Actually, Meghan McCain, You Can Just Wake Up and Run for Senate
Meghan McCain’s latest commentary on the Daily Beast discusses her recent appearance on ABC’s This Week, where she claimed that Christine O’Donnell is “making a mockery of running for office” because “she has no real history, no real success in any kind of business.” Meghan also said that morning that the message O’Donnell gives to “[her] generation is: One day you can just wake and run for Senate, no matter how [much of] a lack of experience you have. And it scares me for a lot of reasons.”
Meghan, according to the Constitution, the requirements for potential senators are as follows:
No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
That’s it. You don’t have to be a lawyer, you don’t have to be a businessman, and you don’t have to be a member of the Washington elitist cesspool. O’Donnell is 41 years old; is a citizen of the U.S., having been born and raised here; and has lived in Delaware since 2003. From where I sit, she’s technically qualified.
So yes, Meghan — as long as they meet the few requirements laid out in our Constitution, anyone can wake up one day and decide to run for Senate, regardless of whether you think their “lack of experience” is “scary.”
In fact, I think O’Donnell’s candidacy is an embodiment of the American experience. One does not have to be born into royalty or otherwise be part of the self-anointed elite to want to serve and represent one’s fellow citizens. Any ordinary schlub can run for office, making his case to the electorate, and letting it decide if he is suited for the job — which is what Delawareans will do regarding Christine O’Donnell on November 2.
Heck, anyone running for office should be commended for being brave enough to run the risk of having any skeletons in the closet exposed, either by the opposition or the media. The game of politics is not for the faint of heart.
Poor Meghan’s worried about the “example” that O’Donnell sets for her generation. But what about the example that Meghan sets for her generation?
At the ripe old age of 26, she is a public figure and political pundit who is invited to make regular television appearances to spout off on the issues of the day. What exactly gives Meghan the experience necessary to be the voice of her peers in the political arena? Did Meghan achieve this level of success because she worked her way up the editorial ladder, sending off endless op-ed submissions to various editors and being rejected over and over before she finally caught a break?
No. She was the official blogger for her father’s 2008 political campaign. I wonder how she got that job.
When I was 26,I had already been married 5 yrs,had a couple of kids,started my own business,been a conservative radio talk show host,been a Republican precinct chairman,a Convention delegate…and the year I turned 26 I was the GOP nominee for Congress here in the 18th district(Houston,TX)against the late Barbara Jordan….I didn’t win,but at 26 I had way more political and real world experience than this airhead little bimbo does now…I think she carries her brains around in her bra
Megan is an embarrassment, to conservatives in general.
She has no authority to speak about or against anyone.
She rides on daddy’s name and mommies money.
Otherwise who is she? What has she alone accomplished? Nothing…
Even if she were flat chested..her brain would probably get lost in her bra.
NOw…she..is a “political whore”..anything for the limelight, even humiliating herself.
Seems to me that hiring Meghan McCain is a disguised form of payoff to her father, so as to get preferential treatment for her employer. Conflict of interest…
Hey, you can’t be blamed for starting out on such an errant path. You were young, You didn’t know any better. In the next life try to have a little fun when you’re young. It might prevent you from becoming a such a bitter resentful old glorydayer.
Right.
When I was 26, I was the commander of an aircraft equipped with a nuclear weapon, responsible for the ultimate defense of the United States.
I had already graduate from University, and was well onto earning my (first) Masters. I was married, and had a child, with another on the way.
I had been on my own, responsible for my own survival and education, for 10 years. The last time I lived at home (for more than a day or two, visiting) was when I was 16.
No doubt Miss McCain would find those qualifications to run for office, or have an opinion differing from hers deficient as well.
And other than flying a plane, what does that qualify you for?
How about meeting you in a dark alley and kicking your ass?
Is that a threat or an invitation, mystery man?
flighterdoc, how right you are. Meghan is insufferable, a 26 year old with no creds of her own.
By 26 both my sons (recently) went through the army, having been ‘armed’ with EE degrees from MIT & Caltech.
Meghan, top THAT, why don’t you?
Loser & (Valley Girl) poser.By the way, heaven forfend they ever brought home such an insipid know nothing!
Adina, Fear not! Your sons are safe. Miss McCain and Mr. Wow Really are meant for each other. Miss Insipid and Mr. Obnoxious.
Just as a gedanken experiment, what sort of world would we have if the elite that Meghan McCain would have govern were, instead, banned from public life?
Academics, hereditary members of the Political Class, those who have never earned a private-sector paycheck……locked out.
We’d be governed by actors (Reagan), farmers (Washington), haberdashers (Truman), war heroes (Eisenhower, Kennedy, Jackson)…. Quelle horreur!
Of course, we’d have the occasional peanut farmer and nuclear submarine guy (Carter), but only once in a while.
It’s arguable that we might have missed the younger Bushes, Robert Kennedy, Al Gore, and others, but it does seem that this country has prospered over the last 234 years while allowing all sorts of people to just wake up and run for office.
Kennedy wasn’t much of a war hero – his image was all created by his father. In fact, McArthur wanted him courts-martialed for negligence in losing his vessel, since he wasn’t supposed to have the engines off as they were when he was run over by the Japanese Destroyer.
ahhhh…another case of money over facts..
Yes,she did not get in to this position because of her merit,she is there because she is the daughter of McCain.She should keep this in mind before opening her stupid mouth.
Yes, but what did Meghan learn from her father, John McCain? That is the worrisome part. It cast a shadow on his character, though that alone, is not sufficient proof that he did not try it is proof that he did not succeed. She has been brainwashed by the Subversive Left.
It is not who runs for office but who gets the most votes that counts. So O’Donnell dabbled in witchcraft as a youngster and it did not appeal to her sufficiently to follow. I have also dabbled with Ouija and other peripheries and found them wanting. I have no doubt that this world does exist but to get involved with it is not good. That includes water witching which I have also played with. These all raise unanswerable questions but one thing has stood out in my experience, none of these powers has any effect on the Holy Spirit nor can they properly anticipate how the Holy Spirit will lead. If we seek that leadership it will be given. We need no forked limb or any such devices as a Ouija board to find those convictions.
From what I have read Christine O’Donnell my well b led by the Holy Spirit but Coons has no acquaintence with Him.
