And Franken Makes 60
As a political writer and blogger, I applaud the decision of the Minnesota Supreme Court that effectively made Alan Stuart Franken the junior senator from Minnesota for the next six years.
Of course, it’s not such a good thing for Republicans, considering that the Democrats have added another body to their already huge majority. But Franken in the Senate will pay dividends for both the party and us bloggers far into the future, as long as he remains above ground and has the ability to open his mouth — all the better to stick his foot in it.
Al Franken is a bat guano crazy liberal who has more in common with the wild-eyed radical leftist fringe of the Democratic Party than your run-of-the-mill liberal like John Kerry or Ted Kennedy. But what will make him such a great target will be his rabid, unbridled, hateful partisanship. Al Franken has made it crystal clear in his incarnations as comedy writer, radio host, and author that he loathes Republicans and conservatives. It is a pathological, almost clinical condition that will explode from time to time in bitter denunciation of the opposition, supplying bloggers and commentators with a cornucopia of material.
And lest we forget (actually, it was never publicized), Franken’s psychosis extends to a hatred of Christians — especially Catholics. I can laugh at some jokes at the expense of Christians as long as they are in reasonably good taste and avoid defaming Christ or Christian symbolism. Such restraints have never been a part of Franken’s shtick.
This piece by Katherine Kersten in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune last October should be dusted off and examined — especially by Franken’s new colleagues — now that he is about to have a seat in the “greatest deliberative body in the world:”
Franken finds Christ’s crucifixion to be a barrel of laughs. For example, in his 1999 book, Why Not Me? he wrote about his discovery — as a fictional former president — of “the complete skeleton of Jesus Christ still nailed to the cross” during an archeological dig. At the Franken Presidential Library gift shop, visitors can buy “small pieces of Jesus’ skeleton.”
“We would like to display Jesus’ skeleton at some future point,” Franken went on. “It’s merely a matter of designing and building an exhibition space. … Until then he’s very comfortable in a box down in our basement near the geothermal power station.”
It isn’t that Franken didn’t know his spiel would offend people. The transgression is that he knew full well it was a hurtful thing to write and he did it anyway. Imagine a personality like that in the Senate, a most collegial body and dependent on each member being tolerant to a fault.
His bigotry against Catholics is, if anything, even more nauseating:
In 2006, he and a guest on his Air America radio show joked about Eucharistic communion wafers — sacred to Catholics as the body of Christ — and compared them to chips and guacamole. In “Dog Confessional,” a proposed sketch for Saturday Night Live, Franken depicted “a series of dogs, played by cast members, confessing to a priest,” according to the Washington Post. NBC refused to air it.
In another book, Franken described greeting a New York audience with the words, “Isn’t Cardinal O’Connor an asshole?”
Mr. Moran glosses over the “… nice Minnesotans” who were fed up with republicans. Voting is supposed to be about electing someone who you think will best represent your own interests. The fact that “nice” Minnesotans voted for this clown just makes them a bunch of Bozo’s, nice or not.
“But if we’re not going to hold our elected officials to minimum standards of tolerance and respect for differing religions, races, and ethnic backgrounds, why should we expect the rest of us to behave any better?” This says it all to me. “Oh, to hell with it all!” Why should voters be responsible when politicians can’t be trusted or depended upon? Well, Bozo’s elect clowns and they will be what they deserve … a bunch of BS!
What a bunch of idiots! Idiots in Minnesota, idiots in California, hell, idiots all across the country and now we have Our Fearless Reader in the White House. Anyone who doesn’t think teachers unions and our education system are to blame for “citizens” not being able to think critically about their own interests are also Bozo’s!
As with Obama, just what the hell makes these voters think that Franken has any kind of qualifications to represent a state as a senator besides his emitting copious amounts of hate and CO2 into the environment?
Go Al! Do your own thing! And giv’em hell.
It wasn’t “nice Minnesotans” fed up with the Republicans who elected Diaper Boy.
It was the left from Minneapolis, St. Paul and Rochester.
The remaining 85% (by area)of Minnesota is distinctly Republican and conservative.
WHYAMINOTSURPRISED
#1
Pause and reflect on the fact that these same Minnesota bozos also elected a former wrestler, the inimitable, Jesse Ventura as their governor. Kinda puts it into perspective, doesn’t it ?
77/88
S.M.
P.S – “you just can’t fix stupid’” !
If Franken is going to be such an obvious clown and clutz,how did he manage to get elected?
It is true that Republicans need to change. They have to get a spine; they have to expose the media,not run from then,not feed them victims. They have to vote out and replace with real conservatives those in office who said-they-were-conservatives to get elected.
Q. “If we’re not going to hold our elected officials to minimum standards of tolerance and respect for differing religions, races, and ethnic backgrounds, why should we expect the rest of us to behave any better?”
A. Wombschoolin’ has much to answer for! Please add “inability to ask a straight question” as Item 318(b), everybody.
Happy days.
http://riolimbaugh.blogspot.com/2009/07/hold-our-elected-officials-to-minimum.html
Add Minnesota to the list of permanently corrupt and failing states: Illinois, New Jersey, California, Washington and New York.
“Coleman didn’t deserve to lose . . . ”
Yeah, he did deserve to lose. That’s what happens when the other guy gets more votes. As for Franken’s demeanor, my only fear is that he will throttle back too much. I’d like nothing more than to see the political gasbags in Washington called to account – hung out to dry on the barbs of Franken’s’ stinging wit. I’ve had enough of their thinly veneered Parliamentarianism . . . ‘With all due respect to my esteemed colleague . . . ”
Allow me to use one of the right’s favorite rationales and you tell me if it’s an accurate explanation for the source of your angst. “The only reason you spend so much time hating Sarah Palin is because you’re afraid of Sarah Palin.”
Insert “Al Franken” for “Sarah Palin” . . . What, you’re NOT afraid of Al Franken? You think he’s a fraud and a clown? No, you don’t. You’re afraid, and I know it because I know what you think better than you know what you think.
Go get ‘em, Al. Amen.
WhyamInotsurprised?:
Anyone who doesn’t think teachers unions and our education system are to blame for “citizens” not being able to think critically about their own interests are also Bozo’s!
Bingo!!
Add in the OPM (aka MSM) and you’ve got a coup de grace.
1. WhyamInotsurprised?:
Nice rant. Ditto.
We might start winning a few arguments and alienating fewer people if we were to stop calling everyone we disagree with an idiot. It’s so unhelpful.
Al Franken is a bat guano crazy liberal who has more in common with the wild-eyed radical leftist fringe of the Democratic Party than your run-of-the-mill liberal like John Kerry or Ted Kennedy.
So that means the majority of Minnesota voters are “bat guano crazy liberals” sympathetic to the “wild-eyed radical leftist fringe.”
Do you guys ever scan these articles for believability, or do you just hit “Post” as soon as you have enough words?
Franken kept his mouth shut throughout the entire election as well as throughout the entire recount. Never said anything controversial, stupid, or “clownish” that would have hindered his chances of victory. It would behoove the GOP and FOX News to stop moaning and bitching about the clown in the Senate and come to the realization that they’re dealing with a professional.
Rick, your man John McCain reaches out to these extreme leftists for “bipartisanship” reasons; he has a solid record for doing so. Therefore, hoping for Senator Franken to fulfill himself as an Obama stooge is a forgone conclusion. Will the other senate Democrats be able to provide the breaks for Obama’s radical agenda? John McCain will pretend to be Conservative only because he is up for re-election once more. He needs his votes before he stabs Republicans in the back with Arlen Specter’s knife.
When the Democrats raise Al Franken up as a poster boy for their “ideals”, their imminent demise cannot be far behind. When it’s now being reported that the Dems have spent TENFOLD what previous administrations have on travel expenses, etc, and we have NOTHING to show for the bailout frenzy and now unemployment is at 9.5%?
