AGW: The Greens’ Tet Offensive
On January 31, 1968, the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Army began a series of over 100 surprise attacks across South Vietnam. Although the U.S. and South Vietnamese forces were taken by surprise, most attacks were quickly contained and tremendous casualties were inflicted upon the communist forces. Tet failed militarily and the communist forces suffered losses that should have eventually cost them the war.
However, Tet succeeded in the realm of public opinion and created the impression in the U.S. that the war was unwinnable. President Johnson shuffled military leadership, and the strategy shifted to one resulting in withdrawal and the fall of South Vietnam. This is analogous to the public relations war being waged by the environmental movement.
The ongoing success of the environmental movement is based on the effectiveness of its public relations. As voters and consumers, we must be sufficiently convinced by the urgency of the green message to make changes in our economic choices. But the environmental movement is failing. Worldwide, people want bigger houses, more cars, richer diets, and other trappings of the wealthy Western lifestyle. And the world’s population is increasing, creating greater numbers of aggressive consumers.
Here in the U.S., the desire for bigger and more luxurious houses helped to fuel the real estate bubble which has burst so dramatically. Years of hectoring us about biodiversity, endangered species, old-growth forest, etc., have failed to stop the global population from becoming increasingly consumptive of the world’s resources. The quiet rural farmland in the Midwest where I grew up bicycling and hunting has been plastered over by suburban sprawl. Each former woodlot sports a new air-conditioned home atop a chemically manufactured lawn, an SUV in every driveway.
The environmental movement has had some symbolic successes. We recycle more bottles. Industrial technology is cleaner. There are more wolves and bald eagles in North America now then there were thirty years ago. Fewer bars allow smoking. We seem to care more about environmental issues, and our cars are plastered with all sorts of bumper stickers to that effect. We give our old clothing to Goodwill so we can buy new wardrobes of organic cotton and hemp. But as a species most of us are not interested in pruning our economic choices to consume fewer resources. We want ever expanding lifestyles. As a species, we are gluttonous.
The environmental movement knew that its public relations efforts were failing. But the movement had a new weapon: the theory of anthropogenic global warming (AGW).
Finally they had an urgent message of impending global doom, focusing on carbon dioxide emission, no less — an inescapable consequence of so many primary components of our modern lifestyles. The intense effort to saturate our media consciousness with AGW was the Tet Offensive of the environmental movement — a desperate attempt to take control of the public perception. Submit now, before it is too late!
I wish I could agree with you on this as I do many other things. The problem is the media will continue its onslaught and the left will continue to push its agenda despite this setback. AGW is not dead; like the Phoenix it will be reborn from the ashes to haunt us again.
I feel sorry for environmentalists (you can’t spell environmentalist without ‘mental’) that the AGW fraud that environmentalists pushed has damaged and will continue to damage other environmentalist frauds. That is a terrible, terrible side effect of this whole tragic fraudulent farce. But you could look on the bright side. The AGW fraud has had and will continue to have had a positive effect on Science!
Science (or Science! as Frank J. calls it) and scientists are now held in contempt by the vast majority of knowledgeable humans on this planet. I know that may sound bad but this is a good thing. To be thought contemptible is much better than to be feared, for Science. Now (and then) people will not fear Science so that when some ivory tower academician bleats that some new science toy will create a black hole to consume the earth, no one will care. “There they go again,” we’ll smugly remark to our bosom buddies, “those silly scientists are always wrong.” The real scientists will ignore our contempt and get on with their Science.
And don’t you budding scientists reading this fear that contempt for Science might lead to less funding for it. Every single worthwhile Science project is located in one congressional district or another. Do you really think any congressman will ever allow funds to be cut for anything in his district?
I say Thank God for Science and for AGW fraud to help it along!
“AGW’s Tet Offensive has crowded out discussions…”
So true. The earth’s environment should be a concern to all individuals, yet everyone is being side-tracked with this one item – which has always appeared suspicious in its predictions. Even if AGW were true – one good volcano eruption anywhere in the world could easily change all of the dynamics.
And I agree with Robert. AGW is the new Cold War. Perhaps we need some spies.
The most consequential differentiator between the anti-American “Tet” campaign of yesteryear and the AGW campaign of today is the Internet. The Net has seduced the pseudo-scientists advancing the pro-AGW thesis into using it for their routine communications and the dissemination of their papers and methods. It’s also what’s permitted the rallying of anti-AGW forces, despite the AGW gospel pumped out relentlessly by the Old Media. And of course, the synergy of the former and latter effects made the East Anglia CRU document leak possible, perhaps even inevitable.