The requirements are not stringent in running for political office and that opens the door to a lot of con artists and scalawags who can make fine promises which we should never believe. The truth means personal responsibility and that we shirk.
Don’t blame John McCain. Look at Ronnie Reagan Jr. He followed the same path that Meghan is now on, and he is far, far more obnoxious than young Meghan. Only Michael Reagan, his adopted son, took after his great father.
Meghan Mc Cain,”I don’t like you know her icky hair, and my friends you know, the people my age think she is well nuts and yukkie to. Did you know that I went to Columbia like President Obama, that is so kool”. sarc|
So by that logic the criticism that Obama should not have run because he ”lacked” experience was not valid?
It was the Obama camp who derided Sarah Palin for having no experience when in fact she had more experience than the community organizer. The criticism to Obama was a reaction to their pitiful (unfounded) criticism of Palin.
Nothing is said about experience in these requirement but the age requirement means that it takes time to get the necessary experience, which should translate into competence. Just because a person runs for office is not sufficient reason to elect them to that office.
When an official buys a vote or lies to secure a vote he has disqualified himself for that office, not necessarily from being elected to that office.
I have yet to have such a one do that for my benefit which is the only reason I should vote for the candidate. Remember that this statement encompasses the the Golden Rule, which is specifically for my benefit. It is the only way we can secure our rights and privileges.
Make no mistake, we do have privileges and that is why we need liberty to exercise those privileges. Liberty is not law and can be quite flexible but we get gridlock without liberty. It comes under our normal give and take, wait our turn or stand in line. Look about you and you will see where liberty trumps rights in every instance, yet does not infringe on those rights. Entitlements do infringe on rights.
I had not heard Meghan McCain until I watched a short video of her appearance on ‘This Week’. Having to listen to the insufferable and Israeli hating Christiane Amanpour made it difficult. But I heard enough from Meghan to form an opinion.
Meghan McCain is the Paris Hilton of journalism. Meghan came across as a remake of the Valley Girls fame of the 80s. I just knew if I listened long enough I’d hear, “Christine O’Donnell gags me with a spoon.”
Meghan if you happen to read this:
You don’t have to be brilliant to be a Senator. Your own father proves that. If Ms. O’Donnell happens to get elected by chance and stands behind her publicly stated convictions, it will immediately put Ms. O’Donnell one step ahead of your father.
And here’s my prediction. Within a matter of weeks after the Nov. 2 elections, Meghan will suddenly become a good standing member of the Progressive Party. She’s already there – she just hasn’t suffered enough public humiliation yet to admit it. I hope this post in some small way quickens her departure to become nightly guest of MSNBC like Ronald Reagan Jr.
And if my prediction proves right, let me be the first to say, “good riddance Meghan.”
I’m not really an O’Donnell fan, and won’t waste a lot of time defending her — but you are correct, Meghan McCain is in no position to call anyone out for lack of experience or background. This is one of the problems of inexperience; there’s a bit of black humor that says experience is knowing when to flinch. It’s also knowing when to keep your mouth shut.
“She has no real history, no real success in any kind of business.”
That type of inexperience didn’t stop Barack Obama from becoming president of the United States, did it? He never ran a town, a city, or a state, and never ran a large corporation (let alone a small one). His only “experience” in national politics was less than two years in the Senate before deciding to run for president. So how’s that “Hope and Change” working out for you now, Meghan? This guy actually DID wake up one day and decided to be president of the United States and the American public was foolish enough to believe him. What type of example does THAT give to your pathetic generation, Meghan, you know, the one that helped elect this guy in huge numbers? I don’t know why anybody takes this girl seriously about anything.
I TOTALLY agree with you, Liberty! And to go further, Obama PROMISED he would NOT run for President because he had NO EXPERIENCE… But of course, true to form, he BROKE his promise…
Miss McCain is a Progressive Puppet, saying things she’s heard on libtard newscasts, but without any thoughtful reasoning… She hasn’t said one thing as to what exactly is wrong with O’Donnell, or Angle, or Fiorina, or Whitman or any number of conservative women she seems so happy to bash… It’s like she is simply parroting what baseless trash she’s heard others say, and then can’t back it all up with ANYTHING concrete!
WHY DOES ANYONE GIVE THIS TOTAL AIRHEAD BRAINDEAD TWERP ANY AIR TIME AT ALL?!
Megan McCain has to be one of the most undeserving, annoying presences on the political scene today.
But it’s more an indictment of the media than of this adolescent airhead herself. She’s just too stupid to know any better. But the people giving her a microphone, well that’s another matter. They know exactly what they are doing – and it is not honorable.
RJE, I think you have it exactly right. One shouldn’t get upset with Ms. McCain – she’s only what her rich mom and famous dad have made of her. It’s the media that use her, full well knowing that she’s a complete ignoramus, that are acting in a dishonorable, despicable manner. One should feel sorry for Ms McCain; one should despise her media enablers.
maybe she is a shill…John Mc may have “okayed” her saying these things. after all the republican party is not helping Christine, even though she was the choice of the people.
The RNC decided they know better than the people of Delaware that voted for her. The people that voted for her are just plain stupid and they have to help them.. it’s John’s way of calling negative attention to Christine..always a conspiracy tale.. If not, she’s just plain stupid.
When I was 26 I had been busting my butt as a dishwasher and grill cook for several years. It must be nice to be able to gain prominence in the world of politics by having a U.S. Senator for a daddy. Maybe Meghan and Al Gore can start a club.
Yeah, the world sucks, don’t it? Don’t worry, Illinois is God’s country. You should be thankful you live in Hoosierville.
Oh good grief, you’re still trying that lame joke? What are you 12?
On another thread (the first time you tried this childishness) you claimed to one of the other commenters who had pointed out your apparent error that you were laying a “trap” ala the supposed trap laid by Palin over the year 1773.
How exactly is your either mistake or deliberate act of misidentifying which state is the Hoosier state the same as Palin accurately identifying the year of the Boston Tea Party? She made no error, either purposely or ignorantly, yet you claim you are intentionally misidentifying your own state as an adjacent one in order to replicate her alleged trick. She was factually accurate whereas you are not, thus there is no parallel. Please explain this incongruity to me.
As a quick aside I wonder if you are aware that it was mere supposition on the part of the person who wrote the column that Palin had deliberately tricked the knee-jerk lefties? We have no way of knowing that Palin did what the writer theorized she did.