This is what happens when the unintelligent, unemployed, unread, ill-advised loons are in charge of the candy store. I, for one, welcome Al Franken and all that he entails to the Congress. Call this the NO EXCUSES turning point for the Dems.
Might I request an article from PJM on the recent tongue lashing Gibbs received from the MSM press about the fake town hall meetings? I’d love to hear more about that!
http://www.breitbart.tv/white-house-reporters-grill-gibbs-over-selected-questions-for-obama/
“The hyper-partisan, far-left liberal may help the Republicans more than he assists his own party.”
Good one. And passing health care reform with a public option will help republicans.
And passing cap and trade. Also good for republicans.
And losing another 2-3 Senate seats in 2010, also better for republicans than democrats.
Hilarious. I think Franken will make an excellent Senator. We need more just like him. And after all since it’s better for republicans I guess we can expect full wingnut support for the next Al Franken.
What a travesty of an election. You would think having more votes then voters would be a clue, but not to a Minnesota Judge. Maybe the ability to count isn’t a requirement for Minnesota Judges?
Meanwhile, in Frankie we have the balanced Senator. His avarice is exactly matched by his stupidity.
“The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others”
- Bertrand Russell
Sic semper tyrannis
Those old Stuart Smalley (sic?) skits on SNL were the most tone-deaf unfunny things I’ve ever seen on television… and I watched the few episodes of Chevy Chase’s show before it got cancelled.
jharp…If being a diaper wearing comedian = “excellent Senator” material in your world, please say hello to the white rabbit and the Queen of Hearts for us won’t you?
I guess if a community organizer can’t figure out how to govern, why not allow a diaper-wearing comedian to give it a go?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ahfK709b4uds
Can anyone spell F-A-I-L-U-R-E? Maybe now that Al Franken is a go, Whoopie Goldberg can come in and help Obama with his foreign policy? Could Joy Behar be far behind as a shoe-in for Healthcare Czar? Oh, and then there’s Jeneanne Garafolo who would make a great Immigration Czar right? Oh, those lefts can surely churn out quality can’t they?
You would think having more votes then voters would be a clue, but not to a Minnesota Judge. Maybe the ability to count isn’t a requirement for Minnesota Judges?
That’s right. They don’t even have to have a J.D. Only requirement is to be a bat guano crazy liberal.
I guess if a community organizer can’t figure out how to govern, why not allow a diaper-wearing comedian to give it a go?
Or why not a monkey-nursing buffoon?
http://japetus.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/bedtime_for_bonzo.jpg
In elections the first count is the cleanest
even with Acorn type fraud. In subsequent
recounts the initial loser knows how many votes
he needs plus a margin of safety.
The one time that crap did not work the
Democrats had a fit for 8 years.
Hey, I think I see athinkingfish in that there barrel . . .
15. AThinkingPerson: . . . “When the Democrats raise Al Franken up as a poster boy for their “ideals”, their imminent demise cannot be far behind.”
You’re right, we should have used (Ensign, Sanford, Craig, et al) as a poster boy for our ideals.
19. AThinkingPerson: . . . “If being a diaper wearing comedian = “excellent Senator” material in your world . . . ”
Your choice, a diaper-wearing comedian in a skit, or a diaper-wearing senator in a Bourbon Street whorehouse. When Franken wears a diaper, he does it as a joke. When Vitter wears a diaper, he does it as part of his perverted, adulterous lifestyle. I think you may have stumbled onto the very essence of distinction between the two parties. They both wear diapers, just for very different reasons.
Well done, athinkingfish, you actually made a point. (You can thank me later for enlightening you to that fact.)
First you think, THEN you type . . . SPLASH!
Franken is an obscenity, the perfect cherry on top of the Obama-Jihad. The voters of Minnesota were robbed of their voting rights by “discovered absentee ballots”. Unless they have a fair re-vote then they are welcomed to live in a fascist state, like Iran, which they allowed to be created. The we won, you lost crowd can check their resumes for gestapo jobs.
AThinkingPerson:
“Oh, those lefts can surely churn out quality can’t they?”
Yes we can. That is exactly how we have taken the White House, 15 Senate seats, and 50 House house in 2 1/2 short years.
Thanks for noticing.
Coleman was ahead on the vote count the morning after the election. The fix was in.
too many irrugularities in the election in minnesota to be a fair election. However, it is over. Now, the dems can take full esponsibility for our decline into breadlines, outsourcing of jobs etc…no way out now…The people of Minnesota should be outraged by this injustice!! Not too much outcry there folks..stand up , be counted!!
ALSO!!! the community organizer puppet president can now shoulder his plans and take the blame for his failures. time to cowboy up dems!!!
Yeah, I think they allow people that can’t count to be judges in Minnesota..must be the water..
Unless they have a fair re-vote then they are welcomed to live in a fascist state, like Iran, which they allowed to be created.
I’m going out on a limb and guessing most of you have never been to Minnesota.
sheesh, You are absolutely correct, I am afraid of Al Franken. I am afraid of his bigotry, intolerance, and leftist mindset. He will be a disaster not only for the State of Minnesota but for the entire country. I am afraid Al Franken will live up to all my expectations of him. People on the left are afraid of Palin because she has surpassed all of their expectations showing the hollowness of their worldview. She has proven them wrong, that’s why they hate her and are afraid of her. Al Franken will prove us right, that’s why we hate him and are afraid of him.
I understand he thanked ACORN (The Dems taxpayer funded election fraud unit) for the win. How appropriate.
There goes the neighborhood.
Sheesh: Please tell us something affirmative about Franken. Don’t just retort with cute litte word games. Tell us why he was elected. What is his platform? Did he ever pay the back taxes he owes? How about the SS on his former employees?
Your quick retorts using anything that disparages conservatives that you have on hand (or from some 527 site) are old hat. It tells me you do not have the intellectual capacity or honesty to debate.
The mainstream media does not have enough fingers to put in the holes to keep the leftists like Franken in office for very long. The light is starting to shine through and America is coming back to its senses slowly but surely. The media propaganda machine is running out of gas and the reality of an obscenely divisive, power hungry, heavy handed, reactionary Democratic party is becoming clear for all to see. If the GOP can do a little house cleaning, the American ability to self correct will take care of itself soon enough.
31. davimcg:
I’m not afraid of either of them. But hey, if YOU want to live in fear, be my guest. (I know . . . it’s a Republican thing.
this guy is going to be truly entertaining for the first time in his life,while trying to be taken seriously…oh,the irony.
Yeah, Franken is a joke and a cheat!!
HEY!! WHAT A MINUTE, THAT MAKES HIM FIT QUITE NICELY INTO THE OBAMA ADM!!! go al!!! Now the mantel is fully square on the shoulders of the present adm…
Minnesota voters should be ashamed that they allowed this election!! They counted more votes then there were registered voters.. Minniesota has no values and ethics.. AND obviously a bunch of uneducated people that can’t count.
Yep, old al…the cherry on the top of the downhill slide..you go al.
Please tell us something affirmative about Franken.
He’s an Ivy Leaguer, just like Bush!
Tell us why he was elected.
He got more votes from the bat guano crazy far-left fringe liberal fascists that make up the state of Minnesota than the other guy did.
25. JED: “Unless they have a fair re-vote then they are welcomed to live in a fascist state, like Iran, which they allowed to be created. The we won, you lost crowd can check their resumes for gestapo jobs.”
A re-vote? What a joke. Proof yet again that the right-wing is only in favor of Democracy when they win. When they lose, it’s a sham.
34 blotto . . .
Something affirmative about Franken?
He’s smart, funny, informed, patriotic, passionate, a faithful husband and a good father.
Why was he elected?
Because more voters believed he would do a better job than Norm Coleman representing the interests of Minnesotans.
His platform?
Jobs creation, universal health care, affordable quality education, quality of life for seniors, veterans’ benefits and more.
Did he pay the back taxes he owes?
