A Patriotic Muslim’s Warning on Ground Zero Mosque
“The primary developer of the project expected us to believe in a recent interview with CNN that he had been looking for affordable property in Manhattan for 5 years and the mosque has ‘nothing to do with the World Trade Center,’” Jasser muses. “That runs contrary to the initial public announcements, for example, with the Washington Post from the Cordoba Initiative and Daisy Khan, that, ‘the building came to us. It goes to show there is a symbolism there, a divine hand in it.’”
In addition to the shadowy aspects of the mosque’s planning, the issue of the neutrality of the mosque’s foreign funders also presents a significant problem. Several of the nations that the mosque’s organizers have accepted funds from — Qatar, for instance — serve as cesspools of Muslim Brotherhood activity and development.
“Radical Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, spreads his guidance from Qatar and via Al Jazeera, a strongly sympathetic Muslim Brotherhood media outlet.” Jasser says. He adds: “Many of the Muslim Brotherhood’s web outlets operate out of Qatar. Qaradawi’s Arabic site regularly admonishes Muslims on how to establish Islamic states and install sharia law.”
In short, Dr. Jasser finds it difficult to believe that any money donated from any of the 57 Muslim majority nations of the Organization of the Islamic Conference would be neutral to American interests or security. A group that has received substantial funds from a Qatari foundation will not simply abandon Qatar’s deep-seated Muslim Brotherhood sympathies, he argues, and to think so is ridiculous.
Asked about his stance on the Ground Zero mosque as an American, Dr. Jasser recalled his emotions on September 12, 2001.
“It did not matter to me that I was a Muslim or believed in the faith of Islam,” he says. “On that day and in every memory of 9/11 I cannot help but think of myself as an American, a patriot, a citizen, a former U.S. Navy lieutenant commander. My officer’s oath came immediately to mind like a sonic boom as it did again after the Fort Hood massacre by Nidal Hasan.”
Islamists naturally target America because its innate principles allow them to fabricate an external enemy to unify all Muslims, Dr. Jasser goes on. At the Oslo Freedom Forum, Jasser laid out why Americanism and the ideas of liberty are the only weapons against political Islam. He discussed how the Muslim world has become trapped in a war of ideas between secular nationalist fascism (i.e., Saddam Hussein, Hosni Mubarak, and Qaddafi) and militant Islamism (Iran, the Taliban, and the Muslim Brotherhood and its army of offshoots).
“America is really the only laboratory in the world that gives us the freedom to create a third alternative,” Dr. Jasser states with certainty. “That is, an Islam based in modernity that separates mosque and state and celebrates universal religious freedom and liberty.”
In that vein, Jasser puts forward the explanation that Americans’ perceptions of Muslims will never change until they feel Muslim Americans are spending our own resources on issues more pressing than gargantuan and ostentatious religious structures that overshadow the ruins of a still-raw wound for Americans. Focusing on counterterrorism and reform centers built with the goal of countering the hostile ideologies of political Islam within the United States are two paths Jasser offers that will improve Islam’s PR with America. Most importantly of all, Muslim Americans should show America that many of them have a completely different idea of what it means to give back to the country that has given them so many freedoms, and take a personal responsibility in combating the ideas of radical Islam and its root causes.
For now, the possibility of the Ground Zero mosque coalescing from idea into structure presents not only the insult to the millions of Americans who experienced true horror on September 11, 2001, nor the threat of a new mammoth gateway for radical Islamic ideas to slip into the U.S., but the threat of sending a message of weakness to Islamists the world over.
“It will be used by Islamist leadership around the world to say, ‘despite the violence that al-Qaeda perpetrated on the American population, political Islam will always be victorious and from its ashes has risen the largest religious Muslim structure in the United States,’” Jasser warns. “As the administration continues to move backwards, [outlawing] the use of any specific religious Islamic terms like jihad, Islamsim, and salafism, the Islamists continue to make unopposed headway in the contest of ideas. We are losing the war of ideas.”
Recent polls have revealed that an increasing number of Americans are developing negative views of Islam. Immediately after 9/11, the numbers sat at 39 percent negative. A 2006 study provided by Dr. Jasser discovered the numbers had risen to 46 percent negative, nearly half the country’s population. The same study also found out that the number of Americans who associate Islam with acts of violence had nearly tripled from 13 percent to 33 percent in the same five years. Dr. Jasser blames these numbers in great part on the majority of Muslim organizations in D.C. who are “victim-mongering front groups for the Muslim Brotherhood.”
“Until we treat the affliction of Islamism and separate mosque and state and begin a palpable movement against political Islam, those opinion polls will only worsen,” Jasser points out. “If the organizers [of the Ground Zero mosque] were truly moderate, they would not be building mammoth structures like this but rather investing in spreading the ideas of liberty into the Muslim community against the ideas of political Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood. They would be teaching American Muslim youth to reach out by joining our military and homeland security efforts en masse rather than allowing Islamist organizations in D.C. like CAIR to brainwash young Muslims that our military and FBI are anti-Muslim and the U.S. is anti-Islam.”
Jasser iterates that he believes the most effective method possible for Muslims to reach out to Americans would be to organize a movement to hold the 57 Organization of the Islamic Conference nations accountable for all their violations of human rights as well as demand they shift from Islamism and state sponsored sharia towards more liberty-minded governments that allow more freedoms to their citizens.
“Don’t let the Islamists set the agenda,” Dr. Jasser says. “Yes, we will not let up against their agenda. But that’s defense. We need to generate an offense to preempt the Islamists within Muslim communities domestically and abroad.
“At AIFD our offense in countering the Muslim Brotherhood Project is our Muslim Liberty Project,” Jasser goes on. “We will be rolling that out over the next year and it is patterned after Jeffersonian principles of universal religious freedom and principles of liberty targeted to devout Muslims. We target Muslim youth and young adults in giving them an alternative framework for government and society that is based on our U.S. constitutional principles and the Establishment Clause. … [Our goal is to] inoculate them against the potent ideas of political Islam.”
Readers interested in more information on Dr. Jasser and the American Islamic Forum of Democracy can find it at AIFD’s website, located here.
I really feel for Mr Jasser. His view of Islam is NOT Islam, as much as he wishes it could be. And, his views will never, ever, be acceptable to the vast majority of Muslims. Mr Jasser, for all his sincerity & good intentions, is fighting a losing battle, he’s Don Quixote tilting at windmills.
What will he ”edit” out of traditional mainstream Islam? Will he edit out half the Qur’an? Will he delete Mohammed & his abominable career from Islam? What to do with 1400 years of Islamic scholarship, throw it in the trash bin?
This isn’t really a question of interpretation, we are talking about some rather fundamental changes here, the result of such changes will NOT be Islam.
You’re totally right. Mr. Jasser’s islam, rather than Al Qaeda’s, is what those mainstream media dhimmi islamophiles (including al-CNN’s Stan Grant, Arwa Damon and the rest of that gang) should be referring to as a “perverted version” of the real thing, not the other way around.
While Mr. Jasser’s words and actions are deserving of praise, what he believes in has little or nothing to do with true islam.
Unfortunately, you are completely correct. I wish him the best though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism
Although I see no evidence that the politically correct viewpoint that “most Muslims fit in just fine and reject violence” is correct, it is also true that most of us paint with awfully broad strokes on this subject on this site. I think the hope is that we can get to a Muslim appreciation of the separation of church and state, which I guess would have to be part of a larger Muslim “Reformation”. Put it another way, an evolution away from fundamentalism. Maybe it’s a pipe dream, but if we can hope for anything, it’s that less aggressive thinking in Islam, as represented by Dr. Jasser and perhaps the Sufi branch, might come to hold greater and greater sway.
This whole issue is a good reminder to everyone that religion and state need to remain separated always. No argument to the contrary should ever prevail for any religion – no matter how one sees its beneficence or relevance to the population.
Perhaps if its organisers declared they wanted to call it “the Mosque of Repentance for the Un-Islamic Terrorist Acts of 9/11″… (And even then I don’t know if I could go along with that as I fear the acts were and are Islamic or are considered to be so by many Moslems, wherein the heart of the problem.)
To place our hopes in some kind of fictive Islam emerging like the one which Mr. Jasser espouses along with a minute amount of Muslims will only lead us further down the road to national suicide.
When confronted with the Islamic texts Jasser will lose to those practicing true Islam every time. How does Jasser explain away an ideology that commands him to emulate an evil man, namely Muhammad, who murdered, beheaded, raped and enslaved people who refused to submit to his ideology. We need not take any body’s word on this matter. The Koran, the Hadiths and Sira all tell us about this man along with his teachings, acts and sayings. They also tell us about about how all Muslims are commanded WHENEVER POSSIBLE to wage jihad by either converting, killing, subjugating or enslaving all those who refuse to submit to Islam and impose Sharia law upon all of mankind.
Jasser can not just pick and choose or disregard these commands and remain a Muslim nor are any of these commands open to his interpretation. Sorry, but Jasser is not a devout Muslim as he claims and does not have a leg to stand on when confronted with the Islamic texts.
The bottom line is the more Muslims we allow to invade our country through our insane immigration policies the less safe our country will become. Few of them will practice Jasser’s version of Islam. More importantly, Muhammad didn’t practice Jasser’s version either.
Hammer meets nail.
Islam is a cult not a religion.
Compare and contrast, please.
Yes, really, bland assertions like that are entirely unhelpful, and I tend to associate them with a narrow band of belief which also calls about 90% of Christianity some form of cult.
