A Three-Year Plan for the Repeal of ObamaCare
Ronald Reagan was an optimist, but not in the way that many people like to describe him. He did not think that all paths would inevitably lead to “Morning in America.” Specifically, he was not an optimist in the sense of believing that ceding ever-greater power and control to a centralized government would turn out well. To the contrary, in this regard he was a healthy pessimist, or a hardheaded realist.
In the famous 1964 address that essentially launched his political career, Reagan quoted a Democratic senator who had said that we must use “the full power of centralized government” to allow the president to do “what he knows ‘is best.’” Reagan energetically replied: “‘[T]he full power of centralized government’ — this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. They knew that governments don’t control things. A government can’t control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.”
So Reagan was not an optimist in the above sense, but in the following one: He steadfastly believed that, whatever the odds, the good fight was well worth waging; that it could be won; and that there was no greater earthly cause than liberty.
Reagan shared the American Founders’ universal belief that limited government provides the best security for our inalienable rights. He also shared their keen awareness of the dangers posed by government that exceeds those limits; of the desires of ambitious leaders to increase their own power and, correspondingly, the people’s dependency, by offering to care and provide for them; and of the threats that consolidated and centralized power invariably pose to liberty. He knew, as the Founders knew, that it’s not a question of if such power will diminish liberty, but of how much it will diminish it.
Even President Obama has inadvertently admitted as much, having declared when pitching his health care overhaul in September that “our predecessors … understood that there are instances when the gains in security from government action are not worth the added constraints on our freedom.” This quote is telling, for it implicitly betrays the president’s awareness that the price of increased government action is, indeed, decreased freedom. He just thinks it’s worth it. Of course, that’s easy to say when one’s own freedom would not be reduced, while one’s own power and glory would be increased.
Throughout the health care debate, we, the American people, have weighed these considerations and have made it abundantly clear that we do not think the gains in security from the president’s health care overhaul are remotely worth the added constraints on our freedom — through higher costs, higher deficits, and, most of all, greater federal government control over us. Nor has this been an expression of far right paranoia. Rather, polls continue to show that Americans in the center of the political spectrum oppose this legislation even more so than Americans as a whole — a remarkable thing. Across the months, in every way we know how, we the people have made it clear: this is not at all what we want.
So you and I now face a choice. We can sit by while legislation that was passed in clear defiance of our will is now allowed to diminish our liberty. We can sit by while it puts “added constraints on our freedom” in a manner that we, and our fellow citizens, did not ask for and do not desire. Or we can repeal it.
As Bill Kristol has rightly argued, the road to repeal will be simple, but it won’t be easy. Furthermore, it will be long: three years. But it’s a road we must travel — and, though hard, it will be far easier than the path traveled by other patriots from Lexington to Independence Hall, from Pearl Harbor to V-J Day, from Fort Sumter to the signing of the Voting Rights Act. Let us join with those who have previously fought for liberty, and let us win this present battle against those who now seek to deprive our liberty from within, just as — only 19 months after Madison’s death — Lincoln warned us would happen.
This government is now a tyranny, whether soft, hard, or however you wish to typify it. While the essay provides a plan at the macro level, I believe Conservatives must to more than simply vote and then wait for their elected officials to do something.
I believe the time has come for peaceful civil disobedience at the personal/micro level.
Here is an example:
When the time comes to pay for Obamacare on your federal tax return, do the following…
- declare the amount for Obamacare
- do not enclose that amount
- instead, set aside the money in an escrow account
- note on the return that you are declaring but not paying, including details of the escrow account
- try to engage a Conservative law firm (such as the American Center for Law & Justice ACLJ) to provide legal aid, or at last check with your local Tea Party to obtain pertinent advice.
For decades the left has had the cojones to get themselves arrested for their beliefs.
Can Conservatives do any less?
Please note, regarding my prior post on peaceful civil disobedience, the subject and example was meant for speculation and discussion purposes only, and was not meant in any way to promote breaking the law.
I think with the popularity of Chuck Norris, the moral and political values he holds, and his straight forward, tell it like it is attitude we really should get him into office. (see the petition at http://chucknorris2012.com) He has all of the above, and from reading his column on wnd you can tell he is offering the solutions already!
My friend just recieved a letter from her insurance company offering free medical screening under the new Obamacare health insurance guarantee law in order to begin the practice of the prevention of illness for her and her family.
And you want to repeal this law against the American People and their families? I do not understand it and I do not think many politicians will be adopting that as part of their campaigns this year. You do? I do not understand that.
There will probably be Confederate apologists posting replies here claiming that the descent into tyranny which began in the 1890′s and which picked up terrible speed with Wilson’s administration did in fact began with Lincoln. I’ll ask them ahead of time, name the power the federal gov’t claimed to have after the war which it didn’t have before the war?
They won’t be able to.
Lincoln acted solely with the goal of preserving the Constitution as it was–a goal fully in keeping with his oath of office–to which the Confederacy was a treasonous enemy.
What the Civil War was about was that the oligarchy which ruled the South and which had had a preeminent place in the national body politic wanted to stay the biggest fish in their pond, and they set out to make their pond smaller to do it. They did treason to allegiances they did owe.
And were well paid.
I like the short version of our rendezvous with destiny better.
1. Throw all of the bastards out of office.
2. Intensively educate the morons that elected them.
3. Never sit on our asses and let this kind of mess happen again.
“her insurance company offering free medical screening ”
there is no free lunch. the premiums will go up.
“• Requires private insurance plans to cover, at no charge, most preventive care (plan years beginning 9/23/10)”
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What “health care debate”? As far as I and others see, conservatives and right wingers reached up deep to throw whatever BS they could find and hoped some of it would stick, thanks to somewhat less than helpful reporting. The end result is that you ended up with the vast bulk of health care professionals supporting Obama’s plan because they actually know what’s going on, and on the other side a yet again a very confused general public.
‘Real reform’?
What Republican idea would give us ‘real reform’?
Single payer?
