American fighters to intercept and engage the Israeli bombers on their way to takeout the Iranian missile sites and nuclear reactors?
Given who he is that scenario is not out of the question.
Finally, will the American fighter pilots – true patriots as opposed to our muslim president – obey his order?
We have an ignorant, dishonest man as president, who seemingly has Arab sympathies. He is ruining our country and I am happy to hear that Israelis are not fooled by him. I felt, even before the election, that American Jews who cared about Israel should not vote for Obama. All of our worst fears are coming true, day by day. And even after seeing this man BOW to an Arab, people still make excuses for him.
The Isrealis have jerked around the US too, folks. It’s time we told them to take down those illegal settlements or the $$ stops.
We also need to stop any and all aid we are giving to the Palestinians. Why keep subsidizing people who are their own worse enemies, who celebrated 9-11, and who indulge in massive corruption and extremism?
Of course there will be friction. the obamessiah is MUSLIM.
Obama ‘changes’ insuring catastrophic nightmare scenarios are sped up and brought to immediate fruition.
9. chris in Toronto:
Obama is a snake.
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I object to that insult to snakes.
It took muslims 200 years to eradicate the Crusader States. They’re not going to give up and let Israel survive after only 60 years of war. We may see peace in the mid-east by 2525 – but just maybe.
“As foreign minister, he has stated that he does not believe that Israel is bound by the 2007 Annapolis Accords formulated under the auspices of President George Bush since these were never ratified by Israel. The Annapolis Accords contemplated the establishment of a Palestinian state.”
Can anyone explain what are those mythical “Annapolis Accords”? It’s an agreement between whom and whom?
The MUSLIM Totus hates Jews/Whites so is it any surprise that he’ll throw Israel under the bus? Nope. I’m saddened but hardly shocked or surprised.
The self-aggrandizing, destructive policies of Precedent Thug just keep showing up in different locations/countries/priorities.
His announcement (apparently) that “we’re gonna tick Israel off, so get ready” isn’t that far removed from Biden’s warning that “this kid is going to screw up early and often–don’t get too upset when he does”.
The headlines and the locations keep changing, but the core events don’t.
His guiding principles are:
1. It’s all about me.
2. I hate America.
3. Everything that has preceded me was only to prepare for me.
4. I can do what I want.
5. I will, as quickly as possible, destroy everything I can that is distinctly American.
Israel’s leaders have probably already figured all of this out, so when push to comes to shove, they will just bomb Iran back to the 7th century on their own.
Israel is quite accustomed to standing along and have certainly learned over the past several years not to trust the American Congress or the American “will”.
All the Precedent is doing is articulating his weak-kneed, Muslim perspective on Jews. This should not be a surprise to anyone who still has the ability to think plain thoughts.
I continue to find it very distressing that the things that are perfectly obviously are subjects for endless columns of handwringing, faux shock and faux curiosity about “what is REALLY going on here?”.
It is what it has looked like for years, folks, and bambi is exactly what he appears to be.
As far as I’m concerned, Israel will be doing everyone a huge favor, by obliterating Iran.
We all know that there has always been a significant part of the US government who place oil above ethics, and who therefore cannot see or do not care whether the continuous Arab attempts at another Holocaust are successful.
However, other countries in the world do not see Israel as a blank slate versus oil. They know that Israel provides vital technology regarding agriculture, hi-tech, military inventions, combat techniques that they value as much as oil.
Israel is already trying to deepen alliances with other countries based on their valuable technology. The only card that Obama can play to Congress is his popularity–which any politician can see is becoming increasingly tenuous.
If his plans for the Middle East go according to his plans for everything else–they won’t work.
Regarding Iran, Israel already has contingencies, which they’ve been developing since the summer, for dealing with Iran with the US in the role of adversary. Technologically and strategically speaking, who do you trust more, Israel or Obama–without the help of Axelrod?
Of course he is anti Israel – he also hates America. The good news is, he will lose his supporters and much of his financial base – that’s how incredibly stupid this hubris piece of garbage is.
He has dishonored and denigrated America on his recent European vacation with 500 special friends. He now is dishonoring and destroying a long time ally.
OBAMA – A MONUMENT TO INCOMPETENCY AND STUPIDITY!!!!
Have you ever noticed it’s the people who are vehemently opposed to Israel (the magic #17)
can’t manage to spell it correctly? You lost all your credibility 2 words in Quark-off.
