A Palestinian State: Why Bibi and Tzipi Can’t Get Along
If nothing is certain but death and taxes, all the rest is even less certain in Israeli coalition negotiations. Still, in prime minister-designate Bibi Netanyahu’s second attempt on Friday to woo Tzipi Livni — current foreign minister and head of the Kadima Party — into his coalition, he took a second strong rebuff.
Netanyahu’s center-right Likud Party won 27 Knesset mandates (out of 120) in the February 14 elections, one mandate less than center-left Kadima. But with the six center-right parties winning decisively as a bloc, it’s Netanyahu who’s been tasked with forming the next government.
And while he can probably form a center-right majority government of 65 Knesset members without courting Kadima and the other center-left party, Labor, he plainly regards such a coalition with trepidation. It would include parties and individuals perceived as extremist both by the Israeli center-left and abroad, and would, Netanyahu fears, give him a weak basis for pursuing critical national tasks like coping with Israel’s mounting economic crisis and possibly dealing militarily with the Iranian nuclear threat.
Yet in Friday’s meeting with Livni — in which he again made a generous offer of cabinet posts for Kadima — the sticking point was, again, Netanyahu’s refusal to commit himself to a full-fledged, sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. Netanyahu is reported to have said: “A final agreement will see the Palestinians having the full authority to run their lives. But do you want them to have control of the air space, their own army, the right … to make alliances with other states like Iran, or control over borders that would allow for weapons imports? … If they get full sovereignty it will pose a risk to [Israel's] security.”
Critics of Livni — including some within Kadima who favor continuing the coalition talks with Likud — ask why at this stage, with the Palestinians split between Hamas-ruled Gaza and weak, corrupt Fatah rule in the West Bank, she’s giving the Palestinian-state issue such centrality even as Israel faces grave, immediate challenges like the economy, Iran, and ongoing rocket fire. Livni’s stance, on the other hand, has a powerful backer in U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who said on Friday, regarding her upcoming visit to Israel this week, that “we will certainly convey our strong commitment to a two-state solution.”
As an Israeli I can only wish that all of those who call for “two states for two peoples” would understand exactly what that means. Mr. Netanyahu certainly made it crystal clear to Ms. Livni, and apparently made no impression whatsoever. What I really fear are those in the Obama Administration who, like Chas Freeman and Samantha Powers, understand exactly what a sovereign Palestinian state means and what a fully armed, aggressive, and Islamic treaty protected Palestinian State could do or at least threaten to do to Israel, and yet continue to support the idea. I am very afraid that many of the Obama people are hostile to the Israeli State to begin with, and really believe that if Israel didn’t exist, that American relations with the Arab Islamic states of the Middle East would improve.
Can anyone explain the 78% support of Obama by Jewish voters?
If Israel would give up its crackpot electoral system of voting for parties instead of people,it could elect a strong government
Maggie asks, “Can anyone explain the 78% support of Obama by Jewish voters?” Perhaps it’s because for so many US Jews, their primary affiliation isn’t Orthodox, Conservative or Reform, it’s Liberal.
Good question, Maggie (#2). Let’s see in anyone will answer.
Maggie:
About the 78% of Jews voting Obama, I’ll give it a try.
First, I should say, I am perplexed, disgusted and dismayed at my brethren.
I think it boils down to this. They are scared Diaspora Jews who don’t want to be unpopular or g against the grain, suggestig they are no different, despite wails to the contrary, than European Jews of bygone years. Court the King, etc, etc.
Also, there is nothing Jewish about the Jewish vote. Most American Jews worship secular liberalism. Nothing, and I mean nothing, trumps this; apprently not even the future of the Jewish state. This would explain why people WHO LOST RELATIVES TO THE NAZIS railed against Sarah Palin and Bush, they are anti-abortion, the original sin for secular Jews.
Apparently, it doesn’t matter if a candidate would joint the IDF to protect Israel, if they are anti-abortion, they’re out.
It’s a shocking state of affairs, and I believe it was Lenin who called them “useful idiots.”
No# 6 is exactly right, appalling and painful as it is. I do not know what the thing is about abortion. I can understand different views on this question, which I don’t think is simple. I can’t understand “pro-choice” trumping EVERYTHING ELSE for so much of a community.