But the game is not yet over. At least, the pro-AGW forces haven’t given up. The cards they hold — the seductive prospect of unlimited power over all human enterprise, to be invested in national and supra-national bodies effectively insulated from review or correction — remain potent still. And after all, if “health care reform” bills stridently opposed by two-thirds of the country could marshal enough support to pass both the House and the Senate, why not “cap & trade,” or even something much worse?
They who seek power over others accept no rebuff as final, certainly not from us groundlings, over whom they aspire to reign. They have a wealth of carrots and sticks with which to bribe more ethical officials into cooperation…or flog them into submission. I expect that they’ll use them all.
Before we pat our selves on the back, declare victory and go home it would be best to remember that the eco-loons have yet to concede the battle, much less the war.
The media’s claim that the Tet offensive was an American loss, rather than the success it was, especially the Walter Cronkite statement, was crucial in the Vietnam War outcome.
Today as in the past, the media’s role is essential and effective. ’nuff said.
Not really sure I understand the analogy. You correctly point out that ultimately the Tet Offensive caused the US to pull out of Vietnam. In other words it was a strategic win for the Viet Cong. If AGW is Tet for the Green movement wouldn’t that mean that they ultimately win. Maybe Waterloo or Operation Barbarossa (German invasion of Soviet Union)are better analogies?
I agree. We recycle everything, to the point where I am considering canceling our weekly trash pick-up… we just don’t generate that much trash anymore. We also take Boy Scouts to streams in the summer and clean them up. We avoid pesticides in the garden. We try to conserve electricity. But some people we encounter think we are part of the ‘nuts’ who are pushing the lies of global warming.. just because we care about our environment. Yet it would seem that those who are pushing AGW don’t really care about our environment (evidence: the amount of fuel expended by these people to get to Copenhagen).
Watermelons.
I think we should grind up the Rocky Mountains and use them to pave the whole country. That way I could get anywhere I want in my SUV. Now no one can stop us. SNARF!
One of the fundamental lessons of Tet, is that PR is vitally important. The North Vietnamese lost Test and won the war because they persisted and they got a traitorous press to back them. The American people were used to trusting the news. Now most don’t, thank goodness. In this case let’s note that AGW hasn’t gone away. Copenhagen still went on. The elite class still wants to rule, and will use any means fair or foul to win. We’ve still got a war to fight folks. We know they’re wrong and why, but they haven’t quit. We’ve got to bankrupt a few more news organizations, and un-elect a ton of incumbents. They won’t get it until then, and even after that they’ll attempt to find another way to the same end – which is nothing less than total power over every aspect of our lives.
**Andrew Pollack has worked in the financial services for over 10 years and lives in Portland, OR. When he’s not reading blogs, he enjoys hiking in the Cascade Mountains with his wife and children.**
Andy is the the type of clown that has ruined Oregon. Urban bozos that shut down economic development for the rural folks. Spotted owl for example is declining not because of forest harvests, but by competition from the barred owl. I am selling a ranch and timber property that had been a spotted owl nesting site in the past. I have to deduct $100k from the asking price to account for the potential habitat. If Andy was a good guy he and his fellow travelers would pay me an annual fee for withholding that parcel from harvest equal to the amount of interest I could earn on the profit from the harvest. Note that as a financial type, Andy survives by skimming from other’s labor. Andy, get a life and stay out of mine.
It would be nice to think that eventually (and in the fairly near future) these crusading enviroMarxists would fade into the history books. Unfortunately, there are some real fanatics that have bought into this …religion … I remember when this all started back with Ehrlich s book THE POPULATION BOMB.
This book more than anything else reignited the fires of the sputtering Socialists running around the country trying to convince free Americans that their Freedom was somehow ruining the world. The revelation that their little Utopian paradise in Russia was nothing but a poor murderous hell had done much to kill the movement – after all who wants to go into terror and poverty as a form of Utopia? Environmentalism gave them a new life. Yes, “Utopia” will suck but its better than killing the planet – trust us we are smarter than you so we know what is best.
When it hit the “enlightened” cultural consciousness like a tsunami it spawned a whole barrage of APOCOLYPTIA that went as far as even motivating Nixon to create the EPA in the first place. Hollywood vented out such movies as SOYLENT GREEN, LOGAN’S RUN, SILENT RUNNING, PLANET OF THE APES, and a whole host of other similar doom and gloom episodes both on the big screen and TV that got folks going that the world was coming to an end.
Which didn’t happen. No nuclear war. Things just seemed to keep getting better and better in the Western world. We weren’t starving and a lot of the rest of the planet was even getting better. Wealth was spreading. The Socialist Utopia’s were failing and shown to be nothing but skeleton’s run by gangsters.
Where is a bored Crusader to go? Society still wasn’t fair but most of this was due to the uselessness and laziness of the poor, not the greed of the rich. Hell, even the climate was getting better. The normally terrible winters were getting easier to bear. Wait a minute….
