A ‘National Day of Service’? Or a Political Hijacking of 9/11?
HR 1388 is, of course, the legislative tracking number for the Kennedy Serve America Act. The GIVE provisions authorize a “National Civilian Community Corps” that has been described as “a paramilitary force of volunteer brown shirts.” Plus, the homepage for the Hip Hop Caucus has posted an August 4 press release, “Obama Administration Officials Discuss Educating Communities On Emerging Opportunities in the Clean-Energy Economy”:
Members of President Obama’s Green Cabinet and the community engagement campaign, Green the Block, met in Washington today to discuss ways to ensure that opportunities from the new green economy are available to a broad cross section of the American people. In response to the president’s call to service through the United We Serve campaign, Green the Block also presented a birthday gift to President Obama in the form of a call to action for green community service projects in undeserved communities on September 11th, the National Day of Service and Remembrance.
One of those in attendance at the White House was none other than the “Reverend” Lennox Yearwood.
And note this: The chair of the Hip Hop Caucus Advisory Board is Representative Barbara Lee, who serves California’s 9th District (Oakland, Piedmont, and Berkeley, the most hard-line leftist congressional district in the United States). Ms. Lee currently chairs the Congressional Black Caucus, and she holds the notorious distinction of being the only member of Congress to vote against the Bush administration’s authorization of force following the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001. Thus, it’d be hard to find a better advocate to “desecrate 9/11 for political advantage and flush 9/11 down the memory hole” than Democratic Congresswoman Barbara Lee.
At this point we need to recall the connection between the Obama-Democrats’ push to flush 9/11 and the decade-long campaign of applauding the 2001 attacks by standard-bearers of America’s anti-American left.
In 2003, a week after the start of the U.S. campaign to topple Saddam Hussein in Baghdad, Columbia University’s Nicholas DeGenova called for “a million Mogadishus” on American troops. Eric Foner, a nationally-renowned history professor at Columbia, claimed to repudiate DeGenova’s remarks, but in an essay following the September 11 attacks in 2001, Foner wrote, “I’m not sure which is more frightening: the horror that engulfed New York City or the apocalyptic rhetoric emanating daily from the White House.” And recall the disgraced Ward Churchill of the University of Colorado, who one day after the September 11 attacks said “the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers” deserved to die.
In 2005, Debra Burlingame wrote of the radical left’s takeover of the World Trade Center Memorial that had been scheduled for construction at Ground Zero. Burlingame, whose brother was piloting American Airlines fight 77 on 9/11, argued that visitors to the World Trade Center Memorial Cultural Complex will “come to see 9/11 but will be given a high-tech, multimedia tutorial about man’s inhumanity to man, from Native American genocide to the lynchings and cross-burnings of the Jim Crow South, from the Third Reich’s Final Solution to the Soviet gulags and beyond.” Burlingame argued that the organizers getting the keys to the memorial were “the very same people who consider the post-9/11 provisions of the Patriot Act more dangerous than the terrorists that they were enacted to apprehend.”
When placed in this context, it’s easy to see why the official organizers of the Obama administration’s National Day of Service view September 11 as a “Republican” day. The attacks of 9/11 clarified for all to see the battle lines of contemporary ideological polarization in the United States. For a brief time following September 11, the nation was energized in a moment of national purpose and common resolve. Polls found unprecedented majorities in favor of bringing America’s enemies to justice.
But within a year of the carnage, the platform of the Democratic Party emerged in near-complete opposition to GOP policies seeking to keep the country safe. From the Iraq war, to Guantanamo, to warrantless wiretapping, today’s left evinces no seriousness on the question of American national security. And in the election of Barack Obama in 2008 — a man who for years attended Sunday sermons with a pastor exhorting “God damn America” — the Democrats are now on the verge of deleting the historical memory of the nearly 3,000 who died on that bright, sunny morning.
That’s not a noble national service. It’s a cold, calculating national disgrace.
“The Obama White House is behind a cynical, coldly calculated political effort to erase the meaning of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks from the American psyche and convert Sept. 11 into a day of leftist celebration and statist idolatry.”
And the smearing starts.
Th people-haters are at it again. Their derelict minds turning a noble effort into a caricature.
September 11, a National Day of Service
I am a welder with an education background in aerospace and in structural steel.
I’ve also done a lot of blacksmithing. I’ve also worked with shaped charges on Government armorplating projects and I know a bit about explosives. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth has a lot of information questioning the official story. While it’s very upsetting to contemplate this line of questions I don’t see that we are given any choice. The truth will set us free. I don’t really like this idea of 9/11 being made a “day of servitude”. Best Regards Jerry
What did you expect from people who live by Alynsky rules and Rahm Emanuel’s, “never let a good crisis go to waste”? Why would they see 9/11 as anything other than an opportunity to embed their propaganda into the society? What, you thought these people gave a damn about an attack on this country and a few thousand dead? Usurping 9/11 to make a National Socialist Workers day isn’t going to be enough for them, either.
Listen, the democrat idea of “keeping this country safe” is revealed in reactions to opposition at Town Hall meetings. They think the country is safe when everyone agrees with them or is too afraid to open their mouth. They’ll be blaming the next disaster they let happen on “White Christian Republicans” and passing overtly unconstitutional laws to regulate free speech and freedom of assembly. Let things simmer a bit longer, “you ain’t seen nohin’ yet”.
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Ahh yes ‘vivo’ but service to WHOM come on you can tell us its the Obamanation isn’t it you KNOW it is. This is all part of the Brown Shirt Army plan. Sig Heil! Sieg Heil! Seig Heil!
I would suggest that “the smearing started” a good long time ago with the Leftists, Antique Media and spineless, opportunist Democrats.
The hate dance of marionette-trolls orchestrated/inspired by their socialist puppet-masters is only becoming too visible (time to distract from the strings! Look at that shiny penny!).
Chilling when I recently visited NYC with my liberal sister. We were on Wall Street looking at her revered market-the one she lives and dies by-the one that she has made millions from. And she didn’t want to walk the 3 blocks to see Ground Zero. As if not to see it meant it didn’t exist. I was sickened.
“Their derelict minds turning a noble effort into a caricature.” is exactly what this administration is about. Not just 9/11 but the entire country.
They also planned their rally a day before the 9/12 tea party.
Vivo – I am a people-hater. I hate terrorists, communists, and fascists with a deep passion. I helped kill a bunch of nasty fascists in ’91 in Kuwait & Iraq. Very satisfying.
I will do my service on 9/11 by taking my kids and their friends to the rifle range for a period of instruction.
Sure, it’s a good idea. I can see the stage filled with Islamic terrorists and their supporters holding hands while singing, “We are the world, we are the children”.
Yep that about does it, and all the lefties can sway back and forth to the music while we watch reruns of the planes slamming into the World Trade Center and bodies falling from the sky.
Bleck!
When I was fifty years old, and one week arrived in Israel, I took the bus down-town with my wife to enjoy my birthday. We left the kids to play and enjoy the Absorption Center where we were living. We went down ben-Yehuda Street to a place that changed dollars to shekels and the fellow there asked if we were Americans when he saw the dollar bills in our hands. I answered “yes”.
He tried to explain to me in fractured English – he was going considerably beyond dealing with exchange rates in his effort – that a plane had crashed into a building. Finally, he came up with a term that I understood – t’umím – twins, and I understood what he was trying to convey. Not having heard the news at all that day, I told him he was crazy. I left him with my dollars and took my shekels off to the Ben-Yehuda Pizza Parlor at the top of the street for my birthday treat of pizza.
The pizza parlor had a huge poster of the Manhattan skyline, and it reminded me of my encounter a few minutes earlier at the money-changer. In my fractured Hebrew, I tried to explain that a man had told me that a plane had crashed into the Twin Towers in New York. The counterman said nothing, picked up the remote and turned on CNN. With the remote, he pointed at the TV voilà icí.
There it was – a plane sticking out of one of the tower buildings.
I don’t know if my jaw dropped – it must have.
