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		<title>By: Yehudit</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a_good_meal_gone_bad/#comment-10735</link>
		<dc:creator>Yehudit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For Nancy, the restaurant was so wonderful, that she wanted the other guests to have that same wonderful experience. This is generosity, and I&#039;m hoping Yehudit can see that, despite the ruffled feathers etc:-)&quot;

The problem is that I DID have the same wonderful experience, and she couldn&#039;t see it. I thought the food was great. Also the cocktail.

&quot;I&#039;m mystified by the identity of Hogwart.&quot;

I think that&#039;s the Portland blogger I met in NYC who I invited along. She was sitting between me and Nancy. I think you guys didn&#039;t talk because I was between you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For Nancy, the restaurant was so wonderful, that she wanted the other guests to have that same wonderful experience. This is generosity, and I&#8217;m hoping Yehudit can see that, despite the ruffled feathers etc:-)&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is that I DID have the same wonderful experience, and she couldn&#8217;t see it. I thought the food was great. Also the cocktail.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m mystified by the identity of Hogwart.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the Portland blogger I met in NYC who I invited along. She was sitting between me and Nancy. I think you guys didn&#8217;t talk because I was between you.</p>
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		<title>By: N.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;d like to read Nancy&#039;s view on &quot;handling&quot; people with vastly different tastes. Usually, when I prepare a festive meal, I make sure to have a variety of dishes and desserts so that none of my guests would be left with a poor choice or reduced to bread and olive oil... And I find people are usually curious about food they have not had before, provided its ingredients are fully recognizable. There are always exceptions, like my husband, a vegetarian of very limited ability to tolerate food he does not know. For him it is nearly always a choice between grilled fish and rice or pasta pomodoro!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;d like to read Nancy&#8217;s view on &#8220;handling&#8221; people with vastly different tastes. Usually, when I prepare a festive meal, I make sure to have a variety of dishes and desserts so that none of my guests would be left with a poor choice or reduced to bread and olive oil&#8230; And I find people are usually curious about food they have not had before, provided its ingredients are fully recognizable. There are always exceptions, like my husband, a vegetarian of very limited ability to tolerate food he does not know. For him it is nearly always a choice between grilled fish and rice or pasta pomodoro!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a_good_meal_gone_bad/#comment-10733</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no leap of faith, when I read this article it mirrored back my own inability to handle people who share vastly dissimilar tastes.

This article caused an emotion to stir within myself and for that I am grateful to the author for producing it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was no leap of faith, when I read this article it mirrored back my own inability to handle people who share vastly dissimilar tastes.</p>
<p>This article caused an emotion to stir within myself and for that I am grateful to the author for producing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Axl Rose</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a_good_meal_gone_bad/#comment-10732</link>
		<dc:creator>Axl Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS - Nancy, the next time you&#039;re in Portland, you must try the beer.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; Nancy, the next time you&#8217;re in Portland, you must try the beer.</p>
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		<title>By: Axl Rose</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a_good_meal_gone_bad/#comment-10731</link>
		<dc:creator>Axl Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy, interesting piece on our dinner.

Actually that was a beret, not a bandana; and I&#039;m a vegetarian, not a vegan.  But - as I mentioned in my e-mail to you after the event - I did enjoy meeting you, and I&#039;m sorry if the feeling wasn&#039;t mutual.  I would hate to think that my company spoiled a good dinner for you.