Stentorian and icetrout,
You are correct. The argument over whether Islam is a cult vs religion, or even a religion at all is an important one. With 1.6 billion followers it isn’t useful to label it a cult…. not for purposes of discussion and certainly not while discussing with Muslims. And we should try to engage Muslims, those who are willing. A better question might be…. Is a Theocracy really a religion? I would argue they are not. Political Islamists believe the only way Islam can work is through Theocracy. Many Communists believe the same about their philosophy. They’re both totalitarian. It’s not good enough just for them… you must play too… whether you want to or not.
Dr. Jasser seems willing enough to engage the West and to stand for a truly moderate Islam…. for that I’m grateful. He is the first admitted Muslim I’ve read who appears to want his brethren to behave like civilized humanity. It seems the only other Muslims like him have had to apostatize. I hope to hear more from this man.
so was Christianity.
They’re all cults.
I fail to comprehend how a grown, articulate adult, such as Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, the subject of this article, can remain a Muslim as long as he has, and not question the essence of Islam. Aside from its obvious totalitarian nature, what is there to it that stakes a claim to his devotion to it? Is it the altruist morality of self-sacrifice and selflessness, which it shares with Christianity? Is it the seduction of its “pacific” imperatives in the Koran and Hadith to do “good” and be nice to Muslims and non-Muslims alike?
As an atheist, I can score Christianity for as many valid reasons as I can Islam (or any other creed that claims fealty to a supernatural being, and that asserts that such an entity was the “first cause“ of everything). But believing in a pacific Jesus Christ who counseled passive altruism and non-violence, and believing in the words of a barbarian who bypassed persuasion and resorted to the scimitar to spread his “faith” are two different things. Christ was a “flower child” to Mohammad’s Attila the Hun. Mohammad is the source of all that Jasser believes. Does he rationalize Islam and compartmentalize it so he can get on with living? If he feels it necessary to compartmentalize it in his mind, doesn’t that suggest its impracticality for living on earth? I observe the same phenomenon in Christians and followers of other creeds. I can sympathize with Dr. Jasser’s “moderate Muslim” efforts, but I think it is a futile enterprise. Islam, like Christianity, must be renounced and repudiated in its entirety, and reason and rationality proclaimed in all things moral and political.
In defense of Mr Jasser, Islam is so much part of the sense of identity for many Muslims, they resist abandoning it completely. I think he’s deceiving himself, but he certainly wouldn’t be the first intellectual to indulge in self-deception.
Do you really consider that being one of the many is a defense of one rather than a stigma of the many? False pride only leads to one’s establishment of a false philosophy as an attempt to camouflage one’s personal moral deficiencies and soon takes residence where rational thought once prevailed. It must be difficult for a graduate of a major institution of learning or a second generation victim to ever overcome such a hand-me-down ideological excuse for morality and common sense. Just observe the media, politicians, religious leaders, millionaire entertainers and talking heads that pretend to possess character and wisdom of true intellectuals but have all frozen their potential far short of their acting abilities through self inflicted deception. They all seem to blindly assume that their hidden short comings are also invisible to all silent observers and will protect them from an inevitable fate delivered by those possessing opposing ideologies and the wisdom to survive any level of persistent BS.
I agree, Terry. He’s deceiving himself. I’m supposing he grew up in a Muslim family environment, and so can’t imagine not being a Muslim, “moderate” or not. Well, it can be done. I grew up in a Catholic family environment, and in a largely Catholic community or neighborhood. My “identity” was nominally “Catholic.” But I never surrendered the idea that my mind was sovereign, and not the opinions or positions of others. Think of Wafa Sultan, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and others who grew up in more terrifying and repressive environments than I did. They didn’t surrender their minds, either. Jasser can do the same, if he’s honest about Islam.
Sparrowhawk.
People have many ”identities” – being a Catholic for you was only one, unless, you are a monk or priest, perhaps. But, you also have an American identity, perhaps a professional identity, a political identity, another ethnic identity (Irish, Italian).
If you were raised in a Western society, all of these various identities have some degree of importance. In a Muslim society, other identites are weak, submerged, for the most part, exception made perhaps for a tribal or clan identity (but even the tribal identity is deeply connected to Islam). It is the ”Islamic” identity which is overwhelmingly dominant. In the case of Arabs, Arab & Muslim are virtually synonomous.
I think that if you belong to any other religion you are only a member as long as you want to be. Not so with Islam. Also at what point does a “Moderate” Muslim decide which part of the Koran that he/she will obey? The whole religion is based on this and the Hadith and it allows NO alterations. omissions or dis-beliefs. I feel sorry for this fine man because he seems to not understand his own religion.
I don’t think he has to give anything up. One can still be a Muslim and believe selectively. Similar to the gazilian Christian sects and Catholicism.
Sparrowhawk, The communists have been trying that approach since the early 1900s. . . . how many millions upon millions have died because of that rejection of God for “reason and rationality”? Man is an evil creature at heart, and nothing he does in himself, even if for good, will last. . .
Aye, if there were a standard for reason and rationality….I think our President will proclaim he has it.
I wasn’t aware there was a dichotomy between reason/rationality and Christianity in the first place (well, except in the simplistic and caricatured version of the world presented by many popular new atheists).
Dear Sparrowhawk,
With genuine concern, I respond to your comment:
“Islam, like Christianity, must be renounced and repudiated in its entirety, and reason and rationality proclaimed in all things moral and political.”
I can understand, and will not argue with an athiest/agnostic rejecting the Technical Notions of Cristianity…not believing in a supreme being, the virgin birth, saints, prophets and the trinity. But why should the “human relationships” mandate of Christianity need to be, as you state, renounced and repudiated as the same kind of evil as Islamic beliefs?
One system teaches respect for other, turning the cheek over petty dissagrements, honesty, the value of love, and the concepts of genuine forgiveness and of course, true true moral and physical redemption. You may not believe in Christ, but those that do are “encouraged” by their faith to be kind to you, care for you, clothe you if you are without, and genuinely care for your emotional/spiritual peace of mind.
The other, Islam, preaches hatred, violence and subjugation against all who disagree, by worshipping the life and deeds of a truly monsterous tyrant. Flagrant dishonesty to dupe non-believers into murder and slavery is an accepted mode of behavior. Their wives and sisters are not human, but mere chattle.
Superstisions about the creation of the universe, and the existence of which particular set of unproven “legends and a miracles” aside, can you honestly say that BOTH Christianity and Islam are equally harmful to a non-believer’s quality of life?
I honestly do not care what “religion” the classmates of my 5 year old son have, so long as their VALUE SYSTEMS recognize his right to live life as he chooses, with respect, dignity and above all, safety.
A child raised as a Christian will not WISH harm upon my child, nor would he wish harm upon a secular non-believing child of yours (if that happens to be your approach, I’m speaking theoretically)
However, a child raised with Islam is forced to “proclaim eternal enmity” to the non-believers 5 TIMES A DAY. To accept, to desire, and to commit physical harm to all who are not Muslims.
Again, aside from the “Holy Superstisions” which you are free to question, my friend, does the HUMAN SOCIAL INTERACTION aspect of Cristianity REALLY warrent being “renounced and repudiated” on the same level as Islam?
Honestly, which belief system is, by its very tennents, MORE harmful to a peaceful modern society?
Respectfully yours,
An American veteran
Anonymous,
Great post. As an unbeliever I respect both yours, and Sparrowhawks viewpoints. But I am perplexed that so many of my fellow unbelievers (whether they be Atheist, Agnostic or Humanist) regard Christianity and Islam so similarly. I know.. there was that awful Inquisition, and the brutal Crusades, and the Mormons perpetrated the Mountain Meadows Massacre. But these things happened a hundred fifty, in most cases hundreds of, years ago. The Taliban stoned a young couple to death for refusing to submit to their mullah arranged marriages … yesterday. If I have to live in a Country that is predominantly religious, I want to live among Christians. OK throw in some Buddhists and Hindu’s if you want. But can we take a little time and think about how openly we want to embrace Islam… Shariah… Muslims??? Religious freedom aside, must we tolerate a religion that strongly advocates Theocracy, one that is intolerant, and in some cases homicidal, toward Western American values???
Anonymous,
Great post. As an unbeliever I respect both yours, and Sparrowhawks viewpoints. But I am perplexed that so many of my fellow unbelievers (whether they be Atheist, Agnostic or Humanist) regard Christianity and Islam so similarly. I know.. there was that awful Inquisition, and the brutal Crusades, and the Mormons perpetrated the Mountain Meadows Massacre. But these things happened a hundred fifty, in most cases hundreds of, years ago. The Taliban stoned a young couple to death for refusing to submit to their mullah arranged marriages … yesterday. If I have to live in a Country that is predominantly religious, I want to live among Christians. OK throw in some Buddhists and Hindu’s if you want. But can we take a little time and think about how openly we want to embrace Islam… Shariah… Muslims??? Religious freedom aside, must we tolerate a religion that strongly advocates Theocracy, one that is intolerant, and in some cases homicidal, toward Western American values???
Sparrowhawk,
Your last line comes right out of Humanist Manifesto 2. You are NOT an atheist, you’re a humanist. You believe that man is a god unto himself. You believe religions of moral salvation to be irrational and irrelevant. Stop hiding behind the false colors of atheism and admit what you are. It will be much easier to respect you for it.
I agree 100%. The only thing I would add is the historical context. While we can certainly contrast the teachings of Jesus with those of Mohammed, the fact is that Christ’s message of “love thy neighbor (and enemy)” didn’t stay the sword of barbaric Christians during the Dark Ages. So even with a somewhat “benign” message, pure religion leads to mass slaughter because faith and force are corollaries. Also, Christian Europe underwent two sweeping intellectual movements: the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. While these movements were against religion, I would argue they also had an influence on how religion would be practiced in the culture.