In the mean-time, a crowd gathered in the pizza shop, watching the events on CNN, and by the way, ordering slices of pizza and beverages to drink.
And then another plane hit a second building.
I had worked across the street from the World Trade Center for a number of years, I had seen it go up – it was terribly bad architecture in my opinion. The Arabs of al-Qaeda did me a favor on my birthday of removing such ugly architecture from the skyline of my home city. I only regret that so many died in the process. They could have done the urban renewal at night to save lives.
Of course, urban renewal was not their goal – terror and murder was. And it is no surprise to me that a man who is regarded as a Moslem in the Arab world wants to remove the stink of that terror and evil from the event.
This awful event is the signature mark of the murderers of the Wahhabi heretics who bring such an awful stink to Islam as to make it vomitous to those who do not understand that the Wahhabi are heretics – fakers pretending to be the real thing. So for the son of a Moslem, Barak Hussein Obama, a man with little real understanding of the faith of his own father, to wish to erase that stink is only normal. He is betraying America – but in his ignorance, he is being true to himself.
Obama is as lousy a Moslem as he is lousy a Christian.
We Must Never Forget!
I will continue to observe 9/11 the same way I have since 2002. If unable to attend a public memorial service, I will go to my own little town’s 9/11 Memorial (the town where I currently reside lost 3 citizens on that day), where I will add the picture of my HS friend, FDNY Firefighter and USA-Nat Guard Captain Michael D. Mullan and, at the time of the first plane hitting the WTC, conduct my own memorial service. Whether anyone else joins me or not is not my concern. It is my way of remembering those who were lost, and what we as a country lost that day.
Mr Douglas:
“When placed in this context, it’s easy to see why the official organizers of the Obama administration’s National Day of Service view September 11 as a “Republican” day. The attacks of 9/11 clarified for all to see the battle lines of contemporary ideological polarization in the United States.”
You neglect to mention that for the Statist mindset, 9/11 is a stark lesson that all branches of government failed to protect their citizens in the air, and that it was the citizen militia heroes of United Airlines Flight 93 that instead saved a Federal target in Washington from destruction.
Now the government is co-opting 9/11 for its own glory, and this eventually will mean that September 11th will one day mean nothing more than another sales day…just like all the other Federal holidays.
Brother “Old Soldiers” has the right idea, but might I also suggest spending some time in your church or temple on that day, THEN going to the range and exercising the civil right that was denied our fellow Americans by their own government on those aircraft?
Hey vivo, I was down there that morning on 911. Where you?
Listen to me, It is YOU that degrade and smear, you ARE A DEMOCRAT, THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.
You should be ashamed of your party for this nonsense. But you are not. You are the lowest sort.
I would wager if your parents saw what you were really up too they would feel great shame.
2012
Yes, killing 3,000 people was a shame and toppling buildings was also a big loss. But what people remember is the fear of bringing a war to our neighborhoods. Wars are supposed to be fought offshore . . .
To heal that fear, a national day of service would help. We need to show our enemies our strengths not our weaknesses.
National Day Of Service – what else should we expect from a president that delivered such a pandering Ramadan message, while failing to acknowledge Christian and Jewish holidays. Let’s bury the meaning of 9/11 as quickly as possible as it conflicts with his Islam sympathizing, multi-cultural agenda.
It’s a hydra. Chop off an ACORN or SEIU, and they sprout thousands more with your tax dollars, and no one complains.
Where were you all when the country club Republicans put up Bozo MacCain?
When exposés on =:obama’s radical past and Weather Underground Politburo friends got smothered by the MSM?
Reap the whirlwind. Go Galt.
The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise.
Obama is nothing but trash, as are most of his associates.
“Political hijacking of 9/11″ . . . Where have I heard that before? . . . It sounds so . . . familiar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPk4jUfVbpw&feature=PlayList&p=DE598F746DDBCF8E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=33
All I got out of this article was a bunch of unproven conjectures and a weak attempt to tie the Democratic party to guys like Ward Churchill who was condemned by people from across the political spectrum. It’s worth pointing out that Jerry Falwell got on TV on 9/14/01 and blamed gays, feminists, pagans and the ACLU. I’m pretty sure him and his followers were Republican voters but it’s not really fair to tar you all with the same brush is it? There are dumb***es on each side of the spectrum.
My impression is that Obama is trying to ignite the same kind of call to service that Kennedy did in his first inaugural address. I think we can all agree that this would be a better country if more people volunteered in their community, so it’s a worthwhile goal to encourage that sort of thing. If you find 9/11 to be an objectionable day then that’s regrettable. What I remember most from that day was feeling connected to my country in a way I’d never felt before. Reasonable people can disagree about whether 9/12 might have been a better choice but there really is no grand conspiracy at work here.
9-11 is not a day of National Service. It’s a day of National Mourning as we remember those who lost their lives on 9-11-01. To make it anything else is despicable. This news saddens me beyond words if it is true.
The Democrats can call 9/11 Obama’s Big Ear Day for all I care. They can truly sink no lower than they already have. In my mind (and everyone else with any sense of dignity and honor), 9/11 will always be remember for what it is. A day when we were attacked, when true heroes were revealed and a day when America found her patriotic soul once again.
Obama is so busy debasing the USA, he won’t notice when we honor 9/11′s true meaning without him. I’m sure it’ll be cocktail night at the White House with Stevie Wonder or Beyonce anyway.
“The act … more than triples the number of government sponsored volunteer opportunities” (emphasis added)
Um, if you’re being paid to volunteer, then isn’t it really a job? The thing about volunteering is that people do what what they think is important. What this dude is really talking about is the government getting people to do what it thinks is important by paying them and giving their egos a BJ by telling them how they are selflessly volunteering in a noble cause.
The true victory of double-speak is when the speaker doesn’t even recognize it as such.
Vivo -
Yes, you’re right. 9/11 is about fear. I worked two blocks away from the towers, and had to walk home. I had co-workers terrified they wouldn’t be able to get home to their children. Everyone was afraid.
America is very lucky – since the Civil war, we haven’t had many major wars or battles or attacks on our soil, especially mainland soil. And maybe we got lazy, and sloppy, pretending that our enemies couldn’t really hurt us. 9/11 taught us what most nations on earth knew – we were wrong. Violence and terrorism are real, dangerous, and good people die. And I’d like to think that at least mentally, we are better prepared than we were on 9/10/01.
So if you don’t mind, I’ll continue to think that the way to spend 9/11 in better service to your country than a day of volunteering, is to spend it remembering:
that at the blink of an eye, it can be taken away;
that there are people out there who don’t know me, but would kill me if it serves their point or cause; and
that I am one of the luckiest people on the face of the planet – I was born free, and can live free because for all of their racism, sexism, homophobia and other sins, and all of their faults, generations of men have been willing to die to give me that chance; and
that one day, I may be called on to do the same, and can only pray that I find the courage to do so.
Yes, I am afraid of terrorists. I am afraid of losing American tolerance. I am afaid of many things. Being afraid isn’t a bad thing – it means you have something to lose.
#23 Submandave
I could be wrong but I think the idea is you supply the labor and the government supplies the resources. Yep, just checked and I was right. But really isn’t that the most logical way to interpret “government sponsored volunteer opportunities”? You really have to want it to be something bad to jump to any other conclusion. You really really have to want it to be something bad to jump to that conclusion and not take 10 seconds to google it, right?
the democrat party is a criminal organisation
23. submandave:
yes …good point. it isn’t volunteerism if you are paid. the piece also stated that the number of “volunteer” organisations that are funded by the government grew immensely.
do you remember volunteering your taxes to this? ..and you know it is just buying democrat votes.
it trully is amazing that so many americans still reject the liberal advance. the liberal/socialists have been throwing tax dollars at everything liberal …indoctrinating their children in liberal crap and yet still are struggling to get a majority behind them.
THAT IS VERY TELLING. unfortunately the conservatives will not fight back hard enough to reverse many of the policies that have already been enacted.