Star-Tribune: “In April, Franken, under pressure from a Republican blogger who raised questions about his tax filings, said he had paid $70,000 in back taxes and penalties owed in 17 states going back to 2003… Franken said that he had paid federal and state taxes on all of his income but that his accountant had failed to properly distribute the state payments. Instead, Franken said, he overpaid his taxes in New York and Minnesota, where he had lived, while failing to pay in the 17 other states where he earned income. The redistribution of the state income taxes means he and his wife, Franni, should receive a refund on their overpayments in Minnesota and New York, Franken said… Franken said he had originally paid a total of $917,344 in taxes over four years — $4,151 less than he would have paid had the payments been distributed properly.”
How about the SS on his former employees?
It wasn’t SS it was workers comp coverage, and yes, he paid it.
Now, back to my quick retorts . . .
Your turn: Tell me about Mark Sanford . . . What values did he personally hold that he presented to the voters of South Carolina?
“Please tell us something affirmative about Franken. Don’t just retort with cute litte word games. Tell us why he was elected. What is his platform?”
Al Franken on Health Care.
We need to go to universal health care.
A single-payer system would be the most effective in terms of reducing administrative costs, and I would be thrilled to support such a system. But I believe that today’s political environment requires a creative and flexible approach to covering every American. Here’s mine:
* I would require every state to cover every one of its citizens, and the federal government to provide funding to fulfill that requirement. Each individual state would be free to offer a variety of options, as long as they add up to universal coverage, giving us 51 laboratories (if you count DC) to figure out which system works best.
* I would add one constraint: each state must cover every child 18 and under with a single-payer system similar to Medicare.
* And speaking of Medicare, I would fight to make Medicare a true single-payer system. Right now, we overpay insurance companies, who then turn around and cherry-pick only the healthiest seniors to cover. That’s not fair and we should change it.
But universal coverage isn’t enough. We must also address the quality and cost of care. I think we should start with the following measures:
* Medicare should be allowed to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies for lower prices on prescription drugs.
* Simple, secure, electronic medical records would cut down on errors and streamline care.
* We should establish safe staffing levels for nurses – when the people on the front lines of health care tell us that they need reinforcements to maintain their high standards of care, we should listen.
* We should pass Paul Wellstone’s bill ensuring full mental health parity.
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And there you have it. The voters of Minnesota elected a single payer health care system advocate.
Which is exactly what we need.
And to be honest, I don’t really care that much about everything else.
34.”Your quick retorts using anything that disparages conservatives that you have on hand (or from some 527 site) are old hat. It tells me you do not have the intellectual capacity or honesty to debate.”
blotto,it is strictly buisness with that one,you will never get anything of substance from it.
One has to wonder if his penchant for hate, masked as humor, will be extended to the Muslim constituency.Me thinks not.
I suspect that even if he has a book full of material to use against them he will keep his foul trap shut. Why? Because he knows that if you insult a Muslim they will create riot and all manner of mayhem.
Hmm, food for thought….
blotto
“It tells me you(sheesh) do not have the intellectual capacity or honesty to debate.”
For not having the intellectual capacity to debate that was some smackdown Sheesh just put on you in post 37.
Nicely done, Sheesh.
yes, he paid the taxes…finally. the point is, you don’t cheat, overlook or anything else to start with.
we don’t need quick retorts…just reasonable answers. Maybe you think you sound smart and witty, you don’t
Sanford is a dork. Now that is quick and witty just like blotto thinks he is.
Minnesota needs to stand up for what is right. It has nothing to do with Repub or Demo, as i am neither, Thank you God!!, it has to do with honesty and learning to count…
#3…..Franken,a diaper boy? More accurate description for Franken should be red diaper doper baby. I’m willing to bet that both his parents are/were commies.
Stuart Smalley goes to Washington!
38.sheesh.”Jobs creation, universal health care, affordable quality education, quality of life for seniors, ”
you have no idea what you are talking about and neither does franken.
from his home page:
http://www.alfranken.com/content/splash_win
“Working with our fantastic senior Senator, Amy Klobuchar, I’m going to fight hard to put people to work, improve education, make Minnesota the epicenter of a new renewable energy economy, and make quality health care accessible and affordable for all Minnesotans”
creating jobs while simultaneously instituting goverment run healthcare and extending benefits to the no longer productive while pumping even more money into a near failed educational system…..all during a severe global market contraction.why doesn’t he just promise to go back in time and keep my big wheel from getting stolen.
“green energy” is always good for a chuckle too…notice how they never say the word ‘affordable’ when discussing it?
I wish I could find the video of Senator Franken when he was on one of the late night talk shows following 9-11 (I’m pretty sure it was Letterman, but it could have been Leno.) Regarding muslim terrorists, he said “I think we should bring back torture. I understand that they, i.e. the terrorists, are willing to die for allah, but are they really willing to have their nuts crushed in a vice for allah? Are the really willing to take a red-hot poker up the a$$ for allah?” He was obviously trying to be funny, but I wonder how this little clip would play during deliberations on Gitmo?
Sheesh: All opinions. Give me his words. Your Tribune quote tells me you had this answer pre-planned to use. Was it from HuffPo or Kos? I find it hard to believe you googled that precise answer in that little space of time… I suppose it is okay that he had those finanacial troubles-actually makes him more electable to you progressives, eh?
I suppose Jharp was quoting but since he did not qualify the statements we do not know. And it was post 41
jharp: Do you really think a single payer health care system will work. Please, since you have the material at your fingertips tell us what other nation using single payer health care, is not in debt, does not have long waiting lines for care, has cancer survivors living as long as ours do and are able to get the same care as we do???
jharp: cite your references to substantiate your claims vis a vis health care… Are you for government control of health care? Does the private industry have any part in health care? What happens when the government controls the prices of prescription drugs and the drug manufacturers say they’ve had it and move elsewhere??? What are the unintended consequences of government control? Or have you not thought(?) that far?
Now that Al Franken, alumnus of SNL & Air America, will don the purple robes of the Senate, will we have to continue to hear Sarah Palin jokes about her IQ and qualifications?
After all , there is only so much a normal person can close their eyes to in order to fault someone else.
And liberals are normal, aren’t they?
Boy the liberals are definitely feeling a bit, dare I say SKITish when it comes to Al Franken, the new Democratic poster boy?
Sheesh: Just an fyi…I do think, then type. Unfortunately can we say you did the same as in…think, then vote? Noppers. And as for your classifying Al Franken, the Democratic poster boy in the same league with our GOP philanderers…nice stretch. Of course we can at least claim our losers started out on a good foot and then went bad. Can you claim the same with diaper boy? Noppers. Might I suggest thinking then posting?
jharp…Again, if you think Al Franken, diaper boy, is the creme de la creme of the Democratic cess pool, so be it. I on the other hand, will judge you on that decision. I’m thinking that you have little educational background and base your decisions after reading People magazine.
Blarty…Yet another cheerleader for Al Franken, diaper boy and new Democratic poster boy. Choosing a moniker like “Blarty Mcwhatever” says enough about you though. If choosing SNL actors is good enough for you, well, nothing I can say that would put you lower than you’ve put yourself. Thanks for saving me the time and effort.
Yes, it’s true, liberals just can’t get enough of Al Franken! LOL!!
Franken didn’t win the election. He garnered more votes via fraudulent vote gathering, but he didn’t win, any more than Gregoire won our election in 2004 (where, mysteriously, “lost” ballots were found here and there, but only in King County, the bluest county in our state). She won by the best one out of three counts. Uh huh. Good thing we don’t call football and basketball games based on that type of “winning.”
He believes in universal single payer health care and you trolls support that? Good God people, so some friggin’ research! Single payer, government funded health care is a FAILURE. It is not sustainable, it is not efficient, it costs lives, and it creates an unnecessary burden of increased taxes on the workers of this country. The ONLY people who benefit from such a system are the illegal aliens and people who just don’t want to get off their lazy asses and work.