It wasn’t about 1773. It was about Palin endorsing a candidate for Senate in Pennsylvania when he is a candidate in West Virginia. Take heed, they say the memory is the first thing to go – hence your imaginary incongruity.
Here’s the link:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/heh-lefty-bloggers-attack-sarah-palin-impale-themselves/#comments
It starts at #12.
Now you’re setting your own traps. I won’t expect an apology. Say hi to Abe for me.
Sweetheart I didn’t listen to the speech in the first place and have no intention of doing so now. I never listen to speeches by politicians as I consider the things politician say to be the worse reason to vote for them. I prefer to look at their records and history for clues as to where they stand on issues. If Palin did indeed make that mistake it is no more egregious than talking about having visited 57 states or the myriad of other asinine things Obama has said.
Since I did not listen to ,or read the speech I couldn’t very well have forgotten anything. Additionally you have no apology coming from me since you did not bother to explain your comments. It is hardly my fault if you were negligent in putting across your message.
You might want to take a gander as to which column this is and what its subject matter is. It is about Meghan McCain and her assertion that no one without the appropriate background has the right to run for federal office. As near as I can determine it has nothing to do with Sarah Palin.
You were confused, It happens. At least thats what I hear. No need to twist yourself into knots trying to make it look like you understood what you were saying.
What exactly was I “confused” about? You did not explain your statement and yet expected me to know what you were saying. The error was on your behalf for not making it clear precisely what you were alluding to. It is your responsibility to be unambiguous and concise when striving to make a point while posting a comment. It is not the responsibility of others to read your mind and thus to figure out the meaning of your posts.
Instead you chose to play games trying for a gotcha moment wherein you would finally reveal what it is you were writing about. Adults do not have to use such childish subterfuge in conversation. Adults merely state what we mean in plain and straightforward language.
Your attempt at one-upping me by using trickery based on an issue totally unrelated to the subject of this thread tells me more about you than anything you have written to date. The sad thing is that you actually have moments when you are articulate and reasonable. In the future please try to develop that aspect of your intellect and leave the kids games on the playground. You might prove to be worthy of the time to communicate with if you redirect your energies more constructively and creatively.
Try to stick with the actual issue of a thread and if you must deviate from said issue please alert others who are on the thread what you are commenting about. It is not only polite, it will make you easier to understand and perhaps make others less likely to brand you a troll.
Nothing whatsoever ambiguous. Perfectly clear. Perfectly reasoned. And that’s why you’re so tortured by it.
Nothing is torturing me. However your standard issue lefty arrogance and inability to be honest is quite annoying. You made a veiled reference to an issue that is not part of this column or this thread and then proceeded to act as if my not knowing what you were talking about showed a superior intelligence on your behalf.
It would be tantamount (in deference to your obviously limited knowledge I should tell you that this word means “almost the same as”) to me making a reference to the fact that Obama recently admitted that there is no such thing as a “shovel ready job” after promising numerous times that the stimulus and the healthcare bill would create many shovel ready jobs. Only instead of actually mentioning the term “shovel ready jobs” and the obvious lies that Obama told about them, I had instead made an allusion (this word means “making an indirect reference to”) to having used a shovel to clean out my barn. There is only a tenuous (this word means “very weak”) link and without putting the statement into context no one would know what I was saying.
Unfortunately this is typical of those of you on the left; you lie and then act as if those to whom you lie are fools for not knowing that you were lying. As it happens I caught onto this tactic over 20 years ago. I just had hopes that you might be above it. My mistake, you are no different than anyone else on the far-left.
You obviously have a great deal of growing up to do. I would advise that you get started ASAP before the rest of your 3rd grade class leaves you behind.
Keep going. You haven’t claimed the Twinkie defense yet.
Delicious irony to be mined here.
Someone should take young Meghan out to the woodshed, and explain to her that being the daughter of a senator doesn’t qualify one to be a commentator. Further, by her standards, her own father isn’t especially qualified to be a Senator, much less a President.
Fortunately, we don’t live in her fantasy world of a credential-ocracy. We live in the real world, with stated qualification requirements, which both her father and ODonnel meet.
Oh, and Meghan, dear? Being a whiny bitch is never attractive.
“G0D must love poor people—He made so many of ‘em.”; for, if otherwise, “being a whiny bitch” can come so very easily; however, there are exceptions, such as the Forbes daughters, and the Hurst daughters, et al.
When first I heard Ms. “M”, actually, for the uncultured and ungraceful way in which she uses her voice—that jerky sing-song attempt at emphasis for just too many points in every sentence and throughout too many paragraphs—I was so surprised. I felt some pity; for, as with those most fair of face, those also, born with a silver spoon in their mouth have specially difficult obstacles to overcome; for, “Whom the gods would destroy, they bless.”, and then, “Whom they would destroy, they first drive mad.”. Ms. “M” just needs the Lord to touch her life and make her a nice person, . . .
“We live in the real world, with stated qualification requirements, which both her father and ODonnel meet.”
You suggest that McCain and O’Donnell have equivalent qualifications? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Your the one living in a fantasy world
‘You suggest that McCain and O’Donnell have equivalent qualifications?’
Actually, HAHA, the casual reader, stress reader…further stress competent reader, HAHA, saw no such suggestion in his post, HAHAHAHA. They read it as both McCain and O’Donnell meet the qualifications for the senate. HAHAHAHA, what a moron, HAHAHAHA.
I totally agree based on the constitutional definition.
My point is different. The constitutional definition deliberately is broad to allow anyone in the US to become a Senator, which is exactly the goal.
I humbly submit that not everyone should become a Senator/HR/President just because they meet the constitutional requirement.
So what makes a potential Senator/HR/President, beyond the basic constitutional requirement? School attended? What part of the country they are from? business experience? community organizer? political leanings? Money? personal fortune? Was in the military? Personal money management skills? What job they hold now? What stupid things they did when they were young? What?
IMHO, J. McCain and O’Donnell are worlds apart.
Can you answer in a concise way? Or just make fun and call names?
Let’s recap.
You set up a strawman by insinuating that the poster had suggested that McCain and O’Donnell have equivalent qualifications in some broad sense. He did no such thing. His meaning was very clear. After setting up your strawman, you proceeded to use that strawman to subject the poster to derision. This is called a logical fallacy. Perhaps you two have some history. I dunno. But I do know a strawman when I see it. And if your point was to address the constitutional definition of senate qualifications it must have been drooped by an edit error, because there was no trace of it in your post.
