And It’s Joe Biden for the … Laugh
Last week, both left and right agreed that the debate was a defeat for President Obama.
This week, the most agreement was that the sparring between Vice President Joe Biden and VP candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), seated at a table in Danville, Ky., was a real debate.
Complete with emotion, interruptions, accusations, stat-dropping, and — in the “Big Bird moment” of this debate — the smiling.
In some rather inappropriate moments — like talking about the deadly attack on the Benghazi consulate or Iran’s nuclear program — the dispassionate, staring-at-the-podium Obama was replaced by incredulous, animated, smirking-his-pearly-whites Biden.
But point for point, smirk for smirk, zinger for zinger — and both men got their share in — there was clear partisan divide on who the winner was, leaving how the middle received the face-off for the pollsters to judge.
“I have to say that Biden did to Ryan what Cheney did to Edwards in style and demeanor and authoritah,” wrote The Daily Beast’s Andrew Sullivan, who ripped Obama’s performance last week.
“My CNN colleagues all seem to think it was a draw. I don’t agree. Biden clearly the winner,” tweeted Piers Morgan, who early in the night chided the veep, “Joe, seriously, STOP SMIRKING. This is serious stuff. Be Vice-Presidential.”
“Biden smiling when nothing is funny,” noted Roger Ebert.
Martha Raddatz of ABC News began the debate with Libya, launching a 90-minute mix of foreign and domestic policy that dipped into the comfort zones of each candidate.
The first debate topic also made news on its own that will surely surface at tomorrow’s White House press briefing.
“What were you first told about the attack? Why — why were people talking about protests?” Raddatz asked in the exchange.
“Because that was exactly what we were told by the intelligence community. The intelligence community told us that. As they learned more facts about exactly what happened, they changed their assessment,” said Biden.
Ryan defended U.S. apologies for Koran burning, but said the administration was “projecting weakness” by talking about the YouTube video.
“Should the U.S. have apologized for Americans burning Korans in Afghanistan? Should the U.S. apologize for U.S. Marines urinating on Taliban corpses?” asked Raddatz.
“Oh, gosh, yes. Urinating on Taliban corpses? What we should not apologize for — what we should not be apologizing for are standing up for our values,” Ryan said. “What we should not be doing is saying to the Egyptian people, while Mubarak is cracking down on them, that he’s a good guy and, in the next week, say he ought to go.”
And the double-digit that didn’t make an appearance in Denver made its debut on the VP stage.
“It shouldn’t be surprising for a guy who says 47 percent of the American people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. My friend recently in a speech in Washington said ’30 percent of the American people are takers,’” Biden said, referencing Ryan.
“These people are my mom and dad — the people I grew up with, my neighbors. They pay more effective tax than Governor Romney pays in his federal income tax. They are elderly people who in fact are living off of Social Security. They are veterans and people fighting in Afghanistan right now who are, quote, ‘not paying any tax.’ I’ve had it up to here with this notion that 47 percent — it’s about time they take some responsibility here.”
In a twist, Ryan was the first one to name-drop Biden’s oft-quoted hometown.
“Joe and I are from similar towns. He’s from Scranton, Pennsylvania. I’m from Janesville, Wisconsin. You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today?” the congressman said.
“I sure do,” Biden responded.
“It’s 10 percent,” Ryan shot back.
“Yeah,” said Biden.
“You know what it was the day you guys came in — 8.5 percent,” the Republican said. “That’s how it’s going all around America.”
“You don’t read the statistics,” retorted the veep. “That’s not how it’s going. It’s going down.”
Considering the House Budget Committee chairman was seated at the debate table, though, the debate was anything but light on statistics. And, yes, zingers.
“With respect to that quote,” Ryan said of the 47 percent video of Mitt Romney, “I think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don’t come out of your mouth the right way.”
“Stop talking about how you care about people. Show me something. Show me a policy. Show me a policy where you take responsibility,” Biden said.
The vice president accused Ryan of speaking against the stimulus while having requested funds.
“I love my friend here. I — I’m not allowed to show letters but go on our website, he sent me two letters saying, ‘By the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of Wisconsin?’ We sent millions of dollars,” Biden said.
“On two occasions we — we — we advocated for constituents who were applying for grants. That’s what we do,” Ryan replied. “…Was it a good idea to spend taxpayer dollars on electric cars in Finland, or on windmills in China?”
On entitlement reform, Ryan referenced “this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors.”
“You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems every vice presidential debate I hear this kind of stuff about panels,” Biden said, though the 2008 debate came before IPAB was proposed.
In arguing about Medicare advantage coverage, Ryan quipped, “Mr. Vice President, I know you’re under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but I think people would be better served if we don’t keep interrupting each other.”
“Well, don’t take all the four minutes then,” Biden said.
The debate got tangled in wonk-ese — and dropped out of the Twitter trending topics, an indication that viewers may have been dropping out — when it came to tax reform.
“Look, if you taxed every person and successful business making over $250,000 at 100 percent, it would only run the government for 98 days. If everybody who paid income taxes last year, including successful small businesses, doubled their income taxes this year, we’d still have a $300 billion deficit. You see? There aren’t enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending,” Ryan said.
“And so the next time you hear them say, ‘Don’t worry about it, we’ll get a few wealthy people to pay their fair share,’ watch out, middle class, the tax bill’s coming to you,” he added.
When advocating a Ronald Reagan-Tip O’Neill framework for forging tax reform, Biden asked if he could “translate.”
“There’s not enough — the reason why the AEI study, the American Enterprise Institute study, the Tax Policy Center study, the reason they all say it’s going — taxes go up on the middle class, the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes is cut the mortgage deduction for middle-class people, cut the health care deduction, middle-class people, take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. That’s why they arrive at it,” Biden said, citing AEI, the think-tank where Ryan originally introduced his Path to Prosperity budget plan.
“He is wrong about that,” Ryan said. “You can — you can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle-class taxpayers.”
“Not mathematically possible,” Biden interrupted.