If you somehow could take the two-state solution off the table, what else is there as a viable final-status solution?
Nothing.
Nothing realistic anyway. Egypt’s not going to take Gaza, and Jordan’s not going to take the West Bank Palestinian towns.
The more that right-wing Israelis and their misguided American supporters support policies that make two states impossible (building more settlements, in particular) the more a one-state solution, wiping “Israel” off the map and forcing Jews to live as a minority people again, becomes a serious option.
All options have to be on the table to dislodge the Sons of allah from their current position of leading Arab Society.
Military means, diplomacy and regional development are not enough.
Bibi gets it. Livni less so.
What is wrong with casting aside the strait jacket that political correctness assigns to the area of faith?
After all, those with blood on their hands have a refuge in mosques, and frankly that asylum should no longer be available.
Until Islam is changed beyond recognition or the local Arabs are so thoroughly beaten they give up Jihad, two state is a joke, peace is a joke. Meanwhile, let’s all be nice and pretend there is something called the Mideast Peace Process.
To answer the American Jews vote of 78% for Obama, it has a lot to do with the fact that many of those 78% are not strongly educated about the problems that Israel faces and the great benefits that Israel provides. Their source of news is from the New York Times, CNN, CNBC and the BBC – if you listen to all of those sources, Israel is morally equivalent to the murderous Hamas regime. Also, on domestic issues, the Holocaust actually turned Jews more liberal – because they are afraid of “rightist” governments and the Republican focus on certain restrictions on free speech rights and gay rights and abortion rights strikes them as “authoritarian”. And remember, the Republican Party wanted nothing to do with the Jews in the critical period from the 1920′s to the 1950′s – the Democrats gave Frankfurter and Brandeis supreme court seats; the Republicans were the party of country-club anti-Semitism. Only recently in the first Bush administration, James Baker dissed the Jews and GHW Bush’s policies towards Israel make Obama’s look great. So, to sum up, these 78% don’t see a threat to Israel from an Obama administration and feel ashamed at Israel’s “rightist” leanings and don’t understand how homophobic, misogynistic, racist and brutal the Hamas regime is. They also believe that every “settler” is one of the minority of “let’s live in the middle of Hebron-type settler” instead of the typical suburban settler.
As to Markus’ comment regarding no alternative to the 2-state solution – I disagree that a 3-state solution is not possible – i.e. Jordan taking back part of the West Bank and Egypt taking back Gaza. In fact, that is the only thing that will work in the near term – the genocidal hatred of the Hamas (and even Fatah) regimes is not going to change until a few generations have passed – generations in which their version of Sesame Street doesn’t have poisonous characters urging toddlers to martyr themselves and kill and maim Jews (who are defined as “apes and pigs”).
Thanks for your answers to the 78% question. The abortion answer deserves attention. I agree with Joel, “I can’t understand ‘pro-choice’ trumping EVERYTHING ELSE for so much of a community.” That applies to many groups other than Jews. With the personal choice of abstinence or the many contraceptive choices why would anyone promote the abortion of healthy babies? Why not promote personal responsibility and respect for human life?
There exists a simple solution to the problem. It was one used in oldentimes. Feifs (or feoffs) Palatine. Nominally independent, but still beholden somewhat to their overlord nation. It allowed them to rule themselves to some degree, but were subordinate in matters of national security, fealty, and the taxes for same.
Harry, how do you propose to interest Jordan’s non-Palestinian rulers in accepting a few million more Palestinian citizens? Are they supposed to do this out of the kindness of their hearts? Perhaps those Palestinians could just overthrow King Abdullah and establish…a Palestinian terror state on the other side of the Jordan. Would that be preferable for you over the present status quo? A three-state solution is a fantasy.
Marc — anything short of full sovereignty will be likened by the world to the black tribal “nations” that existed within South Africa.
Better idea is the status quo for now, with a possibility for future full sovereignty later.
Its easy to explain why 78% of the Jews voted for Obama. The first time I went to a Republican party meeting was for Gerald Ford, I was told a really vicious Jew joke. I still remember that feeling today. It took Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Diane Feinstein to bring me back to the Republican party. I took the position that the enemy of my enemy… Since then I’ve voted a Republican ticket; however, I still haven’t gone to work for the Party. That energy I had has gone.
