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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;ll Have Murder With Fries</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14145</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...there&#039;s no definitive answer on whether it&#039;s right or wrong to eat meat or on when a fertilized egg becomes a person.&quot;

There is also no cause to even compare the two.  If you believe killing your child in the womb is ok, you are entitled to think and do so.  If you think killing cows for food is ok, you are entitled to think and do so.

But when you act like moral relativism is no big deal because it&#039;s merely opinion, you fall into the quicksand that much of the left is forced to tred water in.  There is no comparison between killing a baby in the oven and killing a cow.

Your friend Mr Gazzaniga makes a flawed analogy.  Have you ever heard of a tragedy where a pregnant woman dies?  Why do you think they mention that she is pregnant?  It&#039;s because two people died.

I&#039;m not against abortion, as long as people don&#039;t gloss over what they are doing, as you appear to be attempting.  The Home Depot analogy is also flawed.  It&#039;s more like saying, &quot;I&#039;m going to build a house, and all the supplies are on location&quot; and then changing your mind and saying, &quot;Destroy all of those supplies please.  This lot will remain empty.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;there&#8217;s no definitive answer on whether it&#8217;s right or wrong to eat meat or on when a fertilized egg becomes a person.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is also no cause to even compare the two.  If you believe killing your child in the womb is ok, you are entitled to think and do so.  If you think killing cows for food is ok, you are entitled to think and do so.</p>
<p>But when you act like moral relativism is no big deal because it&#8217;s merely opinion, you fall into the quicksand that much of the left is forced to tred water in.  There is no comparison between killing a baby in the oven and killing a cow.</p>
<p>Your friend Mr Gazzaniga makes a flawed analogy.  Have you ever heard of a tragedy where a pregnant woman dies?  Why do you think they mention that she is pregnant?  It&#8217;s because two people died.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against abortion, as long as people don&#8217;t gloss over what they are doing, as you appear to be attempting.  The Home Depot analogy is also flawed.  It&#8217;s more like saying, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to build a house, and all the supplies are on location&#8221; and then changing your mind and saying, &#8220;Destroy all of those supplies please.  This lot will remain empty.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Janos</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14144</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Janos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need a constitutional amendment
to give pregnant women two votes
because they are now two people.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need a constitutional amendment<br />
to give pregnant women two votes<br />
because they are now two people.</p>
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14143</link>
		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gazzaniga&#039;s illustration misses the mark. Home Depot would be the sperm and egg cell. After fertilization all the parts are there that are necessary for future development. Otherwise, the Home Depot illustration could as easily lead to the conclusion that infants are not human. And, as usual, he neglects to specify a better (less absurd?) benchmark than fertilization.

If you deny that a fertilized egg is human, you must explain what those non-human cells are that otherwise appear human, what benchmark they must achieve to become human, and why that particular benchmark was chosen over a dozen equally arbitrary benchmarks.

Youth is a normal human condition. We know all about it. How is it that otherwise rational people deny it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gazzaniga&#8217;s illustration misses the mark. Home Depot would be the sperm and egg cell. After fertilization all the parts are there that are necessary for future development. Otherwise, the Home Depot illustration could as easily lead to the conclusion that infants are not human. And, as usual, he neglects to specify a better (less absurd?) benchmark than fertilization.</p>
<p>If you deny that a fertilized egg is human, you must explain what those non-human cells are that otherwise appear human, what benchmark they must achieve to become human, and why that particular benchmark was chosen over a dozen equally arbitrary benchmarks.</p>
<p>Youth is a normal human condition. We know all about it. How is it that otherwise rational people deny it?</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14142</link>
		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody commenting here (especially Ms. Alkon) needs to watch the 1970&#039;s movie Soylent Green.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody commenting here (especially Ms. Alkon) needs to watch the 1970&#8242;s movie Soylent Green.</p>
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		<title>By: Kafir</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14141</link>
		<dc:creator>Kafir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the pro-choicers want to silence the pro-lifers, they merely have to give up abortion on demand. 80-90% of us object to using abortion as a form of contraception. We could accept abortion in rare cases (rape, incest, mother&#039;s life is at stake, etc.).

