It’s a done deal! It’s a slam dunk! You can just about start printing the bumper stickers for the 2012 Republican presidential ticket. For as a result of this week’s GOP debate and a Virginia legislative election, the Romney/McDonnell ticket has been solidified.
Mitt Romney, the inevitable Republican presidential nominee, has become even more so as a result of Rick Perry’s debate implosion. (Otherwise known as the “56 second brain freeze” that rocked the world.)
Romney looks and sounds presidential and is by default going to be the last man standing after Cain-mania settles down. This is not exactly pleasing to the conservative base, but there is “hope and change” coming for conservatives on the 2012 ticket and his name is Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia.
Governor McDonnell took a well-deserved victory lap this past week after helping the Republican Party of Virginia win control of both the Virginia General Assembly and Virginia Senate. This huge legislative victory, won with tea party support, catapults McDonnell right into Romney’s number two slot.
But for McDonnell, these favorable Virginia election results are only the cherry on top of the sundae. There are five other important reasons why McDonnell will be Romney’s running mate, served up for coronation at the 2012 Republican nominating convention in Tampa.
1. Governor Bob McDonnell is a conservative who conservatives trust.
McDonnell can make a Romney-topped ticket more palatable to the tea party/conservative base. The base currently does not trust Romney but with McDonnell as his VP, McDonnell can help “sell” Romney and soften the blow for conservatives nationally, while not scaring away moderate voters.
2. Virginia is a must-win-back state for the GOP.
Obama won Virginia in 2008 by 7 percentage points, but with Governor McDonnell’s high approval rating of 62%, Romney can count on him to return Virginia into the red column where it had been for forty years since 1968.
Obama will throw everything he has at Virginia but McDonnell will triumph. Already, Tuesday’s Virginia election results are considered a bad omen for Obama nationally.
3. Obama/Kaine vs. McDonnell/Allen
The race for the open U.S. Senate seat created by Democrat Jim Webb stepping down will be one of the most watched, vicious, and expensive Senate races in 2012. But not only will it be a political fight to the finish but very personal as well.
The dynamic revolves around former Virginia Governor Tim Kaine who, as governor in 2008, was one of Senator Obama’s earliest supporters and was widely credited with helping Obama turn Virginia from red to blue.
Now, Virginia governors can only serve one 4 year term, and Kaine’s term was ending in January of 2010. So after Obama was elected president, Obama thanked Kaine for his early support by appointing him to be chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in early 2009 while Kaine was still governor of Virginia.
Then, in the Virginia gubernatorial election in November of 2009, Republican Attorney General Bob McDonnell won a resounding 59% of the vote, a 17.5% point margin of victory against Democrat Creigh Deeds to whom both Obama and Kaine (as DNC head and incumbent VA governor) threw much campaign funding and personal support. McDonnell’s victory was a total embarrassment to Obama and Kaine.
Moving ahead to the 2012 election cycle, Kaine has left the DNC to run for the US Senate in Virginia against former US Senator and former Virginia Governor George Allen, who was defeated in 2006 by Jim Webb.
On Friday, November 11th a few days after his state legislative victories, Governor McDonnell endorsed George Allen, who has primary tea party opposition.
There are high hopes that George Allen will win that highly contested Virginia Senate seat, especially if the VP candidate is Governor Bob McDonnell.
President Obama, of course, will be supporting Kaine one thousand percent for two reasons. First, Obama is counting on Kaine to keep the Virginia Senate seat in the Democrat column. Second, Obama is expecting Kaine to have coat-tails going up the ballot, helping him to win Virginia again.
This all sets up an Obama/Kaine vs. McDonnell/Allen WWF style “death match.”
Oh please. Miles to go before you sleep on this one, Myra. First we have to see how Cain does: does he implode, come back, or slowly fade? Then we have to see if Perry’s goose is finally cooked, or whether he can–pardon the switch in metaphors–pull his fat out of the fire. Then we have to see if Gingrich can continue to strengthen.
If Cain implodes or fades, AND Perry’s goose is cooked, AND Gingrich does NOT strengthen———-then and only then do you get to write this column.
Miles, indeed. No matter how much the MSM tries to tear down his opponents for him, Mitt keeps bumping his pretty head on that 25% ceiling of support.
Myra’s still here! Figured she’s have moved to Germany by now – they’re ever so fit, they speak English better than we, and their government is moderation itself.
Indeed…I’m a life long Republican (as well as republican—there is a difference), I will not vote for president if Mr. Romney tops the ticket. I’ll just skip that box…and I’m a moderate in most instances.
I would like to see Herman Cain/Newt Gingrich…with Cain topping the ticket. After all, Cain understands how businesses work…something Mr. Obama has no clue about. Also, since Newt has been the only adult in the campaign, keeping his eye on Obama, and living up to Reagan’s commandment “thou shalt NOT slam another Republican,” I’d love to see him in the attack dog spot (that’s what VP’s do).
I don’t like Romney because he’s a political chameleone…just like Obama. He promises all things to everyone, depending upon what his audience is. It’s time for a change, one the “political elites” in DC haven’t annointed. Romney’s not it…he’s more of the same.
Rich Vail
Pikesville, Maryland
The Vail Spot dot Blogspot dot COm
Sorry, but not voting at all, given the dire circumstances we face at this time, is flat-out unconscionable. Just because the Republicans have the annoying habit of nominating the “next turn” candidate, there is no valid reason for doing ANYTHING that increases the chance of a second Obama term. I just can’t see any legitimate principle that trumps removing this error in 2012.
Mr. Romney might make a good SecTres…but that’s it. I will not vote for him for president…which is why he can’t break the 25% threshold…despite our “elite leadership’s” attempt to ram him down our throats.
Disagree, these are not times where someone of his well-established business as normal nature is going to result in a good outcome:
A vote for Romney is at the very least a vote for the death of the Republican Party. Just like the Whigs failure to usefully address slavery killed them off with the Republicans taking their place, establishment Republicans like Romney have no answers for our big problems (rather, they’re part of the problem, not part of the solution).
If the nation is truly in an 11th hour situation (and the financial numbers are ugly, with only an uptick in interest required to sell Federal debt needed for a crisis (see e.g. Italy)), Romney is again not the answer.
(Unless of course you want an end to the Republican party and are following Lenin’s dictate that “The worse it is, the better”.)
On a more personal note to me, Obamacare is currently the biggest threat to my personal survival. Romney’s the only Republican candidate who’s not dedicated to its eradication … in fact, his refusal to flip-flop on Romneycare is very telling for a politician who’s willing to say anything, do anything, to gain political advantage.
I believe that at a certain point you have to draw a line and say you’re not going to support party, societal and personal suicide simply because voting for the least awful candidate is usually a good default strategy. If any or all of these come to pass, I am not willing to be complicit in their denouement.
“Sorry, but not voting at all, given the dire circumstances we face at this time, is flat-out unconscionable”
I’ll never understand why a conservative would say not voting is unconsionable but voting for Romney, who is Obama’s twin brother is ok.
Just pick up your toys and go home then…If you can’t see the difference between Mitt Romney and the cross dresssing, islamic, socialist bastard spending this country into oblivion then you shouldn’t be voting anyway…I see this a lot now. Are you an Axelrod plant???
This attitude will ensure four more disastrous years of Obama et al. We cannot afford that. How many Supreme Court justices will he get to appoint? How many lower court judges? Our country may not recover from 8 years of Obama. It is irresponsible sit the election out and let this happen.
Romney may not light up our eyes and make our hearts beat faster, but he two great virtues. He is not Obama and he has a chance to win. Don’t let ideological rigidness keep you on the sidelines when your country needs you.
Cain is not in implosion mode. he is under atack. and the two main ladys on the atack are not credible. check out their back ground. we need a Cain/Newt ticket. not the Rino flip flop Romney thingy
I have to agree with you…I would have to hold my nose to vote for Romney…maybe because I’m only 100 miles from Boston and have to put up with those people from “away” all friggan summer. Those dolts deserve what they get.
Romney/McDonnell? That’s THE TICKET. To crapville. Gussied up compromise, going down the same road as before at a slightly slower rate and spending on the wrong things more efficiently. Might as well have Obama II without the pretense of conservatism.
Wooo wooo wooo Myra. You’re too late to the dance. Americans are not the lil’ dough boys to be formed however MSM wants. Number One…. Romney is not going to be the candidate like he thinks and certainly has been assured by some who think they are The Leaders in GOP. GOP has lost credibility as much as MSM now. Clearly both in cahoots to push another fake conservative, another one-world government lover on us. Romney is like his papa. Bad Bad people. Liars. Sneaks. Arrogant. Big surprises coming for Romney MSM and GOP. We are DONE DONE DONE with all, and mad as hell and are not going to “take” it anymore.
Thank you I completely agree with you, Never. Who is this Myra anyway? I see her picture top right, a blonde? Enough said, the article is so dumb it fits her. If Romney is the candidate, we are looking at four more years of Obama. I can hear the first debate already: “May I thank Mr. Romney for having lent me some of his friends to help us with our healthcare plan and may I further thank him for having shown us the way in Massachussetts.” End of debate, Obama 1, Romney 0. No thanks. When the dem strategists on TV sing the praises of Romney, denigrate Gingrich, Cain and Perry, we know what’s up. Many of us conservatives were not born yesterday nor did we fall off the turnip truck. So Myra find another venue to push Romney, or remain silent.
Perhaps as bad, following the “people are policy” principle, is how many of the Romney Administration’s environmentalists have ended up in the Obama EPA. A vote for Romney is a vote for continue economic stagnation by regulatory strangulation and direct attacks on energy production. There is no legitimate need for energy costs to “necessarily skyrocket”.
GOP: Reject Mitt Romney or Lose EVERYTHING
Some of us merely despise Romney; others hate him with the white-hot thermonuclear fury of a thousand suns.
In my case, there simply are no words bad enough to describe him. In any language.
Romney/McDonnell is too much like Cain/Palin.
Abe Lincoln was a member of the Whig Party before he became a Republican.
I am afraid a Romney nomination will lead to history repeating itself with a 3rd Party replacing a major party.
Yes, this exactly. If Romney is the nominee, the Tea Party and the Blue Dog Democrats could easily find common ground in forming a new party based on fiscal responsibility, foreign policy pragmatism (not my preference, but oh well), and domestic policy federalism. Such a party would probably have enough of the electorate behind it from the start that the entire focus of both the Republican and Democratic campaigns would shift to neutralizing that threat. I don’t think that the Republican party could survive that, just as the Whigs and the Federalists were themselves destroyed when they reached similar moments of crises of purity, and responded by sticking with a formula 20 years out of date.
It’s not a crisis of “purity” in the GOP…it’s a crisis of a “political elite” leadership that is not just unresponsive to the desires of the base, but one that out-right ignores the base and continues “to go along to get along…wink wink, nod, nod.” That’s the real issue.
I’m not a “social conservative,” though I understand where those who are are coming from. I am a moderate, who believes that deficit spending is a crime…if I can’t write a bad check, how the hell can our government do that?
In 2010, the GOP leadership in Congress promised the moon in real budget cuts…what we’ve been given is the ephemera of a reduction “in future growth.” (As if a current Congress can dictate to future Congresses without a Contsitutional Amendment). It’s time that we, the base of GOP slam our “elite leadership” in the head to get their attention.
Mitt Romney is more of the same, or worse, ObamaLite.
Cain/Gingrich 2012
What he said.
It’s very possible that Romney could be the candidate.
The others have all but self destructed except for Cain who is getting a little help.
Truth is I may not get my way this time.
My way would have been a Newt/Palin or vice versa ticket. Chances of that don’t look too good but I won’t stop trying until Tampa.
At that time I will force my self to look at the bigger picture of anybody but The Joker even if I don’t get my way.
I don’t want to give Barry Shabazz or whatever the hell his name is another four years.I doubt the country could stand it. That’s more important than me getting my way. Especially since it’s about my kids more than me.
That being said I will light a fire under every rino butt that is left after 2012 no matter what office they hold. The coming election is not only a referendum on Socialism and the Demoncrat party but on rinoism as well.
Both need to be put on notice.
RodGuy,
When has the conservative branch of the GOP ever received a conservative candidate of late? Last I remember it was Reagan and he was no Goldwater who is probably the gold standard of conservative thought.
Romney reminds me of Deputy Dog. Sorry. I cannot support him, I do not support him, for president.
I wish him well, he’s probably very good in business, maybe he’s very smart, ok fine, whatever, I wish him good luck and every good thing in life. But not as the president.
I don’t want Romney as the nominee and I find it infuriating that the establishment republicans apparently respond to his “organization.” How about responding to the TEA PARTY organizations? ARRRRG.
With “republicans” like Romney, the drift to the Left continues. RINO. Republican In Name Only.
When RINOs follow Leftist policies, which don’t work and create poverty, red tape, loss of freedom, loss of jobs, et cetera, people become confused because they conclude that there is no difference who is elected.
If we’re going to drift to the poverty-stricken tyranny of the Left, let it be clearly done by the big-D Democrats. Let the poverty and chaos clearly result from the Democrats’ policies. Let’s not have “our guys” do it, too!
Romney is CLUELESS about how to end the entrenchment of the Left in our institutions. He probably isn’t even sure where he stands on the issue. He has “NO APOLOGY” for Romneycare. Oh rly?
Also, I don’t like his studied nonchalance in the debates. I don’t like how he stands with his hand in his pocket as if he is so very very very extremely relaxed and so casual.
I don’t think he knows what he thinks and I don’t think he is vital and sincere and I don’t want him as the nominee. I DO NOT WANT ROMNEY AS THE NOMINEE: DO. NOT. WANT. ROMNEY.
I have voted in every presidential election since I turned old enough to vote and I consider it a sacred trust. This is a very big deal IMO.
But if the UNSPEAKABLE republican establishment thinks they can palm off another milquetoast DOLE or H W BUSH or MCCAIN after all we’ve been through in the past three years, they are WRONG. Wrong, wrong wrong. How do I say this strongly enough?
I actually called Reince Priebus, whom I do not know at all, and left a message at the Republican National Committee that if Romney is the nominee, I might not vote in the presidential category. OMG, I might not vote!! DON’T try to palm this guy off on us!!
Every election always feels important to me. This is certainly an important election.
Almost any one of the fiscally-conservative candidates would be better than what we have now. Of them all, I like Gingrich best because I like his detailed plans.
Gingrich says he will get rid of the White House czars by signing an executive order at around 3:45 p.m. on the January 20, 2013, right after he is sworn in and just about the time the Obama family is leaving Andrews Air Force Base to return to Chicago.