Oscar, I am sorry you had that experience. My experience has been liberals are far more often offensive and rude than conservatives.
Can anyone explain the 78% support of Obama by Jewish voters?
Evidence please! Don’t point at a poll either. Polls are not evidence of anything beyond the ability of pollsters to fleece the few suckers that believe in polls.
Can anyone explain the 78% support of Obama by Jewish voters?
Believe it or not there is no evidence for that statement. But what I think contributed to Hussein’s election and what is happening now is that some group has learned how to manipulate the election software in computer voting machines to benefit their candidate. For that reason I think we should go back to single paper ballots with bar codes that identify the registered voter.
But even if there is no evidence for 78% support for Hussein, there still was a lot of Jews working to get him elected. So how to explain Jewish support for Obama? I think that Jews are easy to delude because they are a particular ethnic crowd, consequently crowd hypnosis by an experienced agitator-propagandist would work wonders on Jewish opinion to persuade them to block vote for them.
I always wondered why Hillary (rotten) Clinton got the Jewish vote in the first place considering she’s a man-eating, power mad creep? With her history of radical leftist politics and antisemitism, why on earth did the Jews ever deign to elect her – (and the the lesbian wife of a former impeached president to boot), as their senator? Hillary is a corrupter, and corrupters corrupt everybody else around them. Hussein is corrupt also. For heavens sake, can’t people tell when candidates are corrupt and creeps also. Obama is not cool, he is a creep, and so is Hillary. Beats me how they got elected to office.
Number one, a Palestinians state to include Gaza, and the West bank is out of question. It’s just impossible for Israel to give up that vast area between Gaza, and the West Bank. The status quo will remain. Gaza in one side, the West Bank on the other side, and in between jewish settlements, towns, and cities. If Palestinians want that area, they will have to take it, either in dollars or in blood. That’s only part of the problem. Jerusalem is also up for grab. For now if I am discussing the problem with Mr.Natanyahu, I will tell him befriend the West bank, give them an offer they can’t refuse, they can for instance become dual citizen, have the same rights as any Israeli citizen, as long as they don’t have to turn jewish. I bet they will go along. In Gaza, let them have a state of their own. Israel has to be the first to offer the Palestinians a solution. Remember that Israel only is surviving because of the Palestinians weakness. Another conflict can be the last, and Israel might confront another country that are more capable of inflicting heavy damages to Israel.
Harry Fenton:
You are right on some points but misguided on others. I do agree Jews getting news from the NY Times are, largely, out of touch. Those of us, “form the left” were fed this scenario: FDR was friend of the Jews, Republicans were more anti-Semetic than Democrats and worked only for the “rich man,” and other assorted nonsense.
Turns out FDR was not philo Semetic and his economic policies were ruinious. The Republican party was the party of Lincoln and worked toward ending slavery, not to mention current eduation policy practiced by liberal Democrats has been disastrous for inner city Black children. The current Democratic party is as wealthy, or wealthier, than the Republicans currently are.
Up is down and down is up. There simply is no logical reason for Jews to vote Democrat these days when you throw in Obama’s ties to Wright, Farrakhan and the elite left’s criticism of Israel.
Maggie – I think abortion is the least of it. Oscar’s experience is not atypical. More significantly, Jews are generally libertarians when it comes to personal rights and freedoms – something the Republican Party is not; the Republicans are libertarians on economic issues, something most Jews are not. So, even if many Jews support a strong defense and a strong Israel, the 2 domestic issues, which directly affect their lives and philosophies, trump the Israel issue.
Also, the abortion issue is a 2 way street. If it were the Democrats that were the party opposing abortions, and all other issues fell out the same way they do now, which side would you be on? Are you at heart a one-issue voter as well?
Markus – the “palestinians” in Jordan could overthrow King Abdullah without the West Bankers – then what – your doomsday scenario would happen. Same thing with Egypt. Taking on the Gazans and the West Bankers would not tip the authoritarian Egyptian and Jordanian regimes right away to Islamofacism. Why would they do it? Because the constant agitation by Hamas-idal maniacs and the Fatahniks engenders a hostility towards Israel and the governments at peace with her in both Egypt and Jordan. The status quo is a threat to the stability of these states. Egypt and Jordan want a Hamas state as much as they want to be replaced by the Brotherhood in Egypt and radical Palis in Jordan. Egypt and Jordan can take over and provide administration to actually build up Gaza and, unlike Israel, they can weed out Hamas without a peep from Hillary Clinton, the EU or the UN.