Lastly, it is a profound irony that there was a time when the Islamic culture was superior to the west. There was a time when secular thought flourished, to some extent, in the Islamic world. The great Islamic thinker Averroes, with his commentaries on Aristotle, had a profound on Thomas Aquinas, who unleashed Aristotle on the West.
I simply submit that Islam COULD be secularized, like the two other Middle Eastern religions. I am not saying it WILL be. I am not saying we have to wait for the day.
Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water…islam is bad, so we need to get rid of Christianity.
islam is based on Mo’s life and callings and he was a murdering, thieving rapist; Christianity is based on a loving God. Why in the world, whenever there’s a site about the dangers of islam, do some people have to bring Christianity into it and start denigrating Christians?
We have nothing to do with the islamic problem. We are not theocratic; there is no “Christian nation” or group of “Christian immigrants” threatening your rights.
So why can’t we just leave Christianity out of it? islam is a violent, totalitarian ideology that must be dealt with. Christianity is not the problem.
It’s just another “Islam is OK” story, this time because Jasser is a patriot. Sorry, it doesn’t make me trust Islam. Let Jasser find a religion wasn’t founded by a violent and treacherous person like Mohammed.
I reject Islam as being fit for a civilized world, and if that hurts Jasser’s feelings, that’s too bad.
I suppose there are some nice admirers of Hitler too, and if I oppose Nazi-ism anyway, that makes me a bigot too?
Cowards would say so.
This would have to be the most rational and sensible comment I have read on this article.
“He has taken the fight against radical Islam to heart and sees it as a responsibility of all “true” Muslims.” From my understanding, this is like saying all true lions should become vegetarians. It’s the jihad stupid. Someone want to disabuse me of that notion?
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
Muslims in America have a Sisyphean task in front of them to persuade the rest of us that they can be at once sincere Muslims and sincere Americans. Right now this is oxymoronic. The more smooth wordplay this Christian American experiences coming from Muslims the more suspicious I become of Taqiyya and Kitman.
The Muslims have brought this growing nationwide suspicion upon themselves by not fighting en masse openly and stridently on 12 September 2001 and every day since then against this Muslim inspired terror, and…openly and stridently and transparently inside their mosques. The well known passive coyness of the majority of that faith/ideology had no other result to expect.
This is not a “prejudice” or “racism” “issue”. The reality is that the construction of this controversial mosque two city blocks from a mass grave is a red herring to divert us Americans from the real aim of expanding Sharia itself….bit by bit.
It’s my hope that we Americans lose our naive political correctness as soon as possible. Our literal survival against this very apparent gradually encroaching Sharia depends upon our pragmatism. This Sharia which is apparently inseparable from its Muslim/Koranic source.
Londonistan is our omen.
While there are certainly moderate muslims, islam is brutal and violent. That is why it has been at war with western civilization for 1400 years and why the conflict cannot end. Dr. Jasser is a rarity because most muslims(Jasser is a happy exception) refuse to challenge jihadists and many actually sympathize with them. But we need to be clear that “moderate muslims” will do us no good. We require reformist muslims who understand the genocidal imperative of islam and seek to end it.
There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Even Muslim leaders acknowledge this. Islam must be accepted in totality. It cannot be practiced cafeteria style as some Christians and Jews practice their faiths. For a Muslim to do so means they are an apostate and thus subject to execution, according to Sharia law.
If things get really bad in the U.S., and it comes to choosing sides, who do you think these “moderate” Muslims will choose? Will they choose people who look like them, speak similar languages, have the same religion, traditions, and rituals as them, or will they side with blue-eyed, blonde people of European, Christian, and Jewish descent? It’s human nature to want to belong to the group that most closely resembles you.
Yesterday, I heard on the news about the two young people who were stoned to death in Afghanistan for supposedly having an adulterous relationship. There was no trial. On the same day that they were found together, they were stoned to death. If this isn’t enough to alert people all over the world to the complete brutality and barbarism of Islam, along with all the other atrocities that Muslims have committed before and after 9/11, then there is something distrubingly wrong with our thinking processes.
If this mosque is built at Ground Zero, it will become a center for recruitment and training of Muslims to subvert American life and values. Stealth Jihad.
Wake up, America! As Burt Prelutsky says, “Islam is a peaceful religion, and if you don’t believe it, they’ll cut off your head.”
Erdogan of Turkey said it best: “There IS no moderate Islam, there is only Islam.”
Actually, Erdogan said this on August 21st 2007 (Milliyet, Turkey): “These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”
Exactly three years ago to this day!
Marty states – “We require reformist Muslims”.
I wish that were a possibility. Unfortunately, Islam can never be reformed. If we have a reformation such as we did in Christianity several centuries ago by going back to the founders teachings, deeds and actions we wind up with Jesus Christ and his Apostles, in Islam we wind up with the evil Muhammad. Unlike the New Testament, which is the inspired word of God being being transposed in the words of God’s creatures, the Koran is supposedly the immutable dictated word of some deity called allah. It can never be changed nor can it be reformed nor can any of it be ignored, interpreted or deleted.
We can’t kill 1.2 billion Muslims. We can’t reform Islam. They’ll never cease in their quest to try to either kill or enslave us or to impose Sharia law upon us.
So what can we do?
All we can do is to quarantine Muhammad’s followers. We can stop them from invading us. We can halt ALL Muslim immigration. If our laws need to be changed then change them. Our laws wre never meant to be a suicide pact. Any body caught advocating jifah or Sharia law should be immediately deporty for our safety. Let Islam suffocate on its own in the Middle East or wherever just not here in the United States.
Did you notice how the left has exponentially picked speed in promoting this wicked enemy of ours with their usual cries of “racist” and “bigot”. You must know what Islam teaches so they can’t make you back down or be intimidated. We can’t let them frame the debate to favor those who follow Muhammad’s commands to commit evil acts against us because this is life and death.
The best place to start is to go to Robert Spencer’s website and read Islam 101. Here’s the link and pass it along –
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html
Indeed I did not lose faith in the trust I could place in Muslims when the planes struck the World Trade Centre Towers,
but when later that day I viewed Muslims around the world dancing in the streets at the reporting of the attack.
Nicely put. It was a sinking feeling listening to the radio as the nation went into panic and watching the news as another plane hit, but it was a whole other feeling, a bitter one, that boiled when all over the world people were cheering in the streets.
to Steve:
You mentioned quarantine: The other day I was debating with someone the role of the Ottoman Empire in doing just that – keeping a lid on militant Islam. We had half-a-dozen centuries of relative stability in the Middle East, then the Turks fall and Britain holds the noose for a little longer until Israel is created. I’m not saying they were peaceful or anything, just that it simplified it a little. Just a thought.
Islam is OK when it respects and fears other religions and cultures. The last time the Muslim world respected the USA was when the military crushed the Iraqi military like a bug. The Muslim countries may not have thought that the Iraqi Army could beat the American Military but they just knew that Saddam would kill tens of thousands and make the Great Satan pay for the victory.Ever since the US has been worried about the Muslim’s “feelings” and as a result has lost respect in the Muslim world. Personally I would rather be respected than liked and rather be feared than bullied. But that is just me.
The Wall Street Journal is conducting a poll on this issue. Take a moment and let your voted be counted. You do not have to be a subscriber to vote.
http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/news—greater-new-york-898/topics/should-mosque-built-ground-zero
Thanks, currently stands at 79% no mosque
I’ll believe there is such a thing as a:
1. ‘Moderate’ Muslim
2. ‘Patriotic’ Muslim
3. ‘Non-Sharia’ Muslim
When EVERY single AMERICAN Muslim stands up in horror and disgust against the 911 ‘victory mosque’.
They keep harping about how ‘peaceful’ and ‘moderate’ they are and then when the whackadoodle Muslims go crazy they keep SILENT? Is that how they show us they are ‘moderate’?
Sorry, pal, no soup for you.
I have a problem taking Dr. Zuhdi’s song and dance at face value. I wish I could believe he was what he represents himself to be – but it just doesn’t ring true.
He was making the rounds today. I heard him on Dennis Miller and on Lavin. On both occasions he volunteered this little tidbit “I am an American first and a Muslim second”. Really? I just can’t picture an actual Muslim saying (and meaning) that. Heck – I can’t imagine any self respecting Presbyterian saying “Yep – Old Glory and THEN God.” It sounds as secular and phony as when Al Gore discusses his “Faith Tradition”. The “I am just like you” spiel seems contrived. “You’re Methodist? – Hey I’m Islamic – see you at the interfaith church potluck! Try not to put too much bacon in those baked beans! Ha Ha.”
What part of his prophet and “the perfect man” being a warlord pedophile inspires him? Which of the “Tenants of Islam” does he consider optional? He gave a great speech on what was wrong with Islam and how it should change. What does he consider “right” with Islam? Why is this his faith? No pork, no booze, no food till sundown in Ramadan and to heck with all that other religious stuff?
There seem to be only three possibilities here:
1. He is what he appears to be – a semi observant, non orthodox new age Muslim (much like the secular fake Buddhists that seem to populate most offices here on the west coast but who couldn’t spell Buddha on a bet.) If this is what he is – it is a “religion” that he (and people like him) have created out of whole cloth. It bears no resemblance to what most of the world considers Islam. It does not come from the Koran. He speaks for a small fraction of one percent of all people who consider themselves Islamic.