With all the forms of contraception available today (as well as &quot;morning after&quot; pills) and years-long waiting lists at adoption agencies, abortion as contraception just doesn&#039;t make sense. Women need to exercise personal responsibility and when pregnancy occurs anyway, there are people who will take that baby.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the pro-choicers want to silence the pro-lifers, they merely have to give up abortion on demand. 80-90% of us object to using abortion as a form of contraception. We could accept abortion in rare cases (rape, incest, mother&#8217;s life is at stake, etc.).</p>
<p>With all the forms of contraception available today (as well as &#8220;morning after&#8221; pills) and years-long waiting lists at adoption agencies, abortion as contraception just doesn&#8217;t make sense. Women need to exercise personal responsibility and when pregnancy occurs anyway, there are people who will take that baby.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14140</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an atheist who lives an evidence- and reason-based life, would you be kind enough to give me the scientific proof for the existence of human rights?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an atheist who lives an evidence- and reason-based life, would you be kind enough to give me the scientific proof for the existence of human rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14139</link>
		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a definitive answer - at conception. Because there is no other benchmark that is not arbitrary, there is no other benchmark that makes more sense.

What is a fertilized egg? The very question screams out the answer. The change before and after fertilization is greater than any other developmental change, from two sex cells that would otherwise soon die to a new life with its own unique genome. Fertilization is the obvious beginning of human life. This is not opinion, this is objective fact.

A fertilized egg is a living, individual human life. There is no reason, other than the convenience of adults, to claim otherwise.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a definitive answer &#8211; at conception. Because there is no other benchmark that is not arbitrary, there is no other benchmark that makes more sense.</p>
<p>What is a fertilized egg? The very question screams out the answer. The change before and after fertilization is greater than any other developmental change, from two sex cells that would otherwise soon die to a new life with its own unique genome. Fertilization is the obvious beginning of human life. This is not opinion, this is objective fact.</p>
<p>A fertilized egg is a living, individual human life. There is no reason, other than the convenience of adults, to claim otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan K Freeberg</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14138</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan K Freeberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice and simple...as packaged and presented. Admirable, in it&#039;s own way.

When you look at other issues, you see it becomes considerably more complicated, and realize there is &lt;a href=&quot;http://mkfreeberg.webloggin.com/maybe-after-shes-out-and-safe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;something slithering beneath the surface that is a leviathan in size and complexity, and somewhat dehumanizing and gross&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice and simple&#8230;as packaged and presented. Admirable, in it&#8217;s own way.</p>
<p>When you look at other issues, you see it becomes considerably more complicated, and realize there is <a href="http://mkfreeberg.webloggin.com/maybe-after-shes-out-and-safe" rel="nofollow">something slithering beneath the surface that is a leviathan in size and complexity, and somewhat dehumanizing and gross</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14137</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To me, a fetus is not a person until it emerges from the womb. &quot;

So, by your logic, it would be O.k. for a woman to abort 1hr before delivery?  Or even 5 mins?  She&#039;s in labor, can&#039;t take it and instead of a c-section she can decide, &quot;Ohh too hell with, just pull it out and cut it&#039;s throat.&quot;?

I doubt you&#039;d think that was O.K. So, let&#039;s assume you decide that it is some place inbetween birth and conception.  When?  To that there is no definitive answer.  So, the only logical place to start &quot;human rights&quot; is when we have unique human DNA.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To me, a fetus is not a person until it emerges from the womb. &#8221;</p>
<p>So, by your logic, it would be O.k. for a woman to abort 1hr before delivery?  Or even 5 mins?  She&#8217;s in labor, can&#8217;t take it and instead of a c-section she can decide, &#8220;Ohh too hell with, just pull it out and cut it&#8217;s throat.&#8221;?</p>
<p>I doubt you&#8217;d think that was O.K. So, let&#8217;s assume you decide that it is some place inbetween birth and conception.  When?  To that there is no definitive answer.  So, the only logical place to start &#8220;human rights&#8221; is when we have unique human DNA.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/alkon_abortion/#comment-14136</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;ve heard everything. &quot;My fetus is like a home depot.&quot;

So giving birth is like, what, remodeling the spare room; adding an addition to my house?

This guy served on a committee for &quot;Bioethics&quot; and he confuses infants with industry.

What a world; what a world!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;ve heard everything. &#8220;My fetus is like a home depot.&#8221;</p>
<p>So giving birth is like, what, remodeling the spare room; adding an addition to my house?</p>
<p>This guy served on a committee for &#8220;Bioethics&#8221; and he confuses infants with industry.</p>
<p>What a world; what a world!</p>
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