I like Gingrich’s plans to bring manufacturing back to the USA, and for getting energy from our own vast energy reserves, and for using Lean Six Sigma to streamline the necessary federal agencies, for innovation in education and health care, for returning power to local people and governments — and on and on. Get our economy flowing again. He’s explaining what he will do. I like it.
YouTube is a morass of what you’re not looking for if you just type in the name. To find his speeches on YT, if you want to, refine for “longer than 20 minutes” or search for the speech by name or date. Otherwise, you will never find anything substantive amidst the flotsam and jetsam.
It would actually be really exciting to use technology to transform our government and make it more transparent, streamlined, efficient and responsive to the people. I would love that. All the best, friends. Ciao. For now.
I guess if there is a Rmoney/McDonnell ticket, that would sure put men’s hair gell back in style!
I’m still hoping that Newt Gingrich will make a move and win. Hey, if a RINO is going to be at the top of the ticket, at least I want a RINO who knows how to get things done in Washington. You can have any agendy you want in the world, but if you can’t get it through Congress and turn it into law you’re useless. If we can convince Newt into becoming a true conservative, he may actually get some useful things done in Washington. Romney would only be a more conservative version of Obama.
My dad was on LST 23 in the pacific.Would want me to say “hi” for him.
Okay, guys, please resist the temptation to trot out all the old Blonde jokes! Romney is a religious nutcake who leaves his brains at home when he goes to church and is also nowhere near “conservative”. Gingrich never kept a promise in his life. Cain is replacing Schwartzenegger as the “Gropenator”. It may be that Perry is not mentally quick- but he is certainly no worse than the “57 stater” in the White House who has twice described himself, on television, as a “moslem”.Maybe even better?
I want a bright, virtuous man with both military and economic experience who will lead the outlawing of abortion, homosexuality, federal borrowing, unnecessary government, illegal immigration, executive malfeasance, and perverted interpretation of our Constitution. Names please!
To have our beautiful country back so we can heal it from the demolition crews that have run through our government, education, medicine, morals, society. We all see the results of their mad monkey grinning administrations. Right now we have a great chance to make a public statement showing who is on what side of the destruction of our children, education, morality. Protest BOTH Pennsylvania and Nebraska for failure to protect our children and failure to produce students in higher education who can think or have immediate compassion and response to abuse of children. The students at Penn are a joke. Little lemmings just like the junior coach who got off watching he big coach backpunt a little boy and only told his papa who told JoeP who sat on HIS arse and effectively blocked the pass of justice. When Penn found out citizens were outraged, they made the students to stop humping for JoeP and handed out candles to burn for brutalized kids. WHAT A JOKE. It won’t work. This thing is glued to every grad resume permanently. Make every Pres Candidate tell what they WILL DO to stop schools who think they are too big to fail and continue to help big Donors get in the pedophile ring. Make the candidates tell about DOMESTIC PROTECTION AGAINST SEX ABUSE OF CHILDREN IN THE USA.
Now we’ve got “white tiger” playing the Anti-Mormon Bigot card. You fool nobody, you lousy Democrat hack.
“white tiger”, indeed. Call yourself “white KKK Dem who just gave a donation to Planned Parenthood to kill more black babies”, why dontcha?
Jeb Bush.
Yeah, if no one gets a majority on the first ballot at the GOP convention.
Precisely!
*sighs* Myra it’s great that you like Romney but shoving these massive It’s Inevitable headlines at us does not make us any more interested in Romney than before.
Everyone already acts like he’s be coronated to represent us and Romney knows it and acts like it.
And so do you.
Take a look back at the McCain/Palin ticket to know how well the I have a Conservative VP concept turns out. Conservatives liked Palin and still dissed McCain because Palin didn’t make McCain more conservative.
Romney is not Conservative. He can have as many conservative buddies as he likes but that changes nothing at all.
Suck it up and deal with it.
You suck it up. McCain didn’t lose because he wasn’t conservative enough. He lost because a media-backed Obama managed to hoodwink independents into thinking he was a post-racial, moderate “uniter.” The general election will be won by the side that does the best job of winning over independents. Romney can do that. And with a running mate like McDonnell he can certainly do that.
He can’t win without conservatives backing him as well and an I’m Conservative decoration won’t do that.
We are done with accepting whoever the parties designate as The Anointed. If you need to press this sense of inevitability then you apparently lack the faith in Romney’s ability to win over people like me.
That is very very telling.
Carn,
I am with you, see my post below. Kathryn is too.
Count me in too, Carn and Samizdat.
Agreed; if the Republican base AKA conservatives had turned out for McCain like they did for Bush in 2004 he would have won the election.
Now that the nation knows quite a bit more about Obama’s true nature you can’t say that another RINO like Romney will lose to him, but those pushing this establishment choice should keep this bit of history in mind, not to mention think past the November election.
A “go along, get along” business as usual Romney Administration could finish killing off the party. A triumvirate of Romney, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are not likely to pull this nation out of its tailspin and if so the voters’ responses in 2014 and 2016 will be ugly; look at what happened when the Republicans broke faith with their base after 2004.
For evey vote Romney loses on the right, he gains two Independents.
Independants are a wildcard. Ant candidate needs both Independants AND a base to win.
Getting it through independants alone will not work.
Objection, your honor! Assumes facts not in evidence!
What a ridiculous statement. Prove it.
Reagan was a Conservative and overwhelmingly carried the independents.
Bush’41 won huge, but then betrayed Conservatives by raising taxes. he got crushed in the next election.
Dole was a fine establishment candidate, and the country chose Clinton, but Clinton never won a majority.
Bush ’43 lost the popular vote in ’00. He did better in ’04, but only because of 9/11.
McCain was the most liberal of Republicans, closest to the so-called independents. He was destroyed. It was a crushing defeat.
What do these all have in common? Losing Conservatives does not mean you win independents. It just means you lose Conservatives. That’s all it means.
In all honesty, independents do not give a damn about these things. They vote for the guy they like, and they vote their pocketbooks. That’s as complex as it gets for most of them. Believing otherwise is acceptance of Dem propaganda. Sucker.
Amelia:
I’ve posted countless responses to the “Independents don’t like conservatives” nonsense in the last several months. I grow weary of the redundancy, so I’ll paste one of those prior responses here about how conservative “extremists” fared in the 2010 elections with the sacred Independents. I hope a dose of historical reality will get you off the RINO establishment lie.
Lets take a look at some 2010 election stats from the hyped races involving conservative extremists.
Delaware: Let’s do the worst one first. With absolutely no support — instead outright contempt — from Castle and the RSCC, an endless national media assault led by RINOs like the “Architect” (of the destruction of the Republican party), Karl Rove, and we must admit, rookie mistakes by candidate O’Donnell herself, this extremist loon lost the sacred Independents 48-45! Imagine a gracious endorsement from the classless Castle for his own party’s candidate, party support from the RSCC and the RINOs, and fair media coverage — OK, the last one’s a pipe dream, but each of the others were self-inflicted wounds. Yet this worst of all imaginable candidates — I believe she was a witch — lost Independents 48-45 running in a Progressive sewer! Do you think eliminating the RINO issues mentioned above might have been good for a percentage point or two flip in the vote, or five, or ten? Remember that the voters loved Castle before he chose to abandon his party and stew in his own venom; an endorsement from him alone probably would have turned the election even with the Karl Roves of the world working so hard to bring their self-fulfilling prophesies to fruition. 48-45.
Nevada: Angle, also under RINO assault, WON Independents 48-44.
The outright tragedy of Colorado: Buck WON Independents 53-37! Rovian RINOs convinced Republicans it was hopeless and they stayed home. 53-37!!! Three cheers for “The Architect.”
Florida and Wisconsin: It is conveniently forgotten that two of the Senate’s most stalwart right-wing extremist constitutional conservatives, equal to or right of DeMint, Marco Rubio and Ron Johnson, managed to win somehow. Rubio slaughtered RINO Crist in FLORIDA; Johnson won 85% in the Primary before unseating ultra-leftist Feingold . . . in WISCONSIN! Both right-wing extremists WON Independents by double-digit margins. The recap of the Senate elections at WikiPedia notes, “. . . independent voters, however, were largely responsible for the shift from Democratic to Republican gains.” And I almost forgot, extremist Mike Lee WON too!
Have you noticed that the only races lost, or even close, were the ones where RINOs and the establishment Republicans worked as hard as they could to defeat conservatives? Look to Rubio and Johnson to see what will happen with Independents if we can lock Rove, Will, Krauthammer, and the boys at the Weekly SubStandard (and Ms. Adams) in a closet prior to the 2012 election.
Imagine the world without RINOs — it’s easy if you try.
The math doesn’t fly. Take the 17% of the electorate who are serious conservatives out and that leaves you with 83%. Of that 83% Obama will get a little less than half or about 40%. That leaves 43%. While the independents are polling 2 to 1 for pubs right now that isn’t enough between the moderate pubs and independents to get 42 of the 43% remaining.
This Reaganite refused to vote for McCain after he went belly up in the debates with Obama. But I don’t want to vote for another George W RINO. Romney is a moderate, much as i hate to think about it, i may have to vote for him instead of allowing Obama to get my vote by proxy. Anybody but Obama/Reid/Pelosi.
“He lost because a media-backed Obama managed to hoodwink independents into thinking he was a post-racial, moderate “uniter.””
Translation: McCain didn’t lose because Conservatives didn’t care for him. He lost because the opposition was just sooooo good!
Nope. Don’t wash. Not the whole story. It’s true that BO was almost a guaranteed win because of the environment however it was made worse by McCain’s lack of conservative fire.
If we like a candidate we will go door to door in sub-zero weather to spread the word.
The most exciting and conservative thing about McCain was his VP pick. SHE revved us up but not because of any real excitment for McCain.
Carn,
I agree with you completely (and with Myra). Moderates in 8 or 9 states will determine the election. Mitt won the Massachusetts governorship because he attracted the moderates–the majority here in Mass. He then governed as a fiscal conservative and was successful in cleaning up the mess. He will do the same nationally. Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy’s seat by 5 points (the people’s seat as Scott emphasized) by the same calculus.
Rightwingers, of which I am one, need to “wise up” and look at the situation objectively. Romney can beat Obama and there’s not a chance, in my view, that any of the others could, including Newt. While articulate, and great with a quip Newt’s day has passed.
You must have a funny definition of fiscal conservatism. Romney Care is fiscal conservatism what magic is to chemistry.
I disagree but honestly that isn’t my gripe. If people believe that then we have the right to vote them in.
But from the very beginning Myra and others (and the GOP party bigwigs) have been banging on the inevitability drum. That more even than his record has turned me against Romney.
Obama was anointed into his position by the liberals.
Now the GOP is doing the same thing and honestly it’s making me glad that I don’t donate money to the parties.
If we had a good solid contest and Romney due to his manner, delivery, and ideas, sailed through the opposition I’d still gripe (I prefer Cain) but hey he pulled it through fair.
But what has he done really except sit and grin while the other guys tore apart ideas?
That reads (to me) as him acting exactly like the GOP sees him. Next In Line. He sees himself as inevitable and everyone else banging on that drum too.
But oddly enough that does not give me confidence in his leadership skills or his ability to sway voters.
If you have good ideas, and the skills to win you don’t need to hammer the drum of inevitability AT YOUR OWN GUYS.
McCain lost, in part, because some conservatives stayed home, others (like myself) refused to hold their noses and voted 3rd party.
McCain didn’t lose for that reason either.
McCain lost because in September 2008, the financial markets began to collapse and the U.S. economy fell off a cliff. And McCain was clearly flummoxed as to what to do about all that. He suspended his campaign and ran back to the U.S. Senate where he accomplished absolutely nothing.
And McCain was swimming upstream against the political currents anyway. Bush’s popularity was way down to around 30%. And not once since 1876 has an unpopular President been succeeded to the White House by someone from his own party. When the unpopular incumbent isn’t running himself, the voters take their revenge on whoever his party nominated.
Mc Cain lost because he mad no real effort to win. He picked that Silly Sally for his VP, failed to attack Oscumbag on the issues and did not respond to personal attacks on himself. He wanted to lose, because he was bought off. And well that he was, because he is not nearly bright enough to get the job done.
Not only did McCain not really try an win, but he attacked Republicans who attacked Obama, even when the attacks on Obama’s character were justified.
“Silly Sally”, huh? It’s “william of bedford” with a new name. He pretends to be a conservative, but he keeps forgetting his role and shows his contempt for conservatives at every turn.
Saul Alinsky was Machiavelli in short pants and a propeller beanie. “Get some hoods, pretend you’re from the KKK, and welcome Bush! Hee, hee, hee!” He never hesitated to use lies to advance…what? A statist power-play? Marxist Utopia?
Machiavelli was concerned about the ends, he was an adult. Alinsky just reveled in immoral means – lies for the fun of telling them.
If this is the only way you can advance the Democrat cause, bedford billy, then your cause is doomed. We’re gonna kick you guys so hard in 2012….
Moira, the post election results show that the Young, Women and Blacks elected the Abomination of Desolation to POTUS. Most folks do not vote with the facts or the necessary consequences of reasoning with the facts; but with their backsides. They leave their brains at home when they go to the polls. The 2008 election proved this to be true of Blacks, the Young, and Women, generically.
If these groups were disenfranchised a more thoughtful electorate would necessarily emerge, very probably oriented more conservatively. Shall we work toward that end?
You must be speaking of yourself, duh!
False flag Dem “white tiger” called for the disenfranchisement of blacks here yesterday:
“They leave their brains at home when they go to the polls. The 2008 election proved this to be true of Blacks, the Young, and Women, generically.
If these groups were disenfranchised a more thoughtful electorate would necessarily emerge, very probably oriented more conservatively. Shall we work toward that end?”
No takers, just some mild abuse from swissik.
See, it’s only Dems who do disenfranchising – it’s an old strategy of theirs; look at Algore’s lawyers scrambling to bar military absentee ballots in FL in 2000. Go to DKos or DU and call for a law that serving military be kept from the polls – you’ll get the enthusiastic reaction you missed here.
But I said “old” strategy. That was what lynching was for. The Republican Party freed our slaves? Well if they try to vote Republican, we’ll hang them from trees! And so you did. Reverend King ended lynching in America by bringing blacks en masse into the Democrat Party.
If ever blacks begin to vote GOP in large numbers again, lynching will come roaring back – and the New York Times and Politico will say they had it coming.