2. He may be the John McCain of Muslims – slamming his own side for personal aggrandizement.
3. Or – he may be a plant. While the Koran does not provide for semi-observant guys like Dr. Zudhi – it clearly DOES provide for complex contrivances to lull the infidel into false security.
I wish I wasn’t so pessimistic on this issue – but I have lived in the middle east for quite a while and I know quite a few American Muslims. Two I count as friends. I have never even heard of any one like Dr Zuhdi.
“the 57 Muslim majority nations of the Organization of the Islamic Conference”–
it is 56 Muslim majority nations, the Palestinians do not constitute a nation though
they are counted as such by the OIC, a form of future Israel-eradicating wish-fulfillment non-Muslims should not cater to by reporting the number as 57.
But would you consider the chosen one’s Freudian slip using “all 57 United States” as revealing his plan for for inclusion of Palestine or the whole of the USA? Maybe you can be enlightened here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE
An open question to Dr. Zuhdi Jasser.
Dear Dr. Jasser, I applaud your stance both on this issue and, having spent some time on the American Islamic Forum for Democracy website, the values it promotes.
My only question- Why are there no translations of your speeches and comments into Arabic?
Thank you, MBY
This is exactly the kind of talk that makes it “appear” as if their are two kinds of Islam, and there isn’t. No. The only division in Islam is who took command after Mohammad died, because he did not leave a son.
To know Islam is to know the words and deeds of Mohammad not a person who claims to be a devout Muslim and claims to have the authority to explain Islam. It is imperative to go to the source, and that source is the words and deeds of Mohammad.
Good cartoon on the Ground Zero mosque titled “In Football it’s called Taunting” at http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/2016/
Dr. Jasser is admirable, the question is how much weight his beliefs carry with fellow Muslims. The teachings and tenets of Islam and certainly as codified in every mainstream school of Islamic law, Sharia, are incompatible with free societies, with our Constitution and Bill of Rights, as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which founded the United Nations –which is why the OIC nations endorsed their own version of “human rights” in the Cairo Declaration as defined by Sharia. How much of the Muslim world does the OIC speak for and how much Dr. Jasser? Are American Muslims a separate species from the rest of the Ummah? Dr. Jasser’s loyalty is to his country as exemplified by his military oath, yet does not Islam teach a Muslim’s loyalty is first to the Ummah and can this not produce the kind of conflicted loyalties leading to the Fort Hood massacre?
Dr. Jasser was also featured prominently on FPM. He’s been in Jamie Glazov-hosted forums several times with another ‘moderate’ Muslim and Robert Spencer. In no case has he been able to counter Spencer on substantive issues.
Robert Spencer is really enemy #1 for the Cordoba Initiative and their Friends in High Places. Pam Geller is basically the political street-fighting fave. None of these people have an answer to Spencer.
Dr. Jasser is virtually all alone, if he believes he will win. More, it’s my understanding that the majority of mosques in the US have preachers funded by the Saudis, CAIR, etc. I guess he is a cultural Muslim. If he is expressing his real ideas, then Islam rejects him.
As to the mosque itself, I suspect that corrupt and traitorous American politicians are more culpable in its construction than any individual Islamic party, given that they make it go. Now they are using CNN, Pelosi, etc., to stave off opposition. The corruption is phenomenal.
Dr. Jasser… Remember me from the Big Peace threads from a few weeks back?
Anyhow.. Nice to see that you are conflicted and deeply troubled… Not that I wish you pain… Just make a choice…
This is your turning point… You can’t be a field agent anymore… Isn’t it time to follow the trail you know to be true?
Here’s a comment I came across this morning that spells it out for you going forward…
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The foundation of our morality is the subordination of faith to reason, which, as the Pope observed, defines morality. It is summed up by Plato’s question, “Is an act right because God wills it, or does God will it because it is right?” Christianity chose the latter, Islam the former.
The Christian choice implies that right or wrong is subject to reason. The Islamic choice that it is Allah’s will which determines right or wrong, makes questions of right or wrong hinge on authority rather than reason.
Mohammed was a prophet, head of state, and military commander. He saw no problem in saying that it was forbidden to kill Muslims, but all right to kill Infidels who tried to convert Muslims. Indeed, on the Islamic view, what is murder today can be permissible tomorrow depending on the arbitrary will of Allah.
The upshot is that Islam does not have a morality at all; it has a series of acts forbidden by the religion on purely arbitrary grounds. There is no distinction between politics and religion since Allah’s will is the sole source of right and wrong, not rational analysis.
The functional illiteracy about Islam will be our undoing.
Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/08/18/lorne-gunter-dont-ban-the-mosque-buy-it/#ixzz0wyFGrgMP
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Dr. Jasser,
Why are you trying to change sharia with reason?
Everything you wanted to know about Muhammad, the Qu’ran and Islam but were afraid to ask (a radical islamic supremist).
http://prophetofdoom.net/
I will show how old I am.
Does anybody here remember the Buddhist Monks of South Vietnam, during the war ?
Do you remember ?
We were told that they were the “third way”, that they had great faith and power over their people, we were told that their movement against the war was not going to help the communists.
They burned themselves alive, asking for the end of the war.
We were impressed, indeed.
Their great example and determination was a powerful force to end the war.
We stopped fighting, we went away. The commie tanks came in.
End of the story.
The beautiful souls disappeared.
No Western journalist even cared looking for them.
They had been used by the commies and when the time of the commies came, they were thrown away, like garbage.
I remain pretty skeptic about the role of beautiful souls in the middle of brutal wars.
I do not question their honesty, I question their role on the chess table.
I question how much the monsters behind the curtains can use the beautiful souls.
Of course that would be different if we had some hundreds of millions of muslim “moderates” fighting daily against the horrors of shari’a…
ONE ?????????
A few tens ???????
Buddhist monks in Vietnam may have been beautiful souls. Most of those advocating for Islam are either Muslims or would-be totalitarians. Say what you will about LBJ, Nixon and pols of their time: they were dirty in different ways, but did not yield on certain principles. Now they basically have no principles: almost everything is for sale.
Just listened to Rush babble something about not confusing “terrorists” with peaceful Muslims and how he agrees with Gov. Christie’s basic premise that we don’t want to paint Islam with a broad brush.
What a load of politically correct nonsense. What about Muhammad, Rush? What about his commands to commit acts of evil against all non believers? What about all the criminal acts committed by Muhammad against his fellow man and all the wicked commands in the Koran and all the acts, sayings and deeds recorded in the Hadiths and Sira which all Muslims are required to emulate including Dr. Jasser?
We no longer have talk radio to help us with the war Islam is waging against us. Hannity, Beck, Levin are no better. The Internet is all we have left.
Don’t be surprised if GWB comes out to aid Muhammad’s followers in their hour of need.
steve,
I agree that Christie, Hannity, O’Reilly, Beck, Levin and Limbaugh have bent over some when it comes to accepting the “Moderate Muslim Majority” premise. If you’re peace loving, it’s an easy assumption to make…. if you don’t know much about Islam. Christie bothers me the most by basically saying the “Problem with Islam” is not all that important an issue. He could be the most capable for solving our economic problems, but is he up to dealing with Jihad? Spencer and Steyn have done a good job laying it all out in a rather ‘matter of fact’ way. Still, Fox News and Talk Radio are our best hope in throwing up a barricade against the Islamic invasion we, and the entire civilized world, are facing. I see them coming around slowly. Perhaps they’re getting up to speed on the Koran, the Hadiths and the Sira.
More proof of the fool on the hill showing his true colors & beliefs. BozObama is letting our troops get killed in a supposed war against terror in the middle east. All the while, the moron is behind a dung hole of a mosque being built near ground zero. The idiot has to be aware that the American public is not as stupid as he would like to believe in that the same muslimaniacs we are fighting on the other side of the world want the same frigging thing the builders of the mosque want & that is…….sharia law…….. for the entire world. Muslimaniacs are the same all over, there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslimaniac, only those who say they are but just haven’t gotten the call to arms yet, then watch how moderately they kill or subjugate the infidels. Also, by the way, New York, New York, wait until the blasts for prayer start coming from the minarets at this mosque, it will resound & echo for many blocks around this outhouse mosque 5 times a day 365 days a year & will make you rue the day you allowed it to be built. For that matter, the administration in DC says they don’t believe islam is an enemy of the US, well islam considers us & all western Judaeo-Christian as well as all infidel faiths as enemies, there is no denying that. In reality, there should not be any outhouses like this one built on our soil. Look what’s happening in the European countries that have politically correctly allowed muslimaniacs to begin the take over of their culture & country & it’s being condoned by PC administrations all over the USA. Wake up America, stand up America, speak up America or it’s all ours to lose. I believe that BozObama would prefer the title of grand ayatollah of the USA rather than the title of president & that is where all this is headed. Hussein swore to “protect this country from all enemies, both foreign & domestic”, islam is nothing if not the enemy of America & all the civilized world.
I am familiar with Dr. Jasser and AIFD. I receive his email updates and want to believe that it is in fact possible that he and his organization can have an influence on Islam and bring about its reform. Some days though I have trouble keeping hope alive. I wonder how much support AIFD receives from other Muslims. Is there really a sizeable faction of the community that is crying out for reform? Or do those who just want to practice Islam on a spiritual level just keep there heads down so as not to make waves?
Debra states – “I am familiar with Dr. Jasser and AIFD. I receive his email updates and want to believe that it is in fact possible that he and his organization can have an influence on Islam and bring about its reform”.
How pray tell is Jasser going to do that? Is he going to delete half of the Koran and rewrite the Hadiths and Sira while erasing 14 centuries of evil? Is he going to eliminate Muhammad from Islam or make him out to be the tooth fairy?