Ryan countered that the plan had been done “a couple of times” — “Jack Kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. Ronald Reagan…”
“Oh, now you’re Jack Kennedy?” Biden broke in, laughing.
An hour after the debate was over, #ThingsThatMakeBidenLaugh was trending on Twitter.
Biden sobered up for the abortion part of the debate, when each candidate was asked how his Catholic faith affected his policy on the issue.
“I don’t see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. Our faith informs us in everything we do. My faith informs me about how to take care of the vulnerable, of how to make sure that people have a chance in life,” Ryan said, turning to a hit on the HHS contraception mandate. “…Our church should not have to sue our federal government to maintain their religious liberties.”
“My religion defines who I am, and I’ve been a practicing Catholic my whole life. And has particularly informed my social doctrine. The Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who — who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help. With regard to — with regard to abortion, I accept my church’s position on abortion. …Life begins at conception in the church’s judgment. I accept it in my personal life,” Biden said. “But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the — the congressman.”
“With regard to the assault on the Catholic church, let me make it absolutely clear, no religious institution, Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic Social Services, Georgetown Hospital, Mercy Hospital, any hospital, none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact,” Biden claimed.
“Man vs Food a good show, Man vs Boy a gr8 debate – go Joe!” Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) tweeted in support of his old upper chamber colleague. “By the end of this Ryan may vote for Joe.”
But Ryan’s GOP congressional colleagues heartily championed their own.
“There’s no one out there who knows more about pro-growth economic policies than @PaulRyanVP,” tweeted House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).
Responding to a Larry Sabato tweet noting “You have to admit, Biden is on fire,” Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) tweeted, “Burn baby burn.”
In the end, it was the Biden laugh track edging out malarkey — “With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey, because not a single thing he said is accurate,” the veep said of Ryan’s Libya answer — for the undisputed win.
“I actually like Joe Biden even though when he smiles he reminds me of the guy that sold me my worst car,” tweeted comedian Albert Brooks. “Ryan’s going to kill him when they get to bench pressing.”
Was like watching Steve Carell in “The Office”. Yup, that’s the caricature that is Joe Biden.
Having seen the debates all the way from Israel, it was clear that one was a serious American, the other was a serious buffoon.
When one attempts to walk back all their failures, rewriting history in the process, one is a serious buffoon.
Most importantly, the idea that not taking responsibility for anything on your watch is the mark of leadership, is proof positive that one does not believe that individual responsibility matters.
And herein lies the difference. One uses snark as their trademark, the other uses the facts at hand, wherever they land.
This is just ONE of the reasons – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/08/20/americans-hope-to-change-the-occupant-of-the-white-house-an-anti-american-potus-runs-an-un-american-campaign-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/.
Adina,
Was Biden in any way accurate about Bibi?
Jeannine,
The ‘party’ line here (for public consumption and other reasons),is that Jerusalem is in lockstep with Washington, under the leadership of the Islamist-in-Chief.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. A small percent of the public, which is leftist, trusts Washington at this juncture. But a preponderance of the leadership see him as he is – a snake in the grass.
IF Biden-the buffoon-portrays that he and Bibi are in sync, most Israelis know better. The only thing which is true is that Bibi knows Biden for many years, and knows the games being played.
Any self-respecting (not self-loathing) Jew in the United States will vote for Romney. As a conservative Jew, I cannot for the life of me understand how any Jewish person could ever have voted for Obama. Most of my family did, and still defend him.
Great posts. (both of the above) Thanks for the input. I was glad to see this post among all of the meaningless chatter from Obama/Biden groupies. Many who are adamant about defending Obama are either very ignorant/brainwashed, or, they are very aware supporters of Obamas’ plans to break and tear down America so it can be susceptible to being transformed into a (neo)socialist(ic) government aligned with, and under the influence and jurisdiction of the UN and other world (spread the wealth) leaders and, or, global socialism, under the facade of a world EPA agenda. ( for DETAILS…Global Warming Summary–Scientific Evidence Rejects Anthropogenic C02 Theory) The information at this site details a global plan by world economics leaders and the UN to bring every nation, including citizens, under the jurisdiction of a global UN world economics governance organization, through legislation to establish mandates, rules, regulations, etc.,under the facade of a global EPA structure. It was previously known as the Kyoto agreement, and every U.S President, PRIOR to Obama has refused to sign any agreements to surrender ANY AMOUNT of U.S. Sovereignty over to ANY outside entity. OBAMA is the first person holding the office of Americas’ presidency, to actually be willing to compromise Americas’ sovereignty and is in agreement with this legislation. His actions (or non-action) over the time he has been in office begins to make sense when we realize that it very well could be his intent to change America from the sovereign powerful nation that it has always been, to a weakened, broken America, economically, militarily, etc. and instead of encouraging a united America he has been building, encouraging and provoking divisions between race, cultures, class, values, beliefs, etc. (divide & conquer?) plus by legalizing millions of illegal aliens, he is changing the demographics so that true Americans, those truly dedicated and loyal to America, its’ values, constitution, strength, will be out-numbered by those who don’t care about the sacrifices that our men and women have made to secure Americas’ sovereignty. They will accept anything and their lack of loyalty to America will make everything that our men and women have fought for, null and void. This will open a path of less resisitance to his plan to “change” America from the powerful, sovereign nation that it has always been, to a government owned, socialistic welfare state and under the influence and / or rule of the UNs’ economic governance organization. We true Americans, who really love America, must vote with judgement and conscience this round.
I believe Biden was magnificent. He performed with a display common to almost every liberal I have ever encountered. When confronted with facts that rebut your position then go into the laugh, sneer, ad hominem remarks, low-brow mode that is the universal liberal response to any serious question of their ignorance and ideology. My liberal friends, neighbors, and family members do this sort of thing constantly when they have been made to appear foolish…which usually isn’t very difficult. But never push them too hard or they will get really nasty, possibly even physical. Old Joe was only one step away from that on the national stage last night. He did a great job of showing everyone the true face of liberal behavior. “Yes we can!” he seemed to shout. “We liberals can be a bunch of really boorish asses when we are pressed with facts.”. Good job, Joe.