Is that concise enough?
“…just make fun and call names?”
You set the rules with ‘HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA’. Eat your own cooking.
Ms.McCain is like many of her generation, they think they know everything, when they have yet to accomplish anything. Why she gives ammunition to the left, the very people that disaraged her father is beyond me. She should be ashamed of herself.
“Ms.McCain is like many of her generation, they think they know everything, when they have yet to accomplish anything.”
The same could be said for Christine O’Donnell. Except that O’Donnell is old enough that she should have some type of real-world accomplishment under her belt, and she doesn’t.
And what did Obama actually accomplish?
Law Review, but never wrote anything.
Adjunct law professor, but never earned tenure.
“Community Organizer” but didn’t stay around long enough to have to live with the results of his action.
State rep – but voted ‘present’ hundreds of times.
Senator – while running for President.
President – 3 Trillion dollars in debt.
Ok, we get it.
Now, explain now O’Donnell has better qualifications?
Rather than attack Obama, maybe you should explain how his potential successors are really any better qualified. If he is as bad as you say, I cannot see how Palin or O’Donnell are better..by your own measure.
I’m not claiming that any qualifications other than those mandated in the Constitution are required. I’m just showing how foolish McCains (and your) statements are, and how unqualified Obama is under McCains standards.
Palin is here to stay and that is because she has qualifications far beyound Obama’s and many other polititians in Washington.
If you don’t get it then listen closely. The Big Lie is failing.
“I’m not claiming that any qualifications other than those mandated in the Constitution are required. I’m just showing how foolish McCains (and your) statements are, and how unqualified Obama is under McCains standards.”
Huh?
The constitution says about qualifications:
http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm
Under this definition, Obama, McCain, O’Donnell are equally qualified. Meghan is too young. Therefore, for you to say that Obama is unqualified is an opinion, not fact. Almost anyone you meet on the street would qualify under the constitutional definition.
If you quantify on his performance, that’s different. Whether one is qualified to run as president is one thing..how they performs once president is quite another.
Your mixing fact with opinion. I guess that’s not a surprise.
So I ask again more precisely…what qualifications/skills/capabilities do you want in a Senator/HR/President once they meet the basic constitutional requirements?
And…what part of my statement is foolish? Can you clarify?
“And what did Obama actually accomplish?”
He became President of the United States. Only 44 people in history have done that. How many pilots are there? I don’t know either, but I’m willing to bet it’s more than 44. And what does a pilot recommend about a person anyway? Nothing, if you follow your opinion of John McCain. Here’s a thought, quit whining about not getting the attention you think you deserve. It’s graceless and casts the quiet courage of our military in a bad light.
On behalf of flighterdoc, who rightly doesn’t want to bother with a nonentity like you – go away, little one.
Actually, it was a nasty recipe of useful idiots with a big helping of propagandist media that accomplished the deed of electing the current disaster in the White House… and let’s not forget the yeoman service of mr. teleprompter. And what a sad day it was. The “historic” has become the tragic. We need to do “historic” over again, this time with a recipient worthy of the mantle.
Lets compare two Navy pilots, John McCain and Jeremiah Denton…..
All the Lefties critical of Christine O’Donnell need to explain Alvin Greene to me before I’ll even consider their O’Donnell comments.
WOW!!! that’s a good one!! and i totally agree
Independent, I agree that she is a disgrace, but I don’t believe it is fair to take a swipe at her entire generation. Look every village has its idiot, and so does every generation.
Meghan McCain is the pundit “du jour” for the MSM simply because she is trashing Republican candidates, especially the ones associated with the Tea Party such as Christine O’Donnell. I find her opinions very childish and shallow, she seems to only have the ability to trash the candidates on a surface level and nothing else. I have not read her book, nor will I ever read it, however I have seen her in three interviews and found nothing of interest in her.
I expect a political run from her in the near future, possibly attempting to win her father’s seat when he finally retires from the Senate. I also expect that at that time she will have absolutely no experience except that she was a “political pundit” and her dad was a senator. Oh sorry, and a fiction writer.
Can someone tell me why anything she says is relevant?
Meghan McCain became a Republican because her daddy, Senator McCain won the nomination for POTUS in 2008; therefore, in Meghan’s own superficial lexicon, she is a “progressive Republican.” What is a “progressive Republican?” Democrat. Meghan McCain voted for Senator John Kerry for POTUS in 2004; she hasn’t changed her tune at all. She’s simply trying to put lip stick on a garbage heap & calling it gold. Meghan McCain’s presence on the MSM & the Daily Beast is to bash Republicans & Conservatives. She’s a fraud. Like daddy, like daughter, the apple does not fall far from the tree.
Meghan McCain just one day woke up and decided because her daddy is a Senator she is qualified to be A spokeswoman for the peoples of the United states and worse yet, a voice for the Republican party. Get real. she is not note worthy and if she were not the daughter of the senator we wouldn’t know who the hell she is and quite frankly, we shouldn’t have to be bothered with her ignorance now.