Well, after Betsey McCaughey managed to twist a very benign, Republican-sponsored clause in the health care bill into a ludicrous accusation about euthanasia and death panels, nothing should surprise me. But the ability of the right to turn everything and ANYTHING into evidence of some evil conspiracy still boggles my mind. Obama could make a speech praising motherhood and apple pie and the right-wing smear machine would find a way to call it evidence of commie-fascist-socialist-vegetarian-whatever.
Is a day of public service somehow a bad way to honor the memory of the NYFD firefighters who risked, and in many cases lost, their lives trying to save others? (Government employees, by the way!) Or the thousands of volunteers, including my uncle who was in his late 70′s at the time, who immediately went to work on the “pile” helping to hunt for survivors, before the professionals came in? It was an enormous risk to their own health and safety, and my uncle suffered from a painful cough for a year later, but he thought it was what he had to do.
Look, what this is all about is trade-mark infringement. The Republicans have used 9/11 in the most cynical imaginable manner for eight years as a tool to gain partisan advantage, and now that there will be a Democrat in the White House on the upcoming anniversary, you’re in a rage that you no longer completely own the event. Where is Joseph Welch when we need him, the Republican attorney who asked Joe McCarthy “Have you, sir, at long last, no sense of decency?”
T-Rex, so, you’re saying that, unless we go along with the whole day-of-service way of “celebrating” 9/11 (because if we make it all about service, aren’t we making it a cause for celebration? After all, “service” is supposed to be a good thing. And isn’t that kind’ve disparaging the work of people like your uncle, who supposedly helped survivors? Does HE think 9/11 is something to celebrate?) that we’re somehow lacking in “decency”—also, that 9/11 is some sort of product, requiring a trade mark, and eeeeevil right wingers are trying to steal it?
So, basically, unless we just shut up, and go along with Obama, and “service”, we’re lacking in “decency?”
Gotcha!
(If Obama wants a day of service, why not just pick some random day? May 12th, August 15th, my great-aunt Heddy’s birthday, whatever? Or why doesn’t he choose a less controversial holiday, like Groundhog’s Day, or Earth Day? Why does he need to put it on 9/11, a day of infamy—which was NOT about service, but about innocent Americans being murdered? Wouldn’t Earth Day be a more appropriate holiday to attach to service? Or, if service is really so swell, give it it’s own holiday.)
Vivo: you have really crossed a line of indecent here. I had though that you were just a misguided and not very bright young person, but in time you would come around. Now I see that you deeply mired in immorality and indecency. You are wallowing in deep evil here with your reflexive support this. You should be ashamed of yourself.
And stop confusing fear with respect for the nation and the dead. Touchy-feely left wing euphemisms will not do. And you would understand that if you had one shred of love for your country.
Do you ever not just repeat what these treasonous leftist tell you? Do you think about what you regurgitate for een one second? Shame on you.
What shall we do, rename Veteran’s Day, Have a “Love the Japanese Day” on Dec. the 7th?
Your country was brutally attack on 911. You should be outraged and remain outraged all of your life. You should never want to forget. You should have contempt for people that want to trivialize or in any way dilute or obscure that assault against our nation.
How foul. You need to sit down and do some soul searching. You narcissism, vanity and obtuseness is leading you into some foul places. You are dead wrong. You need to admit it.
The White House pulls a crass political move that damages the non-partisan spirit of remembrance on September 11.
After eight years of Republican political manipulation of 9-11…I’ll say one thing for you people, your faith in the stupidity and gullibility of your readers knows no bounds.
Now why don’t he make his volunteer day the same as Martin Luther King Jr. holiday? I think that is more congruent with stated intentions, but then, I’ve never believed anything this clan says.
And, T-Rex, I seriously doubt that volunteers like your uncle, or the NYPD firefighters, are going to be remembered on “Service Day 9/11″; they’ll get a little token admiration, and then it’s all going to be sign up for ACORN, or some other, politically correct organization. We’re going to hear about some Greenpeace activist somewhere, saving the furbish newtwart, or Cyndi McGoogleheimer, who helps people on welfare sign up for even more government benefits. Woot.
I also suspect that a lot of 9/11 heroes wouldn’t be comfortable with turning that terrible day into some sort of jolly, “Let’s all celebrate SERVICE!” pseudo-celebration. There’s nothing to celebrate about 9/11. What’s its theme song going to be? The “Happy-Happy Joy-Joy” from “Ren & Stimpy”? Gee, why don’t we make that the theme song for all our solemn memorials? Pearl Harbor, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and give them all a happy-sappy theme, so everyone can feel good about them, and those mean ol’ Republicans won’t steal their “trademarks”? Memorial Day can be “Love Mother Earth Day”, Veterans Day can be “Clean up the Streets, Day” and December 7th can become, “Japanese Anime Appreciation Day.”
Then everyone can be happy, and we won’t have to think about nasty stuff like war, or those who died at Pearl Harbor, or the 3,000 who were murdered on 9/11.
(A day for honoring the volunteer heroes of 9/11 might not be a bad idea—but if should be just for them, alone, and it should not be on 9/11 itself.)
It takes a special chutzpah that can only be dispensed by Satan for the left to cause the Soviet gulags, and then use them as a propaganda prop for their cynical purposes. Their evil knows no bounds.
Let’s apply the Law of Unintended Consequences to the concept, however well intended, of a “National Day of Service.”
Why just one? Why not make it MANDATORY (as my former college administrator bosses would put it)? And since Obama has “promised” not to raise taxes on the majority of the citzenry, why not require their service instead of additional tax money?
A “National Day of Service” becomes a “National Day of Servitude,” and the worlds predicted in 1912 by Hilaire Belloc in “The Servile State” and in 1944 by Friedrich August von Hayek in “The Road to Serfdom” come that much closer to reality.
#32, that is an excellent idea! Make Service Day Martin Luther King’s birthday! Or Earth Day! Or the anniversary of Woodstock! After all, what’s wrong with honoring volunteers on these particular dates? If they object, it must just be because they don’t like service, or volunteers, or aren’t willing to give up the “trademark” for these dates. (Sigh) Have they no shame?
I recommend this as the theme song for the new happy-happy service-jo 9/11! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DC-pIvNODU
#34 Daniel MacGregor
I think you’ve got the Law of Unintended Consequences confused with the Slippery Slope Fallacy there.
And note this: The chair of the Hip Hop Caucus Advisory Board is Representative Barbara Lee, who serves California’s 9th District (Oakland, Piedmont, and Berkeley, the most hard-line leftist congressional district in the United States). Ms. Lee currently chairs the Congressional Black Caucus, and she holds the notorious distinction of being the only member of Congress to vote against the Bush administration’s authorization of force following the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001.
Oh yeah, because attacking Iraq and Afghanistan were incredibly wise things to do. It balanced our budget, it made sure that 5 thousand young men and women lived happily productive lives, and that thousands of others held on to their limbs, it brought peace and prosperity to those countries and removed the corruption and drug dealing associated with those regions. Yeah, that Barbara Lee, what a kook.
Betty Blue, you haven’t “got” anything except a talent for willful misinterpretation. No, I don’t think that 9/11 is a trademarked piece of private property. It’s the Republican party that has been treating it as such and using it that way to justify everything from the invasion of an uninvolved country to torture to spying on citizens. And now it’s the Republicans, or at least the sort of right-fringe conspiracy theorists who are so busy on this site, who are purple with rage at the thought of a Democratic President doing anything to observe the event.
Honoring the spirit of public service is not going to “force” anyone to volunteer for anything. So if you think that soup kitchens are a commie plot to keep poor people from starving in the streets, don’t volunteer at a soup kitchen. If you think that uninsured people deserve to die of preventable diseases, don’t volunteer for a public health clinic.
Let’s pretend for a second that a Republican had proposed this idea. Seriously now, pretend there’s no hidden socialist agenda at work. What is wrong with a national day of service on 9/11? True, it is the anniversary of a terrible attack against our nation but it’s also the anniversary of the day an entire generation was called to serve that nation. More than the horror and death of that day I remember firefighters and policemen running into a building that was clearly doomed trying to save as many as they could. Surely, that’s an idea that’s as worthy of commemoration as the attacks themselves and what better way to remember their service to their nation and community than by volunteering yourself?