God knows, the US has come closer than any other Christian/European country in producing a classless society, but there are still classes (it’s just that ol’ innate, immutable, inherited Human Nature). Biden and B.J. Clinton are the two most visible politicians of today to demonstrate the White Trash Class. Biden is stupid White Trash and B.J. is clever White Trash, but they are both White Trash down to their chromosomes. White Trash would rather climb a tree to tell a lie that stand on the ground and speak the truth. It’s bred in (and in-bred, quite often). They cannot be trusted with money, women, cars, or livestock. Biden is a frikkin’ bog-trotter and five-boat Irishman. For god’s sake, he plagiarized another politician’s autobiography!!!! Clinton is a peckerwood cracker, but uniquely, a coward of epic proportions, as well as a rapist. Both of these are not characteristic of even the lowest peckerwoods. Again, as is true of every Leftist, you can see that Biden and Clinton are both so pathological that they could not succeed in normal human society (Cinton, in particular, without government office as protection, would’ve been shot 30 years ago). So, Leftism is waiting for them with open arms. Pedophiles, atheists, aliens, criminals, bums, psychos, obnoxious b*tt-holes, come on in and meet your soul-brothers in the socialist movement.
There is a Bible verse for any and every situation under the sun,,,” Proverbs 29:9 states in the Amplified Bible that “If a wise man has an argument with a fool, or foolish person, the Fool only rages or laughs, and there is no rest.” Nor Peace…
….That is all I could see in the FOOL Biden…..
Inappropriate affect is a sign of schizophrenia.
Yes, as they say in the Medical field, “Etiology suspect of Neurological origins.”
I’d been reading about dementia too. Or it was extreme nervousness.
It was a defense mechanism to prevent him from crying.
The poor old gaffmaster knew it would be a long night.
Or booze.
Inappropriate affect can also be the result of the abuse of controlled substances and, in Biden’s case could be due to sociopathic stress eaction.
The Psychopath-in-Chief has surrounded himself with kindred souls. From Alphonsus J. Calhoun, I mean Eric Holder, to the female Mengele, ie, Ms. Sibelius, his appointees almost unanimously are certifiable as antisocial personalities, ie, psychopaths.Drastic surgery is essential on Nov.6. These cancers in human form must be excised from the body politic and consigned to the flames of a political Gehenna.
How ever did Obama’s last great hope so lose his cool
Grinning, grinning and grinning, grinning like such a smirking fool
I kept thinking, “How many teachers could we hire for what Biden spent on those big, porcelain horse teeth..?”
And when he made faces, his eyes looked uneven, bad lifts or bad Botox injections?
Biden’s infamous hairplugs looked like dead grass.
But he’s a working class hero.
Awfully quiet around here…wonder why.
We are still trying to take in all the brilliance of Joe Biden’s Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde performance.
Over at Steve Green’s.
It’s not ‘quiet around here’ ‘joe, we are aghast at what a complete ahole biden turned out to be. expected, yes, but someone said tonight on an interview before the debate, that a week from now people probably won’t remember much about what was said, but they will remember the demeanor of the two parties.
In that respect, biden may have won the battle – the debate, well sort of, but he lost the overall war in who is going to look good in a week.
Biden will be remembered as being creepy, NON vice presidential – and that is good – for us.
Americans being murdered by terrorists in a foreign country is no laughing matter. Will they still be laughing if another terrorist attack happens on our soil?
Vote these idiots out!
With all his grinning and laughing at inappropriate times, Joe Biden has what psychiatrists call “Involuntary Emotional Expression Disorder”.
Feril Cat may I comment here on your good knowledge….”The Amplified Bible….Prov.29:9 “If a wise man has an arguement with a foolish man, The Fool only rages or laughs, and there is no rest, or Peace”…..Joe Biden is the FOOL….
As long as it happens to somebody else, they’ll just smile and call it a “bump in the road”.
Once you understand that The One, Biden, and all their crowd give not a single solitary damn about anything or anybody but themselves, and their dreams of having Absolute Power Forever and using it to hurt people they don’t like, their behavior becomes both very predictable and entirely unsurprising.
Rather like Nixon and his lot.
clear ether
eon
Exactly.
It’s all about the elimination of those they consider “the enemy”.
(Debates are available at: http://www.c-span.org/Debates/)
No matter who we elect, please remember we are together in this nation. This division and hate does not bode well for the federation. That said, I am also frustrated with the media’s failure to truth-test statements before repeating them in media articles. With this in mind, please hear what each candidate says, and look past the media spin to determine what is best for our nation
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What I witnessed with my eyes and ears?
Biden addressed each subject with a definite statement on policies. Our health care should not be made unavailable to the poorest, free education should not be hamstrung, and even though he is a practicing Catholic he respects the right for women to not birth children at vulnerable economic times in life. Abroad? The Iranian sanctions cause its economy to fall apart without a war, the Afghan soldiers take over in the east sector as Americans phase out, and humanitarian aid assists progressive rebels in Syria. A very clear approach to reduce military expenditures as part of our economic belt-tightening.
Ryan remains vague on each question using the Gish Gallop technique of five points that ignore neutral tax expert observations about the five trillion debt, ignores that we are the sole first world nation without full health care for all citizens no matter their status, and maintains that women do not have a right to abort when possible. What he offers abroad is tough talk about needing more troops to paradoxically stop troop deaths, a preemptive attack in Iran without a coalition support, and that the U.S. forces should intervene in Syria, though he agrees under pressure that the humanitarian aid is acceptable via failure to refute the logic.
What is best is able to be determined by each person, and these are my observations and a note-taking summary of the debate, not undeniable truths. In case readers want to personally check and judge, please check it out at the link I provided to form your own perception.