And in case you haven’t learned this little fact, socialism is a FAILURE. It does not work. Redistribution of wealth is a fallacy – it’s a lie – it’s a pipe dream cooked up by snotty little elitists who want to keep their own wealth (you’ll never see them cutting their pay in half for other people) but want everyone else to share theirs with each other. It doesn’t “level the playing field” and it doesn’t promote any kind of economic equality other than sub-standard living conditions for everyone under the thumb of the tyrannical leaders.
Here’s something else you geniuses might not know: the government doesn’t have any money. The government doesn’t pay for ANYTHING – ever. Only people have money. Only people pay for government programs. WE pay for everything, our government pays for nothing – they provide nothing. The only way for the state to get money is to reach its hand into your pocket and my pocket and take it out. That’s called robbery by any other standards. It’s coercion and it’s violent.
Here’s another little thing: the larger the government grows, the fewer freedoms we will have. Why? Because big government requires higher taxes to sustain the big government. Another reason is regulation. They simply must have their hands into everything we do – they regulate, they fine, they dictate. You can’t even build a deck on your house without a permit (permission) from your local government. They grow and creep into our lives in areas that we can’t even fathom.
And all of it is unconstitutional. This is not what our ancestors came over here for – just to have another monarchy who controls all aspects of our lives.
There is no health care crisis, there is no global warming, there is no reason for our government to overreach its authority by bailing out anyone. All of these activities are designed to accomplish one thing: create more power within the government, thereby granting more control by the government.
Small government = more liberty
Large government = more tyranny
P.S. Al Franken is an assmonkey and an embarrassment to the people of this country. Who will they elect next? Andrew Dice Clay?
The entire state is a booby hatch, why is anyone surprised that they have elected one of the biggest boobies? Let’s see how he likes having some of the hatred spewed at him that he’s been spewing at conservatives for the last decade or so.
Blotto,
“jharp: Do you really think a single payer health care system will work. Please, since you have the material at your fingertips tell us what other nation using single payer health care, is not in debt, does not have long waiting lines for care, has cancer survivors living as long as ours do and are able to get the same care as we do???”
Yes. I know that a single payer system will work.
Witness France, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Australia, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, Austria, Norway, Greece, Portugal, Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, Columbia, Chile, Finland, Denmark, UK, and Canada.
All of them use some from of a single payer. All of them out rank us in the performance of health care systmes.
We win in one category. We have by far, about double, the most costly system in the world.
And we are the only ones without a single payer. http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_performance_ranks.html
jharp: cite your references to substantiate your claims vis a vis health care… Are you for government control of health care?
No. I’m in favor of a single payer.
“Does the private industry have any part in health care?”
Yes.
“What happens when the government controls the prices of prescription drugs and the drug manufacturers say they’ve had it and move elsewhere???”
The government doesn’t control the costs of drugs.
“What are the unintended consequences of government control? Or have you not thought(?) that far?”
You tell me. What are the unintended consequences of doing nothing?
Moogie – 54 (and your other posts):
Very nicely said!!
For vivo, sheesh, jharp, Mike W. and all you other platitude-spewing Obamatrons, history speaks for itself. The reason the US has been so successful and has done so much to help the rest of the world is because it hasn’t fully adopted the political philosophies of places like Europe. The more we do become socialist/Marxist/statist, the farther down the crapper we go.
The Founding Fathers knew what they were talking about when they wrote the Constitution. They came from an environment like the one we’re speeding towards. They wanted a much better life than the one the 53% voted for. They must be spinning in their graves so fast we can probably use it for an alternative energy source.
Happy 4th, everyone.
AThinkingPerson:
“jharp…Again, if you think Al Franken, diaper boy, is the creme de la creme of the Democratic cess pool, so be it. I on the other hand, will judge you on that decision. I’m thinking that you have little educational background..”
You are right that I think highly of Senator Franken.
You are wrong that I have little educational background. I have a Bachelor of Science degree from a Big Ten university with a major in accounting and a minor in economics. That and I have been in the international trading business for 25 years. 15 of which were after starting my own company.
How about you?
For the single payer deniers.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=766502dd-9970-40e2-bf64-11b05c5577de&p=2
This(single payer) is a not a radical idea. In many areas of American commerce, private and government programs comfortably co-exist. FHA insured loans and non-FHA loans, Social Security and private pensions, public and private universities–all have long thrived side by side. Each side of the divide has strengths and weaknesses, but in every case the public sector is providing something the private sector cannot: A backup that’s there if and when you need it; a benchmark for private providers; and a backstop to make sure costs don’t spin out of control. Just as it is comforting to have Social Security in case your 401(k) evaporates or an FHA loan in case your credit score tanks, a new public plan provides an added level of protection against the vicissitudes of an unaccountable insurance market.
A public plan is about competition as well as choice. Even on a level playing field, the public plan will create discipline for private insurers that regulations alone simply cannot. Regulations require extensive monitoring and vigilance–and, as we know from careful study and long experience, private insurers will try to get around these rules.
jharp…I’ve been in practice longer than you’ve probably been alive apparently. Why am I not surprised?
“If Franken is going to be such an obvious clown and clutz,how did he manage to get elected?”
Because youth are overwhelmingly Democratic, and Democrats vote for Democrats regardless of their qualifications.
You also have to count the massive voter fraud. This was not a ‘clear’ election of Franken, or a ‘clear’ rejection of Republicans. It was shady, back-room political dealing of the type that got Obama his job.
Anybody who thinks highly of Franken needs to get out more. He’s a hack comic (who, hilariously, couldn’t ‘hack’ it – he turned to political writing), a hack political writer (his only contribution is calling more successful people names), a failed DJ who stole money from and helped bankrupt Air America, a failed commentator … but a successful politician.
You folks deserve what you barely voted for.
eeewwwwww….franken is the cherry on the top of the down hill slide of the democratic party and America as we know it. Soon there will be no saluting the flag, singing the national anthem etc..please keep this in mind and remember you laughed and said, that’ll never happen!!!
Some of you seem to be knowledgable about the subject of Franken. However, you will never convince the other side to see your point of view in general. That is until their job is outsourced, groceries go up, we are attacked and BO with his cronies impose martial law, and hand out the burkas. Please laugh , it will get your frustrations out..because at the rate we are going, we will get there soon. Oh yes, it will happen, you can quote me..hahaha
The internet’s anonimity is wonderful because you can say things that you would never say out loud, people would think you’re crazy or in some cases, young and socially untried…”words just words”.
He’s not coming with bombs, just words.
jharp: “Witness France, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Australia, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, Austria, Norway, Greece, Portugal, Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, Columbia, Chile, Finland, Denmark, UK, and Canada.
All of them use some from of a single payer. All of them out rank us in the performance of health care systmes.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbHh86HkBhk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2007-winter/moral-vs-universal-health-care.asp
Al Gore
Al sharpton
Al Frankton
Now there is reason to apologize to the world.
Khiri:
“The Founding Fathers knew what they were talking about when they wrote the Constitution.”
Are you talking about the same founding fathers who provided for slavery and denied women the right to vote?
47. steveg: . . . “Franken,a diaper boy? More accurate description for Franken should be red diaper doper baby.”
That is a direct rip-off of Michael Savage. Pathetic in your case AND in his. Like I told you just a few hours ago, you gotta stop letting other people do your thinking for you.
51 blotto . . . You got your ass handed to you, and it makes you queasy. As you said, “I find it hard to believe you googled that precise answer in that little space of time” Well, some of us know what they hell we’re talking about. Present company excluded.
53 athinkingfish . . . If you thought what I did to blotto was bad, it was nothing compared to the shellacking you got back in that barrel. Diapers indeed. And your response? “Might I suggest thinking then posting?’ YOU might, but I wouldn’t. I’ll give you the same advice steveig gets – Don’t let other people do your thinking for you – in this case, me.