Noooo dear Moira. I am an independent conservative and it matters not to me whether the VP is a conservative, if the pres is a Rino. The same is true for my familymembers who are of voting age. We despised McCain before, during and after. He lost because he ran a stupid campaign, he went to Washington to vote for the bailout, he was always trumpeting about working across the isles etc. etc. It is beyond time that he step off the stage, even his Vietnam reputation is starting to wear very thin. We want someone who stands on conservative principles, not someone who holds a finger in the air to test which way the wind blows.
Romney/McDonnell?
“Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking.”
“Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.”
“Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines!”
“Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!”
OK, Tolbert. Let’s say you or anybody had the guts and courage to escape from of all those destructive tar baby cages. Being faced with the idea of a President Herman Munster / Lurch Addams and VP Grandpa Munster / Uncle Fester Addams is not cause for despair, it is cause for laughter. GOP and MSM pushing Herman Munster Lurch Addams are the ones who are either already escaped from reality or will likely limp into those cages when we show them how it is.
Americans are worn out with the deceit, immorality in government and universities, and are going to do some real moves against it.
Myra,
Your analysis may be right on the money, but if Romney is the nominee I am going to sit the election out. I am also going to withdraw support from the Republican party and probably most Republican candidates.
Romney is a Clyde suck finger candidate. He is an anthropogenic global warming believer. He believes in demonstrably failed energy policy such as ethanol subsidization. He is an abortion flip flopper. He believes that Romney care was a good thing, but it would be a bad thing for the country. The man has no conservative credentials, none. He is a progressive, not terribly disimilar from Obama, the Bushes, Nixon, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Hoover, Wilson and LBJ. In other words, he is identical to all the presidents who have presided over the destruction of our national identity and the once most powerful economy on earth.
With our future hanging in the balance, with our country headed north of 15 trillion dollars in national debt, Romney is not capable of turning things around. He has no understanding of limited government or the Constitution. He will take us over the cliff, just at a pace slightly slower than Obama will.
Given these truths, I can’t see any reason to vote for another misguided Republican progressive. We won’t be able to begin fixing our problems, until we stop supporting progressive candidates, or settling for them, and start nominating candidates who understand free markets and our Constitution. I am done with the Bushes, Doles, McCains, and Nixons. They have propelled us to where we are.
It’s time to stop the progressives and withdraw support. If the country doesn’t get the message soon, there is going to be a serious price that will be paid by our children and future generations.
Time to send the Republicans to the ash heap of history so they can hang out with the Whigs.
I agree with everything you said. I’m done if the Republican candidate is Mitt Romney and I’m sick of these articles telling us that it’s a done deal. It had better not be or I can promise you that this Republic will not stand. I really believe that it may be too late anyway.
You’ve convince us all to vote Obama, “Kathryn”.
What a pathetic Alinsky trick, you Lefty hack.
Here’s what “Kathryn” wrote about Cain in Frank J. Fleming’s last post:
“Herman Cain is not a Conservative. In any way, shape or form. He’s a pimp hat wearing race hustler who knows NOTHING about domestic or foreign policy–but will hire those who do–is willfully ignorant and uninformed, says stupid things on a regular basis–but just joking!–and yet you Cainiacs insist that he’s your great, Conservative messiah. He’s just another affirmative action joke like the one we’ve already got in the White House.”
Lovely, huh? Democrats are good at “pretending” to be racist – it comes naturally to them.
Lots of false flags in PJM lately, folks. On every thread about the GOP primary, for sure. I’m pretty sure this piece of trash also comments under “william of bedford” and “rance”.
Retlaw,
If Kathryn is a troll, then shame on her.
I mean every word of my post above. I am done with progressives. I will no longer play that game. If you really study the Constitution and have an understanding of what Adam Smith and Henry Hazlitt teach regarding free markets, you come to realize how badly things have gone under progressive rule over the last 100 years. In 1900 our federal government consumed 3.7% of gross domestic product. We are now north of 27% and our vibrancy as a nation is demonstrably waining.
I will no longer vote for or contribute to progressives. No more Nixons, McCains or Roosevelts.
They are just as evil as Obama.
Samizdat,
You sent people to “Kathryn’s” comment – usually what a sock puppet does. That’s what Glenn Greenwald got caught doing, creating another persona to agree with himself. Pathetic narcissism – seek therapy if this is the case here.
But let’s say you’re a real “conservative”, just a dupe of this “Kathryn”. You sound like a one-note Charlie – one of those one-theory-explains-all fruitcakes. Them Bildenburgers, how progressive are they?
Do you know what “Samizdat” was? The underground communications and culture of Russian dissidents in the old Soviet Union. Men were gulaged and killed when caught printing or passing along Samizdat. Does the handle make you feel brave? It doesn’t make you look it.
But it’s most likely you’re just a Lefty nose-picker in Mom’s basement. Why else write a post on a conservative-leaning blog urging conservatives not to donate and not to vote? But please continue – you have no effect, and it keeps you out of Mommy’s hair.
Apologies, Samizdat, for the crude criticisms of others.There are those who judge by labels, without really defining their terms, and so, inevitably, crash and burn intellectually. I take you at your word and agree that selfish, greedy, evil personalities who label themselves conservatives are but selfish, greedy, evil hypocrites- who should run on the Hypocrites United No to Nothing Society platform, ie, HUNNS.(Didn’t we deal with something like that in 1918?).
As a Conservative, I do not want to “win” with a candidate who is not a true conservative. Because, to do so, would be to subvert the conservative cause, pervert our Constitution and betray my fellows.
Immorality is pervasive. The man who is sexually immoral is also immoral in other ways. Greed, once established, is consuming; it has no limits. The liar, once exalted, becomes the pathological liar. POTUS is the most powerful man in the world. We need desperately to replace the straw man currently occupying that role and lift up a modern day Joshua to lead us.
If you don’t want to vote for the republican candidate if it turns out to be Romney (ick), Vote for the Constitution party candidate.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
I am most decidedly NOT a troll and have been posting here at PJMedia from the day it opened business as Pajamas Media and am a true-blue, dyed in the wool Conservative who is seriously considering leaving the Republican party and becoming Independent if they continue down the ruling class road. Retlaw seems to be here only to impugn the opinion and integrity of any poster with whom he doesn’t agree. It would seem that he’s a Cainiac and I have become an object of his hatred and ire because I voiced my opinion of Herman Cain. I suppose that the likes of Retlaw are to be pitied, not reviled, as they possess no reasonable thought processes and only expose their lack of intelligence and perception with their insistence on attacking anyone who doesn’t share their entire viewpoint. Some form of Tourettes Syndrome, perhaps.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
Enough of this settle-for crap! We Conservatives have got to take The Stupid Party out of the hands of the Gutless Old Party Establishment that guarantees that the Gutless Old Party will continue to be just that. No more of this “Progressive-Light”. Romney is a RINO just like his father was a RINO. “The fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree.” Romney proves the rule!
I beg of you people not to sit it out. Better the lesser of two evils than the one that will hasten our country to its demise. At least with a Romney we may stave off said demise, and perhaps turn it around after his term (especially if conservatives win more seats in Congress); but with another 4 of Obama, I fear all will be lost for he has already shown he will bypass Congress and rule via executive edict.
@Im
Give us a candidate we can in good concience vote for and we won’t sit it out.
But if the only thing a candidate can boast is “I’m not the other guy!” then it isn’t enough. A flipping parrot would fit the same criteria.
A flopping parrot would be better then a used Mitt.
IT is months too early. Not a single primary ballot has been cast, not a single delegate won. Nobody watches the debates, they routinely come in behind ‘I Love Lucy’ re-runs in the ratings.
Polls are only good for trends. A poll won’t show candidate x beating candidate y. All they are good for is showing candidate x is going up or down. Same for candidate y. They show Romeny going no where.
BTW when will conservatives stop letting liberals pick their candidates?
As a theory, if Colin Powell gets up tomorrow and announced his wife said it was ok for him to run, the Big Money would drop both Mitt and Perry like hot rocks. The 75% of (R) that will NOT vote for Romney would have their champion.
ANTI Cain and Powell makes one a BIGOT. Get over it.
If you are willing to settle for the lesser of two evils, you will always get evil. If you do not demand good, you will not get good. I will not vote for Romney. Nominate him at your peril.
My Wage
“I bargained with Life for a penny,
And Life would pay no more,
However I begged at evening
When I counted my scanty store.
For Life is a just employer,
He gives you what you ask,
But once you have set the wages,
Why, you must bear the task.
I worked for a menial’s hire,
Only to learn, dismayed,
That any wage I had asked of Life,
Life would have willingly paid.”
-Jessie B. Rittenhouse
Demand better!
In 2010 the Republican Party told us that they had learned their lesson!
The problem is, that just like the Scientist who cuts all four legs off of a frog and notices that it no longer jumps when startled by a sudden nois determines the frog to be DEAF – THEY LEARNED THE WRONG LESSON!
The lesson they should have learned was ‘READ MY LIPS!’ not 1995.
Christine O’Donnell is another lesson they should have learned. The “We’re Done with the attitude that we MUST elect Republicans for the Sole Purpose of Electing Republicans,” lesson.
Someone should sew Karl Rove’s lips shut just like the dwarf did to Loki when he lost his bet. Shut him up and let good people win. He’s done as much damage to the conservative movement as the media.
In what ways is Mitt immoral? Name them.
Romneycare is antithetical to freedom. Romney is a sleezeball who is spiteful toward his competition. Romney is arrogant. Romney has no principles. Romney condoned abortion and never sincerely repented of his support for legalized abortion (if he had, he would admit that he used to support abortion and admit he was wrong).
At the signing of a clean-up bill correcting some of the worst remaining problems with Massachusetts’ fairly new anti-”assault weapons” and the kitchen sink law, one engineered in part by GOAL (the state’s NRA equivalent, except they really fight gun control), he went out of this way to praise gun control and trash gun owners. He could have said the usual neutral blather, he could have signed the bill in private….
Gun control of this nature, antipathy towards gun owners in general, is immoral, full stop.
Im,
No, I have done it in the past to the detriment of my country and my personal values. I voted for McCain and I am ashamed of that compromise. Progressives are why we are where we are. They have eaten the heart out of our culture and drained away virtue. They have destroyed free market economics, which is a very difficult thing to do. It took them over 100 years of effort.
You compromisers will have to court those of us who understand these things by coming over to our way of understanding and joining our cause. I would rather see the withering accelerate than be part of putting a leach like Romney on the body of what Washington, Morris, Pinckney and Gerry brought to life.
I, and others here are done with being a part of the problem. Deal with it.
Because giving the current president four more years to put the coup de grace on the country is SO MUCH MORE preferable than holding your nose and voting for Romney.
Clear thinking, that, Mr. Patriot.
Sometimes, the only way out is through.
BK, “There is no right way to do wrong”
We must teach our nominators to nominate more wisely. Or we must replace them. We must not settle for “the lesser of two evils”.
Oshambo should be impeached and imprisoned, but no one in power has the guts to lead the charge. And the Senate would validate his endorsements of islamic jihad and globalist economic control.
We must find ways to redefine the electorate so as to preclude the empowering of subversive elements. The very first step is to define “subversive”. Go!
Ditto!!! I will not hold my nose and vote for what the establishment shoves down our collective throat.
“I fear all will be lost for he has already shown he will bypass Congress and rule via executive edict.”
And what has congress done to protect its powers? Nada, zilch, nothing. H*ll congress allowed the formation of many of the regulatory agencies that Obama is using to not have to take the hard votes.
Three cheers for congress. /s
I won’t vote for another Republican Progressive thrown up as the lesser of two evils. The calluses on my nose hurt too d*mn much. I will go to the polls and vote for down ticket conservatives.
Add to that, the Same John Boehner who tells us he cannot do certain types of Budget Cuts because “this Congress Cannot Bind Future Congresses” also told us that he Could NOT cut 105 Billion from the current Budget for ObamaCare because “The Previous Congress Bound us to Spend that money!”
Aren’t you glad you voted Republican, don’t you wish everyone did!
If it was four years of Romney versus four years of Obama, Romney would be the lesser evil, yes. But the choice is four years of Romney followed by four years of either him or a Democrat, or four years of Obama possibly followed by someone better than Romney.
If the choice is a chance at a decent president in 2016, or no chance until 2020, I know which I prefer. Obama isn’t destructive enough to make four years of him worse than eight years of Romney-and/or-Democrat.
Hold still for a moment, and let me explain something to you: if we don’t get Obama out of office in 2012, that’s the last free election you’ll ever get. Do you understand that? Can you hear me in there? Is any of this registering? There. Will. Not. Be. Another. Free. Election. In fact, I would not be surprised at all if the Dems find a reason to cancel the 2012 election, it’s that bad.
Obama and the hard Left are rapidly turning this country into a totalitarian state. Notice how they don’t seem to need Congress? (Congress–what’s that? Do whatever you want to anyway, Barry.) The ‘living Constitution’ is on life support. Decades of Leftist indoctrination have made formerly horrifying ideas acceptable to our young people. The next thing you know, the Left will repeal the 22nd amendment, and then they will be in charge for LIFE. They’ll have four more years to nail down every institution and law and make it impossible for any countervailing opinion to ever see the light of day again. You think you hate Republicans now? Just wait until the only choice you have at the ballot is a marxist. Going forward, you’ll have your choice between a marxist, a marxist-leninist, a maoist or a trotskyite. It will be like living in Illinois–and you can see where that gets you. I live in Illinois—a legacy of 60 years of leftist malfeasance and corruption–and some time within the next two years, I fully expect to be reduced to eating the grass on my lawn.
You’re talking as though you have the luxury of affording to “sit out” the most important election in your lifetime—you don’t. And neither do any of the other brain-dead idiots who agree with you. In fact, you may be part of the reason we got stuck with a Communist in the last election. It took thousands of years and millions of lives to give you the degree of personal freedom you are so casually throwing away. Do something to redeem yourself for having endangered all of our children—yes, they’re going to get stuck fighting an Islamic monolith in about 10 years—and vote. Hold your nose and vote for anyone—anyone who is not a Marxist. Get the Left out of office in 2012, and give the rest of us time to fix the problem.
Fine, then. I’ll write in Sarah Palin.
That’s what the Second Amendment is for. If the government refuses to stand for election, or the elections are so corrupt that the result is blatantly fraudulent, we have the right and duty to depose that government. Electing a RINO won’t avert that scenario, anyway. At best, electing Romney would buy us a four-year reprieve, while our country weakens further. Time for the Hail Mary Pass- we have to go for it all now, because the life of the Republic is on the line and we are running out of time.
Yep. If the ballot box fails, there is still the ammo box. If folks cannot abide that scenario, then you should do all you can to not trigger that scenario. Do not choose Romney. Choose someone else.