I would like to thank Joe and Martha for showing all America how an intelligent, composed and thoughtful ADULT can behave when ‘debating’ against both a biased moderator and double-digit IQed goofball that would not know how to behave in a manner befitting such an important event. Both Joe and Martha behaved with all the professionalism that could be found in a Junior High debate forum. Probably less.
Joe, I would also like to thank you for setting up such a situation with your performance tonight that will require obama to take more time off the campaign trail to prep for the next two debates than he can probably afford to take. You did him no favors, Joe. He will not only have to take extra time to clean up his own messy performance, but yours as well.
And if obama chooses to not properly prepare, not putting in the required time in favor of campaigning, well, that is OK as well. Win-win for Romney/Ryan either way.
“Time is the school in which we learn. Time is the fire in which we burn.”
You do understand, don’t you, that the 47% think that Old Drunk Joe did just GREAT, don’t you. “He’s a Democrat – and he did a terrific job!”
You do ubnderstand that MILLIONS of voters think Old Drunk Jow is just swell, don’t you?
A Nation is only as good as the people IN that Nation. It’s not The Land – it’s the People. We may have reached the tipping point, in a degenerate, childish, willfully ignorant, comically SELFISH electorate. I don’t know. A LOT of Conservatives I know don’t care for either Obama or Romney. They are voting Third Party – which IS a vote for Obama. And then Civil War looms ahaed of us..
The USA may have reached the Tipping Point.
I agree completely with what you have said. My ‘win/win’ comment was given in context to this debate only.
Your description of our ‘electorate’ is, unfortunately, very accurate. And, I agree with your assessment of our being at a tipping point. I even agree with your comment of a civil war. That may be the payment for the debts we have accumulated. Not only economically, but also from a social perspective.
$100trillion in debt cannot be easily repaid. Certainly not in money only. What we may see is Social Darwinism rear it ugly head wearing a new an very frightening mask. Under obamacare the elderly and infirmed are being written off. Medicaid was raided to pay for obamacare, in part. Rationed health care is a recognized necessity in the obama administration. How far to the next step? When does the government take on the job of enforcing the ‘obligation’ of the elderly and infirmed to ‘die with dignity?’
I predict that the next step with obama care is controlling large segments of society through the threat of withholding medical care. Either conform, that is get in the health care system as set up by government or do without any medical assistance. For those that need medications for diabetes or maybe something as simple as thyroid support will be denied prescriptions/treatments/medicines until they ‘get with the program.’
That civil war will come when people recognize that their freedom is nothing more than an illusion. Civil war will come when the looters have nothing more to take from the producers to give to the moochers to keep them from rioting. Civil war will come when those living off of EBT cards and other public aid are forced to stand in an actual soup line.
I only wish that more would understand that obama is simply practicing that dictum of Lenin: debauch a nations currency and you destroy the country.
Funny thing about tonight’s debate.
It qualifies Joe Biden for admission to the witless protection program.
Good one!
4 more years?
Imagine just for one minute that this Blatant Old Clown will be one heart beat away from being President of The United States.
That of,
and in itself should be enough to scare the shit out of any voter.
Alinsky said that mockery was a political weapon.
Biden tried to employ it without effect.
Here is the exact quote from Saul Alinsky: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
The Alinsky agenda of Obama is scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PCtemaHgjyA
Thanks for the link. The Romney crew is sure quick, don’t ya think?
I’m afraid this sets the tone. Interrupting, being rude, acting like a drunken lout, that’s the kind of behavior that scores points with the media. So that’s what we can look for from Obama in the town hall coming up.
I agree about Raddatz. She is the worst moderator I’ve ever seen.
Martha the Rat was despicable and disgusting. She joined Biden in attempting to stifle the debate , not moderate it. Thankfully, Ryan’s composure thwarted her machinations,
But surely not the worst. Can you say Gwen Ifill?
Biden did the only thing he could do.
If he hadn’t repeatedly interrupted and distracted (82 times in 90 minutes, not counting the moderator) with his juvenile tactics, Ryan would have surgically dissected both him and Obama’s record… just as Romney did in the first debate.
However, if Obama thinks he can “pull a Biden” in the next two debates…
…bring out the fat lady. It’s over.
– for a drive, Joe. Heh heh. race a train to the crossing. Ha ha!
Biden doesn’t believe in imposing his values on others? Then why does he support raising taxes in order to redistribute income? After all, this great believer in social justice is the same man whose tax returns before he became VP averaged $369 a year in charitable contributions.
To carry Biden’s Refusing to Impose His Morals on Other – let’s carry this line of reasoning to a logical (?) conclusion:
“Biden: I refuse to impose my own morals on others. That’s why I allow my fellow citizens to decide for themselves whether to own slaves.”
Biden: I refuse to impose my own morals on others. That’s why I allow my fellow citizens to decide for themselves whether or not they decide they want to engage in sexual relations with children”
He doesn’t believe in pushing his oponion on others unless its the HHS mandate on the Catholic Church to pay for abortions, morning after pills and sterilazation. What a lying bunch of bull s#it he was shoveling.
Joe no veep. Joe, try being rude to Putin. A Russian fist will knock your plate out.
Raddatz was a plant and Biden is a moron … what could possibly go wrong? The sad thing is that they (Raddatz and BiteMe) probably thought they did well … banking the entire time on their perceived ignorance Americans at large. Raddatz exists in a cocoon of ideologues and Biden exists in a cocoon of the political class somewhere up in the clouds.
Whenever someone walks into my domain for a job interview, with an attitude of “Hey, you lucky people: aren’t you glad I’m here!” I know instantly (based upon years of experience) that they are not suitable in positions where relationships with others are pivotal. Hello Obama and Biden.
Biden is an angry individual that needs mental health professionals at his side.
That ” the fix was in ” was obvious from the moment the candidates took their seats. Raddatz’ comment about, ” getting in a little wave to the family “, was clearly directed at Ryan. Biden didn’t wave at anybody. That snarky attitude pervaded the the questions and Raddatz’ cheap shot over burning korans and urination directed at Ryan were completely inappropriate. It was obvious the closest Raddatz had ever come to combat was a shoe sale at Macys.