Next time … VOTE!! Obama was elected by 30% of the electorate because so many didn’t bother.
Poor Citizen,
The part about your friend getting screening is not the issue. The issue is who pays. If you friend pays for her screening fine. If I pay of her or anyone else besides myself and my family’s then it is theft. Please don’t try the “What about the poor” argument. If she has a cell phone, cable TV, a car with payments she isn’t poor she just made choices with how to spend her money. I wish to do the same with my money.
If we want to repeal Obamacare, let us begin the process of seeking a Constitutional amendment making health care a matter reserved for the individual states. Among the advantages of such a system are:
1) Federal Medicare taxes and Medicaid subsidies monies will be divided among the state so that the “lockbox” cannot be raided. That will immediately reduce the size of the Federal government.
2) People can move from state to state based upon the availability of care.
3) Some states will get it “right” and others will then be able to follow. That is, there will be a mechanism for self-correction unavailable in the Federal monopoly.
Re Jerry on Constitutional amendment
4) A Constitutional amendment will make the Supreme Court’s job quite easy. It will also make the Constitution a working document again, not something that can be ignored because it only deals with “negative” rights.
5) Such an amendment regarding health care will provide a model for later emasculation of the Federal government should it again try to overstep its reach for total control.
I can see Obama ’12 bumper stickers now…”Vote for Obama or you are a Racist”
#6 3 steps you’re out – YES!!!
I’m seeing a lot of commentary that, based on the legislative language, the individual mandate is not really enforceable. Is that accurate? If so, doesn’t that automatically provoke a civil disobedience movement since it would be simply rational to not buy insurance and not pay the fine if the IRS can’t force you to pay it and the unpaid amount(s) would not accrue interest or lead to any criminal or civil penalties?
4. Poor Citizen:
My friend just recieved a letter from her insurance company …
None of this has even kicked in yet, so how is it you fascists are already getting your free lunch? Simple, you, your parasite friend, Obama, Pelosi, Reid and all the rest of your anti-American ilk are liars. And yep we’re all about REPEAL THE BILL!
I do not understand that.
Please don’t make us list all the things you “do not understand”. We’ll be here until nearly the end of the century.
While we work to repeal the health care takeover bill, we should already be introducing simple bills to act on individual items such as tort reform, restrictions on buying insurance across state lines and all the other desired changes. Don’t wait for repeal before starting proactive change. These bills have no common ground.
Tom Perkins (5)
Actually, the ending of the Civil War is when the democrat plan for all encompassing Federal tyranny began. The same elite who began a war rather give up their slaves realized that they couldn’t make the pond smaller and would, instead, have to enslave all those shabby immigrants and unrealistic idealists like those who had formed the Republican Party. Whether supporting the crown during the Revolution or seceding from the Union to start a Civil War, democrats remain constant in their belief that they have every right to rule others and should do whatever it takes to assert that right.
The democrat party is the party of slavery, sedition, secession, civil war, KKK terrorism, Jim Crow laws, eugenics laws, anti-Semitic immigration restrictions in response to Nazi Nuremberg laws, Stalin worshipers, the welfare plantation system, voter fraud, voter intimidation, and the eugenics driven mass murder of minority infants. The democrat party has to be so thoroughly destroyed as a national political party that it is no longer a factor in national politics. Any individual who refuses to support less than ‘pure’ Republican alternatives over their pet peeve, sits out elections or votes third party, or does anything else that keeps themselves or others from helping to rid ourselves of these parasites, is effectively in full agreement. As long we’re unconstitutionally forced drink democrat arsenic, there is no middle ground.
The democrats have, in effect, once again seceded from the Union as defined by the Constitution. They have, for all intents and purposes, reinstated what they seceded from the Union over so long ago, the right they claim have which grants them total control over the lives of others to the same degree that outright ownership of others would grant.
Regards
‘The more they appreciate their bribes with government money the more the general populace will appreciate this monsterous entitlement bill’, so says the spin doctors of the socialist left.
This is about redistribution.
Health insurance is a bad deal no matter how you slice it. The healthy will always be subsidizing the fat lazy sugar and alcohol guzzling sluggards. I refuse.
I can pay for most of what I need and if it comes to needing major surgery or cancer .. I’l just die like God intended. No society on earth can afford to give all its members ultimate-cover-everything health care. It’s impossible. It simply costs more than can be produced.
While the nation burns,the lefties run for the marshmallows.
Paul Ryan meets all the criteria listed. Ryan for President 2012
On a more practical note, I would agree to constitutional amendments that:
Limit the governments capacity to increase deficits
Re-assert state’s rights, expecially in commerce
Make the attorney general an independent and elected official instead of a political hack who selectively and politically enforces the laws according to his party’s agenda.
@ 4. Poor Citizen:
Not only are we going to repeal this marxist monstrosity. When we do so we will have the numbers to put in place several Constitutional Amendments insuring you free loaders will no longer be able to vote and steal from the productive and decent People of America.
No representation without taxation.. you do not pay, you have no say.
Poor Citizen: “My friend just received a letter from her insurance company offering free medical screening….”
Typical leftist fantasy world thinking. Her insurance company is offering nothing for free. They will simply transfer the economic responsibility to someone else. Free health care will never exist. Somebody will have to pay and if you think stealing the work product of a productive majority to fund health care for all is a long term solution, you are clueless. In addition, she and everyone will pay more in the long run because there is no incentive to make better economic decisions.
Not to mention, once all of this disaster sets in, her “free” screening will be available after she climbs the waiting list (she should be good and sick by that time) and as long as she is not in a group the bureaucrats deem unworthy.
If you want to commit economic suicide, please find a way to do it to yourself and leave the rest of us alone.
Eggs Ackley Fantom,
I’ve been saying much the same for decades but its a fantasy. Its far too late. We’d have to have a civil war, or the like minded would have to secede and even then the new nation would not have the guts to go back to the original constitution and early amendments. It all really started to go down hill when they gave women the vote.
The hard fact is we are too soft to do what is right and reasonable.