Uh, T-Rex, speaking of willful misinterpretation. . .
Where do I say I want uninsured people to die? As for soup kitchens, I volunteer to work in one, monthly. I don’t think it’s a “Commie plot” (unless they’re masters of deception, which I don’t think they are.) You’re using the good ol’ straw-man argument, here.
Also, with the fuming that Republicans don’t want a Democratic president honoring 9/11—another straw man. Those who object to this are afraid that, by changing the nature of the holiday, he’ll be dishonoring 9/11.
And you were the one who first called 9/11 a tradmark, as if the date pertained not to an historical event, but was some sort of product the eeeeevil Republicans were trying to steal. . .
ZerO, sadly, the deaths of 3,000 Americans are nothing to celebrate. One can celebrate those who tried to rescue them, yes; as I said earlier, I think a day (not 9/11 itself) should be set aside to honor them, particularly.
However, making 9/11 itself a “celebration”, even of noble things like “service”, or “volunteers”, seems disrespectful to those who were killed (there’s nothing to celebrate about their deaths), and ignoring the serious aspects of that day.
If we really need one more holiday celebrating volunteers (we’ve already got a lot) I say we make it Ceasar Chavez day, in March!
This is a way (very shamefull and callus) to erase our memories for being attacked on 9/11 and of the premediated murder of our citizens and our responce personnel (NY police, fire, and ems personnel). We are waging a war on terrorism and the sacrifices of our veterans and the victums should not be forgotten. The progressives should not be allowed to rewrite hostory.
And, if a Republican had suggested this, I’d still think it was a bad idea.
National Day of Service. I can’t think of a better way to commemorate 9/11. Why would conservatives have such a problem with that? Wait, it’s coming to me. Something about deferments. Lots of them. Five maybe. And butt cysts that kept radio personalities out of the military. And the Alabama National Guard. Yeah, I’m sure there’s a connection there somewhere. Some deep-rooted aversion to service. Some deficit of courage. Much more fun to use guns to shoot old men in the face. Yes, much safer. Less risk. Less TO DO. More time to TALK about service.
It’s not enough to remember and mourn those souls who lost their lives on that terrible day.
No not enough.
Bullsh!t! It’s enough. Leave it alone lefties!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU
Mourning is a sign of strength.
Oh Lord, break out the giant rolls of tinfoil. Vadum needs more.
Lynn, sadly, I suspect many don’t even go so far as to remember, mourn, or even spare a passing thought for those who died on 9/11. Mourning and remembrance should be enough for that day, but many aren’t even going to do that.
And turning 9/11 into a feel goodly, happy-joy/joy “Service” day will just hasten what happened into the memory hole.
(And mourning is a sign of strength.)
Seriously, if we really need another day to celebrate volunteering (we already have a lot—check Google!) why not Caesar Chavez Day, or MLK Day?
Betty Blue
However, making 9/11 itself a “celebration”, even of noble things like “service”, or “volunteers”, seems disrespectful to those who were killed (there’s nothing to celebrate about their deaths), and ignoring the serious aspects of that day.
I lived in New York for six years from 1994 to 2000 and I don’t think so. I still have lots of friends who live there they don’t think so. You don’t have ownership over this incident, nor do you have the right to impose your own version of commemoration on the rest of us. Its quite obvious that its you people constantly politicizing Nine Eleven, you did it for eight years, and it disgusted the rest of us. Now, your time is up, so please shut up.
I had to work hard to keep from spitting coffee all over my screen when I read this guy accusing Obama of using 9/11 for political purposes. Bush and Cheney spent their whole administration using it for political purposes. In the latest evidence of this we find that Bush pushed to get the terror level raised before the election.
Yeah, conservatives are afraid of a day of service. Wouldn’t want to help those less fortunate, would you?
Moho and the rest should follow his/their own advise and SHUT UP!
Yes, a moment of silence for those souls who lost their lives on that day would be something the lefties would find impossible to do. They would rather the rest of us shut up and go along, move along, get over it, forget about it, nothing to see, nothing to hear, nothing to remember.
It’s all about meeeeee! Let’s celebrate meeeee! Look how good I am! Look how I help people! Meeee! Yea! Celebrate!
If people were more like meeee! 9-ll wouldn’t have happened!
We! Turn that W upside down and it’s back to MEEEEEEEE! Yea! Pass out the sweets.
#42 BettyBlue
To be clear, you’re the one who said “celebrate” not me, I said commemorate. But if you really feel that the best day to remember those who risked and gave their lives to save others on 9/11 is not, in fact 9/11, then we really don’t have enough common ground for a discussion.
The real point of what I’m saying is this: To a lot of people a national day of service on 9/11 sounds like a good idea. We’re not trying to destroy the republic with our nefarious plots, we’re fellow Americans who happen to disagree with you about whether our nation is better served by a somber day of mourning or a more hopeful commitment to serving our country. You don’t have to agree but the rhetoric about satanic plots and terrorist sympathizers is just insane.
Surely there will be a commie czar appointed for this whack crappola crusade wrapped in a riddle. No?
10. Peter the Bubblehead
My way of observing 9/11 is to go to Disneyland, one of the targets of the planned but un-executed attacks. The terrorists won’t keep me indoors or stop me from enjoying the exuberance of American society or the worldwide popularity of American culture. Disney has a very nice flag retreat ceremony on 9/11 that manages to honor the sadness of the occasion in the Happiest Place on Earth.
Only a Day of Remembrance is acceptable. We should be showing television programs all that week about what happened and what the despicable terrorists did and are doing. We should have a week of education in schools about the effects of allowing Muslim terrorism to grow unfettered and the consequences of appeasement. We should hold an event every year that remembers the fallen and until we defeat radical Islam, the enemy. After we defeat them we should never mention their name again and allow history to forget them forever.
Finally, I heartily agree with the above poster, we should take our children to a shooting range and teach them not to be victims.
Historical days are important. It might be we got 9/11, because we forgot this 9/12: http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/EastEurope/ViennaSiege.html
“The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’”
– Jerry Falwell, evangelical Republican dip****, regarding the 9/11 attacks.
Yeah, so who was politicizing what now?
Morons.
We, as a nation, just like we, as individuals, need a day (such as 9/11) to grieve, soul-search, and remember those thing that had such an impact on our lives. There are many other days available in the year to devote to outside volunteering and service. I see this act by the administration as nothing more than promoting busywork to keep our minds off the events of 9/11 thereby preventing us from doing any soul-searching (read THINKING) which, as we all know, promotes independent though and actions which might undermine the plans of this current administration to make us fall into line behind the liberal socialist agenda. It’s similar to the tactic we used to keep the kindergartners in our care in line: Keep ‘em busy so they don’t have a chance to do anything but what we want them to do!
But we are not children. We are adults who have, as Americans, the Constitutional Right to control our destiny. It is not only our right, it is our privilege AND our responsibility to do so.
There are some who will say that we who are opposed to acts like this are merely splitting hairs; being over-sensitive to the left’s perceived agenda. There are some that will say that most people don’t do the soul-searching and remembering thing on 9/11 anyway, so why make a big deal? I submit to you that it is a big deal. And unless we who remember continue to treat it as a big deal future generations will never know and are doomed to repeat our mistakes and relearn the hard lessons because we didn’t think it necessary to tell them.
Sure, let’s talk about how 9/11 has been hijacked, but it has been hijacked by politicians long before Obama and special interest groups since before the rubble was cleared from the WTC site.