MEGAN MCCAIN IS THIS SEASONS CINDY SHEEHAN.THE MEDIA IS PLAYING HER THE SAME WAY THEY DID CINDY SHEEHAN.I DOUBT IF MEGAN MCCAIN COULD EVEN LOCATE VIETNAM ON A WORLD MAP.THE VERY PLACE HER FATHER WAS HELD IN CAPTIVITY FOR FIVE YEARS.THEN AGAIN THE SAME MEDIA PLAYED JOHN”PATTY HEARST”MCCAIN AS WELL.THIS EXPLAINS SOME OF JOHN MCCAIN’S OBSESSIVE NATURES BOWING TO THE ALTER OF TRAITORS LIKE JOHN KERRY.THERE IS A BIGGER ISSUE HERE.POLITICIANS MARRIED TO,AND HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS,WHO ARE SOCIALIST MARXIST COMMUNIST,PEDOPHILE,CRIMINAL,AND TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS,THAT HAVE GREATER INFLUENCE,AND POWER OVER OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS,THAN THEIR OATH OF OFFICE TO THE CONSTITUTION.AND THE RIGHTS LIVES,PROPERTY,AND LIBERTIES OF LAW ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZENS.WE WOULD BE CHARGED WITH PERJURY UNDER OATH.WHY ARE WE NOT HOLDING OUR LEADERS TO THE SAME STANDARDS.HIGH CRIMES,AND MISDEAMEANORS.OUR FOUNDERS INTENDED THAT ONLY THOSE WITH HONOR,AND GOOD CHARACTER SHOULD LEAD THIS COUNTRY.ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.BUT I ADD TO THAT SAYING; THAT THE CORRUPT CAN ONLY CORRUPT THE CORRUPTIBLE.THAT IS WHAT THE REAL PROBLEM IS;ASSIMILATION EXPECTATIONS,AND HISTORY EXAMINATION TESTING, IN ORDER TO VOTE.WOULD BEGIN ELIMINATING,SOME OF THAT CORRUPTION FRAUD,AND WASTE.AND PROFESSIONAL AIR HEADS LIKE MEGAN MCCAIN,WOULD BE SEEN AS THE IGNORANT JOKE THAT SHE IS.JIMMY JOE,”THE LIARFRYER”
Jimmy Joe: Please stop with the capital letters. They make it too hard to read and can easily be passed over. If you want your opinion known, make it legible. Thanks
Jimmy- Are you using caps because you don’t see very well? Try CTRL/scroll. Hit the CTRL key while rolling your mouse scroll wheel. You can enlarge or shrink your screen to help you see the letters better. My Mom has the same issues.
The oath is a legality that makes you liable under law. It has no power to make you liable under principle. Therefore, the oath administered for assuming the power of the office is, in effect, meaningless unless you subscribe to the principles behind that oath. Most politicians do not see the oath of office as a declaration of Principals but just a formality to assuming office.
She’s a spoiled rich kid who worked on a failed campaign and is now allowing herself to be used. We should all give her the attention she deserves.
I’ll listen, as soon as she has something worth listening to.
Meghan, here’s a clue: Your new friends will use you as long as it suits their purpose. They don’t like you and never will.
Maybe you don’t understand principles. It’s probably genetic. Your dad evidently decided that his opinion was more important than that First Amendment business that he swore to defend. It’s in the Constitution.
The most irritating thing about Megan is that in every interview she says she speaks for “her generation” whatever the subject. Just like NOW doesn’t speak for all women she doesn’t speak for her generation. I spent my life with the media and sitcoms and movies defining my whole generation as hippies and radicals and the “Meathead” on a sitcom. And if you weren’t liberal you were a nerd or a villain. You may think it doesn’t matter but look who is in control now. Look what they did to Dan Quayle. If a competing “narrative” to Megan McCain is not picked up by society as a whole my son’s generation will be defined by her and her type. Just look at your TV and see how your children’s generation is being portrayed. That is your future if you don’t speak up.
Any new prospect for a senate seat should have at least some self-made success IMHO. If you swing too far to the personal success side you get Mitt Romney, Michael Bloomburg, Ross Perot and Carl Paladino.
Some of these rich guys turn out to be good politicians on both sides of the political spectrum. They tend to be smart, driven people. I would cite Romney and Bloomburg in that category. You have to look at their demeanor.
On the other side however….If O’Donnell were to be elected – and thank the heavens she won’t be – she would be an extreme example of the puppet dancing on strings and guided by corporate/banking masters. A true empty pant suit.
That’s all MM was trying to get at here I think. Typically the ad hominem attacks are launched against her by Ms. Meister, PJM style.
Just because you run for office is not reason enough to be elected. I don’t know how good a Senator O’Donnell is going to be but she can’t be worse than several now serving in the Senate. Coons,on the other hand, has demonstrated his agreement with those who have been causing all our financial and political problems, therefore, he does not appear as a good choice. Is O’Donell the best choice, maybe not but she seems to be the best available choice. Her convictions could make her an excellent choice since I am sure she will grow in those convictions. Coons already knows it all so won’t change.
And speaking of ad hominem attacks, “…she would be an extreme example of the puppet dancing on strings and guided by corporate/banking masters. A true empty pant suit.” Please cite your sources for this, or admit your attack also.
As to your suggestions of “successful” businesspeople/politicians: Romney – Mass health-care was his pride and joy; Bloomberg – does the phrase “nanny state” ring any bells? Perot was unfortunately a political one-trick pony, and Paladino has potential but has not even completed a full campaign yet. Otherwise I’ll consider the witch every bit as viable as the Bearded Marxist.
“In America, the young are always ready to give to those older than themselves the full benefit of their inexperience”–Oscar Wilde
Another problem is some older ones listen…
Meghan McCain is basically famous for being famous. The only reason anyone has even heard of her is because of her father. If her name were Meghan Brown no one would give a hoot what she says.
LOL.
She’s the Paris Hilton, Kardashian sisters, etc of politics….
“Life’s tough……It’s even tougher if you’re stupid.”
-John Wayne
Why is it I think of that quote every time I see someone like Meghan McCain?
Could it be because stupid people don’t know they’re stupid?
Good possibility. Omar Khayyam has some good thoughts on this that I can no longer quote off the top of my head.
If a person knows not and knows he knows not
he is simple, Teach him.
If a person knows not and knows not that he knows not he is a fool, shun him
This can be Googled and is probably worth your time if your are not familiar with it.
Awesome John Wayne quote.
Meghan, being the daughter of a senator that has never been able to stick to his own convictions does not qualify you for anything except being a whore for the liberal press. I can use whore can’t I? You’ve been out there selling yourself for at least 3 years, Oh, maybe prostitute is a more polite word. Anyway, if anyone actually bought your book or your “credentials” I’d put them in the liberal lunatic fringe. You really are a nothing special riding on your daddy’s coattails and your mommies money. Have a great day!
Being a “whiny bitch” is her ONLY claim to fame.
It’s the only thing she has done without dad’s coattails and mom’s money
I do not understand why this “whiny bitch” is even on a news show.
She surely doesn’t represent a conservative point of view.
Okay, I have to take back “without” dad’s coattails and mom’s money….if not for those 2 things, no one would be paying this whack job ANY attention.
“Corporate/banking masters” huh? Outed yourself didn’t you Nate?
this twitt epitomizes what is wrong with the ruling class. empty head,exagerated sense of importance.hard to believe this is mccains kid.