It is getting warmer. Why. OH MY WE MUST BE DOING SOMETHING TO CAUSE THIS AND IT HAS TO BE BAD. CRUSADERS…ARISE!!!
Now the crusade is quickly being shown to be nothing but a bunch of questionable data and heavily massaged graphs – and a whole bunch of folks who got very rich by playing chicken little. However there is still a hard core cadre of believers here – folks who are absolutely convinced that we are ruining the planet and we must be stopped no matter the cost.
The same sort of thing is hitting the Islamic World about the need to join civilization and the resistance to this spawned Al Qaeda and the clowns running Iran. These same EnviroQaeda pose just as much a danger to us as does anything bin Laden has at hand…maybe more. Think ALF and ELF on a large scale, throw in Anarchists and 911 and there is a significant possibility now – with the failure of the great global congress of Copenhagen – for major efforts by these fanatics to take manners into their own hands to reduce the “threat” posed by mankind, ESPECIALLY WESTERN AND AMERICAN PEOPLE’S to the earth.
Andy, go ask a Montana rancher how they feel about environmentalists reintroducing wolves to their area. If you’re wearing any environmentalist pins or sporting some bumper stickers expressing your “green” views I hope your health insurance is good.
Five Reasons NOT to be concerned about OGW:
1. IPCC and the Scientific Community: their financial support is based on the degree of hysteria created by fear mongering through the erroneous and fabricated data they distribute – the alarm bells have sounded and they have been outed
2. China can agree to totally eliminate it’s carbon emission contributions as long as there is no verification process in place – let China continue to be offended that we don’t trust them
3. Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): has amassed a fortune through his worldwide portfolio of business interests with bodies which have been investing billions of dollars in organizations dependent on the IPCC’s policy recommendations – folks, no conflict of interest here
4. Al Gore: just something terribly disingenuous with the only person in the world whose house is so large that it can be seen from the moon preaching to me that I should be riding to work by horse and buggy
5. Cap and Trade is dishonest to its core, having been created by ENRON – the offenders will continue to offend merely by buying carbon credits – the only results will be the enormous amounts of profits to be made by rich corporations, Pachauri, Gore and such- a Kyoto hybrid which has turned out to be a disaster in its own right
“Now, AGW is exposed for the specious theory that it is. ”
AGW is a hypothesis, not a theory. That’s the crux of the matter. A theory is a hypothesis that’s testable and repeatedly verified. AGW is a poorly-constructed and utterly unsubstantiated hypothesis that will never, via repeated confirmation and vetting, become anything resembling a theory.
That’s the entire point of educated opposition to the AGW scam.
South Vietnam fell because the Democrat-controlled Congress stopped sending the arms and ammunition we promised to an ally. Meanwhile, the Soviets and PRC continued to fund North Korea. Tet was a tool used by the NVA to eliminate the Viet Cong, who were never much of an influence after that.
AGW is the current mask of the same wolf-at-the-door that wore that of a little corporal in Berlin, a braggart in Rome, and a brutal paranoic in Moscow in the 1930s and 1940s… It wants your freedom and mine–and it is an enemy that is patient and does not sleep…
EVERY election counts. If we don’t keep our country awake, it will slip in and strangle our children. AGW is one “paw”. The massive “health care” bill in the Congress is another.
Pray that it is not too late to turn our country around.
Andy, I wonder whether the owners of the microbrew you patronize had a say in whether they wanted the business they owned to be “smoke free”. Or was it another government mandate further assaulting the rights of private property owners? Does that microbrew serve any foods that contain trans-fats? Are trans-fats legal in Oregon? Has the pickled egg jar been replaced with a condom bowl? Have they outlawed ladies night there?
By the way, the AGW assault is far from over. I am sure the majority of the politicians in Oregon are true believers as is the current regime in Washington D.C. As long as we continue to vote in these busy bodies (the type that mandates what other people should do on their own property) the AGW offensive will continue.
Realizing that “blitzkrieg,” yet another Nazi reference, might seem tired and hackneyed coming from the mouths of conservatives, a message pow wow was convened at the winter home of Duncemeister Murdoch. “We must continue to “catapult the propaganda” they agreed, evoking the words of their secret Santa, The W. It seems this cadre of conformists, still unable to articulate the downside of earth stewardship or posit a motivation beyond liberals’ vague and unprovable lust for power, feels the need to freshen its lunacy. And so it was decided to return to the halcyon days of Vietnam, “We will use Tet!” And it became so. Blessed be the season.
#2: “….some new science toy will create a black hole to consume the earth, no one will care.”