The original political hijacking of 9/11 was by Pataki, the republican governor from New York at the time, who was determined to use the rebuilding of the WTC site to help his presidential election bid. You wonder why “ground zero” is still a hole in the ground nearly 10 years after the attacks? Pataki almost single-handedly botched the rebuilding effort: he created a useless government bureaucracy, the LMDC, to oversee the disbursement of rebuilding funds and help small businesses recover. Instead, the LMDC political hacks rebuilt their own bank accounts and gave money to pet projects having NOTHING to do with ground zero. Most Americans wanted to see the Twin Towers rebuilt, but were essentially disenfranchised by this process which catered to victims’ families pressure groups that wanted the whole site to be a memorial, and those who wanted a memorial in conjunction with rebuilt towers were derided as anti-memorial and greedy materialists who hated the victims and spit on their graves.
The LMDC then held an architectural competition, and after allegedly getting a large campaign contribution from a political supporter, he over-ruled the LMDC choice to impose a site plan of the donor’s favored architect (who never designed anything over 5 stories), which few people in NYC (or America)were thrilled about. It was Pataki who coined the term Freedom Tower for a monstrosity that was originally designed as a 70-story building with a 60-story greenhouse and offset spire that was essentially unbuildable.
For more info, see http://www.twintowersalliance.com/
As a finishing touch, Pataki decreed that nothing will be built where the Towers stood, so we are now stuck with 2-acre “voids” on the site with cascading waterfalls as the memorial. And all artifacts of 9/11 will be underground, and the names listed in random order so you have no idea of the age and location of those who were killed. And then there was the Freedom Museum, showing how poverty causes terrorism and documenting American horrors against blacks and American Indians, which was thankfully killed by the efforts of Debra Burlingame. If you think this memorial is bad, you should see the Flight 93 Memorial, the “Crescent of Embrace” with crystal markers for ALL aboard that flight, including the hijackers (http://michellemalkin.com/2005/09/10/flight-93-memorial-seeing-is-believing/).
So let’s rename 9/11 as “political machinations day” and “genuflection before Islam day” seeing how we rebuilt and memorialized after 9/11.
I guess it’s a safe bet that on 9/11 the Obama-media complex won’t be showing the attack on the Twin Towers, the faces of the terrorists, the quotes from Osama. After all, the real way to remember the attack on America is to show some brainwashed idiots showeling dirt, happy children, union bosses smiling at the public and the government officials calling for more sacrifice from the nation.
Mike J,
Jerry Falwell was politicizing it, that’s who. As you point out, Obama is comparable to right-wing nutjobs.
58. Mike J.:
Jerry Falwell, evangelical Republican dip****, regarding the 9/11 attacks.
Yeah, so who was politicizing what now?
THIS IS A PRICELESS EXAMPLE OF TROLL SPEAK. EQUATING JERRY FALWELLS REMARKS AS HAVING THE SAME STANDING AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA. …this is why it is pointless to engage them in discussions.
I believe 9/11 should remain a day of remembrance, for those who died on that day. Any volunteer, who perished trying to help others, should be remembered along with the rest of the victims. Those who survived, can be honored on another day—rather like Memorial Day for soldiers who died, Veterans Day, to honor our veterans, who lived to come home.
And, yes, if it becomes a day honoring “Volunteerism”, then, yes, it’s going to become a celebration. A celebration of the volunteer spirit—a good thing in itself, but inappropriate on this day. How can it help but be otherwise? I can already see the chirpy, feel-goodly articles they’re going to write on this day; “Mrs. Betty Veeblefetzer remembers 9/11 by working hard at a local pet rescue shelter! Lori McGillicuddy picks up trash on 9/11! Bud Whackamole works to design green environments, as a way of expressing his grief after 9/11. . . ” blahblahblahblah.
There may be a few grouchy voices; a 9/11 survivor might grouse that he doesn’t feel particularly like “giving back to the community” on this day, or a family member might ask what volunteering has to do with their murdered loved one. . . but all will be buried under the avalanche of sweetness and joy-joy, as volunteers show they aren’t somber, but they have HOPE!
In short, we’re being urged to forget what actually happened that day. If we don’t want to, then we’re just being mean old Crabby-Appletons, who hate volunteering and poor people. Talk about your stereotyping!
The real point of what I’m saying is: To a lot of people, turning 9/11 into a day of community service sounds like a bad idea. We’re not trying to destroy volunteerism, or even poor people. We just happen to believe that 9/11 should remain a somber day of mourning. I personally believe, as per my link in Post #57, that forgetting the actual events of historical dates in dangerous for our culture. “Those who will not learn from the past. . . ” etc., etc., etc. Do I think making 9/11 a day of comunity service is a Satanic plot? No. Are there terrorist sympathizers on the Left? Well, yes, as witness Ward Churchill and his “Little Eichmans” crack (a crack that would, of course, encompass all the 9/11 volunteers who were killed, as well as the others; and Ward doesn’t operate in a vacuum.)
Are there a lot of people who find it just too frightening, difficult and annoying to actually think about Jihad and terrorism, who would rather just sink back into 9/10 thinking, forget the whole thing and pretend they’re really being hopeful, when actually they’re just putting on blinders? Sadly, I believe there are a lot of those.
#61, Hyphenated American, I’m afraid that’s exactly what it’s going to be: people planting trees, digging in the dirt, happy children picking up trash, happy old ladies talking about how they rescue dogs and cats, or want to heal the planet, or halt global warming. . . all busywork, as another poster pointed out, intended to simultaneously distract us, while making us think we’re actually accomplishing something.
Johnny Appleseed, well, I guess that means he disapproves of Ward Churchill’s vile remarks about “Little Eichmans” and “chickens coming home to roost” too, because that was also politicizing 9/11—right?
/Sarc. Of course.
41. Zer0 wrote:
What is wrong with a national day of service on 9/11?
Peter writes: Because it has been and should remain a day of REMEMBERANCE. Thousands of our innocent fellow citizens were murdred by cowardly representatives of a perverted form of religion, and we should ALL remember why they died so we can be sure of what we need to fight against to make sure nothing like it ever happens again.
BettyBlue
/Sarc. Of course.
yes but the trolls wont get it. obvious
It’s easy to do a way with this dispicable nonesense.
Simply Ignore it.
We all know the left weenies have no ambition other than politics and running their mouths. How many of them do you think will actually show up for any kind of service to their country or fellow man? The whole idea is laughable.
This, in a word, stinks.
You’ll never, repeat never, hear me refer to 9-11 as the National Day of Service and Remembrance.
And I never did understand why we taxpayers have to pay billions to promote “volunteerism.”
Those on the left simply do not care, that is why they do not mind changing it. It means nothing to them. Do you think they remember those that died on Memorial or Veterans Day? They don’t care and they know nothing of service. They typically ‘volunteer’ to get paid. Their ‘selfless’ acts are really selfish because it allows them to have a sense of moral superiority.
A national day of service would be just as superficial as Valentine’s Day. We pay taxes to cover the cost of doing business and defending our country,we don’t pay them to support community activism pet projects.
59. Peggy wrote:
And unless we who remember continue to treat it as a big deal future generations will never know and are doomed to repeat our mistakes and relearn the hard lessons because we didn’t think it necessary to tell them.
Peter writes: I was raised in a family with a big military connection (father and five uncles who all served in WWII), and history and rememberance were something taught to me my entire life. As far back as I can remember, I attended Memorial Day services with my father and his First Marine Division Association at Long Island’s Eisenhower Park. And I have tried to pass on this knowledge and tradition to my own daughter.
Every year, after the first week of December, I ask her if any of her teachers even mentioned Pearl Harbor Day. Every year I get the same answer; No.
How long before the kids in school will no longer hear anything about September 11th? I fear that day is not too long down the road.
Zero – (20)
“Reasonable people can disagree about whether 9/12 might have been a better choice but there really is no grand conspiracy at work here.”
Right. Obama visits Saudi and bows below his own waist to kiss the King’s robes. As September approaches, Obama creates National Socialist Volunteer Kiddies Labor Day to be celebrated on 9-11 and on the site of the 9-11 WTC attack carried out by primarily Saudi nationals. But, nothing smells like fish it’s just a big, “oops”.