Those ‘Shoe scrums’ can be rough. Brass knuckles and 8″ switchblades are about the minimum. Although I once saw what looked like the handle of a 5Lb hand sledge sticking out of this woman’s purse. It didn’t have the curve of a hand axe. She was big enough to not need either one.
Like Al Capone said; “A .38 and a smile will get you more then a smile alone.”
After 15 minuets of Biden’s Cheshire cat’s grin, I was wondering if it was real or I was stuck in a cheap remake of Alice in Wonderland.
All it needed was Bowie and Iggy doing ‘The Passenger’ in the background and I would have lost it. I have never done drugs in my life but tonight I think I saw some of the attraction.
Give the people light and they will find their own way.
Biden starred in Dr. Jerkle and Mr. Lied.
No class rat turd floating in an ocean of his own spittle. That’s Joey Dumass Biden. The only human being dumber than him died about 352 years ago, in Retardsylvania.. died when asked a question ‘So what’s it like to be the dumbest human ever in the history of the planet?’. And with that the soon to be dead idiot was heard uttering ‘But but my name issss issnot Joooeee’. and that’s all he wrote.
Just as I see a post election movie career for Biden, I also see one for Obama. Biden will star in a remake of Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde called Dr. Jerkoff and Mr. Lied, and Obama will play the “Mirror, mirror on the wall” obsessed Queen in a remake of Snow White.
Of all the pundits and others adding their two cents to the debate, nobody picked up on Biden’s dumbest remark. After Ryan joked that Biden, especially, should realize what you mean to say doesn’t always come out right, Biden replied. “But I always say what I mean.”
Sorry, Joe, the expression is, “I mean what I say.”
The two expressions have different meanings. Biden is like a radio that’s slightly off the station. A very sad cranky old man.
Exactly. Or, as Lewis Carroll put it;
They aren’t the same, unless you’re Joe Biden. Who probably thinks that black equals white, and could get run over on a zebra crossing as a result. (As per Douglas Adams.)
But what really matters about Joe and The One’s mindset is this;
(Thanks to Lenny’s Alice in Wonderland Site);
http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net
clear ether
eon
Biden said it correctly. He says what he means. Which gives us an insight into the thought process of this loudmouth, egotistical punk.
If you don’t care about the future of our country, and you don’t care about our children and grandchildren, and you only care about what you can get from the government, here and now – you still need to ask yourself, “Can I trust this guy?”
You wouldn’t let him drive your car or lend him twenty bucks. So why would you let him have any possible influence on your life, happiness or security?
After watching Obama in the first debate,
Smoking Joe hair plugs in the second,
Mister Romney could step out on the third debate stage wearing a Kilt,
play ‘Amazing Grace’ on the bagpipes,
shave his legs with an electric razor,
and I would still vote for him.
Myself, I’d be interested to see which clan tartan he was wearing.
Besides, “Amazing Grace” was originally written for the pipes, so at least he’d be doing it right.
cheers
eon
LOL that’s a good one, I’ll probably steal it.
Good looking guys in kilts are HOT.
For liberals the definition of victory in this debate was not having Paul Ryan give this aging buffoon the true “bitch slapping” that he richly deserved. That is what I would love to have seen. As it was this snarky, sarcastic,, moron, SOB, was pathetic when he was not totally outrageous but to liberals this is being a man. You would think this guy would know better but the contrasts once again are stark both in the policies of the two tickets and also in the character of the candidates. What we saw on display last night was a hopeless, aging, liberal who’s ideas are old, wasted, out of touch, and plain pitiful. Anybody who wants to see this buffoon again is an idiot. I am fed up with Obama and Biden and don’t want another person to die for these fools. Get the hell out of my face.
When Joe administered one to himself with his knockoff Pee Wee Herman routine, it was hardly necessary.
First rule of standup; If you’re the only one laughing at your jokes, you need new material. There are fewer “tough rooms” than there are bad comics.
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“Because that was exactly what we were told by the intelligence community. The intelligence community told us that. As they learned more facts about exactly what happened, they changed their assessment,” said Biden.
So, the attackers in Benghazi didn’t really have WMDs, Mr. VP?
Personally, I dun buy it. The narrative, here, doesn’t stand up to blaming it on the spooks. State was warned, well in advance. Biden was just trying to excuse the administration’s abysmal ignorance of the facts. =’[.]‘=
I also love that the same intel community that couldn’t give them good info on Libya can be absolutely trusted on Iran. Either the intel community is good or its not. You can’t really have it both ways. But, if you’re Joe, you apparently can.
I think I’m out of the box on this but to me it looked like the “Intelligence Community” just threw the White House, Obama, Biden, AND Clown posse under the bus. Payback are a *itch.
Charlie don’t surf.
Only us political junkies could stand 90 minutes of Biden being the impetuous child in front of the TV saying “look at me! look at me!”. The great middle had to turn off this farce, it was an unbearable event. Joe Biden is a giant bore with a mind filled with bumper sticker statements. Paul Ryan was the only adult present.
Radatz was way out of her league, she allowed Biden to do anything he wanted without restraint. To sum it up this set debates back 150 years. Thank you debate commission for a horrible format and a worse moderator. I live in Danville KY.
So much to say about the debate and so few ways to say it on PJM last night.
After the first five minutes, it appeared that Ol’ Joe was playing to the “occupy” crowd. Rude, offensive, inappropriate…there were no police cars on stage so that saved him from one temptation. Martha RatIt with her “I’ll interrupt Ryan anytime he might be making points” strategy, dressed for a funeral but her hair looked great. I was willing to give her a chance but she lived up to everyone’s concern about her ability to be objective. Paul Ryan came across as serious, thoughtful, and competent.
Biden is a heartbeat away from the top job? Oh good Lord. The chance that we could go from The Apology World Tour to Mr. Angry Giggles is truly frightening, and encouraging to our enemies. Did Biden chug 5 hour energy or Red Bull before going on stage? Whatever it was, it wore off shortly after 10 p.m.