A clean sweep of Congress – this November, and again in 2012.
Paul Ryan for president – 2012.
And a determined eagle eye on all our politicians from this moment forward.
24. nofreelunch:
That’s the guy I pieced together, too. He says he’s not interested, so we’ll have to draft him. I’m sending him a postcard today.
Oh, and I’m also sending notes to Kyl, Cornyn, and Enzi, with Ezra Klein’s quote. I’ll also send letters to the editors of every damn paper in their states urging that they be voted out in favor of a conservative with guts instead of with an incumbency to propagate.
Repeal Obamacare? Maybe a first step. How about finance reform, student loan reform, cap&tax? Do you all realize that Congress is on schedule to pass over 60,000 new laws again this year, adding to the similar number of new laws passed last year? About what? We’ve already got millions of laws. Remember, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Certainly supports the burgeoning legal enforcement system.
I’d suggest we need to radically diminish the lawmaking machinery that automates our enslavement. Prosecute “pork” as the criminal activity it is. Theft.
How about a couple of reasonable rule changes:
_ Institute an easy and straightforward “recall mechanism”
- Every legislator must be present to vote YES on any bill – no exceptions
- By casting their vote (yea or nay), the lawmaker swears under oath and attests they have personally read AND understand the legislation (take as long as you need to fulfill that requirement)
- Loser pays in civil suits
The Republicans are already saying they want to repeal Health Care Reform. Good luck with that (like they repealed Social Security and Medicare). Anyway, I thought of some good bumper stickers. Sound bites are always a good way to communicate complex issues to unsophisticated minds, so here are some suggestions for the Republican campaign to repeal health care in November.
“Bring Back Preexisting Conditions NOW!”
“I want my Medicare Donut Hole Back!”
“I’m a tough Tea Part Conservative with Cancer. Please rescind my insurance policy”
The Republicans are already saying they want to repeal Health Care Reform. Good luck with that (like they repealed Social Security and Medicare). Anyway, I thought of some good bumper stickers. Sound bites are always a good way to communicate complex issues to unsophisticated minds, so here are some suggestions for the Republican campaign to repeal health care in November.
“Bring Back Preexisting Conditions NOW!”
“I want my Donut Hole Back!”
“I’m a Tough Tea Party Conservative with Cancer. Please rescind my insurance policy”
Poor Citizen,
I think you act the role of fabulist a great deal on this site. Whether it’s because you haven’t a clue or because you are an inveterate liar is still unclear. Anyway, as has been pointed out to you, your statement in #4 makes no sense so soon after the bill passed. Should have saved that tall tale for at least a month or so.
BC,
How utterly obtuse you are to think that anybody is bothering to consider your cites any longer. You are the most one-dimensional and easily debunked political spinner on this site. For a guy who touts his own intellectual prowess so tiresomely, you seem to have no slightest compunction about referencing sites designed to appeal to the most easily programmable and dependably robotic of the progressive cannon fodder.
Giving skeezixs some credit, at least he revels in being a stupid a$$hole. You two don’t even realize you are.
Praetorian,
Gotta better one for you:
I’d Rather Die Than Submit To All Your Libtard Crap! and ( I don’t mean that in a pacifist way, punk. )
Once again, this about health control not heath care. Why are the leftys not concerned that the President and Congress exempt themselves from this health control bill? Do they think they will be elected?
It is amazing to what these people have no qualms or guilt about sucking their neighbors dry. Parasite at least let the host continue living. These buggers will not quit until we are dead.
Here’s another one: a rule that states that all bills under consideration must be read aloud after all amendments have been voted upon and before the vote for final passage. Not only will this force Congresscritters to read the bill, but it will also discourage long bills that will take several days to read aloud.
As for 2012: Huckabee for President, Ryan for Vice. Ryan can run for President in 2020 after gaining executive experience as VP
33/34 Praetorian,
Your ignorance is showing.
“like they repealed Social Security and Medicare”
Both had bipartisan support. Didn’t know that did you? Not covered in the memo? Next, make the claim that the republicans stood in the way of Civil Rights reform. I always get a kick out of that.
Obama’s whole agenda would be risible were it not for the danger the brain dead progressive cannon fodder like yourself, Poor Citizen, BC and so on present when you cluck and nod like chickens over every new assault.
I have faith that the American people will make their true feelings known at the ballot box this November and throw most of the democrats out of office. I don’t really see a difference these days between Democrats and the ultra socialist/communist left in this country, and to me they are now one and the same. How sad is it that a more conservative democrat like John Kennedy probably could not even get the nomination from his own party today. Perhaps the worse sin (or crime, depending how you look at it)Obama is guilty of was claiming during the election that he was a “centerist” democrat and that he would “reach across the isle” to usher in a new era of bipartisanship. What lies, what huge, utter, lies. The country is more divided than ever and Obama has made it plain that he is a far-left socialist.
Those who oppose Obama, Pelosi, and Reid will remain firm and will show their anger at the ballot boxes this fall. It will be a wave of citizens sweeping conservatives into office and stopping this socialist madness that is spending our country into oblivion. Can we do it? You bet we can and the democrats, deep down, know it too. Why do you think they are so desperate now to try and “sell” Obamacare to the public? Because they know it was a horrible bill and that it will cost this country a fortune for generations to come. I just hope we have enough time left to undo the damage done by these gutless, selfish, socialist democrats.
Hang in there, America, only about seven months until we chart a new course for freedom.
#40 said: “Those who oppose Obama, Pelosi, and Reid will remain firm and will show their anger at the ballot boxes this fall.”
One thing that you conservative fascists overlook when you cite polls showing opposition to HCR is that about half of those opposed oppose it because HCR didn’t go far enough, so these people are not by any means in your teabagging camp. You’re in for a big surprise in November. Democrats will retain control of both chambers and Obama will be reelected in 2012. People like me and many other energized Democrats (not that they’re getting stuff done) will be donating money and knocking on doors to make sure that happens. Besides, once people begin to realize how they’re going to benefit from HCR, you won’t be able to pry that vote out of their hand with a crowbar. But that’s what you’re really afraid of right?