As for me, I am down with that scenario. I advise you not to test me on that. Choose someone else.
Well said, “ahem.”
Your post is obviously hyberbole – but only because the transition will not happen quite that fast. But these are definitely things to fear and there is no time like the present to try to reverse this course.
However, I do not think the answer will come from the political process which is grossly compromised by what the Progressives have already accomplished. The only path is civil disobedience in the form of refusal to pay taxes and rejection of thousands of unnecessary rules and regulations at all levels of government. Then we must hope that our legal and law organizations will not be so politicized that they are willing to turn tens of millions of otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals for fighting back in this manner.
“…not happen quite that fast…”???
Have you studied “the Progressives” in Germany in the 1930′s?
Thank you for the homework assignment. But I’ll stick with my statement. The Progressives won’t be cancelling the 2012 election – nor overturning the 22 amendment any time soon. But the trend is definitely alarming and must be reversed somehow.
Yes, actually, and I therefore know what to watch for:
Selective enforcement by the police of political violence in a society that’s not well armed; this is only a problem in a few big cities (and as OWS is showing even most of them have limits to their tolerance).
A false prophet of hatred and division gaining a large audience; Obama is losing his.
His using extra-legal means against his enemies (e.g. the Night of the Long Knives, not even pretending to follow the rule of law). Obama talks the talk but for whatever reason he’s not willing to walk the walk. Plus as the Instapundit points out it’s hard for his side to get good goons anymore (union members are more DMV and teacher types than steelworkers and miners).
The existing new and not considered to be particularly legitimate establishment/ruling class getting totally discredited, including crushing economic malpractice (the hyperinflation). Our establishment is not new and they haven’t come even close to reaching that level of economic malpractice (heck, Carter was worse), but, yes, there’s danger here.
There’s cause for concern, especially if/when things get economically very bad, but we’re not even close to being there yet.
I’ve said it often on this blog and others, I do write-ins when confronted with some nincompoop candidates. Americans have taken the abuse and disregard dished out by their representatives, teachers, professors, pastors, judges, generally all politicians. Yet every election brings back incumbents, so what does that say about voters’ savvy? There comes a time when it is too late to turn the ship around, and I fear we live in that time now. As an immigrant from a very small country of about (today) 7 million people, it still puzzles me that 300 million people are satisfied with a two party system. My country of birth has around 10 different political parties, with 5 being most influential in running the country based on careful consensus, and no it is not part of the EU.
While you’re reading that Constitution, note The 20th Amend., Sec. 1
Phrasing like this little bit of nausea-inducing claptrap from a Myra Adams (?)…..”Romney looks and sounds presidential ….” has got to be just about the silliest thing possible to say about any candidate for anything….least of all as a reason for Romney, or anyone at all, to be the Republican candidate.
This kind of b.s is what propelled the empty sack named Obama to be elected solely based upon his “charisma”. Not only elected President…but gasp!…awarded a Nobel prize for accomplishing…….what?, exactly…. a scant two weeks into his “administration”.
What’s to become of us as a Nation when people write such blather as “Romney looks and sounds presidential …,” for publication?
Romney does not look or sound “presidential.”
He looks and sounds like an actor hired to play the role of President in a Hollywood political satire.
I honestly thought the headline was a sarcastic comment. In other news, John Dewey wins.
Reason Six/ Kenneth Cuccinelli, VA AG is most high profile Obamacare opponent and bolsters the repeal issue and will be USAG
Whoever the nominee is to run against Obama – I will crawl to the voting booth if necessary to cast my vote for that person.
I agree. In my mind, it’s an equation that goes like this:
Damage done by Obama x Probability of winning if Romney isn’t nominated >>>>> Damage done by Romney x probability of wining if he IS nominated.
So you would vote for someone WORSE then Obama? Why? Are you a Bigot? Is it because he is half black? That makes him half white also. So cover one eye and vote for the white guy who is to the left of OBama. Romney is at least as liberal as Obama. He has the same policies. He is 100 White however.
Romney is just an idiot; he’s not a Marxist, committed to bringing down our democracy and replacing it with a socialist state. Obama is a dedicated Marxist. It has nothing whatever to do with color.
Ahem,
A progressive, is a progressive, is a progressive.
Read a little history and economics. Ask yourself what your values are and if you truly believe in a better future for your children. You won’t get that from Romney. Look at what he believes in. I can’t discern much difference between him and Hoover, Nixon, the Roosevelts, or Obama.
Also, I would recommend reading “The Ruling Class: How They Corrupted America and What We Can Do About It” by Angelo M. Codevilla which shows, in detail, how the Democrat and Republican elitists are calling the shots and how there really has gotten to be little or no difference at all between them. They all know better than any of us how our lives should be lived and are more than willing to adopt social engineering on a very large scale. It’s already started.
“So you would vote for someone WORSE then Obama?”
Who on Earth, pray tell, is worse than Obama? IMWTK.
Cthulhu?
Conservatives for Cthulhu appreciate your support!
Hey, Myra -
How much did RINO Romney PAY you for this infomercial?! Huh?!
The inquiring mind of «Louis la Vache» wants to know!
they said reagan COULD NOT win in the general – too conservative. the talking heads and the republican establishment were in agreement that the general would be a disaster. but reagan had the four ‘P’s
Passionate
Principled
Personable
Practical
Our challenge as conservative republicans is to find THE RIGHT CANDIDATE that has these qualities.
The media tries to make us think that our principles are in the minority, and they have done a pretty fair job of it, but conservative principles are the mainstream.
we have not had a conservative in the white house since reagan and we are now reaping the harvest of our failure to believe in our principles
We have found the right candidate.
Real conservatives back Romney… the rest of you just talk among yourselfs while fix the country for you.
You are just a bunch of malcontents with no plan and no candidate.
“Real conservatives back Romney”
I think most real conservatives abhor him. He’s the only one who might win, whom if he wins will win pointlessly.
I’m not voting for him.
I’d rather see gridlock than GOP led progress towards the edge.
Perhaps you’ve been missing what is going on in the Republican Primary Process.
Let me refresh your memory; Romney Cannot Get above 25% support. No matter who crashes and burnd, the support goes somewhere else.
So with 75% of the base consistantly opposing Romney, where exactly do you develop your conclusions from?
And your just another tooth in the gear of the problem.
You can’t understand why we are where we are, why we got here. We got into this mess because of people like Sanger, Dewey, Wilson, Marx and Roosevelt. You have to understand the problem and its causes before you can understand that Romney is just another in a long line of destructive people who are alien to free markets and freedom.
I notice you didn’t actually name any names for our conservative candidate this time around. A hypothetical true conservative is great- the real ones we have, however, have real flaws.
true enough dana. reagan had flaws too. i am not discounting anyone because they are not ‘perfect’. that would be as foolish as accepting a candidate that i know will fail. but a true leadership is a difficult quality to find… or define. but it is like justice white said.. i know it when i see it. and so far i have seen only glimmers. i am a very small fish in a very small pond in a western state that is dem controlled. conservatives have been gerrymandered out of influence. i effectively have had NO voice in government for three decades. i have no power to draft anyone to fill the position so i am left with the horse that brung me.
to be more specific about romney. he simply engenders an in-authentic feeling about him and his positions. he feels like a RINO to me and you will have to trust me that in this state i KNOW RINO’s through long experience. romneys positions feel like they are all a matter of convenience IMHO. and i am far from alone. to bootstrap support of <25% into a 'de-facto' front runner is premature and silly.
So? Romney’s flaws drown the issues the other candidates have.
tom
no. and romney is a darn sight better than CheBama. But my opinion is that his lack of grounding in principle will make him a weak candidate… one that the Dems can fully utilize to give Che another 4. Without a solid grounding i don’t believe that he has the legitimacy to work out a compromise with the dems and sell it to the conservative/libertarians out there. It will always raise a suspicious eyebrow even if the compromise is done well and in good faith.
what i am saying is that i do not think we have arrived at a candidate yet and romney is pretty far down on my list. This was in response to ANOTHER “Romney is inevitable” opinion piece.
The comments of those who know their history are encouraging. Why is the MSM pilloring all the other candidates BUT brings up NO flaws in the background of RINO Romney? He is the GOP establishment’s man!! that’s why!!!
Why can’t we get RON PAUL who is hardly EEVER mentioned or passed over repeatedly in the dabates. RON PAUL IS 4TH IN THE POLLS in Iowa … served in the military (flight surgeon) ran a business (physician’s office –delivered 4,000 babies), is a faithful husband, father (son Rand is also a physician and now a senator from Kentucky) and grandfather, has served in the House for over 20n years, knows his economics –now Chairman of the finance Comittee.knows foreign policy –sys we are a Republic not an Empire so we shouldn’t borrow from Chins (and others) to give to all these other countries plus why are we still in Germany after 75 years? We should bring the boys home! How would we feel if another country invaded us and told us what to do? 2nd Amendment anyone? etc etc. They can’t attack him so they ignore him –is that how it goes?
Romney is the choice of the GOP establishment so WE MUST ACCEPT HIM? I am registered Reform Party BUT I’m reregistering Republican so I can vote in their primary. This is our 2nd chance to vote for a REAL conservative –20% voted for
Ross Perot —we wouldn’t have NAFTA– others believed his platform BUT bought into the “he can’t win” aargument so we got Bill Clinton who was saved by Newt Gingrich and a Republican Congress…
Ok, tell Ed Driscoll it was not funny photoshopping some woman’s face over Jennifer Rubin.
Touché!!!!!
YES!!!!
So at PJMedia these days it’s either attacks on Herman Cain on completely mindless blond blathering about Mitt Romney, The Inevitable.. Yoy and double yoy.
A couple of notes:
1. Anyone who says they’d sit the election out if Romney is the nominee needs to lay off the hooch. As I say in my radio interviews for my book, give me back Bill Clinton. These are radicals of the first order and anyone facing a choice between Romeny and Obama who sits it out becuase Romney isn’t ____ enough needs to lay off the Popov.
2. Let’s make another thing clear, while Bob McDonnell is a perfectly servicable “conservative”, he is not a Tea Party type conservative. He has done well in Virginia and is very popular. I will have nothing bad to say about him except that many very close to Virginia politics tell me he is overly cautious, afraid to touch certain issues near and dear to tea party conservatives, and is unwilling to recognize partisan bureaucrats inside the bureaucracy as problems. In other words, anyone who thinks adding the Virginia governor to the ticket to please real tea party conservatives is wholly misguided. McDonnell would bring balance to a Newt or Cain nomination, not to a Romney nomination.
At least with Barak Obama we would now know what we were getting. With Romney, you never know which one would know which one is going to show up.
> 1. Anyone who says they’d sit the election out if Romney > is the nominee needs to lay off the hooch.
Gee, Christian, your respect for those you disagree with is very persuasive.
Sorry the humor isn’t so funny to you. Bottom line: anyone who doesn’t like Obama and sits home because they don’t want to vote for Romeny is illogical, misguided, and acting against their own self-interest even if they don’t realize it. Better? It isn’t reasonable to strongly oppose Obama but refuse to turn out for Romney. Makes no sense.
Sure. What’s the point in electing Romney? Show me how he is not dedicated to taking us off the cliff at 5 mph, instead of 105? Why should I support that?
Give me one good reason.
DC business as usual is against my best interests.
I don’t give a d–n if you like it fine.
Why should I?
For many Romney is Obama Light. So tell me given the choice between a pile of feces and the soiled TP that whiped it up which is better?
They look the same and they both smell like crap.
If the goal is to challenge what Obama stands for then it makes no sense to use someone who is almost exactly like him.
If standing next to what I say makes me a radical Mr Adams then I’ll play a radical over the mindless ballot drone happily and with relish.
“Look, Mommy, I said poo-poo on the computer!”
Go away, loser.
@Retlaw
Rules say avoid profanity. I did it.
As to your order no no I don’t think I will. If you have a problem with that suck it up and deal or leave. Your call chief.
Carn,
I’ve read some of your other posts now, and they’re not bad. You’re seeking to persuade, and you seem genuinely to speak from the heart.
That said, why would you want to put nauseating images of scat into readers’ heads, profanity or no? Knock it off, please.
I understand your point, but surely you understand that the article is wrong?
Romney is not inevitable, and there’s still time to do better. If it was up to you, who would you like to see nominated?
Christian,
Romney will manage the decline as oppose to reversing it. He is far too timid to initiate fundamental change to save the Republic.
He’s better than Obama – in the short term. But he’s no cure for what ails us.
No GOPhers, RINOs, Tea Partiers or Indies in Nov 2012. Whatever our differences, we must all be ABOs.
Mmm…Popov!
You’re talking to the wrong posse, Lawyer Adams. Polls have indicated that Establishment types would be less likely to support a conservative nominee than conservatives would be to support an Establishment one.
Mike Castle took his ball and went home, dragging lots of liberal Republicans with him. They’re still whining about Sharon Angle – but how was she a worse candidate than Carly Fiorina?
What you say about McConnell is dead on. Mitt’s a lousy politician if he’s thinking of HIM for veep. Wouldn’t you rather see Bachmann debate Biden?
Retlaw,
I read your accusatory comment above that provided no link to reply to, your “sock puppet” statement.
Maybe you are new to PJ Media. I have commented on articles on this website for several years now. I believe you and I are actually probably allies. Don’t assume too much. When you read something that makes you suspicious have some evidence first before you make an ill advised and groundless accusation.
I spent a number of years studying the Soviet Union. “Samizdat” is a carefully chosen nom de guere. Have a little respect for why it was chosen, given the political realities that have evolved in our country over the last 40 years or so.
Your critisizm of one note philosophy is likewise off the mark. If you study the progressive movement over the last 100 plus years, you will see that both republicans and democrats have contributed to the demise of our once grand republic. Roosevelt and Nixon were both repubs who grew the government enormously, just like FDR and LBJ. Progressive philosophy is the common proven denominator in our nations demise. When I read your comments, I sense you actually understand what the problem is.
Kathryn may have duped me as I don’t know her history as you apparently do. Don’t mistake me for something I am not. Know that I am on the side of what made the US the greatest free society the world has ever seen.
Samizdat,
Yes, I think mine was a hasty judgement – I apologize. I began to suspect I was wrong when you praised Coolidge in a comment below. (Lefties nowadays have never even heard of our finest peace-time prez, 4th best over all.)
Yes, you have some points. The Bull Moose Party’s other name was Progressive, and TR couldn’t keep his hands off anything – anti-trust, parks, even spelling! He did build a fine navy and settle a war, though.