As for MooGoo and San-jaya – You two are so wildly arbitrary it’s like watching an episode of Celebrity Rehab. You’re better suited to standing on a milk crate in the park yelling, “Carpenter ants aren’t real carpenters, only Jesus was a real carpenter!” (Just don’t forget to turn the milk crate upside down first.)
Really, folks, I guess the A-Team is out at a barbecue somewhere and they left you here all alone with the mean old liberal bullies. Don’t worry, they’ll be back soon, and we’ll give them an ass whoopin’ too.
64. seven:
“Al Gore
Al sharpton
Al Frankton
Now there is reason to apologize to the world.”
Frankfurter is the last straw.
fine champ…i’ll bite.show me “wildy arbitrary” point out all the economic experts who agree with you,or al franken.
“Celebrity Rehab”
have no idea what that is…..i do not watch TV,please make a note of it.
“mean old liberal bullies”
apparatchik,you are as far from mean as a person can get.
#65 jharp….I’m sure Franken has the same opinion of our founding fathers as yourself. He is not worthy of being in the Senate. Why we elect blame America leftist to any office is beyond me.
jharp.”Are you talking about the same founding fathers who provided for slavery and denied women the right to vote?”
they did way worse things than that,what’s your point?
All I know about Al Franken is that I have read his book “Lies and the Lying Liars” and it is full of historical errors. Whether they’re honest mistakes or outright lies, I don’t know; but I do know that, on the basis of the book, he doesn’t know (or chooses to ignore) history, and I have no respect for sloppy history.
Sorry, America. We in Minnesota elected another clown to high office. We can’t help ourselves because we worship fame. The Democrat party passed over dozens of capable, honorable, hard-working, experienced, even handed, left-of-center public servants so they could run a celebrity–and we took the bait and elected a celeb who doesn’t know the issues and debated poorly ahead of the election. The other 49 will suffer because of us when other celebrity egos will be encouraged by Franken’s success.
Minnesota got exactly what they deserved for cheating…
If ya can’t make it in the real world..become a politician..
“celebrity rehab” OMG if you watched that
you must lead a desperate lonely life and need intervention…get off that green vinyl couch, out of your mom’s basement and get a life!! No wonder there’s so much anomosity on this site..
“All of them out rank us in the performance of health care systmes.”
BULLSH1T!
http://www.who.int/whosis/indicators/WHS09_IndicatorCompendium_20090701.pdf
There is the data, from a liberal biased source, the UN.
Now prove your absurd claim.
The ONLY data category that the USA isn’t among the 6 best in is firearms deaths, which is skewed by the UN NOT counting people murdered by the state. If one Private citizens shoots another, the UN sees it as a bad thing. If the State police murder a few dozen citizens, it doesn’t count.
That should be a clue, which you desperately need.
I really got a laugh out of France being on that list;
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm
14,802 French citizens died of heat stroke.
“The new estimate comes a day after the French Parliament released a harshly worded report blaming the deaths on a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly.”
Sounds like a wonderful health system, doesn’t it?
I have an idea. If you are so darn crazy about the French ‘health care system’ ( yes, those are sneer quotes) why don’t you move to France? That seems easier to me then moving part of France here.
“Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing.”
Redd Foxx
US comedian (1922 – 1991)
“Preserving health by too severe a rule is a worrisome malady.”
Francois de La Rochefoucauld
French author & moralist (1613 – 1680)
#11. Crumblekid wrote:
“We might start winning a few arguments and alienating fewer people if we were to stop calling everyone we disagree with an idiot. It’s so unhelpful.”
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Well part of the problem there is that so many of the people we disagree with ARE idiots…and they’re calling us racists, homophobes, sexists, hatemongers, etc. In that case don’t you think calling them “idiots” is showing a good bit of restraint?
#71 Old Bob….No one lies or exaggerates like a liberal leftist. Its all part of the Alinsky/Stalinist training.
Stinging wit? Now that gave me a good laugh and I thank you for that Sheesh. Franken’s comedy has always been more about pooring blood on the validictorian than stinging satire.
I hope he lets loose. It’s been a while since a Senator has been tossed out by the Senate for being an ass. Even Harry Reid won’t be able to save Franken’s butt. That is if Harry survivies his reelection which looks very unlikely.
“blotto
“It tells me you(sheesh) do not have the intellectual capacity or honesty to debate.”
For not having the intellectual capacity to debate that was some smackdown Sheesh just put on you in post 37.
Nicely done, Sheesh.”
Don’t you think it’s pretty pitiful to congratulate one of your alt handles? Many of us saw that thread where “jharp” responded to a comment directed at “sheesh”, which revealed the pathetic nature of the typical leftist troll, who so craves ego support that they are willing to make up non-existent net entities to get their fix.
Folks, let’s get off the troll-jousting for a moment. The usual suspects are here demonstrating their usual medical condition, CRIS. Cranial Rectal Inversion Syndrome.
We already have “single payer” medical coverage.
A single entity has to assume all costs and all risk of costs per person. Now the American system rewards innovation and success, so we do NOT have a quality of care problem. We do have a monetary problem. It is excessive due to that “single payer” aspect. Divide the costs and risks between two or more entities and the total costs will decline as the compounding effect inherent in “single payer” is reduced to simple interest rather than the compound variety.
Point the second: Stop throwing money at insurers
and let them recruit their customers and an inflationary aspect will moderate, probably to the point of insignificance, certainly to a large and welcome degreee.
Therefore, two things to do: Since we cannot keep the feds out of this, make them buy something intelligent. They will buy every person a traditional medical policy consisting of 100% coverage with a $75,000 annual deductible. Huh?????? I hear you say.
Do this like the government buys GI life insurance. Carriers bid on the basis of premiums per 100 people covered. Thereafter, whenever any individual reports to the Doctor, his or her carrier is randomly selected and tracking begins.
What does this do? It makes other coverage much
more affordable as those other carriers know in advance what they would have to pay on a worst-case basis. That knowledge removes a huge imponderable from their actuarial calculations
and eliminates the need for a sizeable surcharge in their premiums.
In short, replace the current “single Payer” system with a two-tier or so approach and the cost aspect alleviates without touching the innovation and profit motives that we currently enjoy.
Oh yes? About that inflationary problem. This is what I label “spot inflation”. It is not a generalized currency debasement but rather a cost spiral in a given area resulting from having forced too much money into said area.
In our current case that has been brought about by having employer paid premiums. Employers are forced by law, contract and custom to shell out lump sums quarterly to whomever demands it.
Okay, stop paying those premiums. Instead,
give employees vouchers and tell them to go shopping for coverage. Watch those insurance salesmen line up to try and sell you policies
some 40% to 60% less than what General Motors and
Chrysler are paying.
In early 2008, I researched what I could buy for
myself at age 63 on the open market in Nevada.
A 100% PPO with $5000 deductible was available for $387 a month. An 80% PPO with same deductible went for $187 a month.
My employer-paid 80% PPO was costing the employer
over $350 a month and me over $50. Therefore a $250 a month voucher would have given me adequate coverage plus a major medical rider.
AND I would not have had to resort to COBRA
(over $300 a month to me) when my employment went down to parttime due to a reduction of
employer income.
Now you have my thoughts. Anybody here want to
think all this over and give your analysis of the merits and demerits of these two proposals.
Would appreciate it.
Sheesh, re; your quick retorts. You realize there is a difference between quick on one hand and intelligent as well as meaningful on the other. Don’t you?
It is tiresome and pathetic to cite the moral failures of individual members of a party as a assumed defense of your own party. One reason why,quick retorts and not very bright self-congratulation aside, is because it diminishes or ignores major policy differences. Another reason is that it presumes you don’t have, or will ignore, the individual and personal moral failures of members in your own party.
Put briefly, it is both childish, stupid, and immoral in itself.