No one falls for standard lines like, “reasonable people can disagree”, any more. Once you folks put your plan to off grandma in writing and called it, “end of life counseling”, we figured out that you’re probably con men and liars as well as murderous eugenics proponents.
Zero – (53)
“You don’t have to agree but the rhetoric about satanic plots and terrorist sympathizers is just insane.”
Shame on you for not accepting diverse opinion based on others heartfelt belief in the higher being of their choice. You should take the time to learn something now and then.
“There is none amongst you with whom is not a legion from amongst the Jinn.” So says the prophet of Islam to Muslims. Elsewhere he makes clear that these Jinn (devils) always and constantly inhabit followers of Islam, and that the Jinn can take them over to commit evil any time.
Now, please state for the record that you think the prophet of Islam is insane or else apologize to BettyBlue.
Christians may err on the side of thinking the limits of evil are such that mere mortals cannot commit some evil and therefore suspect demon or satanic activity. Muslims ascribe huge swaths of life to demon activity, and will kill you if you don’t like that idea because not agreeing with it is calling their prophet a liar.
Or, did you already know that but just enjoy berating Christians who you know won’t hunt you down and behead you?
Have a day, reasonable people can disagree on whether you should have a nice one or not
I know, Johnny, that’s why I thought I had to put that in.
“…the test should be so simple: just listen to any [president] and if you hear him speak of sacrifice- run. Run faster than from the plaque. It stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting [the] offerings…. Where’s there’s service, there’s someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master.” from “The Fountainhead” by Ayn Rand, 1943. Prophetic, ain’t it?
“Once you folks put your plan to off grandma in writing and called it, “end of life counseling”, we figured out that you’re probably con men and liars as well as murderous eugenics proponents.”
Well, at least we know now that you’re a dining room table.
Yes, BettyBlue, up until now, I never thought i’d live to see a dumber treatise on 9-11 than the one Churchill wrote. But having read this article and your comments, I’m scrambling to reassess my beliefs.
Last year President Bush made almost the same appeal for volunteer service in commemoration of 9/11:
http://www.nationalservice.gov/about/newsroom/releases_detail.asp?tbl_pr_id=1132
Why is the fact that President Obama’ is seeking continuity with President Bush’s policy viewed by so many here as an act of treachery?
Bush and Cheney wielded 9/11 like a club, scaring the pants off of old people all across the country, artificially raising the threat level right before an election. Talk about chickens**t tactics.
Obama wants to turn 9/11 into something positive, encouraging all Americans to remember the sacrifice those guys from the NYFD made by doing the same and helping others. Which is more noble?
The right-wing has nothing but fear-mongering as a weapon against the “leftist idea” that all men are created equal. You netcons should be scared. You’re a dying breed and, considering your mentality, most of you are probably on welfare as well.
Obama is a thousand times the man GW Bush was.
Bush didn’t get much support for it, and his appeal didn’t change the basic nature of 9/11.
Looks like Obama’s going to change the whole thing.
(And I didn’t agree with Bush when he tried it, either; nor did I agree with him that the best way to fight terrorism is to go shopping.)
And, yes, Sukie Tawdry, that is a good point; if something really is “volunteer”, doesn’t that mean it is being paid?
Santayana is your friend.
This usurpation of a national day of mourning is a question of propriety and decency. We have already been made more than painfully aware that two of our three branches of government respect neither. To say nothing of the mindless lemmings – like vivo – who support them.
This rather blatant disrespect should set a few bells ringing. Aside from the obvious motivation of theft through illicit taxation, it becomes clearer every day why the socialists in world government cling to the thoroughly debunked global warming scam as though it’s established fact.
If you’re looking for the target the socialists will use – this time – to unleash obedient hoards in violent support of their agenda, this issue points to the likely culprit.
The Sturmabteilung of the National Socialist party in Germany targeted Jews and communists.
The Bolsheviks targeted the czars and later the kulaks.
Mussolini’s Squadristi targeted any faction that resisted his implementation of national socialism (a/k/a fascism).
The Reign of Terror targeted the bourgeoisie and subjectively defined “enemies of the State”.
Che targeted the Batista Loyalists.
The list goes on.
In every case, the socialists incited gangs of thugs to commit violence and murder against specifically demonized segments of the population, gaining support from anyone with a similarly irrational axe to grind while at the same time intimidating those who disagreed with the regime’s policies.
Remember those two guys in the black leather, intimidating voters last year? You know, the ones whose criminal acts AG Holder has blessed in a calculated and opaque act of misfeasance? Remember the SEIU thugs who beat Ken Gladney to a pulp for handing out flags?
These are probes. The intent is to see how outrageous the socialist’s thugs’ behavior can get before BHO’s entrenched, lying, Fifth Column media shills are forced to cover the story in any significant way.
You can expect to see these people again soon, cracking down on anything the feds decide to demonize in the context of the global warming scam or any other “crisis” they can manufacture.
And by ‘cracking down’, I don’t mean in the metaphorical sense.
a day of volunteer work??…I think this is merely a way for Obama, in time, wipe out what really happened on sept 11. it was a tragedy, not a day of celebration…
Perhaps obama has in mind that in a 50+ years form now it will be a day off work to go out boating, havin a good time with the family…not a day of remembering the deaths caused by the middle east on American soil.
We also need to REMEMBER WHO committed this crime against America.
During Obama’s FIRST 6 MONTHS in office, all he’s done is try to dismantle America by way of a socialisty agenda.
#73 Rashputin
Sigh.
“we figured out that you’re probably con men and liars as well as murderous eugenics proponents. ”
Here’s the thing though. I’m not a murderous eugenics proponent, I can’t speak for everyone but I’m pretty sure the President of the United States isn’t either. But you probably already know that though, the problem is that you’ve bought into the whole “culture war” mindset. It’s not enough for people like you to intellectually disagree with the other side, it’s actually a requirement for the other side to be bad people too. Feeling that you’re right isn’t enough, you have to feel victimized and offended as well. Frankly, it’s pathetic.
“Now, please state for the record that you think the prophet of Islam is insane or else apologize to BettyBlue.”
I think the the prophet of Islam is (was) insane. I don’t think I offended BettyBlue though and if I did then I apologize.
“Or, did you already know that but just enjoy berating Christians who you know won’t hunt you down and behead you?”
I don’t enjoy berating all Christians, just the stupid ones. And believing that the hand of Satan is at work in an attempt to promote national service on 9/11 is insane. That’s the limit of human evil, beyond which demonic possession must be involved? You are not living in the real world, and you have more in common with Mohamed than you would like to admit. You’re superstitions are your own business but I don’t have to respect them any more than I do astrology and homeopathic medicine.
HEY!!! Maybe with the ‘liberal lion’s’ passing; they would prefer to move this national day of service to the anniversary of his death????? LEAVE SEPTEMBER 11th to those who(m) it should properly honor…
It’s a Day of Remembering.
Islam has been at war with all non-believers since the 7th century. Barry, being a Muslim, would like us to forget it.
BTW, Van Jones, a committed communist, Barry’s green “czar” is spearheading this effort to take our minds and hearts away from the enemy at the gate……don’t be fooled nor intimindated.
Be patriotic. Go Shopping.
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Really, you folks need to quit bitching and moaning about every little thing. Commemorate the anniversary of 9/11 in any way you see fit, and permit others (yes, even those who disagree with you politically) to do the same. Serving your country is fine. Helping your fellow citizens in your own little piece of it is fine, too. So is spending the day praying, mourning, observing 3000 minutes of silence, or even learning/teaching others to defend it.
Thinking your way of commemorating 9/11 is better than everyone else’s way of doing so though, is just selfish and stupid. Thinking it’s all a commie plot to take over just makes you look paranoid (& Glenn Beck is doing a good enough job of that without your help.)
gdad – (76)
“Well, at least we know now that you’re a dining room table.”
Why, thank you! That’s quite a compliment coming from a termite.
have a nice day
All the lefties are afraid to say what they really want, and that is to rename 9-ll to “I hate Bush/Cheney and our support for Israel forced the Freedom Fighters to attack Us Day”.