There is a whole section of America that sees the world as Obama does. They think that everything he does is holy. An Israeli strike on Iran would be the justification they need to attack the Jews of America. Such an attack would either be met with nothing but lip service from the rest of America or civil war. I can see an end of this country defending this small minority. The price of such a defense would be an Arab oil embargo. In my view, they would sacrifice the Jews on an alter of oil barrels.
i didn’t vote for him, but on inauguration day i said he’s my president and i will support him. now, i loathe him. i can’t even listen to him speak that babblermouth.
he will do nothing for israel or anyone else. let’s see what he does with the somali pirates. i am expecting nothing at all. he’ll probably hand over a couple of million $ and let them go on their merry way. if the hostage gets his head cut off, so be it. that’s the mentality of this guy. and don’t think he’ll call them terrorists, either. maybe pirates will become the new word not to be spoken out loud. shhhhhhhhh.
next, he’ll be wearing moslem garb at the white house halloween party. oh, wait a sec – he’s already done that.
Obama and Biden are bullies who are threatening to shoot down Israeli Air Force fighters and bombers who try to traverse air space we control, directly or indirectly. I think Obama’s overtures to the Turks may have been to get Turkey to deny the Israelis egress.
Israel has no choice but to pre-emptively destroy the Iranian nuclear weapons development sites. Mutually Assured Destruction is not a deterrent to the Mullahs. Netanyahu knows this. Obama is clueless about it. Netanyahu has only one duty: to his nation and to his people. He has not the luxury of placating a couple of bullies who live inside our Beltway and who, in all likelihood, would never be able to make the kinds of decisions the Israeli leader has to make.
So, the Israelis will have to beef up their strike package, in case our men in the air obey orders. I hope our men disobey the President and challenge the Constitutionality of his command in court. Obama had better watch his step here. He has so many ways in which he can lose this fight.
One thing I am sure of. He will be out of office in 2013. This guy is worse than Carter, and we know what happened to Jimmah.
This is the first time in my life I would be rooting for my nation to lose a fight. A sad fact.
If they have to, I hope Israeli fighters shoot down ours. Either way, our pilots disobeying orders or getting bloodied for obeying orders, we are on the verge of civil war. This isn’t just about the survival of Israel or Jews. It’s about morality and a right relationship to God. If we sell the Jews out, we deserve to reap the whirlwind that has always attended any people who have made war upon the people God chose to use for his salvific purposes.
OK let’s look at this realistically.
The Israelis have a state – the state that they wanted by fighting both the occupying Western forces after World War I and the Arabs that were there already. They need to admit that they want to exist in a Jewish controlled zone and that’s that! They don’t want to have Hamas to have a piece of the beachfront on the strip – Hell, who would?
Make the bold move they want – deport them! But the reason that they will not is because no other Arab nation wants them. They are seen as the garbage of the Arab world. Why? I think it is for the same reason that people in the Western World they exploit the conditioned parse:
1) If you are not a Jew, you are involved in the Holocaust somehow.
2) If you question anything about the ultimate fatality numbers or methods of the Holocaust, you are finished in your career. Keep it quiet or join the welfare line.
3) Now you understand US foreign policy, now STFU. Pay your taxes and the line is “they have a right to exist” or something of that nature. You’ll know when you miss the mark, it’ll be reminded to ya.
Israel and America coming to a blow-up, or break-up?
One can always hope!!
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I think that the top priority foreign policy for President Obama is the destruction of Israel. His first telephone call to a foreigner was not to the Prime Minister of Canada or of Mexico, but to the head of the Palestinian Authority Abbas. His first television appearance after becoming President was on an Arab television station. He is smarming up to Muslim countries, even bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia. And now he is warning Democrats in Congress not to oppose his future policies with respect to Israel.
America has nothing to worry about as regards an Arab oil embargo. The “yurps” are a different story. Putin is probably licking his greedy chops over that one.
However, Arab oil does include Iraqi oil and Uncle Sam may have a little say-so as to where that can go. Nigerian to Mexican oil deposits can also play a role.
The 1973 oil embargo was as effective as it was because of Nixon’s wage and price controls. Without those, it would have been an annoyance.
The Saudis know that, so do the Emirates, etc.
The “oil weapon” is a wet firecracker.