What the heck is wrong with Americans? Have they lost their ability to think straight? Has 50 years of political correctness left us like turkeys staring up into the rain until they drown?
Yeah, like so many others, I have problems with ANYTHING derived from Mohammed (ie: islam, koran, halal food, and so on)….
Momo was nothing but a 7th century warlord surrounded by a bunch of half-witted-overly-gullible-superstitious Arabs.
If the command was even too much for the 7th century Arabs to believe, Mohammed simply received a ‘revelation’…
Allah is simply the scapegoat that resided in Mohammed’s mind.
To those Muslims who pick and choose what they want from Islam:
Would you be bothered if I, a white man, subscribed to the KKK monthly newsletter?
If I only subscribe for their pie and BBQ recipes, does that make it okay???
I, too, feel for Dr. Jasser, I have no ill will towards him and wish him well, and from what he is saying, his heart is in the right place. But, he has been dealt a very bad hand, and his idea that there exists an Islam that is not a predatory, totalitarian, xenophobic, military-political ideology, dressed up in the thinnest of religious disguises is, from what I have read and seen, very unfortunately, wrong. Moreover, given a recent estimate by a visiting Muslim Imam who toured various U.S. mosques, that something like 80% of the 2,000 or so primarily Saudi founded and funded Mosques in the U.S. are fundamentalist, I suspect that Dr. Jasser’s movement, laudable though it is, is very small, and probably not representative of most Muslims in the U.S. I know Dr. Jasser wants his conception of Islam to be true, and we want it to be true, too, and various Muslims and our political leaders, our “thought leaders” and commentators have played on our ignorance and on our fervent wish for peace and for this to be true, and have told us that Islam is “the Religion of Peace,” but it isn’t.
It is true that there are a billion or more, supposedly “peaceful and moderate Muslims,” figuratively standing silently on the sidelines of the current day battlefield, where Islam’s Jihad against all “unbelievers” is being waged, but their silence is not opposition to Islam, to the Jihadis, to their cause, or to their actions, it is acquiescence, and the unasked question is just what such a “moderate Muslim” might believe, what about him might be “moderate” as we in the West understand that term, and while he might not be a fully observant Muslim, what might be his view be about us “unbelievers,” how we should be treated, and what should be our fate. Moreover, believing, in the backs of our minds, that the silence and inaction of these “peaceful Muslims” somehow means that they are really on our side, will come over to it, or will somehow come to our rescue by blocking or fighting their co-religionists is, from the evidence of the “facts on the ground”—what seem like almost weekly pro-Jihad, terrorist organizations, and terrorism, “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” demonstrations, often attended by hundreds of thousands of screaming Muslims, and hundreds of such demonstrations, too, over the last several years vs. the absence of any counter-demonstrations by even a few dozen Muslims, anywhere in the Umma, in the West, or even here in the U.S. against Islam, or its Jihad, or against Muslim terrorist organizations or terrorism–demonstrate that such fantasies about “moderate Muslims” are wishful thinking at its most dangerous.
It would be a “God-send” if such an Islam existed, but Dr. Jasser is talking of an Islam that has not and does not exist; he is trying to find a way out of an impossible situation—how to remain a Muslim and an American when the fundamental texts of his religion, and its entire history, show it to be a predatory, militant, supremacist, totalitarian “religion,” and opposed to our ideas of freedom, equality, the consent of the governed, tolerance, the rule of law, checks and balances, and the separation of church and state. The “peaceful, egalitarian and democratic” Islam that he talks about is not Islam, for to create such an Islam you would have to eliminate something like 90% of the Qur’an, leaving only a few medieval folk tales and the strictly religious requirements of the Five Pillars—the confession of faith, alms, the Hajj to Mecca, prayer, and fasting. But Muslims are taught that the Qur’an is the eternal, perfect, and unalterable word of Allah, and is applicable to all peoples, in all situations, and at all times, and that adherence must be to the whole Qur’an and not just to the verses you like. You may try to pick and choose, ignore some parts and practice others, but at some point your practice ceases to be Islam, and the Qur’an’s penalty for apostasy is death, or as is found in the Hadith, Al-Bukhary 6922, “Ibn Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allah [Muhammad] said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion kill him.” (see http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/09/muhammad-whoever-changes-his-religion-kill-him.html)
Once you read the three fundamental texts of Islam—the Qur’an, the Hadiths (the words and deeds of the Prophet and his Companions) and the Sira (ibn Ishaq’s Biography of Muhammad), once you know of the life, deeds and words of Muhammad–who is considered by Muslims to be “the Perfect Man” whose actions are to be emulated by Muslims in all things, once you study the almost 1,400 year history of Islam and its interactions with and its Jihad against all “unbelievers,” once you see and recognize the openly violent application of the tenets and commands, world view and goals of Islam and its Jihad in virtually each and every country in the world today (see the running total of world-wide Muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11 as compiled at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/, which stands, this morning, at 15,850 such attacks) and also the application of apparently “peaceful,” covert or stealthy Jihad, as is this Cordoba Mosque, once you read the sermons coming out of the Umma and the statements of Muslim terrorists—all usually very well grounded in the central tenets of Islam, it is impossible to credit Dr. Jasser’s concept of Islam, because there is no such Islam, nor are their any discernible supporters of such a peaceful Islam within the Umma, and no real support there for its coming into being.
As Muhammad said, “war is deception,” and we should not try to deceive ourselves by denying what is unfortunately a violent and painful reality, deceiving ourselves into taking the easy road of denial in order to avoid confrontation and conflict, for that false road leads to our defeat and conquest.
As has been said, while there might be “moderate Muslims,” there is no moderate Islam, and it is suicidal and the height of deadly and irresponsible denial for us to pretend there is, and, unfortunately—as we have seen, today’s “moderate Muslim” can all too easily be or become tomorrow’s Jihadi. Thus, it seems to me, that there is no “accommodation” possible with Islam–it is a dagger aimed straight at our hearts, and pretending that such an accommodation is possible or likely is the easy, false path that leads to our subversion and conquest by that predatory and militant ideology.
I also think this dog won’t hunt, there is no such thing as a moderate muslim, they either embrace Islam, or they don’t. If they do, they believe all of it, not just part of it. Kinda like a young girl cannot be “just a little but pregnant”. Either she is, or she isn’t. There is no in between.
In recent times I have come to have a very negative opinion of all muslims. My thoughts are; that they universally wish for me and my family to have a bad ending. I cannot support any part of any religion, or anything else for that matter, that prays daily for my destruction.
If I were President,,, I’d be for deporting all of these whackos back to the middle east ASAP.
‘Sway I feel about ‘em.
P.S.–I might also add that once you are aware of the fact that, in Islamic practice, it is permissible, there is religious permission/acceptance for Muslims to use the deceptive practices of Takiyya (dissimulation i.e lying) and Kitman (partial truth) when dealing with all unbelievers, and that, in some cases, there is a religious imperative that these deceptive tactics must be used–if to do so will insure the safety or advancement of a particular Muslim or of Islam, it is thereafter impossible to take anything a Muslim might say at face value, or to just assume that it is the truth and/or the whole truth. I didn’t dig this Grand Canyon, Islam did, and I am just pointing it out, and how vast and wide and deep it is, and how—for a prudent person with half a brain–it is impossible to be bridged.
Excerpted from the full essay on Islam 101 at(http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html)
“i. Taqiyya — Religious Deception
Due to the state of war between dar al-Islam and dar al-harb, reuses de guerre, i.e., systematic lying to the infidel, must be considered part and parcel of Islamic tactics. The parroting by Muslim organizations throughout dar al-harb that “Islam is a religion of peace,” or that the origins of Muslim violence lie in the unbalanced psyches of particular individual “fanatics,” must be considered as disinformation intended to induce the infidel world to let down its guard. Of course, individual Muslims may genuinely regard their religion as “peaceful” — but only insofar as they are ignorant of its true teachings, or in the sense of the Egyptian theorist Sayyid Qutb, who posited in his Islam and Universal Peace that true peace would prevail in the world just as soon as Islam had conquered it.
A telling point is that, while Muslims who present their religion as peaceful abound throughout dar al-harb, they are nearly non-existent in dar al-Islam. A Muslim apostate once suggested to me a litmus test for Westerners who believe that Islam is a religion of “peace” and “tolerance”: try making that point on a street corner in Ramallah, or Riyadh, or Islamabad, or anywhere in the Muslim world. He assured me you wouldn’t live five minutes.
{A} problem concerning law and order {with respect to Muslims in dar al-harb} arises from an ancient Islamic legal principle — that of taqiyya, a word the root meaning of which is “to remain faithful” but which in effect means “dissimulation.” It has full Quranic authority (3:28 and 16:106) and allows the Muslim to conform outwardly to the requirements of unislamic or non-Islamic government, while inwardly “remaining faithful” to whatever he conceives to be proper Islam, while waiting for the tide to turn. (Hiskett, Some to Mecca Turn to Pray, 101.)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269; Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: The Prophet said, “War is deceit.”
Historically, examples of taqiyya include permission to renounce Islam itself in order to save one’s neck or ingratiate oneself with an enemy. It is not hard to see that the implications of taqiyya are insidious in the extreme: they essentially render negotiated settlement — and, indeed, all veracious communication between dar al-Islam and dar al-harb — impossible. It should not, however, be surprising that a party to a war should seek to mislead the other about its means and intentions. Jihad Watch’s own Hugh Fitzgerald sums up taqiyya and kitman, a related form of deception.
“Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is “kitman,” which is defined as “mental reservation.” An example of “Taqiyya” would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that “of course” there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse — “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” {2:256} But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about “no compulsion in religion” has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, “compulsion in religion” for Muslims, and for non-Muslims.
“Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.”
In times when the greater strength of dar al-harb necessitates that the jihad take an indirect approach, the natural attitude of a Muslim to the infidel world must be one of deception and omission. Revealing frankly the ultimate goal of dar al-Islam to conquer and plunder dar al-harb when the latter holds the military trump cards would be strategic idiocy. Fortunately for the jihadists, most infidels do not understand how one is to read the Quran, nor do they trouble themselves to find out what Muhammad actually did and taught, which makes it easy to give the impression through selective quotations and omissions that “Islam is a religion of peace.” Any infidel who wants to believe such fiction will happily persist in his mistake having been cited a handful of Meccan verses and told that Muhammad was a man of great piety and charity. Digging only slightly deeper is sufficient to dispel the falsehood.”
In other words, if a muslim’s lips are moving,,, he’s lying. Did I get that right?
An obvious conclusion JB, and 100% correct if you’re observing the “chosen one”
Good call JB. Mass deportation to create jobs has been enacted by three former presidents in less dire situations than the present dilemma. But you can’t expect it to recur again with the only possibility of continued incumbency for all of the “moving forward” party and many of the party of resistance to destructive legislation having to rely on block voting purchased with entitlements. While tombstones have voted in past elections, the new census must seem to be an unlimited opportunity for those with an effective damage control team.
“Ted Olson, former George W. Bush solicitor general, attorney behind the case against California’s gay marriage ban, and husband of a woman who died aboard the plane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11, said Wednesday that President Obama was right about his analysis of the “Ground Zero Mosque” as a constitutional right protected by the First Amendment.”-HuffPo
Then I would suggest to Mr. Olsen and to you that the options are:
1) change the Constitution to allow for a reality in which Islam threatens the existence of the United States over the long or medium run;
2) accept that Islam is not a ‘peaceful religion’ and strip it of the ‘protections’ that allow it to wreak havoc on non-Islamic societies.
Actually, you could do both, because the Founders of the US could not and did not envision the degree of the threat, Barbary Pirates or not, and because Mr. Olsen, his loss notwithstanding, is wrong because the Founders could and did not envision the threat.
Thanks.
Larry,
Your fears;
“…Islam threatens the existence of the United States over the long or medium run; accept that Islam is not a ‘peaceful religion’ and strip it of the ‘protections’ that allow it to wreak havoc on non-Islamic societies.”
-seem a bit alarmist.
OK, I won’t ask you about the lack of Muslim armies in the west at this time, or any that threaten. Granted, there are some extremist that feel threatened by our own military forces in their lands, and they may take exception to our support for Israel. But in what way is Islam a threat to our country, in the long or medium run?
“OK, I won’t ask you about the lack of Muslim armies in the west at this time, or any that threaten. Granted, there are some extremist that feel threatened by our own military forces in their lands, and they may take exception to our support for Israel. But in what way is Islam a threat to our country, in the long or medium run?”
Here we go again with the lack of muslim armies. Now it’s merely “in the west” and not, “name a non-Islamic country occupied by a muslim army”. You’re full of it sir. How did Byzantium become muslim? How did Santa Sofia become a mosque? How did Indonesia become 90%+ muslim? How did anywhere, outside of the Arab peninsula become predominantly muslim, for that matter? What uniform does this “muslim army” wear, by the way? Could it be better indentified by it’s tenets than it’s chevrons? It’s the jihad stupid!
-So how did America become christian?
To David:
Are you implying that the US is a result of Christianity behaving akin to Islamic expansionism? If so, you may want to consider that US expansion was motivated by economics and population growth. Even the most violent of actions against American Natives were due to reactionary political measures, not various Christian forms of jihad.
Any Muslim that doesn’t submit fully to the will of Allah, i.e., Sharia, isn’t a Muslim. In Islam you are either a Muslim or you are the infidel, there is no middle ground. Dr. Zuhdi Jasser is the infidel.
Additionally, the essence of Islam is Sharia, i.e., the will of Allah. Islam and Sharia go hand in hand and you can’t get one without the other, as Sharia is an intrinsic part of Islam.
Now, no doubt Dr. Jasser considers himself to be a devout Muslim. However, outside his own small minuscule group, he is more of a curiosity and an anomaly than he is anything else, as he certainly isn’t representative or indicative of most of the devout Muslims living in the world today, although I have no doubt many of you wish it were otherwise.
Moreover, he should be labeled what he actually is, a reformed Muslim and his version of Islam should be labeled what it actually is, reformed Islam, to set it apart and to differentiate it from mainstream Islam, which Dr. Zuhdi Jasser and the writer erroneously label as radical Islam.
Finally, I wish Dr. Jasser well in his endeavors to reform Islam, however, it is literally impossible for Islam to ever be reformed, as those reformist like Dr. Jasser are seen as apostates that should be executed.
Dr. Jasser looks like a brave man attempting an impossible task, but that does not mean that his efforts are without practical merit: Immigrants from Islamic lands come to America are not necessarily animated by a personal mission to promote sharia. We can reasonably expect most of them to have been attracted to America, at various levels, not sent there on a mission. Once in America, each one of them must deal with the same cultural shock all immigrants are eventually confronted with.
Their first “safe home” is to attend the local mosque, where they might be lucky to meet leaders cut from the same cloth as Dr. Jasser, or truly subversive leaders, those the Whahabbi money supports with so much dedication to the ultimate Islamist design. Among the Americans of islamic background, like any other immigrants, some sense of identity must be arrived at, one person at a time. This can be a struggle, and role models such as Dr. Jasser are essential for their chances of arriving at the exercise of a free choice. Where they come from, they know that anyone advocating the same notions as Dr. Jasser would immediately be sent to jail, or worse.
This personal identity crisis, more particularly for the most recent generations, may well play out long before one recognizers the impossibility of resolving the competition between Islam and American values by some kind of magical mixture. Before reaching that fork in the road, immigrants from Islamic land, on their way to become a citizens, as opposed to a mere subjects, must be exposed to unorthodox views, such as those of Dr. Jasser. He may never realize the ideal of a Jeffersonian muslim (who can?), but he may inspire other immigrants to freely consider the merits of American values instead of being only bombarded with admonitions to eradicate them.
If we feel overwhelmed by the ambition of Dr. Jaffer, it may be because we have some sense of the immensity of his task. As Americans, I believe it is our duty to support him, and similarly inspired individuals. What can Christians do with Muslim? We can love them, if we are authentic!
Unfortunately, as I said above, in testimony in a 1999 State Department forum—by a visiting Muslim Imam, Imam Muhammad Hisham Kibbani, no less, it was estimated that, based on his personal visits to some 141 mosques, something like 80% of the two thousand mosques in this country, the vast majority founded and run using Saudi money, are under the influence of the Saudi’s extremely fundamentalist Wahabism (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6178), and this extends to both the free hardline Qur’an the Saudis print and distribute, and to the free Saudi produced and distributed “teaching materials” that such Mosques and other Muslim religious and educational institutions in the U.S. use.
Several investigations and translations of such Saudi supplied “teaching materials” have been made and, when translated, they are shown to teach Muslims things like the idea that they should regard themselves as “on a mission behind enemy lines,” in our majority unbeliever society, that they should not assimilate into unbeliever society, associate with unbelievers and the daily activities and celebrations of their lives, or take unbelievers as friends, but that they should erect a “wall of resentment” against all unbelievers, who, they are told, are “unclean” and the “spawn of pigs and apes” (see http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/special_report/45.pdf and http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901769_2.html ) and Muslims are told by these Saudi supplied teaching materials things like:
“[I]t is basic Islam to believe that everyone who does not embrace Islam is an unbeliever, and must be called an unbeliever, and that they are enemies to Allah, his Prophet and believers.”
“To be dissociated from the infidels is to hate them for their religion, to leave them, never to rely on them for support, not to admire them, to be on one’s guard against them, never to imitate them, and to always oppose them in every way according to Islamic law.”
“Those who reside in the land of unbelief out of their own choice and desire to be with the people of that land, accepting the way they are regarding their faith, or giving compliments to them, or pleasing them by pointing out something wrong with the Muslims, they become unbelievers and enemies to Allah and his messenger.”
“There is consensus on this matter, that whoever helps unbelievers against Muslims, regardless of what type of support he lends to them, he is an unbeliever himself.”
Tell me, if you are being fed this viewpoint each week, and are told that this is what your religion requires of you, how likely are you—if you want to be seen by the deliberately inward-looking Muslim community as still being a Muslim–to assimilate?
That’s the point. Does one prefer to remain an American Muslim constrained to the Wahabbi mold, basically a guided missile along a pre-ordained trajectory, or to become a free man? We cannot choose for them, they will make that choice themselves, one Muslim American at a time. Freedom may be a very intimidating prospect for those who have adapted themselves to the systematic and relentless denial of it since childhood. This very difficult personal struggle may be daunting enough to qualify as “Jihad” for all I know. If such conversions are to occur in significant numbers, we cannot realistically expect this to happen suddenly.
This is why I think Dr. Jasser should be supported: He might have undertaken a task bigger than himself, even as he already is an accomplished man. If it was about transforming Islam, it might be a quixotic pursuit. If it is matter of allowing men and women to chose their own beliefs, it’s rather heroic, and there is every reason for Jews and Christians to work with him, to open the door to American Muslims who would rather be simply Americans from a muslim background, in the spirit of E pluribus unum, regarless of their eventual spiritual elections.