Does it seem strange that a grown man would take a week off in order to prepare to play the part of a lunatic? After the first couple of sneering giggles, I quit watching. ’nuff said.
Exactly! But,… Old Joe’s slow, you know. He makes demagoguing while smirking look like hard work.
That was one long, tedious 90 minutes. Joe’s schtick reminded me of the Irish pols of my childhood. Yes, they were crooks and everybody knew it, but, unlike Joe, they were not perverse, and they knew better than to kill the golden goose, eat the seed corn, or kr@p in their own nest.
Obviously, there was no interest on wooing Indies or Centrists, since Joe’s demeanor is precisely what they find repulsive.
Let’s not forget that the Obamamaniacs selected Biden to give gravitas to the ticket. Is there a safe haven called a buffoonasylum where Joe could rest up?
This debate didn’t matter. Any increased enthusiasm for hard core Dems drummed up by Biden is countered by his demeanor which will turn off independents. No minds were changed.
Looking at the electoral map, this is coming down to the industrial Midwest (IA, WI, OH, and maybe PA and MI). FL and increasingly VA are going R. CO is going R. NV is a tossup, but I’ll give it O due to SEIU turnout. NH will surprise with R as well.
I’d like to see the final OH regstration numbers–that will tell the tale here. If they really are trending R compared to 2008 (as they were last week), I think R takes OH and thus the election, since most voter models predict a 52-48 R win there using the most current registration data. Best case scenario for O and the Dems is to make it so close we have a 2000 Florida situation.
However, there is one more scenario.
Biden showed to everyone last night by comparison how poor an extemporaneous speaker O is. He does not have the stones Biden has, nor does he like it. He can’t take criticism and combat face to face–never in his political career (limited as it is) has he had to defend himself standing toe to toe with the other guy. He’s just not made for it.
Therefore, I think that the Tuesday debate will be a wash or a net negative for O. If he really stumbles, the election is over. Romney has been doing town halls for 18 months. O has been doing Letterman and the View. I think the odds are better than even that O stumbles.
That leaves the last debate (which O may cancel–watch out for a “crisis” that O has to manage). Libya is only going to get worse, and O will be on the defensive all night. A tie at best, further pounding at worst.
This will be followed by two weeks of wall to wall ads as team R spends down the $250-300 million they have left.
Turnout efforts this cycle will be a wash, with more R enthusiasm. Expect a D+1 to R+1 electorate.
This is looking like 300-235, 51-49.
Don’t forget also that Obama has been busy convincing himself that he didn’t face the “real” Romney. That sets him up for another failure. Obama is the kind of guy to buy his own story.
Additionally, Romney is a natural leader. People want to say that he was rude to take control the way he did, but what he really did was simply take control. He didn’t do it in a rude way; he did it in the same way he would have in a business board room as a powerful alpha male CEO. Romney is used to leading and it came across. Both Lehrer and Obama bowed to it. We’ll see if the next moderator, Crowley, is as accommodating, and we’ll see if Obama manages to man up and make a challenge, but I think Obama is no leader himself, nor does he actually want to be.
It’s almost as if the Romney-Ryan team sat down before the debate and said, “OK, now it’s time to kill the Obama-Biden team’s one remaining asset: likeability.” And they succeeded.
Paul Ryan didn’t even have to prompt Old Smirking Joe to stomp on “likeability“,… from the get go, Plugs was eager to play his snarky part, promoting himself, and rarely mentioning the POTUS, which is what really counted here.
He reminded me of The Godfather and Fredo‘s pitiful lament,…“I am your older brother, Mike, and I was stepped over! … I’m Smart and I want Respect.” The only thing that the shown through more brightly than Joe’s obnoxious rudeness, was his Desperation.
After Joe’s performance, like our burned out Benghazi Consulate, Obama’s Campaign is still smoldering now. (Martha deserves a second belated wedding gift from Barry for proving her suspected bias as a moderator.)
Biden’s debate style is like his bedside manner. Politicus interruptus.
It was a good VP debate, which means it is not very important. It was a draw; not one vote was changed by the event. The bases are decided, the undecided will chose solely on the basis of the Presidential candidate.
I am an old numbers guy so I picked Ryan as the slight winner. His expertise is fiscal policy and it shown. Biden attempts to be a good ol’ boy, which I read as a phoney.
The moderator brought up their personal religious beliefs about abortion, which I thought badly handled. Both are Catholic. Some 42 Catholic, plus other religious and secular institutions are suing Biden’s Administration (which he ignored), on First Amendment rights. Neither mentioned that many non Catholics have strong stands on this conflict.
The primary result of the debate is a stark policy choice which the voters must make on the domestic economy. Foreign policy will not be decisive. Basically it will be decided on who do you trust? I think Washington D.C. is owned by special interests and the bureaucracy, and thus do not trust either party.
I am struck by the talking heads who claim this was a hotly contested debate. In my career, this would be classified as a yawn. An eight hour screaming session, in one unbroken sentence, would have been viewed as a hot one. No broken tables thrown, no threats to take it out in the parking lot, no smashed coffee cups; it was just another Thursday meeting.
Apologies, I screwed up. I posted No. 33
“Last week, both left and right agreed that the debate was a wash for President Obama.”
Bridget, “wash” means “a tie”; I’m sure that’s not what you meant.
“I’ve known Joe Biden a very long time, he’s a very nice man.” — Brit Hume
You’d be hard pressed to find someone with less character than Plugs, but I guess integrity and niceness are unrelated.
Bidens fake smile and fake laff were tells. It was his way of covering a lie.
We witnessed a unique event: Paul Ryan debated a 3 year old.