Actually, Captain Kirk and the enterprise crew DID care. They stopped the Romulans from destroying Earth with that toy, and they’ll do it again! Too bad they could not save Vulcan. It is worth noting that Vulcan had much better scientists than Earth and these scientists did little to stop the Romulan’s toy.
It won’t be long before there is a consensus that AGW was the most elaborate deception ever foisted upon a people. This day is almost here.
What is needed now is to reverse all the rules and regulations that this scam created, all the way up to dismantling the EPA. The issue of pollution should be the domain of the states, and even then carefully restricted to actual cases, not theoretical pseudo-scientific “theories”. All that’s needed is to make sure that refuse is properly lableled and disposed of or recycled, an issue that hardly requires the expense and waste inherent in a Washington bureacracy.
AGW is dead. We should give it a proper burial.
The Tet Offensive failed, but the Viet Cong won! Is your metaphorical point that the long term outcome regarding what you call AGW is that its advocates will win?? … and that the AGW types will win because they have something they can really believe in, unlike the foreign invaders to the issue, the people who know nothing about the relevant, real conditions that prevail, other than what a Google search can provide them???
I am actually educated a little in Global Climate. We studied historical climate as part of a oceanography course. What always struck me was the strange urgency, arrogance and cherrypicking of facts that mark the AGW bandwagon. There was a orphan Marxist smell to the whole thing. The activists were strangely uninterested in solutions that did not bring forward socialistic control.
Now the integrity of science itself has been damaged. And from my perspective rightly so. Too many ‘scientists’ have become political tools. How do you regain trust when you at NASA, CRU, Science Magazine or in the APS have pushed a fraud and suppressed other skeptical scientists?
The mainstream media have beclowned themselves. It will be a long time cleaning up. They have been in-the-tank coolaid drinkers when it comes to the AWG hoax. They actually appear so uneducated that their excuse is that they did not have a clue. Why pay for information from sources that are so ignorant.
And the politicians worldwide that leaped on this bandwagon, from California governors, to Obama and Brown, to the Copenhagen groupies. Corrupt, ignorant and cynically manipulative seem to fit to various degrees.
The people responsible for this debacle should be marked and held to account. Only then, can the way of real science flow clear again.
Added to my ClimateGate roundup (”aftershocks edition”):
http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/climategatecopenhagen-aftershocks-on-festivus/
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AGW is a hypothesis, not a theory. That’s the crux of the matter. A theory is a hypothesis that’s testable and repeatedly verified. AGW is a poorly-constructed and utterly unsubstantiated hypothesis that will never, via repeated confirmation and vetting, become anything resembling a theory. :Unquote
Substitute “darwinian evolution” for AGW. works both ways, both are religions, both have their fanatical adherents. Both have “scientists” that are suppressing and vilifying opposing views.
The scientific “community” is bankrupt.
hubert
Three reasons to be guardedly optimistic that this will not be the civilized world’s Vietnam:
1. Nobody, but nobody, is really going to accept having their ‘carbon footprint’- that is, their effective income and quality of life- reduced to that of the US in 1875. The meager existence of Cold Mountain and Giants in the Earth? Sorry, not going to happen.
2. The Chinese aren’t stupid. They are not going to stunt their own economy, nor allow their biggest debtor, the United States, to cut its economic throat.
3. The people of the West, or at least the saner parts thereof, are not going to hand over hundreds of billions of dollars to the hopelessly corrupt UN as ‘reparations’ to hopelessly corrupt Third World dictators. As a PR exercise, Copenhagen failed utterly as soon as its biggest ‘stars’ became Chavez and Mugabe.
4. Time. At the same time as the dishonesty, shoddy science and profiteering that lie behind the AGW industry continue to be disclosed, Ma Nature with her bitchy sense of humor will continue to drive temperatures down; and responsible scientists increasingly will find the courage to speak out, realizing that the AGW crew can’t destroy every skeptic’s career.
Andy:
You need an update. Download a copy of Lindzen and Choi’s August 09 Geophysical Research Letters paper. You will find the models that predict AGW are flawed in that they model CO2 as trapping outgoing radiation. Lindzen and Choi use satellite data to show CO2 does not trap the outgoing radiation.
If one takes all the AGW sources of Greenhouse gases, say they are all fossil fuels like natural gas, coal, oil, and does simple “back of the envelope” calculations, one can estimate a AGW contribution to the atmosphere. This is not rocket science or something that can be disputed, it’s just physics. The real controversy, is how much of the AGW gases are absorbed into the environment and whether it matters that much. People that outright debunk AGW, must have virtually no science or engineering training.
The True Believers in AGW will win, just as Vietnam won. Perhaps not with the vehicle of Climate, but some new scheme. They need to win only once. If Copenhagen had succeeded and power have been shifted to faceless bureaucrats we would have no way to regain our freedom. Let us enjoy this temporary victory.