We will fight you and beat you. We’re in this for the long haul. All we have to do is wait you out really. Your demographic is dying off. Comments like yours are merely death rattles.
22 and 28scott:
That is where I am. Why start getting HC now?
Might even start drinking again!
We are all a bunch of whiners. Me included.
34. Praetorian:
The Republicans are already saying they want to repeal Health Care Reform. Good luck with that (like they repealed Social Security and Medicare). Anyway, I thought of some good bumper stickers. Sound bites are always a good way to communicate complex issues to unsophisticated minds, so here are some suggestions for the Republican campaign to repeal health care in November.
“Bring Back Preexisting Conditions NOW!”
“I want my Donut Hole Back!”
“I’m a Tough Tea Party Conservative with Cancer. Please rescind my insurance policy”
Mar 29, 2010 – 9:50 am
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It wasn’t funny the first time you posted it, either! Dipstick Letterman’s top ten list is in no danger from the likes of you. November is right around the corner! Getting nervous yet?
#41 mistakingly claims that:
“You’re in for a big surprise in November. Democrats will retain control of both chambers and Obama will be reelected in 2012.”
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Polling suggests otherwise! Dyslexia seems to run rampant among diseased liberals, but go ahead, make an appointment and get in line. Obamacare will see you in exactly…
Hey, Praetorian #47, too bad when the conservatives get back in power they’ll throw you and your ilk off the public welfare rolls and you’ll have to find a real job, instead of mooching off the state, which is what people like you want to do under Obama. And please, please stop mouthing those empty and false talking points from MoveOn.org. It gets boring after a while. There was not one, not a single poll that showed the supporters of Obamacare in the majority. Not one, ever. Deal with it. I hope you’re energized, mac, because you’re going to need a lot of engergy to try and convince anyone that Obamacare is a success. Four YEARS of taxes before anyone sees any major benefits, that sure makes sense. Oh, but we WILL see our premiums go up (that is, for those of us who still have jobs under Obama) and we will see a mass exodus of doctors leaving family care. And just wait until those big corporations like John Deere and AT&T start laying people off because they can’t afford paying the health insurance anymore. Good going, moron. I sure would hate to see what you guys call a success.
And you have the stones to say, “We will fight you and beat you. We’re in this for the long haul. All we have to do is wait you out really.” That’s the standard battle cry of the communist party, chum. They also thought they could stick around for the “long haul,” and they ended up LOSING the Cold War. The communists also thought they could “fight and beat” us, and we all know how THAT ended up. You’re going to end up on the trash heap of history, bud, just like your communist friends did, so you’d better get used to failure right now. Bring it on, chum, bring it on. On the battlefield of ideas, you people always lose.
#44 fireyourguns wrote: “Polling suggests otherwise!”
Polls are always infallible when they support what they want you to believe. When the don’t support what you want to believe they’re a conspiracy by the main stream media. I would break down the polls a bit more if I were you. The support you think you have isn’t so clear. A lot of people are against HCR because it didn’t have a public option. Those are Democratic voters who will come around. They certainly won’t bolt to your side. All we have to do is outnumber you.
“Besides, once people begin to realize how they’re going to benefit from HCR, you won’t be able to pry that vote out of their hand with a crowbar. ”
Praetorian has a point. And we witness the death of our democracy.
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury.”
#45 libertyship wrote: “You’re going to end up on the trash heap of history, bud, just like your communist friends did, so you’d better get used to failure right now. Bring it on, chum, bring it on. On the battlefield of ideas, you people always lose.”
Sinclar Lewis said that “when fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag waving a cross” Pretty much sums up your views. You haven’t any clue what liberty or freedom means. Freedom for you means bending over and taking it in the a$$ from the insurance companies when they rescind your coverage. Liberty for you means being a good little grunt and letting insurance CEOs profit by denying care (we have death panels now!). I can guarantee you that me and my friends have FAR more energy to knock on WAY more doors than your old white geriatric a$$ (that’s probably on Social Security and Medicare). You have a much steeper hill to climb. We just have to keep things in place. Got that sinking feeling yet, fascist?
Praetorian: “Your demographic is dying off.”
What demographic is that? The productive demographic?
Sorry, I was responding to Praetorian #41, but since he also mouthed off in #46, just remember that you cannot point to a single poll, not one, where the majority supported Obamacare. Not one. The American people can smell a dead skunk a mile away and you,friend, represent the smelliest one of all, a big lie. But don’t worry. I’m sure MoveOn.org and George Soros will keep you and your kind employed for a bit longer, chump.
New poll 50% support HCR (27% as is, and 23% expand existing bill). 47% oppose bill
With numbers like this your going to have a very, very, very, very, very, hard time with a repeal effort.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/29/rel6a.pdf
New poll finds that 50% support HCR (27% leave existing bill alone and 23% expand existing bill). 47% oppose. Looks like you’re gonna have a very, very, very, very, very hard time with your repeal efforts. And let’s not forget about the USA Today poll. They are a shifting!
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/29/rel6a.pdf
from the article: “That’s because opposition to the new law comes in many different forms and not all of them benefit the GOP,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Some Americans continue to say that they disapprove of the bill because they want even more government involvement in health care than the bill created. Only a quarter are against the entire bill; one in three support at least a few proposals in the new law. And a handful of Americans appear to dislike the bill but don’t want Congress to spend any more time on health care.”
You can always go to old finger on the scale Rasmussen to tell you what you want to hear.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/29/cnn-poll-americans-divided-on-repealing-health-care-law/?fbid=Fc8JCmwqBfs&hpt=Sbin
Since we’re talking about Constitutional Amendments, how about one that prevents the Federal government from directly taxing the income of individuals, and from any government at any level from REQUIRING an individual to report his income. The 5th amendment needs to apply to the tax code; the burden of proof should be on the government.
Let the Feds tax the states and let the states tax their residents/businesses in whatever way they see fit. That way, the cart might be back behind the horse where it belongs.