Psychobarb – You are correct -today. But old habits die hard. Reagan changed the equation, but GHW Bush went back to the “F the Jews” Baker mentality. FDR wasn’t philo-semitc, nor was LBJ – but they weren’t as overtly racist as the other guys. Nor was the anti-civil-rights Republican Party of the 1960′s the same as the slave-freeing party of the 1860″s. One would think that Jimmy Carter was all that was necessary to get folks to go the other way – they did with Reagan.
Logic doesn’t have a lot to do with it – historical voting records of parents and grandparents do. Also, Jews are more fragmented and trending towards greater assimilation. There are about 6-7 million traditionally-defined Jews in this country (and about another 10 million or so who are not Jewish but have a Jewish grandparent who assimilated). So the trend is away from ethnic/religious identification with many of the US Jews. It won’t be important to them again until they are discriminated against for their ancestry.
If Logic was the only thing, Jews would vote Republican, but not because of Israel per se (but hopefully they would view Israel as most logical people do – i.e., a progressive, Western state (which allows gays to serve openly in its military and its society) in the middle of a barbarous, homophobic, misogynist, totalitarian region.
Hamas didn’t come to power overnight and they will not fade or ever give up control of Gaza. Everywhere Israel abandons Hamas will violently take, therefore Israel must NEVER relinquish land it controls lest it be seized by an enemy born & raised to dissolve her.
The Jews in New York voted for Hillary the Senator, in spite of her clear history of supporting the Palestinians from college through the Clinton Years.
Now they feel cheated when Secretary of State Clinton is once again favoring the Palestinians.
It’s time for these folks to wake up and realize that their reflexive liberalism is a death pact.
“ALL OF THE PALESTINIANS MUST BE KILLED;
MEN, WOMEN, INFANTS and EVEN THEIR BEASTS”
Rabbi Yisrael Rosen
Here is Rabbi Yisrael Rosen’s Website
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3266113,00.html
“All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts” cries the religious opinion of Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, the director of the long-established Tsomet Religious Institute. He wrote that Palestinians are like the nation of Amalekites, who attacked the Israelite tribes led by Moses on their way to Jerusalem. He stated that the Lord sent down in the Torah a ruling that allowed the Jews to kill the Amalekites, and that this ruling is known in Jewish jurisprudence (That’s exactly what the Israeli Offensive Forces did in Ghaza.)
The Torah states: “Annihilate the Amalekites from the beginning to the end. Kill them and wrest them from their possessions. Show them no mercy. Kill continuously, one after the other.. Leave no child, plant, or tree. Kill their beasts, from camels to donkeys..” Rosen stated that Amalekites are not a particular race, but rather all those who hate and oppose the Jews; Christians and Muslims.
Many leading Israeli Rabbis support Rosen’s views. Israel’s former Sephardic Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu advocated carpet bombing of Gaza stating that “there is absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during massive military offensive on Gaza” (The Jerusalem Post, 30 May, 2007). His son Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu amplified his father’s genocidal call stating: “if they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand, then we must kill 10,000 and even a million”
Many Rabbis had argued that Palestinians in Gaza are not innocent civilians and that during war time it is not individuals but nations the Israelis are fighting. (It seems that Hitler had adopted this Telmudic teaching when he persecuted all European Jews)
Israeli educators, scholars, and politicians, openly, advocate the annihilation of all Palestinians. Dr. Nachum Rakover, a legal scholar, opined “They voted for killers and sent them to kill us. To call them (civilians) innocent is a tragic comedy… civilians are partners of the killers” Eli Yeshai, Israeli official in the Orthodox Shas party argued that “extermination of the enemy is sanctioned by the Torah” Many other politicians called for the need for “wiping off Gaza from the face of earth”, and “annihilating of every moving thing there.” The right-wing Israeli politician Avigdor Lieberman proposed nuking Gaza following the US example when it dropped the atomic bomb on Japan during WWII.