@rrbs
The real question boils down to this: Is CO2 a greenhouse gas? Clearly, we have learned over the last few years that at current concentrations it is NOT. Other factors such as the hydro cycle and solar activity dwarf CO2 in climatic importance.
I am a geochemist and I question the mechanisms involved with CO2 being a greenhouse gas. One cannot compare it with high CO2 concentration environments. One cannot compare it with cloud cover or water vapor.
Scientists will continue to study this but with a great deal more oversight and hopefully, less politics.
Andy:
Too bad Mr. Claude Hopper has resorted to an ad hominem attack to vent his anger…point by point: I agree that the spotted owl is prey to the barred owl…and that this has been used by the enviro-wackos to the detriment of us all. Mr. Hopper has also fallen prey to the idea that we should return to the pristine forests before man…etc. Yet, he’s trying to sell his land…to whom? more rural Oregononians? Ha! No, to the urban bozos he’s calling you…Ha! Sounds like a bit conflicted, to me. Oh, and by the way, more on point, your analysis of Tet vs. AGW is right on…both show the over-inflated value of PR in the corrupt media, true or not, to influence the idiot elected class, and those who only get info from the Old Media.
Gettysburg for the Confederates might be a more apt military analogy for the recent AGW efforts than the Tet Offensive. With their best generals, they both lost a decisive battle that massively spent their resources and they lost their international credibility. At the time the Confederates did not realize how significant the loss was and still pressed on to lose everything.
Regarding the collateral damage to true environmental issues, businesses have found over the last 25 years is that running environmentally friendly operations makes them more efficient – a virtuous feedback loop. Not surprisingly, there is a very deep and wide consensus about living in a cleaner world.
The issue of global warming and conservation are separate. One is political and a power/money grab, the other is just good common sense and one of the mandates given us by God in the bible- to be a good steward. It doesn’t matter that you are religious or not, the fact that even in ancient writing conservation was mentioned shows for how long people have been thinking about taking care of where they live.
That said, people tend to take everything to excess. It is our nature, a weakness I believe, and even conservation can be blighted by the nutjobs within it. For example, I was watching FOX and some lady from some enviro-group was trying to convince us that having pets is an adverse environmental impact. Nutjob!! Of all the things we have done and can still do, getting rid of fluffy won’t be helpful. In fact, it would probably do more harm to the people involved than saving anything on the planet.
And that is the key. We are stewards, not slaves to the earth. We need to use its resources to survive and live a good life, but at the same time we must insure, through conservation, that we can leave the earth in as good or better shape for our children. Overall, we have. Outside the nutjobs in global warming, the depleting rain forest screamers, and others that push the edge of common sense there are a number of good people trying their best to lessen the impact on the environment.
Here’s the rub. It is their choice and it should be left as a choice- not a required school course, not a law or ordinance, not a federal law with jail penalties, just an individual choice. When it becomes a law money, power, greed, and control get involved. Offering a chance to control another human’s life, or millions of humans’ lives to a few is dangerous because it always brings out the worst in people. Look at Jackson’s position at the EPA. She has no right to say or threaten to do what she did. But there she is, supported by the radical enviro-nuts in the administration. Now they jet around on G5′s so do you really think it is about the planet for them? No. It is about power.
For the poster who says he recycles everything I applaud his commitment. But he speaks for only himself and maybe his family. I, on the other hand, conserve where I can and use where I need. I hunt, fish, camp and fire up the carbon emitting grill on occasion. At the same time, I also pick up trash from the woods when I see it, leave the woods as clean or cleaner than when I arrive, and teach my children that we only kill what we eat (outside creatures that cause harm or are safety hazards), and we must respect the earth.
I’m glad our nation pushes for cleaner air, manufacturing processes and emission control- to a point. The key is balance. At what point do we stop living freely on the planet as good stewards and become slaves to the planet and the few who would rule us with strict fiat and regulations. Is there a point when our air is going to just as clean as it is going to get, with all of us on the planet. At what point do we accept we are going to have to cut wood from forests to build and agree that replacing it with more than what was there is a good thing. When? When it stops being a tool to keep us under the thumb of the ruling elite. And that may not be for a long time.
Interesting that you mention the Tet offensive. I have several Vietnamese students now and their parents were teenagers when that occurred. Most military historians think that if not for the negative media, the Tet offensive would have signaled the end of the war. Instead we ran because of whipped up public opinion pretty similar to what we have seen regarding the Islamist War for the past several years.