Do not doubt that Obama has a plan for his reelection in 2012, and we have not yet seen its implementation. It will not be as easy as some think to depose him. HE is very confident His tactics are very close to those of Hugo Chavez, but more sophisticated. We must stay focused and we must educate the rest of the public as to who he really is – an anti-American, a communist, and an Islamic sympathizer; in effect an anti-American mole with powerful backing.
Praetorian
“Your demographic is dying off.”
Conservative producers are certainly under assault by the progressives in power and their vapid followers like yourself. But they are pissed off, not dying off.
Go door to door in the fall. You got the time anyway. See what it gets you.
“You’re in for a big surprise in November. Democrats will retain control of both chambers”
Can we bank on this like we did your prediction that Coakley would rout Brown is Mass? Who do you think brought that about? A dying off demographic? The producers that populate the hi tech belt in Mass?
I’ll make my prediction in turn. You and the rest of the progressive cannon fodder are going to have a gay old time revisiting your 2002-2008 childish raging at conservatives for another 8 to 12 years after this November.
I wish you all the enjoyment you et from it.
Hey Praetorian, #52, are you insane? On page 2 of the CNN poll that you yourself cited, 42% of the people said they approve of Obamacare and 56% of the people said they disapproved!!!! This is your own poll that you cited!!! And this is a poll released today, bud, AFTER the bill was passed. People like you really do need some help, they really do. Just shows how far communists like you will go to distort the truth. But I’m not surprised, though, because that’s all the left and Democrats (actually, what’s the difference) did throughout this whole debate, they lied and distorted the truth. God, I can’t believe how silly and small people like you can be. You can’t even lie well.
Also, 50% is not a majority.
A powerful cartoon showing “Congressional Abuse” and what it is doing to Liberty in this country at http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/category/liberty/
I’ll ask them ahead of time, name the power the federal gov’t claimed to have after the war which it didn’t have before the war?
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The power to declare a voluntary association of states to be an involuntary association of states. Once the Federal government declared it’s power to enter a state to correct a great wrong it gained the power to enter a state to do any old thing it pleased.
There can be no fixes to Obamacare. The strategy must be repeal and replace.
The filibuster is dead. The Democrats can never be trusted to respect it. A Republican Senate can change the rules or repeal Obamacare under the reconciliation process.
Medicaid costs for the states will explode requiring huge state tax increases. The states should consider dropping out of Medicaid entirely and using the funds saved to open walk-in public health clinics for the poor and to subsidize the purchase of insurance on the exchanges for people with expensive medical conditions. The prospect of this will help drive repeal.
It looks like there are no enforcement mechanisms for the mandate. We should help people understand that they don’t have to have insurance until they get sick but they should count on the costs of insurance going through the roof when they need to buy a policy.
The Democrat tyrants in Congress will not end well for them in November. America rejects tyranny & will expect a sea change back from the Left from Obama & the Democrats’ overreach.
The “fixes” for ObamaCare is repeal & replace. Period.
President Obama & the Democrats will not have ObamaCare as a monument to himself, but it will be a tombstone for the Democrat Party. “Democrat” is going to become a four-letter word thanks to ObamaCare.
There is a way to change all of this besides voting in November 2010. The playbook has been in our hands all along. It was utilized in the beginnings of this country by a people who also felt powerless, overtaxed, not heard, and not represented but seen only as a form of revenue. The answer? THE BOYCOTT. Let me
give you an example. I hope this reaches the eyes of Brietbart. Sick of the network state controlled pravda media and offensive programming ? Want to change this with in one week? Then do this. Starting on May 1, 2010, 50 million viewers cancell their cable tv service for one business quarter..that is 3 months. Multiply the average bill of 54 dollars a month by 50 million! Do I need to explain just how powerful that would be? Sick of it, then turn it off..stop giving them your money…stop buying their crap! Sick of the universities? Want change? Pull your kid out of college for one semester. It will not ruin his life.
Can you imagine the power if just 20 percent of their student base did not show up at 80 percent of the colleges in this country? Can this work? You bet it can! What is the most unique aspect of the middle class? They pay the nations bills, the tax burden, they are the largest demographic, and they work. Use that power.Do you have the will?
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That’s right; people need to quit feeding the beast then bitching about it breathing down their necks.
I’ve said before, people need to pick a week, plan a bit, then don’t work, don’t go out of the house to do anything for a whole week. Buy no gasoline, don’t buy fast food, just sit at home and let the retail stores, restaurants, and everything else go without sales for a week. What kind of crimp will that put in state taxes and Federal taxes? The left thinks they have a lock on any kind of “action” but they don’t, they never have had. They’ve just had a lock on getting their paid demonstrators on television. The same number of people who have participated in Tea Party events would be sufficient to shut down a huge portion of the economy. Democrats are counting on the fact that their opposition always grits their teeth and deals with adversity. Don’t let them profit from your ability to keep going in spite of them. I really like the idea of dropping cable or dish TV for a quarter. There’d be so many companies surveying and scrambling to get subscribers back that they’d drop CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and anything else people said they were sick of just to get back in service. All these companies have to service their debt and have to worry about share prices. If people even spent a single month without those services it would have a huge impact.
Regards
To Just Passing Through: Correct me if I’m wrong, I seem to recall you and the other would be “debunkers” keep getting spanked, not because I’m so brilliant but because you guys are so, sooo… wrong, and that your logic and cites are so, sooo…. dumb.
BC,
What exactly do I correct here? Your baseless contention that you spanked ‘debunkers’? I used to visit your cites until I realized that they were the worthless maunderings of other Bozos in lockstep with your own.
YOU have been ‘spanked’ repeatedly every time I’ve seen you attempt to prove your brilliance. One good example, and the one that consigned you to the bozo bin in my mind, was the argument you tried to make to discredit Dr Tipler’s exposure of Lawrence Tribe’s asinine article in the HLR. You were risible in your attempt to act like you had a clue about either physics or the process and interrelations of scientific inquiry that lead to established theories.