This “ideology of annihilation” is by no means a minority opinion in Israel, but represents a mainstream in the Jews of Israel as well as Jews in the West (US). The popular attitude is “if it was right by God to order us to commit genocide during Biblical time, why can’t it be right to commit genocide now. Has God changed his mind?” Indeed Judaic god is a racist genocidal god.
Watch and listen here to an example of how Israeli Jews are brainwashed and indoctrinated into the ideology of annihilation by their rabbis and scholars through Israeli media. Watch Max Blumenthal’s videotape of a group of messianic Orthodox Jewish Chabad-Lubavitch exhibit this ideology in NYC in January 11, 2009.
The Israeli spokesman, Nachman Abramovic demonized Palestinian children stating “They may look young to you, but these people are terrorists at heart. Don’t look at their deceptively innocent faces, try to think of the demons inside each of them … I am absolutely certain these people would grow to be evil terrorists if we allowed them to grow… would you allow them to grow to kill your children or finish them off right now? … honost and moral people ought to differentiate between true humans and human animals. We do kill human animals and we do so unapologetically. Besides who in the West is in a position to lecture us on killing human animals. After all, whose hands are clean?”
Human animal mentioned by Abramovic refers to the Judaic religious belief that Jews are Gods chosen people; the elite and the pure-blooded, while all others (non-Jews, Goyims, gentiles) are animal souls incarnated into human bodies to serve the Jews. Killing a human animal is just a sport like hunting deer or birds.
More here: http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m42961&hd=&size=1&l=e
Mr. Fenton:
I am saying the dichotomy our parents grew up on, “Repubs all bad, Dems, all good” was not exactly correct and yet it has persisted.
The reason old habits die is complex and not as easily explained by the fact country club Republicans were anti-Semitic in 1940.
The is a reason Jews went and continue to go along with this scenario.
Denial comes to mind.
While agree his father fit more the mold of “the State Department anti-Israel type,” GW Bush understood how important a democratic Jewish state was; he “got it.”
Does Obama?
Psychobarb -
Denial is not the only reason. Look at Rush – some of his very strong views are anathema to folks who perceive him to be dogmatically opposed to libertarian personal freedoms and liberal-minded social concerns about the less-fortunate. These values resonate with Jews, even if they are not personally gay, poor, sending their kids to public school or lining up at the local abortion clinic.
Look at the Osbourne case that has just been heard this week by the Supreme Court – a prisoner convicted of rape/murder in Alaska in 1993 has requested that he be entitled to test the DNA sample almost 15 years post-conviction. Unlike in 1993, DNA testing today is a “truth test” – in 1993, it was slightly more precise than blood-type testing; today it is definitive. The arguments against re-testing (even while the prisoner remains in jail) are coming from conservative quarters and a Republican State of Alaska. Libertarians, however, would think it crazy to keep a man (even an otherwise bad man) in prison for a crime that can be proved, without a doubt, that he did not commit). Conservatives see a slippery slope here of letting everyone free; of convicts gaming the system. It is this type of conservatism, hostile to certain fundamental fairness, that is the face of the Republican Party to many, otherwise rational, moderates. Rush alienates and resonates stronger than the need for Israel to have the best advocate in the Presidency.
And it is also ignorance, not denial, that plays a part in many Jews not understanding what the situation is in Israel vis a vis Gaza. They see Gazans portrayed as the underdog and don’t understand why Israel needs to rule over this land. Maybe they are in denial when they forget that Israel left Gaza years ago and that missiles have been the reward of withdrawal, but fundamentally, they don’t understand the geography that makes it impossible to live safely with hostile forces on either side of a narrow strip of Israeli land. They are ignorant of the pervasive scope of anti-Jewish racism in even “moderate” Palestinian kindergartens or they assume that is “root-caused” by the Israeli “oppression”. If you listen to NPR on a regular basis as your primary source of news, how could you think otherwise?
Does Obama “get it”. I don’t think so. I don’t think he is hostile to Israel or wants it to fail, but I think he believes that you can make peace with people who hate you and don’t have any geopolitical reason not to continue the hatred and the murder. The lessons of the Gaza withdrawal and the Sderot missile attacks are clear – these he doesn’t understand. Nor does he understand the Iranian threat. He’s like Roger Cohen of the Times who finds that submissive Jews are tolerated in Iran and, ergo, Iran is not such a bad place after all.