After his performance last night, how in the world could anyone want that jerk within 100 miles of the White House, let alone a heartbeat away from the presidency?
that is unfair to 3 year olds
paul ryan debated your typical lib hack who has been in washington 25 years too long
So liberals pundits criticize Biden for smirking inappropriately but still say Biden “won.” I’m pretty sure winning involved appearing Presidential, or, in the alternative, serious. Biden looked like neither. This guy is seriously, one heartbeat from the Presidency and democrats think that’s ok.
Joe Biden’s performance was disgraceful. The economic situation in this country and the chaos abroad are no laughing matters — for the innocent people trying to survive in them or the politicians charged with solving the problem. Do we really need a clown one heartbeat from the Oval Office?
The elections are not for the Clown in Chief.
Biden has offended the dignity of the Presidency. Period.
During the last debate the President acted like a corpse. In this debate Biden played a zombie from 28 Days Later. I half expected him to lean over and take a bite out of Ryan’s arm with those scarily white teeth.
Read more of my article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/bfd_bidens_failed_debate.html#ixzz295vnsu00
Risus abundat in ore stultorum.
More like giggles then laughter. I do not know how to say giggles in latin. Not sure Romans were allowed to giggle.
It’s a sure sign of desperation in camp Team Obama that they would risk Biden going out there and putting in a smirker, smiley debate performance. For people famously finicky about optics one would think they would have had Biden do his Joker imitation in simulation first.
Old Joe has forever cemented his reputation as something of a flake—and even being asked to fall on your sword for O doesn’t excuse this kind of behavior. The only question now is: was Biden smiling so much to keep from crying?
Now the GOP should produce a video with a list of all the failures and the scandals of this administration, and show a Biden’s laugh after each one.
16 trillions debt LOL !
Ambassador murdered LOL !
Solyndra LOL !
Gas prices skyrocketing LOL !
Unemployment at 8 % LOL
Fast and Furious LOL !
North Africa in the hands of the islamic terrorist LOL !
My son, when he was about 6 months old, used to smile like Joe when he was filling his diapers.
He had fewer teeth though, but they were his own
Lol! Now I have a case of the giggles. My son does that too. Now all I can picture is Biden in a giant diaper with his toothy grin crapping his pants. Not just a regular crap, but a loud exlosive baby like crap. Thank you. I needed a good laugh.
I fear that, while Ryan won the debate hands down on substance, the Honey Boo Boo voters aren’t really watching and they will respond to the next days sound bites. Biden wasn’t making a play for fact seeking undecided voters. He was producing a mess of sound bites for the imbecile voters. These guys don’t pay any attention to policy differences and wouldn’t understand the differences even if they did. Unfortunately, every four years Honey Boo Boo goes to the polls to vote because he has been trained to think he is supposed to. He gathers up his tidbits of background noise information and attempts to vote for whomever he guesses the winner will be. He wants to brag about his vote and comments like “this is just a bunch of stuff” and “That’s a bunch of mularky” are just the kinds of things he will remember. It is pathetic, for sure, but 5-10% of American voters show up only for Presidential elections and vote, having been armed with this kind of information. Nearly all of these people appear as Independent voters in the polls. Biden may have embarrassed the office of the Vice-Presidency again, but he was right on target for the kind of undecided voters that Obama/Biden believe can drag them across the finish line. Ryan’s performance was long on facts and short on the political reality of America outside of Wisconsin. I have to say the Honey Boo Boo vote shifted in the wrong direction last night. That all said, Ryan may have gotten the voters who try to vote for the candidate with the best manners. ABO2012
Biden is the perfect face of the Democrat party: ridiculing, haughty, arrogant, disinterested in facts, abusive. He was obviously encouraged to behave like this. Exhibit A as to why we need smaller government with less power over our lives.
Slow Joe Biden proved once again that he is full of . . . MALARKEY.
Here’s a poll that counts. The dailymail.co.uk posted 4 of 5 strongly anti-Biden stories today, including a couple that accused him explicitly of lying about Benghazi. The fifth story bizarrely praised the grossly biased moderator for “controlling” the debate. In addition, there is another bizarre story about beer drinking with the lead picture showing the Fraud.
dailymail has a website directed at Americans. It has been moderately pro-obama for most of 2012.
This debate is going to impact women voters. My wife has never commented on Joe Biden before, although she detests the Fraud. Unsolicitied, she said that Biden was the most gross and disrespectful politiian she had ever heard.
Biden is a General in the SMARMY ARMY.
If there is one word that accurately captures this entire administration’s core, it’s SMARMY.
A fuller description would be smarmy, underhanded, deceitful, dissembling.
Jay Carney? Smarmy. Underhanded, deceitful, dissembling.
Susan Rice? Smarmy. Underhanded, deceitful, dissembling.
David Axelrod. Ditto
Sebelius? Ditto
Elizabeth Warren? Ditto
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid? Ditto
Now look at Paul Ryan. Genuine. Decent. Honorable.
John Thune, Kristi Noem, Bobby Jindal, Alan West, Eric Cantor, Marco Rubio, Susanna Martinez, Nikki Haley, Chris Christie. Ditto
Look at who reports our news.
Chris Matthews, Paul Krugman, Lawrence O’Donnell, Fareed Zakaria, Dan Rather, Mary Mapes, Andrew Sullivan, Huffington, Kos. Smarmy, underhanded, deceitful, dissembling.
Compare that to Bret Baer, Steven Hayward, VDH, Charles Krauthammer, Michael Barone, Thomas Sowell, Dana Perino, PJMedia, NRO, Powerline. Genuine, decent, honorable.
The Smarmy Army now has its General. Smirking Joe Jerkweed. He is everything a sniveling toady should be. The next time he bears his teeth, we will recognize it for what it is. A threat posture from the Lawless Presidency.
Great line, cf: “Smarmy Army.”
Am watching every last minute of all four debates for precisely that reason. I need to see and hear it first hand, because the Smarmy Army is bought, paid for and working overtime.
Did the old man get into the pot brownies? Somebody had a case of the inappropriate giggles.
Seriously, though, there is no way Biden’s teeth are his, right?