Nixon gave us base-line budgeting and the EPA, true. But Ike and Nixon used the power FDR had stolen from the people for the Dems to break up the Dems’ worst tyrannies: Jim Crow, segregated military, racist labor unions, segregated schools. Nixon did more for civil rights than any other white politician in our country’s history except for Lincoln – that’s why segregationist Senator Sam Ervin kept snoopy-dancing at the Watergate hearings.
He was a GOOD man, even if he was a big-gov bozo. It’s better to have good than bad in the White House, so quit hollering about no money and no vote for Romney. I like Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Santorum, and Gingrich better. But if Romney’s nominated, I WILL WORK FOR HIS ELECTION.
J,
Good luck with that. I guess you can’t see why a vote for Romney is just another vote to put a nail in the coffin.
Many of us here are sick about what has happened to our country over the last 100 years. It didn’t suddenly start 3 years ago. Obama is just the latest indicator that the cancer is progressing and accelerating. Romney is not a cancer drug, he is just another form of the disease.
Look at Romney’s record and what he believes in, he is just as progressive as Obama. They both believe in global warming, non freemarket solutions to healthcare, growing the size of government, ethanol subsidies, and mandated behavior. He is lung cancer instead of colon cancer.
He is part of the problem, too bad you can’t seem to understand that. That’s why the Republican party is in trouble with people like me. You represent the establishment that has ignored those of us who have principals and actually understand what we need for recovery.
No longer playing that game. No longer contributing money to people who don’t believe in a true republic, the Constitution, and free markets. No more ignoring history and values.
Have you ever heard the saying. “You can’t cheat an honest man.” This is so because the easiest way to con someone is to make him think that he and his “partner” are going to cheat someone else.
No one is in a better position to understand the psychology of the masses than a politician. We didn’t get here by accident. People like you, who see danger in current trends and care about that danger are in a small, powerless minority. The mass of humanity, including Americans, vote their own perceived advantages, whether in the near future or distant future. What is dishonest about the masses is their view of themselves as principled, honest, compassionate and well enough informed to make wise decisions, when in fact they are self serving, self deluding, greedy and intellectually lazy. We have socialism because it appeals to all that is dishonest and ignorant in humanity and in this country.
This weakness wasn’t so apparent 100+ years ago, because government was still bound by the Constitution and therefore played a very small role in every day life. People had to vote for the guy who would fill his constitutional role the best since there were few other criteria. Today, however, because intervening generations have allowed/demanded that government do more for them in their every day lives, the goal is to get and keep as many benefits for self as possible, and to hell with future generations and our vaunted “principles” of autonamous, mutual liberty.
Therefore, I consider the current political turmoil to be nothing more than a tempest in a teapot. Or, put another way, a drowning man’s last gasp. Civilizations go through cycles–birth, growth, decay and death. The US will be no more by the end of this century.
“Civilizations go through cycles–birth, growth, decay and death.”
Evidence abounds showing that we are currently in the “decay” stage. Not willing to predict though just when we reach death’s door, but surely as I speak it will ultimately happen. Kinda diminishes the significance of this “important” election just a bit, doesn’t it?
So really it boils down to greed. People who fall for cons were, excepting the legitimately naive, victims of their own greed. What they have been promised is too good to be true, but they ignore the warning signs and fall for it anyway.
The only problem with the scenario is that McDonnell doesn’t help Newt as much. Gingrich will probably go with Cain or Rubio.
Otherwise, McDonnell is solid.
The world? Y’know, this is the sort of guff which sounds ridiculous to people elsewhere in the world. Here (in Tasmania), for instance, the Greens are always saying that:
If they want a profitable, private business closed down, “The world is watching!”
If, on the other hand, they want a non-profitable, green business supported by taxpayers, “The world is watching!”
If they want even more bush protected from nasty loggers, “The world is watching!”
I understand that the occupy movements all over the English-speaking world shout, “The world is watching!”
Has anyone tried asking some ordinary folk of, say, Shigatse, São Paulo or Sekondi-Takoradi whether they follow the activities of Occupy London, or Republican primaries or Tasmanian Greens’ protests? I warrant that the majority of people around the world have other concerns, and are not watching.
Mind you, I am very far away from presidential primaries, and I’m watching.
How about we let the Republican primary voters vote before anointing the Mittster as the nominee? In 2008 the “most electable” was John McCain, and you can see where that got us. If Romney gets the nomination I’m writing in Mickey Mouse; at least I won’t be disappointed.
I will not vote for Romney.
My soul’s not sold to the RNC.
I’ll not hold my nose to swallow again,
A RINO who’s left of John McCain.
I think I’ll just wait here for a spell.
Watch these elitists go straight to hell.
Hold some hope, look at the sun.
Say a prayer that Sarah will run.
R and D are just two rails.
Tracks that seem to parallel.
Heading The Republic to its doom.
At the rate we’re going, we’ll be there soon.
How about we change the rules?
Quit the game played by these fools.
Run a candidate who drinks strong TEA.
Maybe then we can get free.
Very nice. Thoughtful. Thanks.
I wonder since she met with Donald, if we might have some rescue coming. For sure neither of them like what the demolition teams have done to our country. I think there are some big surprises coming. You know how Americans are when they get angry. They get smarter and more fierce than the creeps who think they have us cornered. Lots of that Change coming but not what the commies call Change.
— “Mitt Romney, the inevitable Republican presidential nominee …”
Okay, I’ll gladly vote for him over the boy emperor. But do you mind if we go through the primary process first? It’s kind of important. And speaking of which, why are there never any substantive articles treating with the mechanics of the GOP primary process? Has there been ANY success in the effort to convince state GOPs to consistently limit voting privileges to registered Republicans ONLY!? Clearly the rino elite want to prevent that, so has the Tea Party movement had any success in making these changes? I mean, this is how we always end up with centrist-triangulators rather than bona fide conservatives as our party nominee. Where are we on this? Who needs yet another article on Mitt’s supposed lock?
Too much Bad Feelings in this GOP race. Conservatives are divided amongst themselves. Too many Critics and NO PROBLEM Solvers. If you don’t like Mitt, JUMP into the Race and allow yourself to be the Punching Bag by at least a Thousand Haters and tell me how you feel? Easier said than done my friends. What has Mitt done to you that you have so much dislike at least of him. Where is the gratefulness and appreciations that this man deserves to offer his services to better and and improve our nations standards?
Please, reach deeply into your hearts and reconsider your choices. Voters made a BIG Mistake in 2008, Let it not happen again. Let not our anger and frustrations take over ourselves. Thank you for reading and listening. God Bless you all.
I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson in the primary, should he make it that far. I’ll make further decisions when options are more clearly defined.
If Romney was going to win, he’d have won already. He hasn’t.
Gary Johnson is a likeable candidate and I would vote for him. Climbing mountains like he does shows discipline, strength, focus, character.
While I agree that we need to wait until the nominating convention before declaring who is or is not anointed (read: get your panties in a wad) Let’s please recall what all this “posturing for principles” gets us … a split right wing, which is exactly what Perot and Paul want … the reality is that this buys us another 4 years of the Obamination … So what, I am a Romney supporter but you know what, if Romney isn’t the nominee then I will back whoever IS the nominee because I believe that if we need to change it up we need to do it from within the party not from alot of backbiting, wailing and gnashing of teeth … Even the anointed talking heads (Limbaugh, Humphries, Levin, Ingraham et al) who were all for Romney when he was up against John McCain, who was NOT by the way, the most electable candidate — that was a seniority vote (ie: I have been in the senate since Moses wandered in the desert for 40 years — who knows maybe McCain was there — The point is that both Dole and McCain were Seniority candidates who were both war heroes but either one was what you would call “ELECTABLE”. Palin, even with all her charisma couldn’t dig McCain out of his *snort, my friends, *snort routine … But here is the truth … Romney has the expertise in several arenas to win this race the question is will you stand up and unite against Obama or will you stomp your feet and act like petulant children because *your* candidate didn’t make the cut? I would vote for the nominee, even if I am not fond of him/her before helping Obama win by sitting out or writing in fictional cartoon characters or people who don’t make the cut because there is too much at stake, after all, you have not only the right but the RESPONSIBILITY to hold your elected officials feet to the fire and mold them into the principled conservatives you are wishing for…
Perhaps the rest of the field of candidates are better suited to cabinet positions rather than being POTUS … I have left a couple blank simply because I don’t have a good suggestion, feel free to write someone in
Attorney General – Mark Shurtleff (Utah AG)
Sec of Homeland Security – Tim Pawlenty
Sec of State – John Bolton #1, Newt Gingrich #2
Sec of Agriculture – Haley Barber
Sec of Defense – Newt Gingritch #1 (if not tagged for SOS)
Sec of Labor – Rick Perry
Sec of Commerce – Herman Cain
Sec of Transportation – Rick Santorum
Sec of Interior – Sarah Palin
Sec of Health and Human Services – Michelle Bachman #1, Bobby Jindal #2
Sec of Energy – John Huntsman (Could also be tagged as US Ambassador to UN)
Sec of Veterans Affairs – John McCain
Sec of Treasury – Paul Ryan #1, Michelle Bachman #2
Chairman of the Federal Reserve – Ron Paul
You just don’t get it, do you?
Romney is a RINO. He buys the global warming scam. He has the stinking Romneycare albatross around his neck. His father was one of the original RINOs, so it’s in the Mittster’s DNA that he, too, is a RINO. Look what nominating Bush 41 got us. Look at what nominating Dole got us. Look at what nominating McVain got us. Bush 43, despite being a good and honest man, was no Conservative.For just for one example, he didn’t veto TARP. And the Stupid Party Establishment wants to cram another RINO down our throats? No thank you! «Louis» made note of the RINOs you propose for some of the cabinet positions. We need to be a RINO-free zone!
Ann Coulter was on Hannity discussing Romney. She mentioned that Romney almost Beat Ted Kennedy for the Senate. She went on to say that had he done so we would have awarded him the presidency out of sheer gratitude.
What Anne forgot was WHY Mitt didn’t beat Ted Kennedy.
It was 1994 and Mitt was Leading Ted Kennedy through the summer. Then came September and Newt announced a Bold Approach to Nationalize the Congressional Elections.
The Contract With America.
It was popular with conservatives, it was a JOKE to the MSM.
So how did Mittens react to the Media Attitude? When asked about the Contract his first utterance was, “That’s the House, I’m running for the Senate!”
And the farther Mitt distanced himself from the Contract with America, the lower he sank in the polls. And in a Sea Change Year of Anti Incumbancy, Mitt Lost to an incumbant because given the choice between seeking a new direction and being Bold, Mitt chose Safe and MSM approved. It don’t get more RINO than that.
Mitt will be a great choice to Manage Washington D.C. and hold it in place so the next Leftist to be elected can just push it Leftward Ho when elected. We don’t need a manager, we need a leader to change the direction of this country.
That’s not Mitt!
Abolish Homeland Security, Health and Human Services,Labor,Commerce,Energy, Interior, EPA and Transportation
Sec of Agriculture – Haley Barber
Sec of State – John Bolton (Excellent)
John Huntsman (Could be seconded to the democrats)
Sec of Veterans Affairs – John McCain (Better than the Senate)
Sec of Treasury – Paul Ryan (possibly a waste)
Chairman of the Federal Reserve – Ron Paul (Excellent)
Special Advisor to the President for the Evisceration of the Federal Bureaucracy (Newt Gingrich)
And of course for UN Ambassador-Carlos Mencia
Actuaklly the subject of this article would make a better Secretary of Transportation (or Prince William Co. President Corey Stewart); they embrace innovative models for transportation without simply punting the needs ff into the future.
Santorum should not have defended JoePa unconditionally, he would actually have made a great president of Penn State University. Apart from that, he would be my dark horse for Secretary of State.
I and my family will never vote for Mitt Romney. Period.
– loses to Obama and then McDonnell will assert that by rights he is next in line to run against Biden? Sorry Establishment GOP: We will have many other good conservative and experienced governors and senators ready in 2016.
I’m very, very chuffed indeed to learn from Ms. Adams’ well thought out panegyric to Gov. Romney The Inevitable that he thinks so very, very highly of Gov. McDonnell who, in fact, has done wonders for Virginia. I submit, however, that Ms. Adams has left out one rather prominent consideration in writing about this match made in heaven, and indeed the inevitability of Mr. Romney: the Republican voters — who have yet to cast a single ballot in any primary. It is they who will determine just how inevitable Mr. Romney may be. Or not. So, while I appreciate Ms. Adams’ ardor for the Romney cause, and her careful supporting reasoning, doesn’t this article jump the gun by maybe eight months, give or take a bit?
What has Willard done to me? Since I don’t live in Massachusetts, nothing yet, but I don’t intend to give him the chance. Romney is pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-citizenship for illegals, pro-government mandates on citizens, pro-RobamaCare, pro-BigGov – just to name a few of his blue-state, silver-spoon liberal, legacy-politician held positions on how to run my life. Keep pushing Romney and see a Goldwater-size defeat in November 2012.
Flash, You’ve summarized very nicely what I know about Romney. His track record is not inspiring to me. What seems apparent and would be more useful than having the author declare him the winner by several lengths would be an analysis of how someone who ran previously and to-date hasn’t stopped can still only garner a 25% following no matter how much he spends or how long he runs.
It looks like the left attacks more serious conservative candidates (if they aren’t stepping all other themselves) while some other force is pushing, pushing pushing this guy to be the “last man standing.” Call it the old money establishment but this is our last gasp for freedom. I agree with Ahem in comment #5 above. This is make or break time. After that the march to a socialist state continues or the next world war hits because the US is no unable to act as the world’s sheriff and all the bad guys will be running amok.
Who from where & Romney? Bad choice. Bad process of choosing. Let’s alienate and cut out the people some more with an insider deal on the VP. That will really fly these days. The role of high handed insider wheeling dealing is not a part Romney really wants to play. One would have hoped the days of boy emperors were over.
It seems appropriate that someone who worked with McCain would think this is a slam dunk. I can tell you right now, if all that you have is the “anointed” card to play and you haven’t got anything else, you might as well pack it up and go home. Dole and McCain are too fresh in the collective memory.