McCain got it. But he was excoriated for the most part by the more conservative wing of the Republican Party because of a perceived lack of true conservative values, bowed to this pressure and put up someone with as much “experience” as Obama for his VP instead of Romney, and, even with this handicap, could have taken it but for the economy. Romney gets it and is supported at CPAC. But will the conservative wing of the Republican Party support a Mormon? They didn’t in 2008. They will go for Palin and Obama will win again if they do.
Oh, and to Qazi (is the Q really an N?) – The difference between Rabbi Rosen and the Mullahs of Iran and the leaders of Hamas and Hezbullah and even Fatah, is that Rabbi Rosen is not directing the policy of a State or militia and does not have the support of the masses. In addition, Rabbit Rosen’s point does not appear to be that Jews should go out and kill Palestinian civilians while they are peacefully sitting in their cafes and pizza parlors; his point is that they hate the Jews (which they do) and support Hamas (which they do) and that in an all-out war to prevent continuing hostile attacks on Israel, Israel should depart from its “purity of arms” stature and give some terror back to those who are giving it to Israel. Israel doesn’t follow Rabbi Rosen’s recommendation. This is yet another example of morally relatavistic “balancing” in leftist arguments – i.e., “See – Israel has its crazies too, so they are just like Hamas – only not so heroic because they have more powerful weapons and allow their women to dress immodestly.” Remember, Hamas is in power and targets women and children as a principled policy decision; Israel decidedly does not – it increases the risks to the lives of its soldiers and citizenry by behaving more carefully than other parties engaged in all-out warfare.
“Until Islam is changed beyond recognition or the local Arabs are so thoroughly beaten they give up Jihad, two state is a joke, peace is a joke. Meanwhile, let’s all be nice and pretend there is something called the Mideast Peace Process.”
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Well stated, bear repeating.
Carter, Clinton, Bush and now Obama will be crushed on the rocks of the Roadmap to Peace.
Mr. Fenton:
I do not agree most Jews are libertarian. A true libertarain would NOT be attracted to the Democratic party where liberal dogma rules. Where is the tolerance, for example, if you want to be relgious or a gun owner?
You are missing the obvious; American Jews worship at the alter of liberal SECULARISM and they are doctrinaire, some would say fascist, even, in their lack of tolerance for opposing views.
I cannot agree Jews are not aware of Israel’s geography. I know people who send their children to Israel summers, have children in the IDF, who voted Obama because they have convinced themselves he will be good for Israel. To believe otherwise topples their universe because after worshipping secularism, their next belief is HATING REPUBLICANS. I have relatives, I don’t say this proudly, who would cut off an arm before pulling a lever for a Republican. It is entirely irrational.
These are people with law and other professional degrees. They are willfully blind.
Period.
Bravo Psychobarb, for your insight and wisdom.
Classic markus, blaming it all on the Jooooos. Those wishing to annihilate them never have to take responsibility for anything.
All religion is false. You people are nerds believing if fairytales. If the space god thing dose not work out for you all, maybe some dungeon and dragons is more your thing. LoL@Religion
The Palestinians already have three nations – Jordan, PA, and Gaza. That they have made of sewer of the latter two (PA, GAZA) is their own fault. That they have not made a sewer of the first (Jordan) is to the credit not of the Palestinians, but of the Hashemites.
” 15. Markus:
Marc — anything short of full sovereignty will be likened by the world to the black tribal “nations” that existed within South Africa.
Better idea is the status quo for now, with a possibility for future full sovereignty later.
Mar 2, 2009 – 11:31 am”
Really? Like the Arabs treatment of the Kurds among others? Kuwait and Saudi Arabia expelled over three hundred thousand Palestinians in 1992. If it is good enough for the Arabs to expel the Palestinians, the Israeli’s should do no less. Markus you have a problem with Israeli’s treating Arabs like Arabs treat Arabs? The world will do exactly what? There 21 Arab countries and over 50 Muslim States. There is no compelling need for another one of either.
I have often blogged about cowardly self-loathing Jews, I call them Liberals, who pretend to be tolerant and compassionate of others because they feel this will exempt them from hatred and attack. Sadly meekness does not prevent but instead invites attacks.
If Israel would stop fighting like pussies and instead treat their enemies like the Allies treated theirs during WWII there would be peace in the Middle East today.