Your simple minded litany of the standard crap that Franken stood for is the repetitive laundry list run on automation by Democrats continually. Example, “create jobs” ? Do you not feel just a little idiotic there, just a little? Do I have to come back on another post and prove you capable of being embarrassed? Sheesh, you quick retorter you, was not unemployment supposed to cap out at 8% due to the “shovel ready jobs” the laughable stimulus would provide? What’s unemployment at now? Right! And climbing. Try and grasp this you poor thing, in any important, consistent, and economically viable way, government does not, cannot, create jobs, net and permanently. This is apart even from the painful fact the the Stimulus plan is not doing much stimulating.
You might have noticed this were you not indulging your wretched self in a brand of humor unbecoming a twelve year old.
I must stop, but not before reminding you that the well publicized plans of your hero Obama, friend of black racist hustlers, Bomber Bill Ayers, and of late, Honduran socialist thugs also admired by Chavez, holds you in contempt. A contempt he shows every day, me he might hate, but you he holds in contempt.
But then some people like the Orwell boot in their face. Enjoy. I know you will. And remember, there is a moral or immoral factor in collectivized politics. But that you will have to figure out for your self, it shouldn’t be hard.
Regarding unqualified judges, I would like to note that there are no constitutional qualifications for being a justice of the SCOTUS. No age requirement, no citizenship requirement, no residency requirement, no educational requirement. A Russian 16 year old can be an Associate Justice of the SCOTUS if the US President and Senate will nominate and confirm him.
johnt . . . Your grasp of the issues wouldn’t stand up in an 8th-grade debate class. No position, no insight, no proof, no passion.
Bush destroyed our economy. One quick example for you to consider: Goldman Sachs went to Congress in 2004 (that’s five years ago) and requested that capital requirements be removed, which let them double the leverage they were allowed to keep on their balance sheets. No hearings. No questions. Nothing. Just, “Sure, you bethcha!” That was Bush and his House and Senate. The result? Leveraging worthless assets at 33:1. Disaster. And they KNEW what they were doing. They were in a net negative position, betting against the very assets they were underwriting. Now tell me again what Barney effing Frank did to destroy this economy. You putz.
And now you whine because Obama can’t fix everything in six months. But the economy will turn around, and when it does Republicans are cooked for good. That’s why the right wing media machine is winding up its drones like you, trying to create discord and hysteria as quickly as possible.
Thankfully, the bitter and ignorant part of the conservative base has very little impact on the sway of this great American society. You had your chance You blew it . . . huge. We won. We’ll fix it. And we’ll leave you whimpering in the political wilderness for years to come.
Meanwhile, you just keep on with your opinions of the ‘Honduran thug” whose name you didn’t even know last week. That’s the conservatives’ approach to geopolitics . . . “Listen to Rush. Confirm it with Hannity. Claim it as your own.”
Good luck with that.
77. Michael: . . .”Stinging wit? Now that gave me a good laugh and I thank you for that Sheesh. Franken’s comedy has always been more about pooring blood on the validictorian than stinging satire.”
Here’s what I mean by “stinging”, made that much better because it’s at the expense of one of your right-wing she-male fantasies . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=susZ2ceEHwk
Go get ‘em, Al. Can’t wait.
14. John Samford: I clicked on your first link above and got a dialog box stating the ‘file was damaged.’ I was wondering if you could repost it or point the forum to the website’s (WHO) page where a link to the article appears. Thanks.
jharp, you continue to be quite unimpressive with your drivel; it surprises me not that you are impressed by the likes of election-thief Franken.
Minnesotans in general did not elect this fool.
Liberal Minnesotans who live in the urban areas elected him.
We live in what they like to call “outstate Minnesota” (just to remind us that we are all a lesser class out here). We certainly did not vote for diaper boy. Our county did not go for diaper boy.
We certainly did not vote for the wrestler.
With all the generalizing posted here about how stupid Minnesotans are, I’d like to pop in the fact that our governor, Tim Pawlenty, has done yeoman’s work in standing up against the libs re the budget this spring.
He called them on their bluffs and their crap, went through the budget, line by line (as he had the right to do) and just crossed stuff out, until the totals were what they needed to be.
Now everybody is equally screaming bloody murder (at the county, city and township levels), but I really don’t care. Honesty and common sense is refreshing. It compensates for the high decibels very nicely.
The libs do run the statehouse, but in Pawlenty they came up against an immovable object.
Our county went 55%/43% for McCain (with a margin of over 4,000 votes)
The county to the north of us went 52/45% for McCain.
The county to the east of us went 58%/40% for McCain.
The only two significant areas of the state that are blue are the Twin Cities and the Iron Range (northeast) where the libs/unions rule with an iron fist.
Take a look at the 2008 Presidential results by county…
Meryl…..It would appear the Dems election fraud unit (ACORN) had a big part in putting Franken over the top. Franken made sure to thank them yesterday.
I’m 53 years old, and I do not remember in my lifetime seeing so much corruption in politics. I’m sure the people you live around are more upset about the outcome than the rest of the country.
shaui-jan:
jharp.”Are you talking about the same founding fathers who provided for slavery and denied women the right to vote?”
they did way worse things than that,what’s your point?
Jul 2, 2009 – 1:17 pm
That conservatism sucks. That often we need pretty dramatic changes. Like social security. Like allowing black and white people to marry. Like allowing women to vote. Like a universal health care system. Like abolishing slavery. Like equal rights to gay people.
All things that conservatives either fought against or are fighting against.
Clear?
Norm lost my vote when he voted to not drill ANWR. That was after his vote for the bailout because the Pres. who pushed it was of his party. I was gonna give him that one but he lost me at ANWR. Norm has always been green and it did him no good. Now he can talk about his honorable loss because of his principled position on the environment. Thats nice Norm but no greenie voted for you. BTW both the Libertarian and the Constitution party candidates got thousands of more votes than normal. Norm lost those votes. The Independant Party candidate Barcley got 100k votes, many of those were from those disenchanted with Norm.
If we had the system they have in Georgia, Norm would have won the runoff by at least 8%.
The good news is that the Democrat Farmer Labor party’s reputation for clean politics and ethical behavior has been ruined. They never deserved it to begin with.
The bad news is that Al’s internet campaign was peerless with a content driven micromarketing program that people will be looking at closely.
steveg:
“I’m 53 years old, and I do not remember in my lifetime seeing so much corruption in politics.”
Then you must have been hitting the bong and peyote pretty hard about 1974.
We had a President who resigned over felonious acts about then.
Ship of state USS America.
Nicely balanced. About the same number of politicos on the left and right side. Cerca, 1993.
Then, all of a sudden Bush is out; is not longer “staying the course”.
One black January 20, The ProBama hord boards.
With wife.
One posessing a pea sized brain, and broad enough shoulders that if a chromosome test was ever appropriate, now’s the time. The rugged Michelle. Leftist radical, America hater, dressed in ugly face-frown, eye shade, who’s, though, happy as a clam to be a pork barrel job holder at the U of Chicago, which is “holding the job till you get back while paying you your usual salary as a sign of good faith”.
Chicago’s perfected the no-show job into an art form.
While Michelle probably could use a chromosome test, (dispelling the gay marriage rumors) her brown eyed handsome husband still hasn’t provided an original birth certificate. Which is simply a procedural requirement that, I do declare, this government, Obama included, couldn’t care less about.
Perhaps our founding fathers thought the requirement of natural born citizenship would tend to elect someone who cared about the future of the country as a beacon of freedom and liberty. You thinks so? I do.
After six months with Obama in the nation’s driver’s seat, it’s become obvious to anyone with half a brain (which excludes the Michelle creature, who, incidentally, can bench press 200 pounds while reading “the communist manifesto” to her children from memory,) that this America-despising worst lady is married to the Captain of the USS United States who makes the Captain of the Titanic look like a careful cautious, knowledgable seaman.
Actually, the U.S. has had some wonderful seamen. From J.P. Jones, Matthew Perry, and David Farragut, to George Dewey, Paul Hoffman, and Chester Nimitz. Along with the 600,000 patriots who died for this country in battle, who pretty much to a man believed in the ideals on which this country was founded. Freedom, the Bill of Rights, The constitution. Capitalism. The American Dream.