As for AGW, this issue now transcends facts to become a faith based initiative. As such they will continue to insist that the warming is real and will continue to extort funding for programs and measures that do nothing more than waste money and hamper progress. The Imperial Valley debacle is a prime example of their mindset. And PETA is swinging in with them to ban pets. These people need intense therapy, and medication. Can we bring back electroshock therapy?
As Stalin (or Kruschev?) said, he only needs a generation or two of America’s children to subvert capitalist America from within. This is how the green marxists will prevail. They have our children. They have also invaded our entertainment and corporate culture. All you see now is exhortations to “go green”. In school, kids are being brainwashed to think that if mom drives her SUV or minivan, she is killing polar bears and threatening the planet!
The problem is ferreting out green extreme propaganda from reasonable conservationism, such as not wasting, not littering, and conserving resources within reason (ie: no need to leave every light on in your house all day). But the ecofascists want to control what you drive, what you eat, how far you can drive, how many kids you can have, etc. I have to scrutinize all my children’s assignments to see what type of green they are pushing.
26. Bohemond:
“Ma Nature with her bitchy sense of humor will continue to drive temperatures down”
Yeah, until next summer when it’s 118 in Brainerd. Tell me, Bon Mot, which side of the conservative shriekfest do you prefer – the Earth is warming but it’s not man’s doing, or the Earth is cooling? It’s Wednesday, so that should nudge you toward a commitment. (But act fast, soon it will be Thursday and your directive from HQ will change.)
#4 Francis W. Porretto
You write:
the game is not yet over. At least, the pro-AGW forces haven’t given up. The cards they hold — the seductive prospect of unlimited power over all human enterprise, to be invested in national and supra-national bodies effectively insulated from review or correction — remain potent still. And after all, if “health care reform” bills stridently opposed by two-thirds of the country could marshal enough support to pass both the House and the Senate, why not “cap & trade,” or even something much worse?
That is correct.
The subversives’ plan will not stop just because truth is being revealed.
The totalitarians don’t care at all about such “details” as “truth” and they use force against any opposition.
The fact that the main force they are using today are
the money of Soros and Brothers
AND
the propaganda of the subversives controlled media
must not induce us into any kind of confusion: IT IS FORCE, and it will become open violence as soon as the conditions will be judged right by the subversives.
The DoJ has given a clear example of this last point in the case of the Black Panthers , and the thugs of the unions have attacked a Free Citizen last summer during the townhall movement. These are only SYMPTOMS but cannot be ignored, totalitarianism is growing. There had been similar symptoms in the past and we have ignored them at our expenses.
The plan of the communists remains the same: they want to weaken America (America’s economy, the dollar, the manufacturing and the energy sectors)to chain the American People with POVERTY and DEPENDENCE.
We must keep hammering the truth into the minds all around us, we must literally drain the water away from the pond of the totalitarian fish.
Godspeed America !
archer52 sums up the situation well–there is a world of difference between environmentalism and conservation. We must argue for “responsible environmentalism” as distinct from what has become the religion of the dim-witted. But words have meaning and the problem is now with the word. Environmentalism has been poisoned with extremism–it no longer implies any real degree of sanity or common sense. Responsible, reasoned stewardship of the earth has great value. Environmentalism retains little or none. We need to continue the fight against AGW and need to drive a stake through the evil socialist heart of environmentalism or, as in Vietnam, we will lose a war that can be won.
Not the Tet Offensive…
No the AGW believers are dug in with their firm understanding of exactly how things work, buttressed by data that demonstrates, most clearly, whatever the programs can be fudged to get that they like, they have ignored the improvements in equipment and data processing, they are most avowedly putting down deep roots in a small area… they are ready!
Just like the Maginot Line.
Bunker mentality, unwilling to go past dates where things were as they purported them to be… except that they weren’t… and learning lessons from the handwaving theorists and ignoring the steps being taken to advance the understanding of their field, this nearly mimics the French conception of armored warfare during the inter-war years. And not their loud speeches and meetings proclaim that their defense is perfect would make it so, just as science is never, ever, ‘settled’. There is no ‘perfect’ defense to armored warfare and no sovereign solution to it as the battlefield dictates its utility. Thus the French design was perfect.
Don’t mind the shortness of it.
It wasn’t where the battle would go.
At least the Maginot Line wasn’t attacked, directly, for the most part but starved out after it was surrounded and cut off. That, I am pretty sure, is what will happen with the AGW defenders. They will be all warm and cozy until the government grants and contracts dry up…
It’s interesting that so much focus is placed on CO2, when it plays a much smaller part in GW that claimed. Leave CO2 Alone
#31 Bill:
**Mr. Hopper has also fallen prey to the idea that we should return to the pristine forests before man…etc.** You miss the point. In no way did I say return the forests to earlier times. I am angry that the urban types want forest and owls protected but don’t think they should bear any of the costs (taxes on unproductive land). The buyers that are attracted to this parcel are timber people (locals) not urban folks. But anyone with decent money can buy it. Having property in Oregon is like owning property in a state park. Your choice of activity is controllexd by the state beauracrats.