Yeah, they are his. Bought and paid for. Probably around 30K. NO SSI won’t cover teeth.
Biden’s grin reminded me of a barracuda, but a lot of my friends — most of whom are voting for Romney this year — said Biden won the debate, because Ryan is simply too young to be president. Is this what our grandparents said about Kennedy? How young is too young?
“Congratulations”, Mr. Ryan. You, sir, are a gentleman! The same way Mr. Romney
was with Obama. Joe Biden, has foot and mouth disease; always putting his gigantic
foot in his gigantic big mouth! You, sir, are NOT a gentleman! The way Biden
performed was disgusting and he is mentally impaired! What arrogance!! Same with
Obummer. How in the world was the majority of the voters in 2008 so deceived by the likes of these two inept an corrupt people?! I hope and pray after 4 years of
what they have done to SHAME our beloved country, and destroy our way of life, that
the people that voted them in, have regained their sanity, and VOTE THEM OUT!!
If you do not, you will get 4 more years of the same, and we will not ever recover.
Biden reminded me of Jack Nicholson in The Shining – you know, where he bursts his leering face through the bathroom door while chasing his wife with an axe: “heeeeere’s Johnny!” What a brainless creep. I’ve always presumed the Dims view Biden as a human shield for Obama. I mean — who’s going to bump the guy off if we get stuck with Biden. Even a crazy person wouldn’t be that crazy!
Biden’s behavior was completely inappropriate and rude. He was given 10 minutes longer to speak, and interrupted Ryan to the point of my exasperation! The host ‘appeared’ to be serious, but never asked the VP to be quiet when he interrupted nor did she limit his rants, not to mention that she didn’t let Ryan finish answering his questions. Why must they always left-leaning, Obama fans as hosts?!? I know why.
After seeing Biden I am now thoroughly convinced that the left lives in an alternate universe, are delusional and in denial. We all (48 people) met to watch the debate, and were all gasping at the lies that came from Biden’s mouth, not to mention his disrespectful and rude smirks and laughter!
Joe Biden, the Vice president of the United States.
What a jackass.
For all the talk about his mom and dad, he didn’t represent them very well. He may have found the plastic surgeon and the tooth whitener and the hair plugs, but he lost his manners.
And if one thing came out of last night’s vice presidential debate, it is that Joe Biden has no manners.
He’s a rude, condescending jerk.
The laughing, the interrupting, the sighing.
If a business colleague acted that way, I’d find someplace else to work.
After 36 years in the Senate, two failed presidential campaigns and four years in the vice presidency, this is how he acts. At a stage of life when most people have developed grace and magnanimity, Joe Biden acts like a punk kid who’s all arrogance and hot air.
The question of last night’s debate is: Did that turn America’s stomach?
Martha Raddatz befouled the debate. After her impartiality was questioned, one might have expected that she would have gone to extra lengths to at least create an illusion of neutrality. Instead, her bias was on full and disgusting display.
To facilitate an initial impression and set the tone for what would follow, Raddatz gave Biden the first and last word on the opening question, pitching a foreign policy softball to Biden’s strength (and, on other ocasions, permitting Biden to elbow in last, cheap-shot comments). She pressed for specifics, for precise replies, with questions that were first directed to Ryan–minimizing Ryan’s opportunity to formulate a response, while allowing Biden a cushion of time–then, in most cases, did not even bother to ask Biden the same question.
On more than one occasion, Raddatz cut off Ryan as he was quite clearly launching into the essence of his response to her ambush efforts. She abruptly changed subjects when allowing Ryan a reply would likely have played to his strength. She prefaced questions by asserting liberal spin as if it was fact. And her willingness to join Biden in double-teaming and overtalking Ryan was shameful.
Respected journalist? No wonder Biden couldn’t control his grinning.
I think that the left goes back to Lenin and his ilk with their belief that the ends justify the means. Consvervatives, by their nature, believe in reasoned, free, rational discourse when solving differences and finding the best policy. I’ve noticed that vulgar language and other forms of boorish behavior are almost wholly in the realm of the liberalists/progressevists. Conservatives are more constrained, wishing instead to engage in civil discourse. It’s like two boxers fighting and only one observes the rules of the game–no bare knuckles, no elbows, no hitting below the waist, no rabbit punches and so on. The other intends only to win, so there is nothing that that fighter won’t do to defeat the opponent. And if the referee is on the side of the fighter who does not honor the rules, its to that fighter’s great advantage. The left is intent on having its way and tactics and ethics do not enter into the equation (other than what the people and the media might condemn–these days little that the left does is condemned by the media not by many of the people). So Biden was boorish, silly, rude and not restrained by addressing the issue or by telling the truth. The polite, rational Ryan was a great disadvantage.
When Biden dies, can I have his teeth? They’d provide more light than the fusilli-lamps I have at my bedside right now.
It’s time for a war on the media.. by real Americans. Get rid of these rats before some other Obummer and Joe Doooshbag talk once again about hope and change. The media IS the problem.
Joe, just boycott them.
It’s pitiful to see an old man acting like a preteen. Biden is rude and a jerk.
A BIG DISINFORMATION
Biden citing the Joint Chiefs of Staff as saying the White House strategy was the right one. The Joint Chiefs has never disagreed with the White House. Several times they have discussed resigning en mass but have not done so. Now would be the time, for a number of reasons. The White House doctrine ruled the Joint Chiefs since the reorganization of the Armed Forces in 1948, which severed military control of the military and substituting civilian control. Officers expressing an opinion disagreeing with the White House are civilians in 24 hours. Media does not want to know or remember this.
cfb,#50
You are one great thinker and writer. And the backbone of this website. Your parents should be very proud. rach
I fully Believe that Biden had a week to prep himself on every word that this putrid modiretor spoke…..He knew all the Q and A in advance……Does anyone doube it for a sec….
Prov.29:9 from the Amplified Bible–If a wise man gets into an argument with a foolish man, the FOOL {Biden}, only rages or laughs, and there is no rest, or peace…..