I can’t put it any other way and still be accurate.
A non-believer in the traditional values of American, Barack Obama thinks the country, like a soiled baby, needed changing.
Barack Obama sees a different sort of country. Much different. In fact, when it comes to the America of the 1770′s, 1880′s 1990′s and early oughts, I’d venture to say it’s safe to say Obama views himself as the “Natural Born Killer” of the nation.
How could he have such alien views? Did he grow up somewhere else? Where was he born? We still don’t know.
As a group of freedom loving people, Barack thinks you’ll all cowards.
In his innane, sanity-challenged way, he’s also spearheading a below the radar attack on Christianity and the ten commandments. While there are born again Christians, so much of what Barack says and does convinces me that he’s a born again Christian hater, especially having been mentored for twenty years by a combination of the Reverand Wright and the domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and Bernidette Dorn, both of whom boast long term connections with and great admiration for Jeremy Wright. A black angel if ever there was one.
Am I concerned? Of course. All these unbalanced Obamadroids are making our ship of state, unbalanced. List left.
All of Obama’s eccentric followers; the “Americans are cowards” crew. The “There’s no tax I can’t avoid paying” gang.
Do they know what they’re doing? Of course they do.
Bankrupting the next ten generations in some sick way for them is some kind of fun”: (let me call them governmental swills. Friends, they’re so left that they’re all seemingly glued to the ship’s massive left railing. There you’ll find the Barney Franks of the world weigh the left side down with his legal liberal directives to make subprime loans to minorities even if they’re on a first name basis with the local repo man, and even if they’re credit rating is lower than Davey Jones locker.
Which, as you know, lit the fuse that blew our monetary system to smithereens, destroyed the banks, even the good ones, killed car buying, and the car companies, sent the employment rate to numbers Herbert Hoover could relate to and set the table for the day when Obama breathlessly tells the American people we can no longer afford the type of world’s number one military to which we’ve become accustomed.
Which is shorthand for this; a person to country missive;
“Israel the music’s stopped and not only aren’t you on one of the hot seats, but you’re left standing. You’ll be the first to see the white flash in the sky that’s the closest thing Mahmound Ahmadinejad, supreme sicko of Iran, can think of to send Israel besides a Hallmark Card, of which he couldn’t find one with the same sentiments or the same amount of attention getting, multi megaton killing power.
Yes, our ship of state is badly; listing left. It’s in real danger of rolling over. Here’s a partial list:
How much longer can this insance, country killing shift continue? Are there no liberals that see the danger we’re facing.
The change Barack Obama isn’t helping us.
It’s sinking us.
We’re too great a country to let a madman sink us. We really are.
What is wrong with Al Franken? What drives this nutcase?
I see one thing that overshadows everything else.
He hates goodness. He hates people who try to be good, who try to be brave, who try to tell the necessary truths instead of pandering.
And since he can’t argue these things away (although he tries) he uses scorn, ridicule, and obscene parody.
Al Franken. Republicans worst nightmare. Or should that be Michelle Bachmann?
Personally, I think Al was too sedate against Coleman. I worry he may have toned down his rhetoric too much for my taste. I earnestly hope he takes on hypocrites like Cornyn, Vitter, Ensign, Graham, McConnell, DeMint, Inhofe, etc. with the same acid tongue and dry wit that made me like him in the first place.
Like Bush, don’t “misunderestimate” him. Unlike Bush, Franken is a cum laude Harvard University graduate and a five-time NYT best selling book author. He is also smart and knowledgeable about the issues that affect voters in Minnesota.
Besides, anyone who can sell a boat load of books with the titles of “Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations” and “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right” gets my vote.
Welcome to the US Senate Mr. Franken. Finally.
Minnesota, nice? moderate? genteel?…No, full of scumbags throwing sacks of concrete from overpasses during a political convention; full of jerks that ran one of the most innovative corporations in U.S. history out of the state by passing a series of business-hostile taxes…Yes, Al Franken truly represents the dregs that elected him, furthermore he’s about as funny as a burst hemorrhoid.
chrisw: Interesting comparison you make between George W. Bush and Al Franken. Let me add
to it, if you please—–or if you don’t please I shall add anyway.
George W. Bush: Honorable, patriotic, courageous
and steady under fire. Also very tolerant of opinions other than his own.
Al Franken: the opposite.
Now them’s my opinions and my opinions are what shall govern my affairs. Yours shall not.
Final answer.
Al Franken did what Al Gore should have done in 2000.
This shows the man knows what he’s doing and what should be done.
This experience may have transformed Al Franken into an emboldened man with a “no prisoners taken” attitude.
Just wait and see.
57. Khiri:
“The more we do become socialist/Marxist/statist(?), the farther down the crapper we go.”
Yes, dear, drop Medicare, health care programs, Social Security, the military (yes, a very socialist institution, think about it), and you will have a nation living in the Fourth World. And when you get unemployed, sick or old, dig into your enormous savings.
What’s pushing this country into socialism are the Republican policies and “love” for their fellow citizens. Think about it, again.
95. Dave the (modest) genius.:
What it really means: “George W. Bush: Honorable (let Cheney run his presidency), patriotic (the outside world doesn’t exist/count), courageous (his military “service”, 11 minutes in school on 9/11, Katrina), and steady under fire (couldn’t think of alternatives). Also very tolerant of opinions other than his own (didn’t read papers or gave press conferences, God talked to him into war).”
History rewriting?
Sheesh, I didn’t expect much from you, certainly not answers. You don’t disappoint.
Nice duck and evade on the “Honduran thug” thing. Nice, but dishonest & you know damn well why.
The “Bush destroyed the economy” is interesting as an insight into your disordered mind. For the full eight years or only part of it; worthless assets? You mean the ones Franklin Raines, Rahm Emanuel, Jamie Gorelick, etc pushed into the economic hopper? You mean under the Community Reinvestment Act {Jimmy Carter}& expanded under Bill Clinton.
Barney Frank? Don’t look now but he wants to expand this mess.
Before I forget Sheesh, do offer a few insights on the question of deficits, you know, one of the burning issues of the Bush years, future generations and all that. As you have already proved both your cowardice and dullness beyond question I won’t hold my breath waiting for an answer. Example of the cowardice; despite your childish comment on my grasp of the issues it is you Einstein who refused a response to my rejoinder on the “create jobs” fantasy. Would you care to try again deep thinker?
Your last paragraphs don’t deserve an answer.
However and for your sake, I do hope that the visiting nurse service that looks in on you, and feeds you your Gerber’s, assists you in realizing that your hero, the guy who holds you in contempt, has 31/2 years left. That’s a long time for his corruption and already failing policies to continue. The nurses may urge some caution, along with the usual medication, in your fond hopes for a federal take over of that which they can’t manage, but only exploit.
Now go back to that bed of nails sheesh and try and get some rest. It’s going to be a rough 31/2 years and teddy bear won’t make it any easier.
And try for some more original name calling, you’re already proficient in ducking and evading.
MOOGIE
#54
Moogie, you have an excellent grasp of the climate we are now forced to suffer. Our resident libs may want to peruse the “works” of Saul Alinsky to see just where all of this Obama BS stems from. The uneducated sheep of this country elected him and the majority of his Congressional cronies. Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer for it.
I fought and bled for this country-now I cry for it and will do anything within my power to help return it to it’s Constitutional roots.
God bless America
77/88
S.M.
Re Vivo: “What’s pushing this country into socialism are the Republican policies…”
Nice try. Try thinking again, if even for a moment. Would do you good to think and not regurgitate liberal talking points (if possible).
Is it too hard to stomach what your vote is doing to the US? Understandable.
Think Vivo. For once.