The AGW alarmist/ecofacist are cooked. How do we know, just read the comments form any related articles, the vast majority are laughing at these crooks and their climate disease.
The realist are by far the majority of respondees with fewer and fewer cranks such as ‘Now.and.Then
36. Now and Then: … which side of the conservative shriekfest do you prefer – the Earth is warming but it’s not man’s doing, or the Earth is cooling?
That would depend on the time frame. The earth has been warming, on average, since the last ice age 11,000 or so years ago, but cooling during the last 10.
Those facts are well established. I would have thought intellectually superior “progressive” beings like you would be aware of them. I’m happy to help though.
Claude:
Thanks for clarifying…Sounded like (what I said…), now you’re really making sense…sorry I missed your point. Yes, have heard that the restrictions on sales in OR are following the wackos. More evidence that the elected class is out of control in OR, as well as congress. “Taxes on unproductive land”??? Who let that one pass? It’s worse than I thought. Good luck chasing the state bureaucrats out…(and, they only respond to ad hominem attacks, not facts…and they’re very good at making them as well).
It was the treasonous communist puke WALTER CRONKITE who told the american public “the war is lost” in 1968. The big difference now-in 1968 no one knew just how treasonous the media really was. McCarthy tried warning the public in the late 40s and early 50s, but even he never realized just how RIGHT he really was. Today, we have talk radio, we have blogs, Utube,Facebook, Twitter, etc. The Walter Cronkites of the world today(Matthews,Ubercommie, Madcow, Williams,Couric, Cooper, etc) no longer are regarded with respect or admiration. Now they are looked upon for what they are. Commie propagandists. Same with the Agw crowd. Scientists are no longer looked upon as those with good intentions. Many of them (Hansen,Mann,Jones) are nothing more than commie ideologues hiding behin d there job titles. Well scum, you can run , but unlike your former scumpuke Cronkite, you cant hide.
45. Knotacommie:
How do you feel about Fred Thompson saying, “The war in Afghanistan is lost.”
The AGW hoax was cooked up circa 1980 by the likes of George Soros and Maurice Strong mainly to destroy capitalsim and establish a one world communist government. Look at Soros own history. His whole fortune has been built on destroying economies. Six or seven different countries have seen this disgrace wipe out there economies. And now hes got his asskisser in power. We now see Co2(nothing more than PLANT FOOD) demonized so only Soros and his fellow anti capitalists(except for THEMSELVES) could benefit. When we discuss such matters, remember WHO stands to benefit from crap and tax. Its not the average family, its scum like Soros,Gore, Strong(now living in RED CHINA-what a joke) and Those at the CRU.
Below is a summary of some new work by those commie-pinko science practitioners (I doubt anyone here could get into any of the mentioned institutions) . They occupy the moral and knowledge high ground, unlike most of the ill informed conspiracy nuts here, but I think even the willfully misinformed deserve to know that they should at least move to the physical high ground.
The study, by scientists at the Carnegie Institution, Stanford University, the California Academy of Sciences, and the University of California, Berkeley, combined information on current and projected future climate to calculate a “temperature velocity” for different parts of the world.
They found that mountainous areas will have the lowest velocity of temperature change, meaning that animals will not need to move very far to stay in the temperature range of their natural habitat. However, much larger geographic displacements are required in flatter areas such as flooded grasslands, mangroves and deserts, in order for animals to keep pace with their climate zone. The researchers also found that most currently protected areas are not big enough to accommodate the displacements required.
Hey! Hey! Let’s leave smoking in bars out of this.
I always wondered if the dangers of second-hand smoke were truely all that bad for you or if this was just another PC cook-up. Were the tests done on monkeys with boxes over their heads, oxygen sucked out and replaced with pure tabacco smoke . . . over the course of a year?
Yeah, but an American soldier could, and did, marry Vietnamese women. While for Nopenhagen, you have Elin swinging a golf club at Tiger’s jaw; and down came the whole empire.
Vietnam possessed no known goals. They didn’t even have a port deep enough to supply out troops! And, just like WW2 led to antibiotics; Vietnam created CONTAINER SHIPPING, in spite of the unions.
Ask now why consequences happen, but they just do.
As to the Vietnamese, go ask them about China. China boomed. And, under the Chinese thumb they did not. Boo hoo.
Alas, the reds found out they needed better communists and the greens discover they need better people. What’s a mother to do?