I&#039;m assuming that Rumple is Judith from Kesher Talk, but I confess I&#039;m mystified by the identity of Hogwart.  If you are having trouble remembering the names of the people who joined you for dinner that evening, you might want to see if my posts on the event jog your memory -

&lt;a href=&quot;http://asher813.typepad.com/dreams_into_lightning/2007/06/new_friends.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://asher813.typepad.com/dreams_into_lightning/2007/06/new_friends.html&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://asher813.typepad.com/dreams_into_lightning/2007/06/of_food_family_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://asher813.typepad.com/dreams_into_lightning/2007/06/of_food_family_.html&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy, interesting piece on our dinner.</p>
<p>Actually that was a beret, not a bandana; and I&#8217;m a vegetarian, not a vegan.  But &#8211; as I mentioned in my e-mail to you after the event &#8211; I did enjoy meeting you, and I&#8217;m sorry if the feeling wasn&#8217;t mutual.  I would hate to think that my company spoiled a good dinner for you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming that Rumple is Judith from Kesher Talk, but I confess I&#8217;m mystified by the identity of Hogwart.  If you are having trouble remembering the names of the people who joined you for dinner that evening, you might want to see if my posts on the event jog your memory -</p>
<p><a href="http://asher813.typepad.com/dreams_into_lightning/2007/06/new_friends.html" rel="nofollow">http://asher813.typepad.com/dreams_into_lightning/2007/06/new_friends.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://asher813.typepad.com/dreams_into_lightning/2007/06/of_food_family_.html" rel="nofollow">http://asher813.typepad.com/dreams_into_lightning/2007/06/of_food_family_.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: N.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, what a leap of faith you have taken from the little &quot;rashomon&quot; that unfolded here. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s about &quot;requiring&quot;. But it is fun and conducive to conviviality when your friends or dinner guests share an enjoyment, at least to some extent, of the same things. I think that Nancy&#039;s main disappointment (whether merely perceived or real is not fully determined) is in what she conceived of as a patronizing resistance to new tastes and foods. But that&#039;s only my own understanding of the story.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, what a leap of faith you have taken from the little &#8220;rashomon&#8221; that unfolded here. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s about &#8220;requiring&#8221;. But it is fun and conducive to conviviality when your friends or dinner guests share an enjoyment, at least to some extent, of the same things. I think that Nancy&#8217;s main disappointment (whether merely perceived or real is not fully determined) is in what she conceived of as a patronizing resistance to new tastes and foods. But that&#8217;s only my own understanding of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a_good_meal_gone_bad/#comment-10729</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I guess the only real question here is, do you always require people you associate with to like what you like and act like you act?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I guess the only real question here is, do you always require people you associate with to like what you like and act like you act?</p>
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		<title>By: N.</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a_good_meal_gone_bad/#comment-10728</link>
		<dc:creator>N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must confess that I was a bit uncomfortable reading this piece. I like Nancy&#039;s writing and her great verve and knowledge about food. But reading this story I wondered how a participant at that dinner would feel like, reading it. After all PJM is not some secret and exclusive member blog! I also felt that she must have misconsrued some of the responses she was describing. There could, as we see from Y&#039;s rejoinder, be any number of explanations as to why people behaved like they did.

Still, when I read it I thought I
recognized Nancy&#039;s frustration, from a different angle. It is very much like I feel when I try to explain to people, friends, my bottomless enthusiasm about Jane Austen&#039;s novels (for example). For the most part, I get watery smiles and polite concurrence but none of the reciprocity of enjoyment that would signal a genuine sharing of my sentiments. For Nancy, the restaurant was so wonderful, that she wanted the other guests to have that same wonderful experience. This is generosity, and I&#039;m hoping Yehudit can see that, despite the ruffled feathers etc:-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must confess that I was a bit uncomfortable reading this piece. I like Nancy&#8217;s writing and her great verve and knowledge about food. But reading this story I wondered how a participant at that dinner would feel like, reading it. After all PJM is not some secret and exclusive member blog! I also felt that she must have misconsrued some of the responses she was describing. There could, as we see from Y&#8217;s rejoinder, be any number of explanations as to why people behaved like they did.</p>
<p>Still, when I read it I thought I<br />
recognized Nancy&#8217;s frustration, from a different angle. It is very much like I feel when I try to explain to people, friends, my bottomless enthusiasm about Jane Austen&#8217;s novels (for example). For the most part, I get watery smiles and polite concurrence but none of the reciprocity of enjoyment that would signal a genuine sharing of my sentiments. For Nancy, the restaurant was so wonderful, that she wanted the other guests to have that same wonderful experience. This is generosity, and I&#8217;m hoping Yehudit can see that, despite the ruffled feathers etc:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Yehudit</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a_good_meal_gone_bad/#comment-10727</link>
		<dc:creator>Yehudit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This essay is a good illustration of the danger of mind-reading. For example, if someone sits staring at a menu for a long time, especially right after arriving at a dinner already in progress, it is not necessarily because she is frozen with fear by the blazing sophistication of the menu. It might be because she has total indecision meltdown when confronted by so many delicious possibilities. Believe me, Nancy, waitresses frequently smile patronizingly at me and say, &quot;Maybe I&#039;ll just come back.&quot; My inability to make up my mind at a restaurant is the despair of my friends.