Ms. Meister:
Meghan McCain…Meghan McCain…oh, wait! I’ve got it now!
Isn’t she in in a bowling league?
She’s the young one on Lisa Murkowski, Caroline Kennedy and Liz Cheney’s team!
So she said something.
Why should I care?
Not only that…i think she and Paris Hilton are BFF..that would explain a lot..famous for doing nothing. Of course Paris gets paid for being a dope.
I think daddy is a little embarrassed by her, but who knows, “maybe” he put her up to it.
Big wig republicans refuse to endorse Christine, the person the people chose, and this is a backhanded way of trying to hurt Christine.
AND YES MEGAN…You can just wake up and run for senate..OBAMA did it.
“famous for doing nothing”
Hmm . . . sounds like Christine O’Donnell to me . . . and Glenn Beck . . .
Actually this is the qualifications that Obama brought to the senate then the presidency.
Beck at least is a quite successful author. What’s McCain done?
and Wow Really…
So, you can’t just wake up one day and decide to run for the Senate? You have to have some previous political office? Gee, I wonder whether Ms. McCain has said that to Hillary Clinton and Al Franken.
LIKE TOTALLY FOR SURE…. IT IS TOTALLY AWESOME THAT LIKE FOR SURE YOU HAVE TO BE LIKE A TOTALLY FOR SURE LAWYER OR FOR SURE A BUSINESS LEADER LIKE FOR SURE B4 YOU CAN LIKE FOR SURE RUN FOR LIKE CONGRESS.
Wait, it gets worse, Meghan M thinks scientists have made mice with fully functioning human brains.
Why not? She’s apparently one of the humans with a mouse brain….
No, I think it is politicians with fully operating mouse brains. However, don’t undeestimate the mice, they are hard to get rid of.
When does Meghan McCain take Kathleen Parker’s place on the CNN ratings dud, Parker-Spitzer?
Meghan, you’re dad’s probably too polite to say what he really should say about you mouthing off like this. Talk to your brothers- they’ll give you a clue.
Better yet, Meghan: Loose 25 pounds, join the military and JOIN THEM.
Meghan McCain is the Republican version of Paris Hilton only a lot heavier.
Liz Cheney is a very smart woman. This cannot be said of the others, particularly Meghan, daughter of the worst presidential candidate since Ol’ Bob Dole.
“She has no authority to speak about or against anyone.”
“She should keep this in mind before opening her stupid mouth.”
“Meghan McCain is in no position to call anyone out for lack of experience or background.”
“being the daughter of a senator doesn’t qualify one to be a commentator”
“a whore for the liberal press”
Ah, such a grand reprise, conservatives standing up for free speech! I guess Juan Williams sapped you of all your nobility, eh? Yeah, defending a black guy will do that.
Here’s the question: What gives ANYBODY here the “authority” to be a commentator? Because we’re all doing it. And seems to me that Meghan McCain has a lot more experience around politics than any of us. So get off your high horse and recognize that this is America, not Texas.
What a bizarre thought process. In defending Miss McCain, you castigate those who disagree with you for expressing their opinions, you know, free speech. And, yes, we are all commentators. Isn’t that why there’s the nice little box to fill in with words at the end of the article? As Miss McCain might say, “Duh-uh.” Now, please explain your sweeping leap of illogic with regard to defending Juan Williams, a “black guy” has sapped us of “nobility” and I didn’t realize Texas was no longer part of the United States. On second thought, no need to explain. I fear you have been sipping from the cuckoo bird cup.
I’ll make this as simple as possible . . . you’re hypocrites.
According to Ms. Mehgan McCain a business person like a Whitman that runs a major company or a doctor would not qualify to become my “representative” in the U.S. Congress. I sell multi-millionaire orders and keep over a hundred employed so I certainly am not qualified in her eyes to be a “representatve” for myself. What do I know? Keeping people working doesn’t give me any grasp of how to spend irresponsibly. Now providing lavish dinners for union members using $50,000 and $70,000 for the other out of a state treasury (property taxes paid by the state residents)–that is the experience she thinks is important. WRONG!
And lets face it – what exactly has her dad done?
He was a legacy pilot in the Navy, who had more than his fair share of problems. He was a POW in hellish conditions and comported himself with honor.
Since then, he was a member of the House, and Senate. He has been at the public teat all his life (even after the military), but has no special training or certification for his work….He’s never apparently had to sign the front side of a paycheck, never had to worry about a mortgage (after marrying wealthy, good for him), never had to worry about anything that 99.9% of the population has to.
Yep, Miss McCain should shut her pie-hole.
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We have two navy pilots with similar experience, John McCain and Jeremiah Denton, both long term prisoners of war, both Republican and both in politics yet that is where the similarity ends. One was a Republican and the other a RINO. Meghan has embellished the RINO part since they have already broken through the last restraining fence.
flighterdoc
You keep pointing out what’s wrong with others. We hear a lot from you about what Obama and others do NOT have, in terms of qualifications.
so…what exactly are your requirements for running for Senate, HR, President? Then take those and see who’s qualified.
How about a productive post instead of always negative?
I’m not running for public office.
However, my qualifications are exactly those required by the Constitution – either for Senator, or President. No more, no less.
Thats all thats required, despite the elitist, hypocritical expectations of Miss McCain and other ‘progressives’ such as yourself.
However, I have started businesses and employed people. I have struggled on occasion with a mortgage payment. I have suffered from government spending that is out of control, and wondered why I should pay for losers (in government, and out) from taking the products of my effort.
And, I have served America – in the military, in combat. After I became a physician, I still served in combat, and have saved peoples lives. I am altruistic, as demonstrated by my repeated volunteering to go outside the US to serve as a physician (not on religious missions, btw: I keep my religion private).
As far as my credentials, besides the above, I have an MBA, two M. Sci degrees, and two B. Sci degrees.
So, I think that I’m justified in saying I’m at least as, if not more, qualified than Obama, Meghan McCain, or for that matter, John McCain.
But, I’m not running for office.
Your history and life story are commendable.
A couple of points.
I don’t think I am elitist and I don’t know how you come to that conclusion. Not sure what your definition of an elitist is. I grew up overseas and in the Midwest. I went to a Midwest college myself and have a BS/MEng in Electrical Engineering. I work as an IT professional these days. Does that make me an elite?
Why do you thing I’m a progressive? Because I ask too many hard questions?