Then they could apologize to the Islamists for making them hate us and forcing them to attack us, and apologize again to the world for electing Bush/Cheney.
For short we could call it “Sorry Day”, and since Obama does such a good job at apologizing for us and bowing before Kings it would be fitting for him to start “Sorry Day” with an apology in the Rose Garden.
There finished. Whew! What a relief!
“You are not living in the real world, and you have more in common with Mohamed than you would like to admit. You’re superstitions are your own business but I don’t have to respect them any more than I do astrology and homeopathic medicine.”
I beg your pardon, Zero, but where did I say I believed in demon posession in this or any other instance rather than saying you were wrong for calling others insane?
I suggest you voice your opinions of other people’s insanity only after carefully reading what they actually said rather than scanning it or otherwise assuming they’ve said something they didn’t.
My opinion was reather clearly stated in the initial portion of the post to which you now respond, and it had nothing at all to do with demons or Jinn either one. If you think it is an absurd conspiracy to think that Obama might do something like this in hopes of pleasing the Saudis, so be it, but that’s a far cry from either a conspiracy theory or a demon posession allegation of any sort.
The Saudis have been placated many times by many a president, something “progressives” were all to eager to accuse Bush (both of them) at the drop of a hat. That Obama who is naturaly sympathetic to Muslims as evidenced by his statement that the Muslim call to prayer was one of the most beautiful sounds in the world and by his lengthly message to them as they start their holy month. That he might decide to use something like a National Socialist Workers holiday to bump 9-11 off the annual headlines is exactly the sort of thing he does all the time. He and his inner circle call it clever politics. You, on the other hand, call it a conspiracy.
Do try and read more carefully in the future. If I think a particular party or group of parties is demon possessed I am quite capable of saying so. I am a Christian, and if you consider that superstition unworthy of your respect, fine, I thought so.
Silecedogood…I’d be surprised if you knew anything about Van Jones. This is a fairly good place to start.
I met Jones when he was all of 22 and we were both arrested in what was later termed by an illegal shut down of a neighborhood in San Francisco. The police chief of SF, Richard Hongisto, a long time liberal and self-proclaimed card carrying member of the ACLU was fired for over-stepping his authority by arresting 800 residents of a neighborhood on a Saturday afternoon. The city council condemned the action, and it was also condemned by the state legislature. A lawsuit brought against those arrested was succesful for damages in the millions of dollars.
Van Jones went on to briefly be involved in a few left-wing groups, but he increasingly saw himself most succesful in more mainstream pursuits. He formed cop watch, a legal referral group that documented police abuse in Oakland and then moved on to found the Ella Baker Center, where his highly succesful Green Jobs program has been incorporated into several cities in the area. It is a model of intelligent capitalism, training youth who wouldn’t normally have the opportunity to acquire any skills in the application of new growth industries.
If Van Jones was a communist, he’d be sitting around in a coffee shop somewhere talking about a revolution. He made the decision to make changes in the world, and he’s been very succesful. You aren’t fit to tie his shoelaces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones
If the current occupant of the White House had any sense of decency or propriety, he’d recommend that Ted Kennedy’s birthday be designated a ‘National Day of Service’ in his memory, and let 9/11 continue stand for what it stands for – a reminder that we are not immune to the collateral damage caused by Radical Islam’s War Against the Rest of the World.
Funny how our liberal friends are so anti-military yet suddenly they’re all for “service”. I guess it’s okay to give service to Obama but not your country? Please explain further….
“These are probes. The intent is to see how outrageous the socialist’s thugs’ behavior can get before BHO’s entrenched, lying, Fifth Column media shills are forced to cover the story in any significant way.”
More tinfoil need on aisle 5. Quick, before goy’s head explodes.
BTW, Ken Gladney was NOT beaten to a pulp. He did, however, act much more hurt than he was a couple of days after the event in an attempt to generate more publicity. Didn’t work too well.
Remembrance . . . OK, here’s something I remember:
“It took me about a year to start hating the 9//11 victims’ families” – Glenn Beck
@93. gdad: – More tinfoil …
Wow. Appeal to Ridicule. That’s a new one. Not.
Hallmark of the left: fallacy AND lack of originality all in a single post.
Funny how our liberal friends are so anti-military yet suddenly they’re all for “service”.
It would be fascinating to have you explain the logic that went into this construction.
Goy. Its an appeal that would receive a favorable response in most corners.
And remember this:
“FOX News’ Glenn Beck is doing an extraordinary job this week walking America behind the scenes of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and outlining who is actually running the White House. Monday night he asked us to invite one friend to watch; tonight I invite all my friends to watch.”
-Sarah Palin
Why does Glenn Beck hate America? Why does he dishonor the memory of our nation’s most tragic victims and most patriotic heroes? And worse, their innocent families left to struggle through life without their loved ones? Children without mothers and fathers, men and women without spouses and sons and daughters? And why does Palin support such a vile and unpatriotic person? Are they both so fixated on fame and attention and selfishness that they are willing to trash our fellow Americans who paid the ultimate sacrifice in this global war on terror?
Can anybody answer any of those questions?
“Wow. Appeal to Ridicule. That’s a new one. Not.”
There’s nothing else to do when faced with so much nonsensical paranoid blather in one post, which in itself is a hallmark of the right.
N&T, you neglected to regurgipaste the whole statement:
Obviously, Beck wasn’t alone in this sentiment, if 9/11 is going to be co-opted to push a socialist agenda instead of, you know, remembering how over 2,000 civilians were murdered by radical islamists.
@97. Moho: – … would receive a favorable response in most corners.
As I said – on the left: bastion of fallacy, disguised as argument.
91. goy:
” . . . we are not immune to the collateral damage”
I thought you conservatives were OK with collateral damage. You certainly seem to accept Arab children getting burned alive and their limbs blown off in the name of democracy. So I guess that means the Americans who were killed on 9/11 are acceptable losses in your mind, eh? That’s despicable. And unAmerican. But don’t let that worry you none. You just let us keep you safe and secure and you can go back in the house with your other cowardly conservative friends.
#89 Rashputin
“I beg your pardon, Zero, but where did I say I believed in demon posession in this or any other instance rather than saying you were wrong for calling others insane?”
Right here.
“Christians may err on the side of thinking the limits of evil are such that mere mortals cannot commit some evil and therefore suspect demon or satanic activity”
I assumed that you were a Christian, but you’ve confirmed that assumption, so I was correct. Just to be clear, I don’t think all Christians are insane. Just the ones who see the hand of Satan in even the most benign of events. I don’t disrespect your superstition any more or less than I disrespect other unprovable assertions. I’m a fan of Christ as a philosopher, just not a believer in his divinity.
I do think it’s an absurd conspiracy to think that “Obama might do something like this in hopes of pleasing the Saudis”. For starters, why would the Saudis want that? What purpose would it serve for them? The Saudi government has to deal with our State Department and the White House, neither of which are likely to forget about the events of 9/11. Public perception of them in the US is not so poor that they really need to improve their image by orchestrating something like this. Why would we need to placate the Saudis anyway? What are they going to do besides raise oil prices? And aren’t high oil prices what Obama really wants anyway, so he can force us all to drive electric cars?
And in case you haven’t been paying attention there are a lot of people like myself who think this is a genuinely good idea. There doesn’t need to be an ulterior motive, see? It can all just be a difference of opinion between Americans, a “reasonable disagreement” if you will, and you can stop checking under your bed for Saudi jihadists before you go to sleep.
“That Obama who is naturally sympathetic to Muslims as evidenced by his statement that the Muslim call to prayer was one of the most beautiful sounds in the world and by his lengthy message to them as they start their holy month.”
Do you understand that public perception of the US in the Middle East is exceptionally poor after the Bush Presidency? We would like cooperation from Middle Eastern nations on a variety of things, mostly energy and national security related. Obama is trying to mend some fences after 8 years of “my way or the highway” foreign policy. One of the things you do when you’re trying to be diplomatic is go to foreign countries and say nice things about them. I’ll bet if you check, it’ll turn out he said nice things about Germans in Germany and nice things about Czechs in the Czech Republic.