So the rap on Romney is that he is not conservative enough and is unwilling to take principled stands. You true blue conservatives are a real hoot. To wit: here are three questions for those of you who contend that the U.S. is a “conservative right” country. (1) Tom Coburn is one of the most principled and conservative men in Washington who has who has put forward an intelligent and comprehensive proposal for fiscal reform. Unfortunately, no one, including conservatives, seems to want to talk about it. Why the silence? (2) And then there is Paul Ryan, who has outlined a responsible plan for Medicare reform, which immediately drew a response from the left consisting of a profoundly dishonest caricature of a Paul Ryan figure pushing granny off the cliff. Who on the right took his side and defended him? Again, a few peeps, but not much more. (3) And finally, there is the recent AARP ad, which promises political death to anyone who might consider cutting even one thin dime from Social Security or Medicare. Anyone from the “conservative” camp pushing back on this cheap demagoguery? No. Why? The answer to all three is simple: we are not a center right country at all when it comes to the massive benefits that our government lovingly bestows on us. We the people really like those benefits, just as we the people hate paying for them. Americans, whether left or right, love a free lunch. Cut Social Security and Medicare? Not on your life! At the end of the day (which may be fast approaching), all too many of those who style themselves as conservatives are, to coin a phrase, little more than Conservatives in Name Only. That would be CINOs. And that’s why a “pure” conservative will never sit in the White House.
Romney endorsed the CCB (cut, cap, and balance) that was passed by the House, and endorsed Ryan’s plan. His own plan incorporates Ryan’s Plan with further tweaks. Ryan has gone on the record saying Romney’s Medicare plan is better than his own.
But still, the dead enders keep claiming he isn’t a conservative (even though Rush and the other malcontents said he was a conservative in 2008). You practically have to carry a club and wear a bearskin these days to get the exalted title of “conservative”.
Well, William boy, seems you should heed the advice to stay quiet and have some people think you a fool rather than speak and validate to all thou are one!
If that is your idea of a conservative, you wouldn’t know one if it stared you in the face. Study up boy and learn that on the scale of ultra lib to ultra right, the difference between an Obama and a Romney is about the same as we saw the last election with an Obama and a McCain. Very small difference except for John’s war hero status. But to you, Mitt’s silver spoon probably means more to you in terms of status.
So, unless you are a shill for a Mormon candidate, why don’t you name some other acceptable conservative candidates that don’t drag their knuckles and live in a cave? Surely in a land of 330 million there must be more than Obama and Romney!
This “william” is a Dem playing Alinsky games. He’s a time-wasting prat, so don’t botherf with him, aguila.
William,
No, you have to believe in Jefferson, Friedman, and Coolidge. It’s always good to know who believes in freedom and free markets, and who doesn’t.
My sentiments as well, as I have said before on threads to other articles. Until we can successfully unshackle ourselves, collectively speaking, from the entitlement mentality that is such a huge part of our daily lives, we can never count on having but just a small number of true conservative pols out there representing us.
….never count on anything but having….
What about Rubio? Doesn’t he bring even more to the table? Florida is even more important that Virginia. I know Rubio says he’s not going to accept vp,but how can someone turn it down if offered to serve their country in that way?
a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.
Funny how little Miss Myra has it all figured out before a single primary vote is cast. And we wonder why they call Republicans the stupid party. Maybe it has something to do with the way they keep trying to repackage the guy who came in second the last time their primary was contested because it’s his turn and that’s what’s fair. I supported Romney over McCain in 2008 but I find that Romney 2012 has all the appeal of a mashed potato sandwich on Wonder Bread sans gravy- over processed, insipid and not very high in nutritional content.
Romney was a conservative in 2008, according to Rush and the gang. He has since moved further right but now he is a moderate? Something odd going on here.
RINOmny and who?
My hope- no one gets a majority of delegates in the primaries- and after several ballots, the delegates settle on Sarah, a former governor. O’Donnell would make an excellent VP choice for her.
That 25% has been a consistent ceiling for Romney. There’s a reason for that- he’s the establishments first choice, and nobody elses first or second choice.
I like the sentiment, but it wouldn’t be Palin getting the nomination in that scenario. It would be Huckabee. Reason? The Ron Paul delegates are the key. They don’t take Palin seriously, but they respect Huckabee. Huckabee can get the backing of Cain and Paul supporters, while neither Cain nor Romney will be able to bring the Paul supporters into their camp, and the most likely scenario for a brokered convention involves Paul securing enough delegates to deny the top two candidates the nomination.
Ron Paul won’t win any states, but he’ll lock up a sizable contingent among district level and proportional awarded delegates, as well as delegates who are officially uncommitted. In a close enough race, he can be a spanner in the works. Watch Texas and Pennsylvania- the former is Paul’s home state, and the latter is a large state whose delegation is entirely uncommitted. If Paul can make a stand in Texas and Pennsylvania, he has a shot at securing the 300 or so delegates he’d need to have a good shot at dictating terms at a brokered convention.
Seems pretty obvious, everybody agrees to disagree. Only a few folks are paying attention right now and even fewer are decided! This process is far from over. When it all comes to a head this election will be Obama v/s ABO just like ’04 Bush v/s ABB!!!!!
Just my input, Cain is the only person I’ve seen that I want to vote FOR!!! All others are a vote against Obama!
I consider myself a conservative, and I’m fairly comfortable with Romney. Why?
The main criticism of Romney is that he’s not a conservative. Agreed. But — let us not exaggerate — neither is he a leftist ideologue like Obama. Herman Cain is not a conservative either, aside from one narrow fiscal issue, which apparently is the only thing he knows, since he keeps harping on it — yet for some reason that doesn’t seem to be hurting him with “the base.”
Romney’s chief vice, that he’s unprincipled or opportunistic, can also be seen as the virtue of being practical and common-sense. After all, the last two Presidents (including Obama) have possibly been the most ideological (that is, “principled”) Presidents in the country’s history, and both left the country considerably worse off than they’d found it. It may be that having an “opportunist”, and one of Romney’s great practical intelligence and proven organizational skill, wouldn’t be quite so bad.
At least Romney is not utterly unqualified to be President, which is more than can be said for his rivals.
“which is more than can be said for his rivals.”
Not sure how you can credibly lump Gingrich in that category. He is easily as qualified as Romney (more so, actually).
RINO McCain lost to Obambi last time if the GOP put forward another RINO like Romney he will suffer the same fate. Its time Republicans stood up and were counted and were proud of their conservatism no ashamed of it. Because thats what the left wing moonbats are counting on.
It doesn’t strike me as fair to compare Romney to McCain, who made an utter mess of his campaign by dropping the ball to go up on CH to do nothing about the financial debacle (an understatement) & refusing to go for O’s jugular (politically, of course). I don’t think Romney is likely to conduct his campaign in such a clumsy, misguided fashion. If the economy doesn’t improve, if the unemployment rate doesn’t go down, O is not going to be that difficult to beat. People, generally speaking, vote with their wallets.
One RINO is much the same as another and its only nuances which separate Romney from McCain. I repeat in order to win the GOP need to select a true conservative who can offer a complete contrast to the Affirmative Action Teleprompter Kid and not just a left wing moonbat Deem’o'crat lite.
What the GoP elite and supporters don’t seem to know is that there are a growing number of regular GoP voters who won’t vote for Romney. Romney is not a regular guy like the Tea Party candidates. And the GoP doesn’t have that issue handled at all rather they are making it worse with articles like this. lol
Yawn. Another pseudo-pundit telling me who to support.
Ain’t happening this year. I hope you get paid by the word.
it ain’t over til the fat lady sings, and you’re skinny.
Go Perry! who had the good sense to go campaign on tv, on the letterman show, after the debates. and the good sense to twitter. he’s talking to real people, not going through the competitive shampooing and dunking booth event that’s all a debate is, these days.
There’s a new book out about the best hires. It features Teach for America. TfA started by hiring inspiring orators. And they sucked as teachers. They just could not run a classroom. They couldn’t debate and show- off. So TfA went looking at the effective teachers- you know, the sort that GOVERN a classroom well? and found it was a far less glamorous and light on their feet group. No facile answers- just steady, resilient, competent daily progress. Romney governed a state nearly into the ground. Perry GOVERNED Texas to soaring high glory.
Go Perry, or go home.
thanks for a good laugh. a more clueless, incoherent exposition is hardly possible. mcdonnell would be a fool and laughing stock amongst tea partyers to link himself with a rino like romneyfeller. it wouldn’t suprise me however, political suicide amongst republicans is not uncommon. the republican party, as lead by the republican elites, is dead. it died at the hands of boehner and company this year. it’s just waiting for the fork at this point.
obama will win likely in a walk if another rino is put forth by the republican collective.
our hope will be to work down ticket to elect *conservatives* to pick up the pieces on the other side of the collapse, which, again thanks to the republican and their fecklessness, is inevitable. whether that is even possible at this point is the only question that remains.
Myra … is this a joke?
Romney will not lead America … and no amount of uttering by O’Connell will make any difference. We’ve been down this road before; and; as America never forgets, we won’t pick an “establishment” candidate ever again. This stuff you’re writing is very disrespectful to citizens that believe in the destiny of America … like McCain, Romney won’t do – even if he IS Mr. Competent-and-well-groomed; that’s NOT what this election is all about – this is NOT business as usual.
Of course I love the post Myra, having endured a heavy dosage of ‘what for’ defending the Big Mitt on various occations here. Declaring the ‘inevitablity’ is Red Meat with the silly season yet to have even an Iowa straw vote yet tallied.
But to start an office pool on the VP? RED MEAT TO RABID JUNKYARD DOGS.
That said; I want nothing more in my life as badly as to end Obamanation. Chris Rock is right – an Obama 2nd term is full-kilt off the hook Gansta $%^t waiting to happen – relieved of the necessities of any pretext of seeking re-election would make his presidential signings of late kindergarden (*&T….PLEASE!
If we are gonna wax all speculative on the subject…Bob McDonnell is a not so fine choice. Oh I love the guy. But I don’t love him for the service you wish to press him into.
It seems to me that you still MUST go beyond just the mistake McCain made in deciding that the only use for VP is to unify a diverse and possibly fractured party.
That is unless, like McShamnesty, YOU EXPECT TO LOSE.
If you want to win, and any candidate beside father time who fought the good fight in Vietnam SHOULD ONLY TAKE THE NOMINATION WITH THE INTENTION OF WINNING – then you should pick a VP that is going to pull in crucial Electoral Votes – besides the plus’s you mention.
I think you have made a sly suggestion with McDonnell that overstates the obvious Religion question – which – given the Big Mitts history (executive experience in Biz and won as Gov in Mass) – is badly overblown within the party.
That McDonnell is a favorite of religious conservatives – every bit Huckabee but without seminary – makes this marriage a bit too forced to be credible or even healthy. It’ll inevitably cause more problems than it hopes to solve.
For another – never forget the Quail education. Being recently anointed to the Gov Association chair makes for a shiny patina – but there is no heft without experience. McDonnell, Christy, Jindal, Rubio, these folks are doing a great job HAVING THEIR EXPERIENCE.
Their time will come.
What we need is someone who brings convincing experience to the job. Cheney was the best choice Bush made before the Tax Cuts. Bush I was both a surprise and an inspired choice by Reagan as well.
Basically, choosing a mate is the first decision a future Prez makes. I can’t stand Joe Biden, but you have to give the O-man credit for the choice; Biden has served the purpose. He’s been useful for the domestic policy O has pursued on the Hill, is as thick skinned as they get, and relishes the role of being attack dog in the media when called on. Plus, besides farming Hillary over as Sec of State, choosing Biden pleased just about everyone on his side of the ideological street.
Any VP choice the Republican Nominee takes will have to help in more than just Virgina to have any hope of knocking off Obama. They will have to have an impact in the vital swing states that O-man peeled off to win in ’08; Virgina, North Carolina, Ohio, PA, Florida, Indiana, & Colorado.
It’s gonna have to be more inspired than Bob McDonnell. McDonnell did fine winning in ’10, and is doing a great job right where he is. Tearing him away is too smart by half. Sure he helps carry VA, then what?
What this country is hungry for is a ticket that oozzes experience to turn the countries fortunes around.
Obama is a one trick pony – Republicans are mean & nasty earth killing polluters who want to sell your children into wage slavery to oil companies and let Kevorikian vampires feed off your grandma and call it fiscally responsibility…
To beat the Affirmative Action Prez that is so ‘likable’ we have to present a message that answers the economic problems confronting us – a ticket of credible candidates with enough proven experience to plausibly project the ability to execute the policy prescriptions they are selling as those answers.
Great commentary, but no name is suggested. Please suggest one.
You, Myra, always and only you!
(Don’t mean to ride you – you look lovely in the pic.)
You are a hypocritical buffoon. Romney is the best and brightest. He is a brilliant man with a proven track record for understanding how the economy works and how to get things done. It is the extremist elements of the so-called Christian Evangelicals like you who are tearing the country apart and damaging the GOPs best chance.
I have said previously and often that I will vote for the Republican candidate whomever it may be. I am having second thoughts about that and, if Governor Romney turns out to be the Republican candidate, may not vote or may well vote for a third party candidate if there is one and I approve of him or her. The situation is presently worse than sickening. I am, by the way, an Agnostic rather than an evangelical or other species of Christian.
The federal government has become far too big, intrusive, cumbersome, inept and expensive; the Constitution has become a plaything, to be ignored at will or distorted beyond recognition. Governor Romney seems likely to continue the march in that direction. It is conceivable that he might slow it down due to pressures from conservatives but I am far from convinced of that. We need to reverse the march, not to continue marching in the same absurd direction. I do not think that Governor Romney desires, or is capable of, that.
If you want a new/third Party to replace the GOP in 2016, fine by me!
I’m getting a bit tired of Romney folks waving his credentials and demanding that we see that he has all the right ingredients for a successful presidency.
So what? If you put a bottle of flat soda out on a hot day, it will have all the right ingredients – except for one: pizzazz; fizz; carbonation; bubbly. People will not choose it.
Myra,
You may be correct about your Mitt/Bob prediction, but, I don’t think so.
That duo is no great double play combo a la Aparicio and Fox. Rather, Mitt and Bob are out and out boring. And you need an excitingly confident team to beat Obama.
Looks to me like the top of the ticket has to say Newt.
If the bottom of the ticket says, Marco, so much the better. The point is, everybody on the right can get excited over this ticket because these guys are the ones who can out-talk and out think the left. Both are capable of swatting down the left talking and lying points with the ease of the sultan of swat pointing to the center field bleachers at Wrigley Field and air mailing a hard ball to the target.
With all his brain power, Newt’ll take Obama to the cleaners in the debates; give Obama the beating of his life. And that’ll provide the independent votes that’ll fuel the Gingrich rocket to the White House.
As impotent as Republican strategists seems always to be. As bad as their commercials seem to end up. As ball-less as the Republican staffers and handlers are, Newt’s intelligence can overcome it all. Because he’ll always be the brightest guy in the room.