Am I hypocritical? Please tell me how, so I can avoid that. I try to be reasonable and ask reasonable questions.
You avoided my question..I was not asking if you are qualified. I am asking who among the folks who are running if they are qualified, beyond the constitutional definition.
So, you’ve spent the better part of your adult life in the halls of the leftist, Marxist, socialist, fascist halls of liberal academia soaking up their Maoist Leninist Chavezian Castroisms. You shoudl have been a real American and gone out and gotten a real job instead of sucking of the teet of the bad habit we patriots call college. Typical elitist libtard. I poop on your head and then I laugh . . . ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . . . like that.
(Did I do good, Rush? Glenn, was that oK? It was? Oh, oh . . . goody!)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t a community organizer wake up one day and decide to run for U.S. Senate? Apparently it can be done Meg.
She obviously wasn’t paying attention in history class (or re-written history class), this is America, anyone can wake up one day and become anything they desire with enough hard work and luck.
I would suggest that Megan McCain go back to clubbing with Paris and Lindsay (when she gets paroled).
Barack Obama served as a state legislator before running for the Senate.
liz is in a different category altogether…very cerebral…meghan is an absolute airhead
Meghan McCain didn’t fall far from the tree. She is about as self absorbed and dumb as her father. Please spare us from the spawn of any current politician.
We have two navy pilots with similar experience, John McCain and Jeremiah Denton, both long term prisoners of war, both Republican and both in politics yet that is where the similarity ends. One was a Republican and the other a RINO. Meghan has embellished the RINO part since they have already broken through the last restraining fence.
My heart goes out to Meghan for the day she actually understands why she is currently so “popular” with certain people…
I don’t understand where or how the definition for legislative “empowerment” of this current society was deemed. Why do people believe that only lawyers or people of such degree of “education” are qualified? Just as the author of the article stated, as defined by the Constitution, anyone of age, citizenship, etc is qualified. So please tell me, how does a lawyer have any more right than the “regular American” to decide on regulation, law, and policy on economics, health-care, education, etc??? As much flack as Palin and O’Donnell receive is an abomination to the definition of public service and office! The are truly the epitome of what the spirit of service is. To WAKE UP and realize that YOU have the potential to direct the course of this country and REPRESENT your community.
Meghan is the left’s favorite young “republican”. Just like her Dad who was the left’s favorite “republican” senator. And after the ny times endorsed McCain as the best Republican nominee for president, they delivered a vicious, unsubstantiated attack on his marriage and personal life the DAY he became the official nominee. Meghan will learn, soon enough, that her so-called friends of the msm will shun her completely if her views shift and she endorses even one conservative candidate.
Of all the people in the world who’s opinion is NOT worth a warm bucket of spit, Meghan ranks in the top 5
What a twit Megan is. I didn’t even bother to read the article because I have viewed her on Fox Cable, and that is enough for me. Megan is no pundit!
Here’s for qualfications.
1) Have worked at a job in the private sector at one time or another.
2) Can read a P&L and Balance Sheets.
3) Have prepared your own taxes at one time or another and can prove you can still do it without TurboTax or HR Block.
4) Have taken one MacroEconomics course and one MicroEconomics course sometime in your education. Requirement to go back to school if elected.
5) Know the Bill of Rights and the basics of the Constitution. I don’t care if you don’t know there is a separation of church or state, just know that as a representative you can only amend through the states.
6) You don’t need to know if there is a Bush Doctrine which there is not and we don’t care if you associated with someone that may be in to voodoo. We already know that most of what the media and commentators think and say are fabrications designed to disrupt. Instead, tell us what your plan is to turn this corruption and recklessness around.
Pretty simple!
I’m only 20, haven’t done much of anything, and I know better then Meggy and the Bachelor’s Degree she doesn’t even use. It’s RIONs like that that make real young conservative woman look bad. In fact, this argent elitism really makes little old me want to run for something.
i’m like , uh, you know?
Meghan and her mother are two of the most glaring reasons why John McCain was such a poor candidate. He obviously could not convince either of them to be conservative. Meghan doesn’t understand that liberals cannot be appeased. If you let them have a victory or any kind, they will turn on you and demand more.
So all that stuff about obama’s lack of experience. Was that … different?
Just reading what Meghan McCain has said convinced me she is a natural Blond.
This coddled,untalented little RINO(the term also refers to her weight) has had her fifteen minutes of fame based on daddy’s career.She needs to go work for the Huffington Post,and maybe weightwatcher’s as their resident, perpetually fat challenged, spokespig.
The right really is the home of reasoned argument, isn’t it? The left makes personal attacks on people they don’t like, that’s bad. But when wingnuts make person attacks on people THEY don’t like then it’s somehow different. Principled.
O’donnell’s a nice lass. But she’s apparently never read the constitution, and has no policies. That doesn’t worry anyone here even a teensy bit?
The right really is the home of reasoned argument, isn’t it? The left makes personal attacks on people they don’t like, that’s bad. But when wingnuts make person attacks on people THEY don’t like then it’s somehow different. Principled.
O’donnell’s a nice lass. But she’s apparently never read the constitution, and has no policies. That doesn’t worry anyone here even a teensy bit?
I really liked this:
…. This coddled, untalented little RINO (the term also refers to her weight) has had her fifteen minutes of fame, based on daddy’s infamy. She needs to go pontificate for the Puffington Host and maybe bark for Weight-Watcher’s, as their resident, perpetually fat, intellectually challenged, spokespig ….
So there, more or less, it is again!
Meghan is about as Republican as Tucker Carlson. She’s an absolute shill. None of her opinions have anything to do with the republican (yes, small ‘r’) ideology. I’d take a Christine O’Donnell over a John McCain, let alone a Meghan McCain any day. At least Christine worked her way from the bottom. She’s not some silver spoon sucking princess benefiting from nepotism. Her blogs are vacuous, but thankfully pitifully short. I can’t believe this person actually wrote a book. Then again, it doesn’t mean it has to be a coherent book.