Another example was the entertaining exchange you had with another commenter after Brown won the Mass senate seat. You spun and twisted like a demented hula dancer trying to claim that everyone outside RT128 was an ignorant redneck who handed Brown the election because they were incapable of understanding the issues as well as the ‘smart’ urbanites you hang with at the Cambridge cafes.
I think your ‘recall’ is as faulty, filtered, and programmed as the underlying cognition that provides it.
You’re a fraud, BC. For your information, I’m an engineering consultant, live in Cambridge, and work as many contracts outside RT128 as I within and in and around MIT and Kenmore. I’ve seen no difference in the intelligence, sophistication, or awareness and understanding of political issues in the people I work with in either area. Stress the people I work with. They are most assuredly not the soft science, pseudo science, or social science drones you run with. I have found that the producer types either inside Rt128 or outside Rt128, the ones with the type of education that taught them to think, the ones who learned enough to know that everything is not relative and that there ARE absolutes…in other words the people who matter…not only do not agree with you, but consider your type of sloppy progressive sophomoric clowns. They’re the ones rolling their eyes at the next table when they overhear you and your friends chatting.
Get out of Cambridge. You haven’t the intellectual wherewithal to resist the asshat Harvard Square crowd. If you aren’t already a hopelessly useless tool, you soon will be if you don’t.
Good cartoon on “redistributing the wealth” and Obamacare at http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/category/health-care/
What Republican idea would give us ‘real reform’?
I guessed NO ONE had any ideas.
As always, vivo, you guessed wrong. This isn’t 2000+ pages long but it would in fact bring about REAL reform without moving relentlessly towards the failing socialist systems of Europe.
http://demint.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=0db98529-0230-3564-0e4b-fe84bdb1971b
Naturally, since you can’t be bothered with actually looking around you just made an ass of yourself once again.
According to you bright senator, repealing health care is ‘reform’.
It’s the same as if you open a checking account at a major bank, but you are afraid to make deposits or write checks because you don’t know how banks operate. Total paranoia.
Eventually, once the system starts working, people will like it and won’t be able to get enough of it. How many Republicans and conservatives are using Medicare? Stiff right-wingers that I know use it all the time and never complain about it. You know what this makes out of them . . .
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Boycotts have to be sustained to have any impact. For example, if people pull their kids out of college for one semester, and then the kids return afterwards, the college loses nothing. The students will most likely stay an extra semester to make up for what they missed. They would essentially just be pushing back their graduation a semester. Same thing with spending – see the ridiculous “Don’t buy gas this Wednesday! Send a message to the EEEEvil oil companies!” protests of a few years ago. All that did was change the day of the week participants bought their gas. Boycotts cannot have an end date; if they do, they simply don’t work.
Having said that, I think you have some good candidates for a sustained boycott. Especially cable companies – TV is still available free with an antenna, so it wouldn’t even be much of a sacrifice.
To Just Passing Through: Well you get points for trying to make an effort — let’s see how far you get though:
BC,
What exactly do I correct here? Your baseless contention that you spanked ‘debunkers’? I used to visit your cites until I realized that they were the worthless maunderings of other Bozos in lockstep with your own.
Let’s see how I didn’t spank….
YOU have been ’spanked’ repeatedly every time I’ve seen you attempt to prove your brilliance. One good example, and the one that consigned you to the bozo bin in my mind, was the argument you tried to make to discredit Dr Tipler’s exposure of Lawrence Tribe’s asinine article in the HLR.
Ah, yes the PJM article that was titled: “Obama vs. Einstein” even though it was an 1989 essay written by Laurence Tribe, who used the transition of the firm classical mechanics of Newton’s time to the probabilistic uncertainties of modern quantum theory especially in the way time and space gets altered shaped by the “presence and movement of objects” as a metaphor for how law and the decision of judges affect so many things outside the case at hand. Some dude name Tipler conflated more than Obama with Tribe, and dutifully sorted things out.
If that’s not your idea of getting spanked, then, well….
Gotta run, a social life awaits. If you want more, you know where to post….
According to GOP Tennessee Senator Bob Corker, Health Care Reform won’t be repealed. He lists several logistical reasons why, but don’t take my word for it. The repeal meme is just being used to rally the teabagger crowd and keep them energized till November (good luck!). This isn’t much different from how they use abortion to rally the religious right, but we all know that abortion will NEVER be overturned. But the useful idiots buy into it. Go figure.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/corker-health-care-wont-be-repealed.php?ref=fpblg
besides, The whole “repeal!” crap was to edify the mouthbreathers over at RedState and PJ Media. Even morans like Eric Cantor realize that running on a platform of “we need to empower corporate insurers to screw over dying cancer patients!” is a losing proposition. I, however, look forward with glee to the GOP doing just that!
Obamacare needs to be repealed for what it is; but mainly it needs to be repealed to say to any one political group that the most fundamental law of our land is “consent of the governed”. Every wise president comes to terms with this underlying fabric of our American society sooner or later. Surely an increasing number of Americans will come to see Obama’s prideful disdain of McCain: “I was elected”, as unadorned personal arrogance. Personally, as a WWII vet, in honor of those who fought and did not survive, and in protest of Obamacare,I intend to put my Liberty Bell stamp; my US Flag stamp, et al upside down on all my correspondence until we reclaim the freedom that the so-called “greatest generation” fought and died for. I cherish that freedom for my children & grandchildren. Throughout history, for similar social moves as Obamacare, the next step has been and just now may be near: “We don’t need your consent right now, peasant, we have Madam Pelosi’s or as the “isms” of WWII said: “Oh, we’ll get your consent when we need it; our enforcers (Red Shirts, Storm Troopers) just don’t need or have time to get your consent right now!
71. BC:
This is sad. You numbskull, did you even read the comment that followed yours in the obama-vs-einstein thread? You pointed any reader to evidence confirming the perception of you as a pompous jack@$$ without even realizing it. They needn’t even search through that comment thread. It’s already laid out for them. I honestly can’t fathom why you continue to cite information that blows yourself out of the water. Maybe you’re resigned to the fact that your cites are being largely ignored, and so feel safe to toss them out in some feel good self-esteem way?