It’s really an inside-out Tet. Really more like a Battle of the Bulge, the last throw of Hitler’s dice, where, ironically given the present context, Guderian’s Panzers ran out of gas and the thrust towards Antwerp was thrown back by the Allied counter-offensive.
The AGW industry is in a tough spot with the public. They are telling us to believe fancy computer models’ projections about warmer climate, while the Earth gives us snow in Houston, Baghdad, the South of France, and Sacramento. I think I would “short” carbon credits.
Who cares about Tet? Let’s get to the 2009 PJammies Awards. Early voting suggest a lock on some categories, but there are still some awards yet decided. Here’s where we stand:
Most Insightful: Now and Then
Most Consistent Commentary: Now and Then
Best Writer: Now and Then
Best Use of Humor: Now and Then
Best Command of Language: Now and Then
Most Patriotic: Now and Then
Most Courageous: Now and Then
Still TBD:
Most Cynical:
Most Ignorant:
Most Insane:
most Confused:
Most Misinformed:
Most Blindly Obedient:
Most Afraid:
Most Likely to Spontaneously Combust:
Most Likely to Get Indicted:
Most Hypocritical:
Have fun.
I got a real irony for you. I went to Vietnam about 15 years ago and capitalism in its nascent stages was sprouting all over the place. ANYONE could start a business with very little in the way of government interference. One downside is that the restaurant I ate at was permeated with the smell of the open sewer nearby, but the natives didn’t seem to mind. The food was excellent once you got used to the smell. I don’t know WTF this has to do with the thread but it’s an interesting sidelight in how we often come to resemble our enemies.
Thanks, Now and Then, for finally verifying that you masturbate in the mirror. Good luck with that.
56. bill:
Gee Bill, projectile much? I never thought of it in those terms. I guess I can count on you to handle that. thanks.
The problem is that AGW is only one front on a fairly comprehensive regulatory assault – and EPA has already served notice that it will use the environmental ideology to regulate US industry, Copenhagen or not. Add health care, financial regulation, credit cards, the banks, the auto industry – it’s certainly the high tide of government intrusion in private life in a generation at least.
See “The regulated citizen”:
http://vulgarmorality.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/the-regulated-citizen/
A very useful analogy, and sadly more applicable than you seem to have concluded. As others have noted, we broke the back of North Vietnam’s Tet offensive, but Walter Cronkite declared that we had lost the war. General Vo Nguyen Giap’s ally, CBS television, was able to defeat us where his regular army had failed. I see the very same thing happening now. The MSM has closed ranks to defend the AGW theory (more correctly the hypothesis). Our only hope is the health-care debacle, which has shown the liberal politicians for what they really are.
Head of the IPCC Pachauri admits to $300,000 in payments
Likely the tip of the Iceberg as the international web of corporate ties are being uncovered. Another Climate Change multi- Millionaire
We lost Tet in the media. We are likely to lose AGW because the media won’t cover it.
Any “environmentalism” beyond throwing your trash in a trash bin is bogus.
I have lived long enough to see almost all of the environmentalist passionate causes turn out to be lies. Not all, but almost all. AGW was another over the top lie. I see no end. As long as people can be manipulated it will go on. The only thing one can do is expose them for the liers they are.
What would a season be without a good Tet discussion?
No, the American public (and Walter Kronkite) did not fully understand how much the enemy had been damaged, but they did understand the losses which we continued to sustain for many more years, which continued to make the war more and more unpopular. If we had experienced wonderful success after Tet, things would have been different, but the war remained a hopeless mess. Or if we had been willing to take 100,000 deaths, could we have “won?”
By a similar token, if general warming continues, more and more people will come over to the AGW side; if it doesn’t, they won’t. The harder question involves the cost of waiting, if AGW really is happening. Since we and many other countries are making a general commitment to reduce CO2 emissions over the next 5-10 years, that is probably all that can be reasonably expected right now. But should this coming El Nino year trigger become one of the warmest ever, more drastic measures will be accepted.
Dwight #64, the Global Warmers will declare “climate change” is happening right in the middle of Summer, between June & July, when we normally have hot weather like they always do. I would like to see Katie Couric report from a melting ice berg. And Al Gore in a bathing suit in the middle of Antarctica. Will it happen? No. They really deep down don’t believe it themselves.
Hey Sebastian, I just learned that “climate” only happens over 30 years. If it is any particular single event, or even ten years, I think, it is only “weather,” so don’t let Katie or Al lead you astray.
Also if really bad stuff happens, it won’t happen tomorrow, or even in ten to thirty years, so don’t sweat it. Sixty years, I’m not so sure about, but then, that won’t be MY problem, eh?
65. Sebastian Shaw:
” Global Warmers will declare “climate change” is happening right in the middle of Summer, between June & July, when we normally have hot weather like they always do.”
Hello, McFly!