Rather than stay any actions we might take for our own “unbeliever” self-defense and self-preservation, and rely, instead, on the existence and spread of Dr. Jasser’s hoped for, fictitious, “peaceful, egalitarian and democratic” Islam, or denying that there is even a problem at all, or relying on the possibility of a major, massive reform of violent and predatory Islam that might possibly come about sometime in the future, I say that we should rely on and react to what we can observe right now with our own eyes i.e. “the facts on the ground.”
And from what we have been allowed to observe—“allowed” because our MSM and our “governing (these days, more like ruling) class” and our officials are continually trying to obscure and deny what is really happening when a Muslim has perpetrated some act of violence or subversion against us “unbelievers” here in America–there are all sorts of check marks in the “Muslims trying to kill unbelievers and subvert and destroy America” column, and none in the “Massive numbers of Muslims in America (or anywhere else for that matter) stand up and clearly, unmistakably and openly uphold American values, denounce the violence of Islam and its subversion and terrorism, and help to root it out” column. You say that we have to wait for the “uphold America and root out Islamic terrorism” column to fill up with check marks, I say that such check marks should have been accumulating all along, and that if quite a few have not already appeared, it is unlikely that they will ever appear, or if they start to appear in the future, it may well be too late–“a day late and a dollar short.”
There have been a number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims here in the U.S. and many more such attacks that have been disrupted and thwarted; attacks that seem to be growing in frequency, seriousness and in number, and it is getting increasingly hard to cover up or to minimize them.
Recently, of course, there were the terrorist attacks by Muslim Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan at Ft. Hood, Hasan whose calling card identified him as “a soldier of Allah,” and who shouted the ancient Muslim war cry, “Allahu Akbar,” as he mowed down his fellow soldiers—now there’s a clue. The toll of dead and wounded–13 dead, 31 wounded, 28 seriously, and it has been reported that, shamefully, there will be no special pay, or benefits, or medals for the soldiers who were victims at Ft. Hood as there were for the victims of 9/11 at the Pentagon, because in order to qualify these military victims for medals, or increased pay, or medical benefits Hasan’s attack would have had to have been acknowledged as an act of war or “terrorism,” and it wasn’t—so screw our dead and wounded soldiers and their families and their fellow soldiers who were their friends, who our military can rely on the keep their mouths shut, and to “soldier on.” Attacks against unbelievers by Muslims whose central motivation and aim our MSM and government officials seek to obscure and to explain away—so, we are told that Hasan was a “loner,” that Hasan had “financial troubles” and had been “foreclosed on,” that Hasan felt he was “discriminated against,” and that Hasan “missed his wife and children,” and that poor Maj. Hasan is now paralyzed and in a wheelchair, etc., etc. (but his victims have disappeared from the pages and screens of our MSM), and the military’s own 86 page report on this glaringly obvious Muslim terror attack at Ft. Hood never even mentioned Hasan by name, and mentioned “Islam” not once.
Then, there was the “Times Square bomber”—who has practically faded from sight, and all along the “narrative”—from our MSM, from our political leaders, from our military and police officials–is that we cannot really just automatically connect these actions directly to Islam, and that to do so would be “paranoid,” “bigoted,” and “racist,” and all along we are told that we “should not jump to conclusions” and “tar all Muslims with the same brush,” and that if we “dwell on,” if we investigate, if we probe and closely examine what is really going on here, we will precipitate the always feared and dreaded, the real as unicorns, violent “backlash against Muslims,” so that we must “go easy” and make even more “accommodations” to Muslims, so that they will “feel at home here in America,” so that the “pressures and discrimination” that pushed the unfortunate Major Hasan and the Times Square bomber “over the edge” will not push more Muslims “over the edge.”
I say it is time to get real and to protect our “unbeliever” America and ourselves from Islam and Muslim’s Jihad–both the violent Maj. Hasan and Times Square bomber type, and the subversive, stealth “Cordoba Mosque” type, and the first step—as in the “12 Steps,” is to recognize that we have a huge and dangerous and growing problem with Islam and Muslims here in America, and to face it squarely, and to say it out loud.
I see that I have confused my Muslim terrorists, and that the Muslim terrorist who was “foreclosed on” was Faisal Shahzad, the “Times Square Bomber,” whereas Maj Hasan, the other Muslim terrorist, was just a “loner” and “discriminated against” and “lonely,” and I apologize.
But, in passing, let me note that a close reading of news accounts discloses that before poor Shahzad was “foreclosed on,” this poor, oppressed “Times Square Bomber”–who had little discernible income, yet bought his townhouse in 2004 for $273,000, put $56,000 cash down, and had a mortgage of $218,000–took out an equity loan and yanked $65,000 out of his townhouse in 2009, just before he and his family abandoned the property, he decided to quit paying on his mortgage, he sent his wife and two children back to Pakistan, and he moved into a cheap, rat trap apartment; his default causing the foreclosure on his house(http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2010/05/faisal-shahzad.html).
Since this mosque is allegedly for ‘healing’, where will they put the Inter-Faith chapel? I suspect that it should have its own door so we infidels don’t have to remove our shoes. I’ve always thought that removing shoes was dictated by the janitors after having to clean up camel-poop tracked in by the faithful.
Thanks for showing us a ray of hope in the gloom. The perception of Islam in this country is largely one of sullen and resentful haters of America and the West, because the most vocal voices from Islam have been from terrorists and radicals.
It’s really a shame that most Americans have so few opportunities to know or work with Muslims. After 9/11, I read a number of books about Islam in order to better understand its history and teachings. What astonished me was that there is theoretically no central authority in this vast religion. The voices we were hearing spouting radicalism have no authority other than their ability as demagogues. The Caliphate is really a secular political goal, not a religious one.
In a setting like this, it is imperative that other Muslims stand up and speak out, to set the record straight and support the Quranic doctrine that all Muslims are equal in both worth and authority.
I am astonished by the knowledge level of the commenters here on all things Muslim, however do you commenters have any actual experience with Muslims? You can’t cut Dr. Jasser a break? I have traveled extensively through Muslim countries and it is abundantly clear that in places like Malaysia and Indonesia it is entirely possible to be a moderate, passive Muslim. Typically, Muslims in this part of the world (the majority of Muslims in the world) will immediately apologize to me for their fellow Muslims’ terrorism when they find out I am an American. It has happened many times. We need to sort out the Wahhabism of the Arabs from the entirety of the Muslims. This strain of Islamism clearly needs to be resisted.
Christians were pretty barbaric as a whole until quite recently in historical terms. Change takes time. As the world progresses economically, more Muslims will moderate. Dr. Jasser is in the vanguard. He should be supported rather than denigrated.
Astonished? I love the way your anecdotal evidence is evidence of the moderate muslim even when experts like Dr. Spencer, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Walid Shoeblatt and Raymond Ibrahim appear to disagree with you entirely. Remain blindfolded, my friend. Daniel Perl believed in the moderate muslim, too. The problem is Islam, not whether any individual muslim is “moderate” or not.
Yes, “change takes time” but, unfortunately, we don’t have that kind of time available to us, the clock has run, and among other significant events, Iran is publicly loading radioactive material into its first nuclear reactor this week (which tells me that their real, clandestine nuclear weapons program is probably many more steps further along than that), and despite attacks by its enemies from all sides, and even some from within, over the last almost 1,400 years, Islam had not changed, reformed, modernized, softened, or liberalized to any major degree, and certainly not in how it views “unbelievers” and what it’s plans are to subvert, intimidate, dominate, plunder, and conquer us.
Dr. Jasser may very well be a good,sincere and well intentioned man, but the odds of his efforts bringing any change to Islam are zero. For any American to believe that a Muslim Liberty Project can produce results is a total waste of time. The only rational Muslim Liberty Project is one that tries to liberate Muslims from the yoke of Islam.
The post-religionists who try to compare Islam to Christianity with the assertion that all religions are alike are illustrating the truth of the old adage: “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything”. There is so much information available today that no one can claim to be an informed person and at the same time claim to be unaware of the barbaric nature of Islam. In the upside down world we are living in Al Gore can say that the “science is settled” about global warming based on nothing but rigged computer models, but after fourteen centuries of first hand experience with Islam, ALL of which runs counter to any reasonable definition of civilization, the “intellectuals” are still trying to rationalize the atrocities of Islam as it is currently practiced. Well, when it comes to Islam “the Science is settled” and the time for foolishness about reforming Islam, or discussing its merits compared to other religions is long passed; the time for confronting and pushing back Islam is long overdue. Rather than endless discussions about what REAL Islam REALLY is we should be developing REAL strategies for confronting the evil that Islam REALLY is.
Here is the most alarming thing so far about this mosque:
It is not two blocks away from Ground Zero…it is 600 feet, as the crow flies.
It’s 2 blocks if you try to walk it…around corners.
It is not going to be 13 stories.
It is going to be 15 stories, with a “prayer room”
on the 15th floor that can accommodate 2,000 people.
No doubt the roof will be domed…
But the kicker is…from that 15th floor, the devout will
have an unobstructed view to Ground Zero itself…600 feet away.
And that means that when YOU go to Ground Zero
To pay your respects…
You will be able to see The Complete Dome of A Mosque
From the Center of Ground Zero.
Pretty, pretty, clever…
Sharia on fiyah.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/civilizational_war.html
I applaud Dr. Jassar, and wish him and his efforts well. However, I am truly puzzled, and would therefore like to gently chide him with one question:
Theologically, what gives him the right to pick and choose what he professes from the Koran, Hadiths, and Sharia?