But do you usually expect someone to know exactly what she wants from a quirky drink menu within seconds of sitting down?

And when someone asks &quot;how does this work?&quot; she might be referring to the demands of this particular meal: are we ordering our own or splitting the tab? wine too? what&#039;s been ordered so far? are we to expect an entree as well? It is reasonable to want to know these things, and they don&#039;t deserve a patronizing response.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;What&#039;s &#039;potatoes bravas&#039;?&quot; she asked. I told her, probably something with potatoes.&lt;/i&gt;

Scintillating. That, my friends, is what a real Foodie sounds like. You&#039;re wondering what the Chowhound forums are like, they sound like that.

&lt;i&gt;The steak arrived as fat slices of rib eye, a cut I adore. Hogwart and Rumple began poking at it with their knives, one pinning it in place while the other pulled away the lovely rim of fat and plopped it on the tablecloth.&lt;/i&gt;

I remember that steak, it was wonderful, and I think I scooped up my friend&#039;s rim of fat. I must confess I wasn&#039;t watching your dextrous way with cutlery, so how did &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; carve a small thick cut of meat on a tiny plate, with no poking allowed?

On second thought, I must not be Rumple after all, because I love beets and olives and I did have the sardines and I know what paella is. Perhaps what I really said was &quot;how&#039;s the paella?&quot; The restaurant was noisy after all.

I am beginning to think these characters (except for my vegan beer-drinking friend) are composites, drawn from three unpleasant dinners at a great restaurant. It&#039;s a lovely piece of fiction - MFK Fisher must be shivering with awe in her grave.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This essay is a good illustration of the danger of mind-reading. For example, if someone sits staring at a menu for a long time, especially right after arriving at a dinner already in progress, it is not necessarily because she is frozen with fear by the blazing sophistication of the menu. It might be because she has total indecision meltdown when confronted by so many delicious possibilities. Believe me, Nancy, waitresses frequently smile patronizingly at me and say, &#8220;Maybe I&#8217;ll just come back.&#8221; My inability to make up my mind at a restaurant is the despair of my friends.</p>
<p>But do you usually expect someone to know exactly what she wants from a quirky drink menu within seconds of sitting down?</p>
<p>And when someone asks &#8220;how does this work?&#8221; she might be referring to the demands of this particular meal: are we ordering our own or splitting the tab? wine too? what&#8217;s been ordered so far? are we to expect an entree as well? It is reasonable to want to know these things, and they don&#8217;t deserve a patronizing response.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;What&#8217;s &#8216;potatoes bravas&#8217;?&#8221; she asked. I told her, probably something with potatoes.</i></p>
<p>Scintillating. That, my friends, is what a real Foodie sounds like. You&#8217;re wondering what the Chowhound forums are like, they sound like that.</p>
<p><i>The steak arrived as fat slices of rib eye, a cut I adore. Hogwart and Rumple began poking at it with their knives, one pinning it in place while the other pulled away the lovely rim of fat and plopped it on the tablecloth.</i></p>
<p>I remember that steak, it was wonderful, and I think I scooped up my friend&#8217;s rim of fat. I must confess I wasn&#8217;t watching your dextrous way with cutlery, so how did <i>you</i> carve a small thick cut of meat on a tiny plate, with no poking allowed?</p>
<p>On second thought, I must not be Rumple after all, because I love beets and olives and I did have the sardines and I know what paella is. Perhaps what I really said was &#8220;how&#8217;s the paella?&#8221; The restaurant was noisy after all.</p>
<p>I am beginning to think these characters (except for my vegan beer-drinking friend) are composites, drawn from three unpleasant dinners at a great restaurant. It&#8217;s a lovely piece of fiction &#8211; MFK Fisher must be shivering with awe in her grave.</p>
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		<title>By: Yehudit</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a_good_meal_gone_bad/#comment-10726</link>
		<dc:creator>Yehudit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is the dinner I was at, as the guest of Michael Totten, who convened it. I&#039;m pretty sure it&#039;s the same dinner because I recognize the vegan bandana wearer, who can out himself if he chooses. If I&#039;m wrong, Nancy, I apologize.