Face to face with Gingrich, Obama will wilt like a school girl who spilled mustard all over her favorite party dress. Simply put, Mitt and Bob can’t hold a candle to Newt and Marco.
Sorry, Myra. But if you want to win the big game, that’s the ticket.
Mitt and Bob aren’t a done deal. They’re just a dumb deal. rachel
Well said. But will Gingrich be able to overcome the bad press that is bound to rain upon him like a veritable torrent? He and his team will have to put forth a heroic effort to answer to it all. I think he can do it but will he? (One can only hope……).
Although not a Gingrich fan myself, I probably would vote for him. There couldn’t possibly be more “stuff” coming out about his personal life than what we and the media already know. Something that nags at me about Romney though is what he said at one point in an interview and I am paraphrasing: “I can’t have illegals working for me I am running for office” Does that mean he would hire illegals if he were not running for office?
Should Romney be the nominee, large swathes of the conservative base will fall away. It simply won’t matter to a “movement” conservative who gets the nod for second banana. So Romney’s chances will depend on his appeal to unaligned voters — and they’re more difficult to predict than one might suppose, especially when one of the candidates is the incumbent president.
Many of us rallied, albeit reluctantly, behind the McCain / Palin ticket specifically because we admired and were enthused by Sarah Palin. That didn’t put McCain over the top; indeed, after his managers started interfering with her campaign tactics, his loss was foreordained. I can’t imagine that McDonnell, who appears to be a decent man and a competent governor, could do more for Romney than Palin did for McCain — or that Romney would refrain from leashing and muzzling McDonnell quite as tightly as McCain did Palin.
Finally, should Romney win the White House, the really big questions come to the fore:
1. How will he govern? As the conservative he claims to be today, or as the liberal Republican of his time as Massachusetts governor?
2. Who will he select for his Cabinet? How much policy latitude will his Cabinet officers have?
3. What sort of relationship will he have with the (seemingly) more conservative Republicans we’ve been installing in Congress?
4. Will he respond to public pressure, and if so, in which direction?
Finally, Romney, be it remembered, has been pursuing ever-higher office for two decades. The man thinks himself to be worthy of great power; moreover, when he had it, he used it freely. That’s never a good sign — and vice-presidents seldom have much influence on the man in the Oval Office, regardless of their views.
Friends, Republicans, Countrymen, lend me your ears, for I come to praise Romney, not to belittle him.
Romney is an efficient manager. If that is what you are looking for, he’s your man. Indeed, I fully expect Romney would efficiently manage our decline. What he would not do is reverse that decline. How do I know this? Because Romney is an efficient manager, not a revolutionary, reformer or even an ideologue. One need only look at his track record as Governor of Massachusetts. He managed to make the state government larger, more powerful and more intrusive through Romneycare and other programs.
For Romney, it is not that a big all powerful government is inherently bad, its just that it needs to be run efficiently. Like the German people used to say of the Hitler regime, “at least the trains always ran on time”, never mind that many of those trains were transporting human beings as cattle to be enslaved in work camps or slaughtered in gas ovens. Not that Romney would ever countenance such acts. But he would certainly leave the system in place for someone who would. Herein lies the problem.
The size and scope of the Federal Government and its intrusiveness into our lives will not magically disappear if Romney is elected. Sadly, neither will it diminish if most of the other candidates are elected either, for which of them espouse a smaller more limited Federal presence? Ron Paul does, but no one takes him seriously due to his nonsensical foreign policy stances. Isolationism does not make us stronger any more than it did prior to both the World Wars. Indeed, some would argue, those wars were able to metastasize and erupt precisely because we were not fully engaged on the world stage.
What we need is a leader who is willing to roll back the power of the Federal Government, and that task will not be an easy one. It will require courage and perseverance, for the entrenched power structure will resist kicking and screaming every step of the way. Think Madison and OWS on steroids. What we need is someone like Sarah Palin who isn’t afraid to put either side of the aisle in prison for corruption or malfeasance, someone who will begin the process of returning this country to its founding principles enshrined so eloquently in the Constitution. The heck with it, we need Sarah Palin!
Dear Ariel,
Let me first state that I agree with your assessment of Romney completely.
Many here can assure you that I have stated ad nausium that “Romney will prove adept at managing a Liberal Mess far better than any Democrat ever could.”
However, I have to take you to task regarding your History.
You said, “Like the German people used to say of the Hitler regime, “at least the trains always ran on time”, ”
That quote was actually regarding the Italian people when referring to Musolini.
Oh no, italian trains never run on time, not under Mussolini nor under Berlusconi. The statement is one of those WWII myths. Perhaps someone got it mixed up with Swiss trains, they always run on time, no myth there.
There a couple of ways to take the phrase Against The Wind. One is to go against prevailing forces which requires commitment and fight, the other is just to “go” against the wind which is dampening. Herman Munster knows no right direction to aim if it requires truth. People you can’t be serious, if you are Conservative or Republican or Independent, about this corn ball. Let us not be fools again. We will never be anything else if we let this happen.
A necessary condition for Obama to win in 2012 would be for him to take my state of PA. So far of all the GOP candidates only Romney polls well here. A Romney-McDonnell ticket would put him over the top imo.
THANK YOU! YOU ARE A VOICE OF REASON IN THE DARKNESS!
And how does “nameless GOP nominee” poll against Obama in PA? The stat is silly.
Look, Establishment wisdom since Nixon is that the Indies go for the “moderate” candidate – even though we haven’t had a landslide since Reagan. It’s wrong, Indies want a real alternative!
But set that aside. Obama’s doing so badly that a paper bag would beat him in Pennsylvania! We can afford to choose the BEST guy for the job, not the guy with the supposed “best chance of winning”.
Just be honest and say what you want. Say “X is too conservative for me” instead of “X cannot win”. Then we can have a real conversation instead of accusations of “Beltway Insider!” and “Know-nothing Hick!”
I’m from PA as well, and my opinion of the state GOP organization is that they are just as, if not more than, RINOish than Romney, so *of course* they are backing him. The Tea Party organizations in the state are backing Cain. You probably wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the Tea Party and establishment GOP in PA don’t see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, but I notice that they (the PA GOP establishment) is more than willing to take credit for the recent flips from Dem to GOP in several of the counties’ row offices.
Unfortunately, by the time the primaries get to us, the choice is going to be the GOP candidate that Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida and South Carolina voters have chosen. If the end result happens to be Romney – and there’s no guarantee of that yet, despite your assertions to the contrary – I’ll vote for him only because I am absolutely NOT staying home. Getting Obama out of the White House is the first priority.
Of course Herman Munster would do well in PA. The “guys” at Penn State will twirl their pompoms for him. Zombie Land.
Wow, and I thought Michael Moore’s fingers were too fat to type…
So it’s McCain part deux, is it? Why does the GOP want to lose another presidential election? This is a fact: the US can’t survive four more years under Obama. I’m in doubt if it can survive another year under Obama.
I was the top poster on this thread (really!). My comments on the ensuing discussion.
(1) My top principle: ABO
(2) It follows I’ll vote for the Republican candidate still standing next summer.
(3) But Romney turns my guts. See Mr. Porretto, #48 above.
(4) At this point, I prefer Gingrich: his ability to articulate clearly, his intelligence, his debating skills, his role in the Republican Revolution of the 90s. But see (2).
P.S. On Gingrich’s position on global warming, and his infamous ad with Nancy Pelosi, see his abject apology on “Center Seat”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHiKlYVu_2c . I agree with his position there: “agnostic” on whether gw is occurring, recognition that climate change is a recurrent fact throughout prehistory and history, arguing for free enterprise solutions.
a vote for romney is a vote for liberalism. a vote for paul is a foolish waste of time. a vote for cain is a vote for anti-feminism. a vote for gingrich is an intellectual vote, but a non-winner. a vote for bachmann means you have no idea what leadership is really all about. a vote for santorum means that you are a one issue person (anti-abortion). okay, here it is… a vote for perry means that you understand regulations are killing our economy. you understand that energy production will eliminate our debt and make us a stronger nation. you understand what experience means to the office of president. okay send the flak. but, believe me, i am right!
So, all the “conservatives” here want to keep the commies in power and give them the possibility to control the supreme court, and let islamic imperialism control half of the world and destroy Israel.
Congrats.
I think that all the guys who do not vote against Obama this time (and the last time too) are just brainwashed.
The commies call them “useful idiots”, and that’s what I will call from now on all the pseudo-”conservatives” who support the building of the commie regime.
Useful idiots.
If I were a mind-numbed Democrat, what a happy circumstance it would be to have a Romney-Obama election. Heads I win tails you lose. I see more clearly what Whittaker Chambers was talking about when he informed his wife that he was leaving the communist underground: we’re leaving the winning side for the losing side.
Let’s pray it’s not Romney, as he will surely lose to Obama. He is a phony conservative, one who will say or do whatever it takes, not because he truly believes. Therefore there will almost certainly be a third party challenge, dooming his chances. This is the guy who came in third to John McCain and Mike Huckabee.
What NONE of you understand is that if you sit out this election, then it doesn’t matter who the Republican party puts up as the candidate, because Obama will win. Is that what you really want? I don’t think so, but then again, I would be pretty much willing to vote for any Republican because, to me, the worst Republican is better than the best Democrat. And I don’t want to see a second term for Obama.
What you don’t understand GHU is the lesson of 2006.
Those people who today are called the ‘Tea Party’ were calling national talk radio shows (and local one’s too) and declaring; “Republicans DESERVE to Lose!”
In spite fo Michael Medved’s best efforts, the Republicans took a licking in 2006 and a followup in 2008.
Democrats in Republican’s Clothing (DIRC) were cleaning up against RINOs everywhere.
Putting a RINO in the top spot will not Reverse Course. At best the course will remain the same but at a slower pace. This will set the stage for when dispirited and disheartened voters once again turn to the DIRCs and put another liberal in the white house to simply engage the throttle once again and push us headlong for the cliff.
We don’t need better management of Washington DC, we need a change of course and a solid foundation for that course. It’s not about this piece of legislation or that position, it’s about being committed to making the change.
When Reagan ‘Compromised’ he got something in return for the compromise, and he didn’t consider the battle finished and on to the next thing, he continued to press and fight for what he wanted. Boehner has said not word ONE regarding Obamacare since the Token bill passed to repeal it at the start of 2011. “Well that’s done, now on to the REAL business of being a RINO.”
Better to have Obama get all of the blame for the mess than electing a Romney to muddy the waters and do damage to the Republican Brand as W did.
jd, extremely well stated!
Presidential elections are not won because of a so called quality VP candidate.The name on the top of the ticket has to bring home the voters. Mitt Romney is less of a back stabber than the last loser “maverick” McCain but who knows if Romney had became senator instead of a governor he may have played the role well.The bottom line is I don’t trust Romney to be rock solid on any issue, he is more like play-dough ready molded by the friends in the democrat party.
There’s more than a little desperation and fear going on with all these Romney-pushing posts, not only here but in other, so-called “conservative” blogs such as NRO, the Weekly Standard and the Washington Examiner.
The desperation is likely coming from Romney himself. As Mr. Porretto (#48) has said in his comment, Romney has been running for ever-higher office for two decades. That he still can’t get past 25% is telling. He’s trying as hard as he can to fade into the woodwork for now so he can be the last man standing, but the word is out and readily available for all to see as it wasn’t two decades ago of his record of flip-flops and equivocations. I’m sure he can see his prize slipping away: “But it’s MY TURN to be president!”
The fear is coming from the establishment GOP, the likely 25% of Romney’s support, because if someone other than Romney gets the nomination, there goes their business-as-usual power game. I’m not one to tout a third party, but the GOP as it’s presently configured needs much more than a little excision of these establishment types.
This article, along with Push Polling, and the New and Improved fad of Election Modeling are all part of the same Media influenced attitude.
You want to vote for a winner don’t you. Well this is the winner so you’d best vote for the winner. Otherwise your vote is ‘Wasted.’
This is not about reporting where people are, it’s about influencing people to Change where they are. It’s about Advertisement disguised as study or commentary. It’s about convincing people that Since Mitt is inevetable they should be getting with the program and be part of that inevetability.
And that’s the lesson of Christine O’Donnell, Folks is tired of ‘getting with the Establishment Program and are Tired of supporting someone who isn’t going to represent them.
Mort Sahl used to say, “Give the people a choice between a Democrat and a Democrat, and they will choose the Democrat every time.” (See Ford, Dole, and McCain for an example of this theory in practice.)
This is the primary season and most conservatives are DONE with giving the people a choice between a Democrat and a Democrat!
It seems to me that commenters split into two basic groups here. If you were involved in the Tea Party movement this is a very different situation. After the healthcare townhalls, after the 2010 midterms, we understand that WE did the Establishment Republicans work for them. They sat silent or were subtly dismissive of the efforts of Sarah Palin and many others. Now, they say that we must stand down and they will take over from here. They are cynical and contemptuous of the values of the Tea Party. When the Tea Party began, we realized that it could not be a Republican movement, we could not attract Libertarians and Democrats unless we stood on principle. Crony capitalists are Republicans too. The Establishment/Crony Capitalist wing of the party kept quiet and let us go on, now, cynically they want us to overlook their practices. It is an uncomfortable position to be forced to take, but that wing of the party could also understand that they have a shrinking 25% share of the party. They should have seen this coming, eh? Think they have us over a barrel Myra? Not as long as blood is warm in my veins, I’ll write in Sarah and the chips can fall where they will.
Look man, I’m going to be blunt. Your candidate, Sarah Palin is too big a coward to run for president. Don’t punish the people who had the balls to run. You think by stabbing us in the back, Sarah is going to run in 2016? You need to start thinking about the country and get off the Sarah cult. She made her money, quit worrying about her.
“…they sat silent or were subtly dismissive..” Was that you William? Don’t like that knife? Let’s try this one, I’ll write in Huntsman and let the chips fall where they will. These establishment types are so authoritarian! See you on the barricades!
Can Romneybama beat the real thing? If I want a lib, I’ll buy a lib.
If I had a nickel for every person claiming he will not vote if such and such is the nominee, I would be a millionaire.
Ron Paul was the latest to play this foolish game, which of course ends in an Obama re-election. Now the Cain supporters are starting the same mantra. We must be part of the mythical establishment if we are against their candidate.
Blackmailing other Republican voters is not the way to gain support for your candidate. We hear that “tea party people will stay home”. Fine, but please us tell ahead of time so we can look for votes elsewhere. We can’t just keep electing leftists because a rump 10% is complaining their cult leader didn’t get the nomination.
