The Dutch…pfft! How utterly weak-minded. Obviously too much weed in the air.

Minneapolis (and several other cities!) isn’t far behind.

Women are being attacked in some neighborhoods for wearing “inappropriate dress” or for associating with non-Moslems.

Many of the cabbies at the airport (mostly Somalis) refuse to pick up anyone carrying pork products, alcohol, anyone who is obviously Jewish, or women in revelaing clothing.

They have already forced the government to provide special prayer washes (foot baths?) for the cabbies at the airport.

That is not to mention that 4 of the 6 Imams involved in the “Imams simulate terrorists on a plane” incident were from Minneapolis.

The other 2 were from Pheonix (which was one of the locations some of the 911 scum used for refuge and planning).

These sorts of problems are everywhere and Canada is much worse than the US.

These fantasies of dangerous Islamic terrorists may make more sense in the Netherlands, but then, I guess you don’t have too much experience with terrorism, unlike Spain with ETA – and notice how when the bombs went off in Madrid, the conservative government was eager to claim it was ETA. Which a few months later, at the Madrid airport, turned out to be true – it was an ETA car bomb. If I recall, ETA is about as Christian as the IRA.

If you wish to talk about terrorism or how societies respond to it, please do. To start talking about a group of Moroccan-Dutch rioters as the beginning of the end of Dutch society seems more than a bit hysterical.

At least you still seem to be aware of how deluded the idea of ‘Eurabia’ is – unless those Islamic women, all 2.5% of them (again being generous) find a way to speed up their births to take less than 9 months.

Pointing out how ugly things have been in Europe, and how ugly they can get again, seems almost a waste of time for an American.

Quite honestly, I would think the death of innocent people would be the central point in discussing terrorism – for example, how 8,000 Islamic men and children were murdered by apparently god-fearing Orthodox Christians, under the eyes of a Dutch military unit that was supposed to protect them. Though that was so last century.

But I guess that isn’t terrorism, since in this case, it was the Muslims that were dying.

Except they weren’t Muslims or Christians, they were just people, some dying, some doing the killing. The categories tend to be added on afterwards, as justification or explanation.

As an aside to trailing wife (an interesting name – do you trail your husband for biblical reasons?) – Germans know all about walling people off, depriving them of contact with the outside through the use of guards with guns, until a final decision is made what to do with them. Though admittedly, the Germans were not following any biblical rules when deciding what land they wanted to take – they just took it, without bothering to fill out any paperwork making it ‘legal.’ As for Sharon – maybe you should read about the Kahan Commission ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahan_Commission ), carried out by the government of Israel to detail ‘facts and factors connected with the atrocity carried out by a unit of the Lebanese Forces against the civilian population in the Shatilla and Sabra camps.’ It concluded, according to the article, ‘Defence Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found to be personally responsible. Sharon’s negligence (that is, complacency not complicity, the Commission maintained) amounted to a non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defense Minister was charged, and it was recommended that Sharon be dismissed as Defence Minister, which he was.’ Where Nazis used the defense that they killed innocent people because they had orders to follow, Sharon had a better defense – he simply didn’t do his job, and the death of refugees – from an Israeli invasion – was just one of those things. You know, break a few eggs, omelette, etc.

It’s awfully sweet of you to have such faith in the ability of the Germans to learn from the actions of their parents and grandparents. But these are the same Germans who, as a society, firmly believe the Palestinians are noble aborigines whose land was stolen by America (or Britain, or somebody!) to recompense the fascistic Zionists for the Holocaust… The fascistic Zionists being completely unlike the pure and innocent German Jews the horrid Nazis murdered in their wicked ignorance of the higher philosophies of non-violence always, and the Brotherhood of Mankind — except for fascists, of course.

I am at the moment editing a translation of a supplementary textbook for high school students published a few months ago by one of the German Laender (states), the thirteenth volume of a series on the history of the Jewish women in that Land during the Nazi era. This particular volume contains my grandmother’s war memoir, about her time in hiding in Amsterdam, with appendices about and/or from some of her and my mother’s protectors there and back in Germany, earlier. So I can speak with some small authority about the attitude and tone, and of course we’ve all seen the articles and cartoons in the German press about Israel, Ariel Sharon, etc.