Your ‘dutifully fully sorted things out’ link in #71 above points to a comment in the obama-vs-einstein thread immediately followed by mine where I point out the irrelevancy of each point you made. Each one. Didn’t cherry pick. And in my comment I specifically listed the comments you originally made to drag you back to defending the disconnects between what you’d originally said and your closing spin. I did that purposefully because when arguing with someone so sophomoric, its important to continuously force them back on point or they’ll never learn a thing. I’ll let any reader still bothering to track this thread to visit the other thread through the links you yourself provide in #71. Let’s see what the casual reader consensus is on what exactly it is that you spanked.
To Just Passing Through: Gawd….are you really “goy,” but with salad dressing? Your original reply was, well, stupid and evasive and not worth bothering with.
And you’re being just a dopey and evasive here. The article was and is titled, “Obama vs. Einstein” even though it was attacking a 1989 essay written by Laurence Tribe, not Obama. Obama’s only connection is that he was a research assistant. That by itself marked the article as being no more than another
numbnutted right wing attack on Obama and there was really no need to bother further. But as I again correctly posted, the Tipler dude who wrote it goes out of his way to attack Tribe (and via the made-up article title, Obama) in an utterly besides the point manner by disingenuously conflating original Newtonian classical mechanics with add-ons to it by Elie Cartan a couple of hundred years later. Tipler completely missed the metaphorical point of Tribe’s article to instead head off on some bizarre tangent about how Tribe should have known “Newtonian gravity is curvature” and other utterly besides the point BS in an indirect attack on Obama.
It was an utterly craptastic article and you defending at all speaks loads about *your* supposed expertise and integrity. So as with goy, shoo.
BC,
‘disingenuously conflating original Newtonian classical mechanics with add-ons to it by Elie Cartan a couple of hundred years later.’
That you can continue to make this claim after it was pointed out to you multiple times by multiple posters in that thread that Dr Tipler did no such thing is a stunning admission of your ignorance concerning scientific inquiry, process, and theory. The fact that you consider yourself in any slightest way capable of going head to head with Dr Tipler, or even capable of articulating a valid critique of his article is ludicrous. You seem to be one of those smug fellows too utterly convinced of your own smartness to see just how sloppy a thinker you really are. I don’t see them in my professional life. I doubt Dr Tipler does either. They’re incapable of contributing.
In the obama vs einstein thread I gave you several opportunities early on to save face. It was obvious that you both misread the article, have no technical or scientific background, were obviously just viscerally reacting to what you saw as an assault on Obama, and as a result beclowned yourself. You wouldn’t take the outs, but preferred to argue against your own strawmen. As I pointed out in that thread, it is impossible to keep you focused. I don’t think that you’ve ever been trained to think, just to listen. It’s why it weas obvious to me in that thread, and I did point that out then, that whatever your educational background is, it is not in science or engineering, nor has it taught you critical thinking.
The record stands for itself in that thread, (and others). You aren’t going to see the conclusions obvious to the casual reader concerning your sophomoric need to appear to be smarter than everyone you consider ‘right wing’. You’re utterly convinced of your own intellectual superiority over conservatives and I’m sure your friends reinforce that delusion on a daily basis. That you think you are doesn’t matter in the least. It never matters in the real world. What matters there, what gives one intellectual credentials, is whether other people well-versed in the subject at hand think of your treatment of it.
And that is that you are sublimely ignorant.
To Just Passing Through: Gawd….. here, do this: go find where Newton said space is curved and then get back to me. Knock yourself out.
BC,
WHAT???
What exactly do you think to accomplish by tossing out that strawman? No one with a reasonable command of english would take the impression from the einstein thread that Dr Tipler, or anyone else in that thread, said or implied that Newton said that. With the obvious exception of yourself. I would expect a middle schooler to have better reading comprehension than you seem to have.
For your next beclowning, here is the cut and paste of the exact text from the article where Dr Tipler first mentioned Newton:
‘In Newtonian theory, gravity is space-time curvature just as it is in general relativity.’
Note, you moron, that Dr Tipler does NOT claim that Newton said this. Why? Dr Tipler eats dinner with Nobel Prize winning Physicists. Physicists cut their teeth on Newtonian Mechanics. Only a clueless fool like yourself would pretend differently. To continue:
‘The fact that Newtonian gravity is curvature just like Einsteinian gravity was established by the greatest geometer of the twentieth century, the French mathematician Elie Cartan, in the year 1922′
Why was this only established hundred of years later? Newton didn’t have the math to express the idea of curvature of space that was implicit in Newtonian mechanics.
Which, you imbecile, does not imply conflation of theories, nor does it imply that anyone believes that Newton said space is curved, that Dr Tipler said Newton said space is curved, nor that anyone else said it.
What it means is that Newton took it as far as the tools available to him would allow. Nothing more nor less, and no one except yourself claimed otherwise.
SO, To paraphase BC: Gawd….. here, do this: go find where anyone claimed Newton said space is curved and then get back to me. Knock yourself out.
If anybody really believes the GOP would really repeal this, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
The GOP has been on the side of compromising our rights away.
You cannot compromise with communists.
To Just Passing Through: To quote Tipler about Tribe’s paper:
The key thesis of the paper is contained in the opening sentences of its abstract: “Twentieth-century physics revolutionized our understanding of the physical world. Relativity theory replaced a view of the universe as made up of isolated objects acting upon one another at a distance with a model in which space itself was curved and changed by the presence and movement of objects. Quantum physics undermined the confidence of scientists in their ability to observe and understand a phenomenon without fundamentally altering it in the process.”