I hear a lot of apologists for “real” Minnesotans who didn’t vote for this clown. Blame it on liberals in the Twin Cities area, on Acorn, or Norm Coleman being his own worst enemy. Those might be excuses if Franken won in a blowout but the fact that it was soooo close has to make one wonder just what the “majority” of people in that state are thinking. But on the other hand, maybe the rural folks didn’t vote at all and by default allowed the liberals to carry the swing votes?
johnt . . . Blind assertions and vague accusations. You don’t have the knowledge or the skill to refute or offer an argument. If I want to hear Sean Hannity’s talking points, I don’t need to hear it from you. I’ll go straight to the source, Karl Rove.
Believe me, it’s not going to be 3 1/2 years. You’re looking at 15 1/2. I figure by then every conservative will be out hiking the Appalachian Trail. Or maybe you all will have moved to Texas, and we can finally build that border fence.
15 1/2. Jut think, you’ll be almost 25 years old by then.
Sheesh, Hi, how’s it going with the nurses? You’re getting a little shaky around the edges, though still sticking to same game plan, namely talking pure, mindless crap. Seriously you poor thing, do you think that crap cuts it with everybody, that it proves something, that,ha, it gives you substance?
Again, and speaking of quality of argument, you still,despite repeated requests, haven not answered the very specific points I’ve made. You may in your cowardice hide behind such crap as my lack of skill, but then that says even less about you. And for that matter, and even worse, your inability to respond reasonably to a reputed ten yr old,[ real deep thinking there Sheesh}.
Before they put that sleeveless, white jacket back on you let me ask what is it about Obama, the guy who has contempt, deep contempt, for you, that you like. Is it Cap & Trade, should I go into the horrors, is it the tax increases that will touch more than just the hated rich, what about the deficits, huge, that I assume given your silence you approve of, perhaps it’s the closing of Gitmo, but then The O is not closing it is he, ah, it must be the NSA “spying on Americans thing, but no, that’s still in place, maybe you’ve been kneeling down before your little statue of FDR and praying for a revival of the talk on a VAT, that would really bring a smile to your contorted, scarred face wouldn’t it? It must be Obama’s pecs !
BTW, on your mention of Goldman Sachs, which I know nothing about, you may want to investigate the role of the SEC. Regard that as my tossing you a few crumbs from the table.
Sheeesh, you are nothing, you are not even good at the one thing I suspect you live for, if living is what you call it, and that’s insults. Even there you are a loser.
Understand this, from time to time I’ll be looking in on you, on a empty stomach naturally, just to check up on your slop.
Other than that I’m done with you, you didn’t come close to being competition.
103 johnt . . . And so you’ve decided to run and hide. Good decision. And typical of chicken hawk conservatives – all mouth. I answer the questions I choose to answer. I certainly don’t take assignments from addle headed Murdoch toads.
By all means, sit back in the shadows. I’ve pushed more than a few of you into the damp corners of public discourse. It’s probably pretty crowded, but I’m sure they’ll make room for you, provided you have a copy of Runners World soft core porn feature on Sarah Palin. And yes, I advise that you keep watching. You just might learn something. Then again, you can always adopt a new identity to pursue your unrequited lust for revenge against your moral and intellectual superior.
Maybe the damp shadowy corner is better after all.
To whyaminotsurprised: You are pretty close to the mark. A lot of potential Coleman voters
felt alienated by how the GOP had been RINO-ish
in several areas.
Therefore nationwide there was a lot of no vote, spite votes, protest votes, etc. Had it not been for Sarah Palin, all of that would have been even more pronounced. The Minnesota version of that made that election close enough to steal.
In contrast, the other side fronted their efforts with a Mussolinni-with-a-suntan. A person who is capable of projecting an image of extreme likeability and who really wants everybody to love him—-or else. That gave Franken some coattails to hold on to.
Question now is what happense in 2010 and 2012.
Too early to tell. Phenom may continue or whole
facade may crumble with unknown results.
That is why our usual group of trolls are whistling Dixie. They sense they are on less than firm ground. Hence the threatening tones
employed.
And us? Well, we have got plenty of fight left.
Unless they can find some way to forcibly silence us, we shall, at the minimum, endure
in good fashion and give our successors ample opportunity to prevail.
Now will at least certain elements try to forcibly silence us? Does an usurus horriblis move his bowels within the confines of the timbered regions? Bring them on!
That is why our usual group of trolls are whistling Dixie. They sense they are on less than firm ground.
That’s right. If the Repubs can manage to lose a few more senate seats you’ll really have us on the ropes.
100. AThinkingPerson:
“Re Vivo: “What’s pushing this country into socialism are the Republican policies…”
Nice try.”
Made you think. You cannot accept your own realities. People have seen what the Reps are capable of and are rejecting them. The younger generation are voting centrist and left. Right or wrong, that’s a reality.
vivo.” The younger generation are voting centrist and left. Right or wrong, that’s a reality.”
you want reality…wait until they figure out they’re going to work harder,have less money and less personal choices i.e. freedom then the previous generation had(it will not take long),and then see how “left” the younger generation will be.
Despite the playground carping, one central point remains certain, no one, left or right, likes a questionable election.
The Florida recount, the Washington recount, and this Minnesota mess of possible fradulent ballots remain shameful events in American history. Counting and recounting the ballots until your candidate is elected is illegal. America should have the correct history of fair elections and never be comparable to what happened in Iran or Venezuela.
Whatever the penalties for tampering and fraud are, they are not high enough. Playing fast and loose with the ballot boxes should be criminalized to the level of high treason.
The Florida recount, the Washington recount, and this Minnesota mess of possible fradulent ballots remain shameful events in American history.
No, they are events we should be proud of. The disputes were resolved peacefully, by rule of law. As opposed to how Iran settles THEIR disputed elections.
Franken graduated cum laude from Harvard with a degree in political science, which makes him better qualified to be a senator than the Shrub was to be president.
108. Anonymous:
vivo.” The younger generation are voting centrist and left. Right or wrong, that’s a reality.”
“you want reality…wait until they figure out they’re going to work harder,have less money and less personal choices i.e. freedom then the previous generation had(it will not take long),and then see how “left” the younger generation will be.”
Maybe you’re right. Until then, let them find out and start a “revolution”.
I’ll be ready to adapt and live in peace.
I kind of wish you conservatives and Republicans would get your act together and focus on basics. The Bush business aside, I’ve been pretty neutral politically and see the American political system as being basically a single party system made up of two parts, sort of a “Demorepublican Party”. Pure liberalism has its pluses and minus in government, as does pure conservatism, and you really need healthy chunks of each to have a government that can be forward thinking, yet be mindful of not wasting money and overextending budgets. The Republicans I know personally really just wish their party would focus on bread & butter issues like making government run more efficiently and getting taxes under better control, and just trashcan all that distracting and ultimately hypocritical family values nonsense that’s tied in with right wing Christian support. All this internal bickering over Palin has really shown how much you guys really don’t know what your party is suppose to stand for these days. Just hanging around with fingers crossed, hoping that Obama and the Democrats fail so badly that people will feel forced to vote Republican is probably not your best strategy. But I could be wrong — people can be pretty random in how they vote…..
110:
Thousands of votes are thrown out or invented, the fundamental rights of a democracy are abused and then calmed by a court decision and and that is a celebration? Think higher standards.
The right wing in this country should be ashamed. You’ll say anyrhing for money–lying to increase your bottom line. Minnesotans aren’t stupid. The people who are stupid are the Americans who believe the garbage and hate that people like you put out in the world on a daily basis. And by the way bozo, Franken’s wife is a catholic–if anyone is a catholic hater it’s all you evangelical nuts.
Oh miz sounds like you’ve got the nuts cornered in Minnesota, can you count them all??? well, you folks sure can’t count votes…
How do you know “evangelical nuts” are catholic haters? I mean, do you have any facts, except your hate?
I’m glad Al got in. Now all the socialists bull they pass and drag down our country with will be squarely on theri shoulders.
learn to count.