The consequences of not maintaining Holland’s dikes and pumping stations is apt to be more catastrophic

Years ago, one of the most interestingly distasteful things I saw in Austria (apart from the place of honor for fallen Austrian SS soldiers in a Catholic church’s cemetery) was a book describing how only J√∂rg Haider was strong enough to save Austria from the ‘bad’ Nazis. It was prominently displayed in several bookstores, by the way, in those pre-Amazon days.

You may be quite correct that no modern Dutch citizen would do what some of their parents or grandparents did. After all, rounding up Jews tended to be the sort of work the Nazis let the locals handle – and only in the case of the Danes were the Nazis broadly mistaken.

I am sure that the same government that finds protecting a Somali-Dutch citizen too much of a burden will never commit any acts of moral ambiguity, much less anything actively evil. Like exposing one of its citizens to death due to her freely expressed opinions. (Ironically, when checking the spelling for Hirsi Ali, the Somali-Dutch woman with a Somali-Dutch passport, I found a link saying that various Danish communities had offered her shelter – http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380568544&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull )

And though this may be more than a bit unfair, you still remember the picture of Dutch soldiers toasting with murderers, right? ( http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,425024,00.html ) Please don’t tell me that there is something so special about the Dutch nation that it would never stand and watch a massacre, as ‘literally’ no Dutch person would have believed that such would happen, before it did. ‘Some of the Dutch United Nations soldiers who failed to prevent the massacre of Srebenica in July 1995 gave the Serbs a back-slapping welcome, handed over their uniforms and even actively helped to separate Bosnian men from their families, say relatives of the 8,000 men and boys who were murdered….After all, many people in the Netherlands do not want to reminded of the events in Bosnia….why did the Dutch commander in charge, Colonel Ton Karremans, even drink a toast with mass murderer Ratko Mladic whose Serbian troops were wreaking havoc outside?’

Yes, I know – the facts are from a German media source, but as noted, when you want to find out how horribly wrong scapegoating a minority population for political gains can turn out, Germans are definitely a reliable source. They no longer have the comforting illusion that barbarity can ‘literally’ never happen.

Having such confidence, oddly, is considered to be a weakness by Germans, but then, they have all too much reason to doubt themselves. After all, they were toasting with the Catholic Croatian Ustaša regime back then, not the Orthodox Serbian one ten years ago.

Of course, if the Dutch want to follow an earlier German example, after a few years of calling them ‘Moroccan-Dutch,’ you can start singling them out, making sure that any sham integration is reversed, and start having them wear the appropriate emblems in public – I would assume that a green crescent would be the new shining star in a future where only the Dutch are Dutch, and people who were born and raised in the Netherlands can be treated appropriately to solve any number of social problems.

Moro: I’m afraid that that doesn’t work any longer. There’s literally no Dutch person who listens to that nonsense.

Sure – I’m sure it says exactly that on their Moroccan-Dutch passports. And these Moroccan-Dutch citizens were born in Morocco-Nederland, attended Moroccan-Dutch schools, etc.

I’m also intrigued thinking that Dutch soccer hooligans could have pulled off an equally ‘impressive’ display, but then ‘hooligan-Dutch’ doesn’t sound so threatening – maybe their orange coloring helps people keep a safe distance.

Of course, if the Dutch want to follow an earlier German example, after a few years of calling them ‘Moroccan-Dutch,’ you can start singling them out, making sure that any sham integration is reversed, and start having them wear the appropriate emblems in public – I would assume that a green crescent would be the new shining star in a future where only the Dutch are Dutch, and people who were born and raised in the Netherlands can be treated appropriately to solve any number of social problems.

Ask a German – though don’t be surprised at how they look at you while attempting to seriously discuss how you can tell the ‘real’ Dutch citizens from those who aren’t.

Seems the Dutch govt. is only good for threatening law-abiding citizens.

They didn’t listen to AHA. They should at least listen to the Islamist sage OBL: weak horse vs. strong horse parable.