Meghan McCain is like many others born into privilege. Meghan was born on third base and all her life she thought she had hit a triple. Unfortunately there are several generations out there that believe you must be spawned by the ruling elites or developed by their elite establishments before you are able to occupy a position of leadership or authority. When she sees someone that dose not meet these criteria attempting to jump the wall she is perplexed. The only way to verify her existence and place in life is to mock and discredit these attempts by those not properly anointed…
I like Palin, because she makes Leftist heads explode. The Left is trying to use Ms. McCain in the same fashion. Just ignore her. Do not give her any significance. None. Don’t let them manipulate you. Don’t let the SOB’s see you react. Don’t give them the satisfaction.
Robbins Mitchell reckons dangerous dullard Mr McCainiac’s room-temperature-IQ kid carries whatever does her for brains in her bra.
Bra?
Nah.
In the arse of her drawers.
Most of us are not, ahem ‘qualified’ to run for office.
For we are self-made achievers, balance our own budget, pay our bills on-time, do our own homework for investing/moving our 401k’s/Roth IRA’s, etc, we weren’t next to last of ANY graduating class, know how many house(s) we own, didn’t marry a wife (or 2nd, 3rd whatever) with an empire, are held accountable for our work performance/words spoken.
Though most importantly – We don’t have a 26 year old as frighteningly stupid, removed from ‘her generation’ as Cindy and Juan McCain.
Yeah, but did you see John “Thank God he’s not president” McCain in that recent video where he’s screaming “THAT’S NOT THE POLICY!” at reporters asking a simple question about DADT, like some senile old nutcase on a subway train?
Apparently the frighteningly stupid apple does not fall far from the frighteningly stupid tree.
“I can’t believe this person actually wrote a book. Then again, it doesn’t mean it has to be a coherent book”.
Rik – You haven’t ‘read’ Caroline Kennedy’s ‘contributions’ to the literary world? You are in for a treat, my friend.
“Hello, I’m Christine O’Donnell. I am 41 years old; am a citizen of the U.S., having been born and raised here; and have lived in Delaware since 2003. I’m technically qualified.”
Hey, at least it’s better than “I am not a witch.”
perfect example of the poor education in our public schools
the founders saw the public being represented by regular Americans
Americans who gave up several years of their lives to go to Washington & represent their fellow American & then go home & go back to their lives as Doctors, Farmers, iron workers etc
the Founding Fathers trusted their fellow Americans to do what was right & never intended there to be the political class we now have
I think Megan is just a typical product of her generation. Because of her parents she has access and money. I have only seen her once but she was talking about Ms. O’Dowell then and I tended to agree with her that o’Dowell is utterly unqualified to run for anything other than a very low office. Her past life is an indication that she has poor or no judgment; she doesn’t handle money well. That’s one quality that may be helpful in a legislator. By nominating her the Republicans have just added another vote toward Obama’s projects.
I’m willing to buy that. I don’t totally agree, but there is no reason to take you to task for it. What the subject of the article, and the responses therein are about, is, a spoiled, born to wealth, placed at the top, spawn of an oligarch telling someone who came from a family whose patriarch worked two to three jobs, that she is not qualified to run for Senate; and then expecting us to buy it. Actually its not for our consumption. Meghan McCain is a monkey see, monkey do mimic of her father. Pretend to be a Republican, and then champion every liberal cause that comes down the pike so that the media feeds your narcissistic needs.
Were you guys all this hateful toward mccain when he was the republican candidate?
Do I have to go back and check your comments from the time?
Start spinning … now
Matthew, by all means ‘archive’ posters sentiment on McCain in ’08. Including mine.
I’d pulled the lever for Romney ‘Super Tuesday’ alas the vote being useless as he’d bowed out the very next day.
I’m no Mormon nor chherleader for Romney.. but know McCain the flim-flam man.
If only Rudy had the heart, decent campaign strategist to campaign LONG before Florida. C’est la vie.
You should have voted for Huckabee. Romney dropped out because he knew that he couldn’t win the nomination even if McCain dropped dead.
Here’s the fun thing: If anyone has gathered anything from Meghan McCain, it is her incessant drumbeat about the fact that she is young.
Everything she ever says is about being young. She annoints as the spokesperson for all young people, explaining them to all the dunderheaded older people who apparently live on a different planet. As if her “translation” was needed for the rest of us.
And as if all young people agreed with her!
It’s her main (if not only) shtick. Being young.
Well, guess what. She’s less than four years from 30, and that’s about the time she can no longer get away with it. (Those of us who are older, of course, think of people in their thirties are still very young, but the truly young will not.)
Being no longer young is bad enough for a woman. To make your youth your whole centerpiece, your main talking point – for anyone, male or female – is a humongous error.
And a delicious one, in her case. I can’t wait for the day (not long from now) when if she dares try to give herself airs as “speaking for the youth,” she’ll be laughed off the stage.
Her generation is, like all others before her, destined by time to become uncool, as has happened to all young people since time immemorial. I wonder what she’ll use as a shtick when that happens?
She’s a one-trick pony. “Look at me, I’m young!” And a vapid, empty-minded, silly one at that. I was more thoughtful and serious and sensible when I was seven years old; never mind 26.
[And of course she doesn't understand that this is America, where anyone can run for office, not just the self-described elite.]
Perhaps Ms. McCain would care to comment on the qualification of the current resident of the White House. Let’s go over some pertinent details in order to help Ms. McCain. Barry had extensive experience as an executive. Whoops, no he didn’t. He was a “community organizer” whatever the hell that is. Well lets try something else. He served for a lengthy period of time as a Senator. Whoops again!! He served a couple of years as a back bencher in the Illinois state senate, voting “present” most of the time, and a couple of years in the U.S. Senate but most of that was spent campaigning. His name is not associated with any major bills and the one committee he was in charge of never actually met. Well let’s try one more time. He has deeply held convictions that he’s had published. Oh gee whiz, whoops again. He’s never actually had anything published and if he did he’s hiding it. He did write a couple of autobiographies so I guess that counts for something. Oh and I use the term “write” in the loosest possible fashion. Well perhaps Ms. McCain with her extensive experience and background can clear up just exactly whyat Barry’s qualification for President are. Aside from being a Black American.
kenny kenny. I believe Obama is the architect of the ‘well thought & laid out’ Congo Aid Bill. Come on, you know the one. It may be perhaps thee reason Congo is finally ‘flourishing’. Oh, wait. Nope.. my bad.
ANONYMOUS: I hate the bitch,she’s hateful,hence the personal attacks.I’d hate you too, but your feeble little “gotcha” post bespeaks of someone, too pathetic to be worth hating!