Spare us your whining. Having the GOP nominating an Obama clone is not the way to defeat Obama. Schwarzenegger got a lot of votes from those looking to defeat the Democrats at any price, yet his hard-left administration left the California GOP in a far worse position than when it started.
If you liked Schwarzenegger, McCain, Crist, Specter, Graham, and Scozzofava, you will love Mittens. The GOP nominating a pro-socialized medicine global warming fanatic – who wudda thunk it after the drubbing Democrats took in 2010?
Carn – I’ll vote for the Parrot even if it is deceased. So far, so good wth McDonnell though I would still prefer Marco Rubio as a running mate.
Dr. Shalit
If this is the ticket I may sit this one out. I’m definitely not on the “anybody but Obama” bandwagon. Sometimes your better off with the enemy you know and oppose, than the backstabber you don’t!
My preference for President has decided that she will not run in 2012.
The most important thing to do is beat the current incumbent. Since a 3rd party candidate will not be able to do that, I will vote for whoever the Republican nominee happens to be. I don’t care about his religion. I don’t care about false accusations against him. I don’t care if he has a ‘senior’ moment in a debate. I don’t care what clothes she wears.
The most important thing to do is make sure the next occupant of the White House has an ‘R’ next to their name. The next most important thing to do is make sure that both Houses of Congress are controlled by Solid Veto-Proof Republican majorities.
Believe me I respect your opinion. However, that is exactly what the Rebub establishment, Romney and formerly McCain, Dole et al were/are counting on. They expect the drones to vote for anybody as long as the R is there. Not me, no Romney, end of story.
Romney and Gingrich will most likely be the last two men standing. I will crawl, wade through water, plow through snow, anything I have to do to make sure my vote is against Barack Hussein Obama.
I don’t care people if people tell me I am not a real conservative or not. I am a real American first and I do not want 4 more years of the “nowhere man” leading this country into more disaster.
I will gamble and take my chances on any new leader. At least I know Gingrich and Romney love this country, that’s enough for me.
He Can’t break 30% in the polls, but he’s inevitable? Baloney! The base does
not trust Romney, nor should they. He is the candidate of the establishment, and most of us don’t trust them either. The mostly east-coast/DC establishment has been fighting a delaying action since the Depression. It is time to start gaining some ground back, or there will be nothing left.
We desparately need a true conservative candidate, not a perfect one, but a good one. Maybe we should engineer a deadlocked convention and nominate McDonnell?
william of bedford -
Where did you hear Cain supporters threatening not to vote if it’s not Cain?
Because I think, from reading many of your comments, that you absolutely loathe Cain and are just perpetuating nonsense in an attempt to lump Cain in with other novelty candidates.
I’m a Cain supporter and it’s because I’ve made a thoughtful decision. The only person I will never again cast a ballot for is Mitt Romney.
Cain’s numbers have not plummeted as a result of the Axelrod inspired hit job of women dredged up to destroy him and his character.
The main steam media is essentially being ignored for the first time I can think of. FOX News, conservative talk radio and the internet have sucked all the influence out of the once allmighty main stream media PERMANENTLY and I think the MSM knows it.
This is a huge turn of evetnts because the left/progressive/democrat/union coallition BIGGEST WEAPON HAS BEEN CASTRATED.
Whether it’s Carville, Emanuel, Axelrod, Plouffe, Shrumm or whoever in the left wing strategy camp, they have had their biggest gun taken away because the American people are now ignoring the Washington Post/New York Times/NBC/CNN/ABC/CBS/MSNBC/CNBC talking heads and their attempts to lie and fool the electors as they did with Frank Marshal Davis Jr. aka BARRack (that’s how Sr. pronounced it) Obama.
This means the Democrat party is SCREWED!
More proof, and recent proof at that, that Romney will not seriously try to save the country.
New Hampshire debate, October 12, 2011
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/politics&id=8386892
Headline: Romney on middle ground: I can work with Democrats
Take away quote from the article:
“Romney said he would work with “good” Democrats to lead the country out of economic crisis. He said that’s what he did as Massachusetts governor and what he would do if he wins the White House.”
Work with “good” Democrats; my aching gluteus Maximi, Minimi, and Mediali. The one thing that we have been given a clear lesson on during the last 3 years is that there is no such animal. It is extinct. Every [multiple expletives in English, German, and Chinese deleted here] one of them is an implacable enemy. Every single one of them will vote to destroy the country and Constitution if so directed by their Leftist masters. There are no “Blue Dogs” [which was a myth anyway, they just give lying speeches at home criticizing the very things that they do quietly in DC.].
There are no “good” Democrats to work with, and the only thing to do that can save the country is to defeat them completely. Legislatively,…. if possible. Working with them, involves making concessions to them that advance the cause of a collectivist dictatorship. The goolie-less, gormless wonder, Romney will NOT stand and fight. Or rather, he will draw the line at anything that will offend his good friends across the aisle. Which means he will fight us.
The Democrats are making their play now. Their elected and appointed officials have been issuing statements and writing articles calling for cancelling elections and reducing the role of elected officials in our government, preferring to appoint bureaucrats to govern us. One of Obama’s Czars was the driving force behind the #Occupy movement, and has called for an “American Fall” to take over the country like the Muslim Brotherhood’s Arab Spring. [citations on request]. Every Leftist and Democrat group up to and including the White House has sided with the #Occupy movement, including the labor unions. They are setting up the assumption that anything that their people do in the streets is allowed outside the legal system [with the willing collaboration of local Democrat officials]. If we do not both win AND push back hard immediately, electoral politics may no longer apply. Romney will not push back. We need a warrior, not a Pierre Laval.
Subotai Bahadur
Anyone who worked on the McCain campaign, as Myra did, and worked for McCain rather than Palin, is a person whose judgment is terribly flawed. It shows here. Myra, dear, Romney has not won the nomination yet, and if us regular and genuine non-political Americans can have a say in the matter, Romney will not win the nomination. I know people who support Romney, but I don’t know any genuine conservatives who support him. In fact, I know a number of conservatives who are foolish enough to stay at home before they will vote for Mitt Romney.
I haven’t read an AT essay so foolish in a long time.
Samizdat, I have not duped you in any way shape or form and I’m disappointed that you would let Retlaw convince you that he knows anything at all about my “history” here at PJMedia. He’s a rabid dog here to destroy reputations and opposition to his opinions. I think that Retlaw is the real troll.
Here’s what “Kathryn” wrote about Cain in Frank J. Fleming’s last post:
“Herman Cain is not a Conservative. In any way, shape or form. He’s a pimp hat wearing race hustler who knows NOTHING about domestic or foreign policy–but will hire those who do–is willfully ignorant and uninformed, says stupid things on a regular basis–but just joking!–and yet you Cainiacs insist that he’s your great, Conservative messiah. He’s just another affirmative action joke like the one we’ve already got in the White House.”
You’re a bigot, “Kathryn”. And since most bigots are Dems, it seems to point one way.
Why not tell us more of your thoughts on affirmative action? You seem to use it as a curse word.
Why is Myra supporting Mitt? Let’s see…
“Myra Adams is a media producer, writer, and political observer who served on the McCain Ad Council during the 2008 McCain campaign,”
One of those that brought us the McCain disaster.
How about supporting a candidate that doesn’t need a conservative VP to make him look conservative? Is that too much to ask? Heck, how about a Cain/Romney ticket? Or a Gingrich/Romney or Perry/Romney ticket? You know why? Because conservatives are sick and tired of ROMNEY.
I will be voting for Ron Paul. If his name is not on my ballot, I will put it there. Why? All the others continually cast about for the “right” things to say they (might) stand for. There is no question where Dr. Paul stands. He stands with me. And I stand with him.
Swell. Not only will Mittens lose in 2012, he will drag McDonnell down along with the rest of the GOP ticket.
This is what happens when Republicans outsource the job of picking a Presidential nominee to the MSM.
You mean the McDonnell who wants to put wind farms off the Virginia coast?
You mean that McDonnell?
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
Meanwhile, Kane pontificates as if it’s a done deal before a single vote has been cast. Because if she’s right, she’s a prophet, and if she’s wrong, there’s no consequences because no one (she hopes) will remember, and no one’s keeping score.
Meet the new MSM. Same as the old MSM.
In a word, No. I do not know on what you base this opinion, but I can assure you that if we get McCain-light and “Mcwhatsisface”, I not vote for President. Obama, a known enemy, would be better than those two turkeys who would stagger in unknown directions. I *will*, however, vote Republican in every other race. With TEA Party Republicans in Congress, if Obama tries to “rule by executive order” it will be obvious to everybody, and legislation *will* be forthcoming to reverse him.
Are you a Virginian, Myra? I suppose this prediction is no worse than many others, but it is nonetheless a lot of unserious pap – a glossy magazine on steroids, or Common Nonsense approach to political analysis.
The first notion you have to shake is that presidential politics is some kind of state-by-state chess game. Tim Kaine did not “help win back” Virginia in 2008. Georgia was in play in 2008. It is mathematically impossible for Barack Obama to have lost Virginia. And in a national wipeout in 2012 precipitated by a backlash to Barack Obama will flip Virginia red with little suspense.
Contrary to what the sock sniffing politicos loudly assert (to retain an audience for their own industry) about nitty-gritty retail politics and “important” endorsements, the presidential race is national and driven by big, vague issues like the economy. That’s not to say that GOTV and hometown heroes and baby kissing don’t matter, but they matter at the margins. They’re tiebreakers.
The battleground states are just where we see the results of the larger battle. Nothing John McCain could have said or done – from running unswervingly as a Marxist or Survivalist Libertarian – could have changed his political fate. The electorate was tired of and angry at George W. Bush and was not electing a Republican. Period.
On a similar note, Obama is not dumping even an vocal imbecile like Biden for Tim Kaine or anyone else who “makes sense,” for the same reason George W. Bush failed to make good on the pundits’ “stone cold lock” of trading Dick Cheney for Condi Rice. Playing with the margins is fine and necessary, but not at the risk of your foundation. Politics is not fantasy football.
My guessing — maybe hoping is a better word — this competely assine post is tongue-in-cheek.
Even if it is, it’s a bad attempt. If it isn’t, it’s a disgrace and PJ Media is no better than Soros Media: Why have elections when we have embarrassingly stupid pundits to tell us what to do? Is that really the message PJ Media wants put out?
I fear deeply that PJ Media is become no less smug and stultified and no more accountable than the NYT.
The resounding silence I expect to follow will tell us much about the truth of that.
Allen West… where are you!?! I fear ahem has the right of it. In it’s greatest hour of need, we need a patriot like Lt. Col. West. He’s brilliant, fearless, personable, principled, and popular with all who hear him speak (almost). And yet he will not run… *sigh*
Done deal. Yup. Inevitable. Uh-huh.
Might as well cancel the primaries then. It’s already decided, and they didn’t even need any input from the rank and file. None at all. Not even one delegate selected.
It’s in the bag.
Or maybe the author of this piece is the one that’s in the bag. Three Robert Byrds to the wind, even.
Nice try.
Don’t count your Romney/McDonnell ticket before it hatches. Also don’t assume you know the hearts and minds of the conservatives here in Virginia – all of the people elected recently here in the Commonwealth was not a direct result of McDonnell – yes he is popular here in Virginia but, he’s not so popular as to jam Mitt Romney down our throats. I assure you – your dreamed up ticket of Romney/McDonnell is not a done deal!
First, some eight months ago, I wrote to Allen West and offered to work for him if he ran for President. With no response.
Second, he never ran for President even though his country needed him like it never needed someone like him before.
Now 4Gs lodges a similar desire for Allen West. But it’s too late. No wonder I have nightmares. Rachel
Nothing wrong with McConnell, but he’s not the Veep for Romney or anyone in 2012. Virginia will go GOP regardless.
If one is using traditional electoral-map calculations in the Veep determination, Rubio is THE guy. No one else is remotely close.
Please no Romney. Romney is Obama with an R beside his name and a different set of cronies.
Get real! Trying to substantiate a ticket with Romney at this stage of the game is lunacy and wishful thinking. The truth is Newt is the only one who has real, tried and true solutions for this country and the experience to prove it. And not only that, he is the most informed and would make Obama a bowl of quivering jelly in a debate.
Nothing is written in stone yet.
The bottom line is that Romney probably can not beat Obama, unless some other factor comes into play to help him. He faces the same problem Rudy Giuilani would have faced in 2008, if he had gotten the nomination: social issues.
The moment Romney is nominated, the onslaught will begin, groups with names thet _sound_ conservative like ‘Committee for Life’ or ‘Traditional Values Alliance’ or some such nonsense will suddenly pop up, but they’ll actually be fronts for the Center for American Progress and the Democratic National Committee and the rest.
They’ll hit Romney with endless ads about his past social positions on issues like abortion, and with constant, unstinting reminders that Omamacare is based on Romneycare (which it partly is), it’ll be backed up by video of the candidate himself saying things that are anathema to the social conservative base of the GOP, and it’ll go on for day after day after day after day, from summer to November. The old media will be in there pitcing, doing their best to help it along (see 1995-96 for a good example).
Obama and Co. won’t be trying to get GOP voters to cross over, they’ll just be trying to depress turnout, and there’s every reason to think it would work like a charm. If enough social conservatives stayed home in the face of a choice between Romney and Obama, it could even cost us control of the House again.
His choice of vice-president won’t help much in the face of that attack, because it won’t be _about_ the veep. It’ll be about Mitt, and voter memories of past ‘at least he’s economically conservative’ Republicans. Economic conservatism alone is a double-edged sword, as evidence note the recent election results in Ohio. The same voters who overwhelmingly rejected Obamacare also slapped down Kasich’s unti-union moves by large majorities. The GOP _needs_ the social conservatives to win, like it or not.
(In 2008, many GOP voters faced with the choice of McCain and Obama just stayed home. Something sort of similar just got through happening in Kentucky at the gubernatorial level, though the comparison there is imperfect.)
Teddy Kennedy defeated Mitt with the ‘multple-choice Mitt’ attack. Don’t think the social issues can’t be used to beat him again.
I have no idea why you people are even debating this issue. Save your laptop batteries…Obama is going to win handily over any of the LOONS on the Republican side. Thank you, and good night.
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Calling Newt a LOON is as accurate as me calling you intelligent. My guess is that you were home schooled by a lump of coal. Much the way Obama was taught Marxist think by his American hating family. Which may explain why Obama as President surrounds himself by a family of Marxists.
Nobody has voted in any primary yet, and we have a winner for you.
Braaahaaa, the Loons aren’t only the goper candidates, they’re crawling all over themselves right here, trying to outdo each other as to who can sound more stoopit.