Christian Zionists are gonna win!
Tommy:
“her unwillingness to follow Germany’s moral courage: they condemned and distanced themselves from the Nazi ideology.”
Yeah, after we bombed them back into the Stone Age. Thanks for proving once again that antisemites are nitwits, misfits and born losers. You too, Larry. “If you question anything about the Holocaust you are finished in your career” You should be if you deny the overwhelmingly proven historical fact that Nazi Germany conceived and implemented a plan to murder all the Jews of Europe and carried it out to the extent of killing about half of them.
Obonga is a bully, I tell ya. Going to Congress and threatening Democrats who oppose him on his foreign and domestic policies.
This foolish nation has elected Gaius Germanicus, a.k.a. Caligula, and put him in the White House.
Great, let’s bow in obeisance to Islam and just turn over the keys now. Obama is a fool.
WORLD ABUSES NAIEVE OBAMA
Idealist utopian like a lost child.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-no-match-for-committed-enemies.html
I hope Israel blasts Iran back to the stone ages. Maybe der president will be visiting at the same time. Two for one. However, I worry that George Soros with his ill-gotten gains will keep bankrolling the democrats and his favorite Muslim Obama.
Larry, #33.
Spend an afternoon going through the old concentration camp at Dachau.
If you come out without at least a lump in your throat and don’t renounce your denigration of the Holocaust, you are at least as ignorant and stupid as your post seems to show you.
israel has no choice but to go it alone. look at the pile sitting in the president’s chair at our white house eating pizza while the somalis take not just the captain hostage but a dozen or so americans in the gulf of aden. he does nothing. silent as a tomb.
israel doesn’t need him nobody needs him. what we need is to impeach him for his heinous and vile disgusting talk about america, his filthy alliances with the world’s worst crap.
america is drowning in its in own shite. it’s of no use to anyone, not its allies nor its citizens and their representatives. this is a hoodlum and a thug. and a severely narcissistic headcase. no wonder he gets along so well with his moslem dictator pals and the mentally insane midget one in iran.
our president is one challenged dude. this guy is bad news. now, expect that every day the news gets badder.
Insulting Obama is a waste of time as he is duly elected, clever and has some wily advisers. What is now needed is a quiet refusal to take down or withdraw anything – unless the Arab parties talk to Israel as an equal; and any action will be agreed by treaty and ratified first – given the unfortunate Oslo experience.
Ref the foreign aid: most of it is paying off F16′s etc so keeping Americans in work, and anyway it is only 3% of Israeli GDP. Israel could do without, and not suffer much; but again not for shouting.
What matters in military matters is to remind QUIETLY that US supporting Israel has been the price of Israel NOT going publicly nuclear.It prevented a Mid-East N-race; but as Iran has now set that off anyway with the Arab powers! Do the US and Saudi want Israel to put Islamic holy cities in Iran, Iraq & Saudi top of her MAD target list then Gaza, Nablus and South Beirut?
Meanwhile remember De Gaulle let Algeria go because he did not want a 100 Moslem Algerian MP’s (Reps in US) holding the political balance in the French Parliament. This was similar to the British dropping Ireland because first with Parnell in the second Gladstone admin (1880′s)and then with the Irish Sinn Fein abstention from the “khaki election” Commons after 1918 there was no point in having a large swing vote of pure obstructionists in the home government.
The same now applies in Israel. There is no point in having the West Bank & Gaza Arabs within Israel. There is point in penning the “Palestine Arabs” into the smallest possible borders before Israel locks them out – which is what has happened & what they wanted, in reverse, since 1937.
Further Israel should be saying it is up to the Arabs of Gaza, Hebron and Nablus Districts to organise their government as Israel Ireland the US and India did, and talk directly to Israel. If the Sunni Arabic speaking Moslems of Palestine want a Sunni Moslem Arabic Arab ambience they can have it more easily as an autonomy arrangement with Sunni Arabic, Moslem Jordan but they are NOT coming into Israel where there are enough Moslems already.
Jews have a right to self determination too and every US schoolchild pledges… “allegiance to the flag of the US and the Republic for which it stands,” every morning as the Obamas – parents and children know full well.
What about all the Hate in the Talmud directed at Goys?
#45 Sam
Why don’t you go to a synagogue, take a class or three in Talmud and find out what you’re talking about? There isn’t any hate directed at Goys.