All of these sentences are completely wrong. In Newtonian theory, gravity is space-time curvature just as it is in general relativity. In fact, Einstein’s general relativity is just a special case of Newtonian gravity theory incorporating the ether. Quantum physics is also just a special case of Newtonian mechanics in its wave-particle formulation (called Hamilton-Jacobi theory) incorporating the very modest requirement that this formulation be mathematically consistent. Hamilton-Jacobi theory is deterministic, hence quantum mechanics is equally deterministic. There was absolutely nothing revolutionary about twentieth century physics. There has been no “paradigm shift” in physics. The magnificent intellectual edifice created by Isaac Newton stands unshaken.
The fact that Newtonian gravity is curvature just like Einsteinian gravity was established by the greatest geometer of the twentieth century, the French mathematician Elie Cartan, in the year 1922, before either Tribe or Obama were born. Cartan and Einstein corresponded about this mathematical fact, so Einstein — and I, and the rest of the world’s relativity experts — are aware of it, if not Obama and Tribe. A detailed mathematical proof that Newtonian gravity is curvature can be found in Gravitation, the co-authored by my teacher John A. Wheeler.
So you do admit, in a tortuous, roundabout way, that Newton knew nothing about space being curved — that bit of physics and perception came much, MUCH later. Which is the whole friggin point of Tribe’s essay when he used this as a metaphor for his essay!! Which makes Tipler’s piece utter BS since he, as I’ve kept pointing out to slack jawed incomprehension, conflates original Newtonian theory with what came about a couple of hundred years later — talk about straw man logic! Your defense of it has been more WTF?!? than than anything else.
Now shoo.
BC,
‘So you do admit, in a tortuous, roundabout way, that Newton knew nothing about space being curved — that bit of physics and perception came much, MUCH later.’
No. That is a strawman. It is not what I said in response to the question you asked. I can readily accept that you did not understand the response, but being that it was your question, you should be able to understand that. You asked that I find some reference to Newton saying space was curved. I responded, to paraphrase, that you were full of sh1t, and that no one had made any such claim. You are either simply just incapable of comprehending that, or simply just find it a useful strawman for your maundering. It was explicitly stated by Dr Tipler at one point in his article – implied elsewhere as he expected the reader to understand simple concepts – that Newton did not and why. It has never been in question except by yourself. You do not understand his article. Which is what made your inane attempts to debate points no one was making in that thread unfocused and risible.
‘Which is the whole friggin point of Tribe’s essay when he used this as a metaphor for his essay!! ‘
No, it is most assuredly not. Dr Tipler does not say it is. I don’t say it is. No one but yourself in that thread was so slack jawed stupid to think it was. And irrelevant as well, as was point out to you in the original thread. Dr Tipler was not arguing what Tribe’s point was. He was arguing, and I quote, that it shows no understanding of Einstein’s theory of relativity, or of the relationship between relativity theory and Newton’s theory. Dr Tipler found Tribe’s treatment to be laughable ignorance of physics. So do I. You, however, have not been able to grasp the point of Dr Tipler’s article. Which is that the two theories are not exclusive and that relativity theory is not an evolution in understanding that replaces Newtonian Physics, but rather the next stage.
‘Tipler’s piece utter BS since he, as I’ve kept pointing out to slack jawed incomprehension, conflates original Newtonian theory with what came about a couple of hundred years later.
Dr Tipler is a far more intellectually honest person than that fool, Tribe. Because Dr Tipler does not pretend to critique Tribe’s essay as a treatment of constitutional law, but only Tribe’s treatment of physics. You and Tribe are cut from the same cloth. You think you’re capable of arguing on any subject just because everyone you know tells you what a wicked smarty you are.
Newton’s work verged on expressing that underlying understanding of the curvature of space. He just did not possess the tools – the math – to make that expression. Einstein never questioned the validity of Newtonian Mechanics nor that that gravity is space-time curvature in Newtonian physics. Tribe does. BC does. I’m going to believe Tribe? BC?
And for the last time, Dr Tipler does not conflate the two theories. I do not think you understand conflation. You may know what the term means, but do not grasp it’s application. What’s your background? Womyn’s Studies? Had you an Intro to Science level background understanding (and enough intelligence to use it), or even ambition enough to read the second page of Dr Tipler’s article, you would have had as good an understanding of what he was saying as every other casual reader of that thread did. In which case, you would not be making the claim of conflation.
On top of all this, your unschooled insistence that your interpretation of how Dr Tipler treated the relationship between relativity theory and Newton’s theory could be in any way be consideration as a valid critique, much less accepted as a BS call, made you out as an complete jack@$$ on that front too. To repeat a point I made, Dr Tipler eats dinner with Nobel Prize winning Physicists. Physicists cut their teeth on Newtonian Mechanics. A clueless fool like yourself insisting he even understands Dr Tipler, much less question Dr Tipler’s understanding of scientific theories in physics, is farcical.
This is all, however, pointless. You are the poster boy for being an obtuse know-it-all. What’s commonly referred to as a stupid f**k. There’s no cure for that in my experience. So back in the bozo bin you go for good.
BTW: Tribe’s article would have been laughed out of consideration by any law editor for content had he not been Lawrence Tribe.
This article is so deluded as to be sad.
First, a good chunk of the bad poll numbers for the health care bill come from Democrats and liberals who don’t think the bill goes far enough. No way they’ll support a repeal and hope for the GOP to suddenly take an interest in passing reform, after ignoring it for years.
Second, the GOP bench has nobody to beat Obama in 2012. His favorable numbers, even after the draining health care debate, are 50+ percent. Better in the second year than your hero, Reagan.
Third, not only will the GOP not get 67 votes in the Senate to override an Obama veto, the GOP will never get 67 votes in the Senate. In fact, based on demographics, the GOP trajectory is downward. Even Pat Buchanan pointed this out on “Morning Joe.”
Lastly, this whole “plan” to repeal reform assumes Democrats will just passively let it happen and that Americans won’t like some of the reforms that will have already begun. Both notions are very wrong. Imagine the fun Republicans will have telling Americans they should kick sick children off health care coverage or that health care coverage is no longer a right.
Conservatives would do well to stop deluding themselves and come up with real strategies for producing responsible legislators and leaders.