Am I Rumple? As I remember it was raining that day, although it may have stopped by the time I got there. I got there late (via taxi) because Michael was supposed to give me a ride, but he was totally immobilized in traffic because of bridges going up and down due to Fleet Week. He was even later. Perhaps we were Rumpled and not paying proper attention to the menu and the hallowed procedures because of these unexpected delays.

As I remember, most of us were enjoying the conversation, and consulting the menu intermittantly because we were there to enjoy each other&#039;s company, and we aren&#039;t Foodies. Sorry.

And I think the other woman you are dissing is a Portland blogger I had met the previous week in NYC, who I had invited to join us. Since it was Michael&#039;s dinner, and he said okay, I didn&#039;t realize that I had to submit her for your approval. I hope she had a good time anyway, and I&#039;m sorry I didn&#039;t arrive early enough to run interference for her.

For the record, I have eaten tapas many times, and  I liked the restaurant a lot. I think I did have the oxtail, and I loved all the dishes I had. I passed on the pork in my half-assed way of keeping kosher. I did have a fun cocktail specialty of the house, although I forget the details.

If you like fun cocktails, a huge wine list, and delicious small serving plates, next time you are in NYC may I recommend the Park Blue?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is the dinner I was at, as the guest of Michael Totten, who convened it. I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s the same dinner because I recognize the vegan bandana wearer, who can out himself if he chooses. If I&#8217;m wrong, Nancy, I apologize.</p>
<p>Am I Rumple? As I remember it was raining that day, although it may have stopped by the time I got there. I got there late (via taxi) because Michael was supposed to give me a ride, but he was totally immobilized in traffic because of bridges going up and down due to Fleet Week. He was even later. Perhaps we were Rumpled and not paying proper attention to the menu and the hallowed procedures because of these unexpected delays.</p>
<p>As I remember, most of us were enjoying the conversation, and consulting the menu intermittantly because we were there to enjoy each other&#8217;s company, and we aren&#8217;t Foodies. Sorry.</p>
<p>And I think the other woman you are dissing is a Portland blogger I had met the previous week in NYC, who I had invited to join us. Since it was Michael&#8217;s dinner, and he said okay, I didn&#8217;t realize that I had to submit her for your approval. I hope she had a good time anyway, and I&#8217;m sorry I didn&#8217;t arrive early enough to run interference for her.</p>
<p>For the record, I have eaten tapas many times, and  I liked the restaurant a lot. I think I did have the oxtail, and I loved all the dishes I had. I passed on the pork in my half-assed way of keeping kosher. I did have a fun cocktail specialty of the house, although I forget the details.</p>
<p>If you like fun cocktails, a huge wine list, and delicious small serving plates, next time you are in NYC may I recommend the Park Blue?</p>
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