Muslim theologist have been consistent over the centuries in determining that true Islam consists of abrogation by the hard-line jihadist Medina suras over those of the live-and-let-live Mecca sections. Likewise with Sharia, all of the barbaric 7th-century Arabist cultural tenets are supposed to be fulfilled by every good Muslim without exception.
Whenever moderate Muslims are confronted with such questions, they inevitably fall back on what they personally believe Islam should be, not about what Islam truly is. They can be moderate because they live in what is currently the ‘strong horse’ of Western culture. If that ever changes, such moderates would immediately be attacked as apostates by the powers of true Islam, and be forced to recant or be killed.
I humbly implore so-called moderates such as Dr. Jassar to wake up. While there may now be such as thinng as moderate Muslims, in its current historically consistent form there absolutely cannot be such a thing as moderate Islam.
Charles, I mean this with respect… but you ask Jasser what right he has to pick and choose from the Koran.
For one, people of all faiths do that with their holy books- thank God. Otherwise Christians would still be selling their wives into slavery, and there might very well be Jews attacking non-Jews, etc.
Second, what right do you have to tell a Muslim what is and what isn’t the true form of his religion? I don’t see why you would cite Muslim scholars that have said moderate Muslims aren’t true Muslims; those are the same radical Muslims we consider to be pure scum and totally screwed in the head.
Religion is all about interpretation; that is why we have different sects of Judaism and Christianity. It makes little to no sense to tell a Muslim that he has to interpret his religion with an all-or-nothing attitude.
Thank you Aaron, you state well what I would have said myself. No one will argue that there are sects and tenets of this religion (and many religions) that are deplorable and indeed something to be scared and wary of. That being said, it seems quite apparent that the vast majority of North American Muslims do not ascribe to those particular beliefs.
Words to Live and Die by
Consider the following video as preface to this article on the subject of why Democrats are so nitwitty that they can’t comprehend the difference between actual reality and their miasmic interpretation and misunderstanding of what is real.
The video features that peace-lovin’, diversity-endorsing, monster mosque-building, in-yer-face-America-we-won-you-lost Islamic terrorist-without-portfolio, Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf’s comments following September 11th, 2001: http://tiny.cc/92t8v.
Imaf Rauf is the same Muslim whose project to build that monster mosque/recreation center/restaurant/gymnasium/meeting place/ cultural-exchange locale and generally jolly old Islamic fun place to be place has been heartily endorsed by Democrat Governor David Patterson, Democrat Senator Chuckie Schumer, life-long Democrat Mayor Boomboom, Democrat gubernatorial aspirant Chris Cuomo, and virtually every other Democrat in the nation.
New York Governor-by-default Paterson last week tossed in a sweet freebie for Rauf and his monster mosque. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1853)
After years of revisionist history being taught in our schools most are not aware that the United States has been fighting Islamist terrorists since the founding of our nation. Islam, et al, is not compatible with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the ideals set forth in the Declaration of Independence. The name of the perverted philosophy means “to submit”. It is a governmental, religious and judicial system all rolled into one devised to control populations by any means possible.
This is a religious war. Plain and simple. Our PC ways won’t allow us to believe that but it is what it is. The other side has no problem recognizing this and proclaims it all the time (5 times a day, as noted in a previous post). The Humanists, Agnostics and Atheists in the west refuse to believe that religion could be that important, that dominant in someone’s belief system that they would go to war for it. If you don’t recognize your enemy for what he is, what his motivations are and what his end-game goal is, you are going to lose. That’s why we’re losing.
We lie to ourselves and believe the lies coming from our enemies. “Islam is a religion of peace.” Sure it is. When everyone in the world submits to it, bends their knee in supplication and pays the extortion demanded by its leaders. When there are no more personal freedoms and everyone is on their faces 5 times a day. Until then they’ll keep right on fighting against the ‘Unbelievers”, the kafirs, the infidels as our inhabiting the same planet with them is unacceptable in their belief system.
So, in summation, I suggest everyone pull their head out of the up-and-locked position, recognize the enemy for who he really is, what his motivations are and what his goals are. Even if your not religious, resist and oppose (unless you want religion forced on you, then just keep ignoring the truth) by all means possible. There is no such thing as a “moderate Muslim”.
This is the dumbest thing that has come to light since the economy crashed, and if no one has noticed that happened when our new president came to office. We are rewarding the muslims for blowing up the twin towers. When they decide to pull another attack is our president going to send our Americans out there to help them rebuild their country as a reward. The president needs to take a step back and start helping the American people who work their butts off everyday trying to make a living. Where is our breaks? We try to attend college to help support ourselves and better ourselves but now part of our loan money goes to help the needy. The needy are people who dont have jobs and refuse to get a job because they would rather the government support them and our country allows this. I work everyday, go to graduate school and raise a family, where is my break. I want someone to give me a tax break and let me get assistance with everyday necessities. That will not happen in this lifetime. The president needs to put that money he is going to spend on rewarding foreigners towards the people who need it, like people who make an effort to support themselves but struggle everyday because the government takes most of their money.
Maybe Jasser’s attempts to get more muslim youth involved in military and “homeland security” under the guise of patriotism, serves only to create a further weakness in the American Machine over the long haul. It seem to me a muslim american killed fellow soldiers at a base in Texas recently!! We allow them into the inner circle and they will kill us from within, it is the islamic sharia law that drives them and will continue to do so.
I have read through almost all the responses here and have a few questions/observations of my own: 1) Muslims have had many many decades to attempt this “take-over” and permeation of the US, show me evidence of this because frankly I do not see it, or barring that, explain why so many of you feel this is suddenly starting now and in the near future. No matter where we live in the western world we have Muslims in our communities, have they been methodically terrorizing and attempting to convert their neighbors? Where is this going on? 2) there is no legal or constitutional way to stop the center from being built. People are behaving like it is the first mosque ever to be erected in the US. Frankly I am more afraid of the fear-mongerers than the American Muslim community.
Evidence: Papers from MB house describing their step-by-step plan to conquer America. I believe they’re on about step 3 of 5 or thereabouts. Once you read it, come back. You’ll be chilled to the bone.
Dear Sparrowhawk,for us believers God is the compendium of all good and perfection. Faith is a gift from God, but for the asking. Faith is that precious pearl that only you can look for it. A reasonable man have to admit that is imposible to find anything if you honestly do not look for it.It will be like a type of undeserving entitlement.
MB=Muslim Brotherhood, father of all the other “muslim civil-rights groups” in the west. Banned in Egypt because in that country, they know what the MB is all about. We need to learn.
religion is a beautiful thing when taken in moderation….
mark twain (i think)
It is only because Dr Jasser lives in the freedom of a Western nation that he can speak of his fellow Moslems as not adhering to his version of Islam; in a Moslem-dominant country, he would either be threatened, deprived of legal rights, exiled or killed. If the imagined ‘moderates’ were indeed the ‘majority’ and yet are so silent against these supposed ‘misunderstandings’ of Islam by the Jihadists, how much more acquiescent will they become as the numbers of those ‘misunderstanders’ in the West grow, either through immigration or birth? Islam is seditious at its core: Zakat, regarded as actually the most important of all the Five Pillars of Islam, is not just ‘alms for the poor’: that is only one of 7 uses of Zakat, prime among those uses is “For Allah’s Cause” — for those who fight in ‘holy’ war (Jihad) to establish Islam and the submission of all people to it under its Sharia. (This is actually why so many Islamic ‘charities’ and mosques are revealed as financial conduits for Jihad/terrorism.) Even if one were able to ‘moderate’ its hatred, intolerance and denigration of others, what would we be left with? A psychopath, a megalomaniac and a sexual pervert (according to the Koran, Hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim, and the Sira) whose ‘message’ could never be compared with that of Jesus and the New Testament.
As to that line that ‘we can’t be at war with 1.2 billion Moslems’; we need to realize that millions of those people live in fear of their lives from their ‘fellow’ Moslems due to Islam’s mandate of death for apostasy; that at least 55% of all Moslems are the result of consanguinous (paternal first cousin marriages) and are thus likely to suffer mental and physical restrictions which seriously impair their ability to think and act rationally and independently; and that the majority of Moslems, world-wide, live in Moslem-dominant societies led by tyrants who enslave and diminish their fellow Moslems far worse than any imagined ‘imperialist’ West. Therefore, our greatest gift to those presently under Islam’s control is not our accommodation or peaceful acceptance of Islam but, rather, our complete exposure of its cruelty and falsehood, our refusal to allow its inhumane Sharia any traction at all in the West, and our firm support and protection for our own nations by refusing any more Moslem immigration and taking steps to proscribe Islam as a seditious political ideology and deporting its adherents. Those who consider themselves ‘moderate’ can get on with the work of liberating their fellow Moslems. We, for our part, should starve Islam of access to the West, use our own natural energy resources instead of being reliant on others and attack the Left in all areas of Western life where it has sought to weaken us while using ‘political correctness,’ ‘multiculturalism’ and Islam as battering rams.
I have yet to read of any self-professed ‘moderate Moslem’ tackling the issues of Zakat, Jihad, Abrogation, Sharia and the Mandates (within the Koran and/or Hadiths) of Death for Apostates, Death for Adulterers, Death for Homosexuals, Polygamy, Pedophilia, Wife-beating, Denial of Equal Rights for non-Moslems and Slavery.
Bravo! A little learning is an eye-opener, isn’t it? I’m always dismayed by how little pro-muslim westerners actually know about it.
No Mosque at Ground Zero for all the reasons so eloquently stated above.
wrong place wrong time. if i went to iraq and tried to to open a white mans church .it would be in pieces within hours. only time will heal these wounds and that time is not now.