#28
It’s FDNY, not NYFD, you jack-ass.
9/11 is a day of mourning, not celebration. People go to cemeteries and temples, and the site of that horror. A de-generate like you can celebrate all you want. We know what we have to do, without government telling us.
“Funny how our liberal friends are so anti-military yet suddenly they’re all for “service”. I guess it’s okay to give service to Obama but not your country? Please explain further….”
Well, that made no sense at all. Do you really think the only way to “serve” the country is to join the military?: Tell that to some of your buddies, like Rove, Cheney, and Limbaugh
Volunteering at a soup kitchen isn’t “serviing” Obama. In fact, I’d argue it IS a way of serving the country.
#92 AThinkingPerson
“Funny how our liberal friends are so anti-military”
Here’s another case of people having to manufacture something to be offended about. If liberals disagree with you about whether or not Iraq/Afghanistan was a good idea then it’s just a disagreement. But, if they disrespected our soldiers then you could get good and angry about that, couldn’t you? And gradually you convince yourself that the first one is the same as the second.
For the record, I’m a liberal and a combat veteran. So wrap your head around that one.
#50, moho
“I lived in New York for six years from 1994 to 2000 and I don’t think so. I still have lots of friends who live there they don’t think so.”
You lye. You do not have any friends in NY. No NY-er would ever say or think that. Take it from me, some one who HAS lost friends in north tower. You and your friends do not live and never lived in NY. New Yorker is a different breed. Not like you, vivo and the likes. Tr.a.sh.
@102. Now and Then: – I thought you conservatives were OK with collateral damage.
As usual, you and your straw man pal were mistaken.
- You just let us keep you safe and secure…
Blow it out your diseased rectum, troll. My father and father-in-law earned three Purple Hearts between them, and I spent three years of my life working to keep this country safe so that human waste like you could remain free to infest it.
If you really cared a rat’s-ass-worth about “arab children”, you’d be in some Arab country tending to them, rather than demonstrating your lack of critical thinking skills and total ignorance of informal fallacy here in public on a site where you’re neither interesting nor welcome.
100. goy:
Fine. Now we know you agree with Beck. Now you get to stand up for Ann Coulter, who said this about some 9/11 widows:
“These self-obsessed women seem genuinely unaware that 9-11 was an attack on our nation and acted like as if the terrorist attack only happened to them. They believe the entire country was required to marinate in their exquisite personal agony. Apparently, denouncing bush was part of the closure process.”
“These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband’s death so much.”
Stay with that, goy, and you, like Mister Coulter and Glenda Beck, can marinate in the righteous derision of all good-hearted Americans. Utterly despicable.
There is no doubt, the National Day of Service will see Acorn and the Black Panthers doing their Community Organizing and signing up the weak minded and Potential Marxists for Fearless Obama and the Marxist Machine. Of course it will all be financed with public taxpayer dollars, the Obama Marxist Way.
How about God Damn America Day. Leftist should like that one and in the words of Obama’s minister:
– September 2001: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”
Read the last paragraph of #100.
Yep, it never takes long for the leftist to show their true colors. Never mind the United States citizen’s perception of Islam and the Middle East after 9-11, no it’s always about their perception of us. And of course “Blame Bush” is never far behind.
Of course the news that the Islamist blow each other, their own brothers, sisters, and children up daily, means nothing really. From every Islamic country in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia, some Islamist somewhere is killing, maiming, suppressing, beating, and terrorizing another human and all the leftists see is the evil United States.
I can think of only one purple finger that the Middle East should show the liberal left, because the reality is, the only ones they think deserve to be free is themselves.
Geez, what’s the fun of volunteering to help the needy if everyone is given the opportunity to live as free men and woman with a stake in their own destiny and a chance to break out of dhimmitude. It’s hard to feel superior and above it all unless there are people below looking up to you.
The “National Day of Service” could have been any day. It was chosen to dilute the horror and ralling point for American solidarity.
The national day of service is a fraud if it doesn’t pledge to help individuals and NOT the government. They are not one and the same.
A ton of weak efforts by our leftist friends here to explain this one away (interspersed with the same insipid insults and BDS.)
9/11 is and shall remain a day to remember the innocent people that were killed and hurt that day. We should no more change the meaning of 9/11 than we should rename 12/7 into Pearl Harbor Conservation day. There is practically a whole calendar of days to pick from, but for some odd reason, these people want to relabel 9/11 and dishonor the memory of those that were lost – especially those that ran towards the building to save others. This is not about some general idea of service – it is about those people.
If these leftwing extremist pols feel the need to introduce yet another unnecessary, divisive, stupid idea into the public discourse, they should go for it. Just another reason for the American people to fire them.
@109. Now and Then: – Now we know you agree with Beck.
Wrong again, Straw Man Queen. Now you know what Beck actually said. The fact that you were too stupid to correctly quote Beck’s statement says nothing about what I think.
And since you insist on lying by omission, here’s what Coulter actually said, in context (where’s BC to complain about tools like you taking stuff out of context!!):
Coulter: “The last candidate the Democrats got into the White House was Bill Clinton. I, I take that as a fair assessment of whom the Democrats will choose as their representative. Bill Clinton sold out every single special interest group. The criminal rights group, the welfare bureaucrats. The one group he would not stand up to were the abortion ladies. Vetoing bans on partial birth, a gruesome procedure passed by overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate. Twice, Clinton vetoed that. That tells you what the Democratic Party thinks about abortion.”
Lauer: “Do you, do you believe everything in this book, do you believe everything in the book or do you put some things in there just that cater to your base?”
Coulter: “No of course I believe everything.”
Lauer: “Alright on the 9/11 widows and in particular a group that had been outspoken and critical of the administration. ‘These self-obsessed women seem genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attack only happened to them. They believe the entire country was required to marinate in their exquisite personal agony. Apparently denouncing Bush was an important part of their closure process.’ And this part is, is the part I really need to talk to you about. ‘These broads are millionaires lionized on TV and in articles about them reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis. I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ death so much.’”
Coulter: “Yes.”
Lauer: “Because they dare to speak out?”
Coulter: “To speak out using the fact that they’re widows. This is the left’s doctrine of infallibility. If they have a point to make about the 9/11 commission, about how to fight the war on terrorism. How about sending somebody we’re allowed to respond to? No, no we always have to respond to someone who just had a family member die…”
Lauer: “But aren’t they the people in the middle of the story?”
Coulter: “…because then if we respond, ‘Oh you’re questioning their authenticity.’ No the story is…”
Lauer: “So grieve but grieve quietly.”
Coulter: “No the story is an attack on the nation…”
Lauer: “And by the way…”
Coulter: “That requires a foreign policy response. That does not entail the expertise…”
Lauer: “And by the way they also criticized the Clinton administration for their failures leading up to 9/11.”
Coulter: “Oh not, not the ones I’m talking about.”
Lauer: “No they have.”
Coulter: “No, no, no. Oh no, no, no, no.”
Lauer: “But is your message to them just grieve…”
Coulter: “No, no they were cutting commercials for Kerry. They were using their grief in order to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding.”
Lauer: “So if you lose a husband you no longer have the right to have a political point of view?”
Coulter: “No but don’t use the fact that you lost a husband as the basis for your being able to talk about it while preventing people from responding. Let Matt Lauer make the point, let Bill Clinton make the point. Don’t put up someone I’m not allowed to respond to without questioning the authenticity of their grief.”
Lauer: “Well but apparently you are allowed to respond to them.”
Coulter: “Well yeah I did.”
Lauer: “Right so in other words…”
Coulter: “But that is the point of liberal infallibility. Of putting up Cindy Sheehan, of putting out these widows of putting out Joe Wilson. No, no, no you can’t respond it’s their doctrine of infallibility.”
Nice riposte Goy. He couldn’t reply to your arguments so he tried redirection.
Very good points Goy.
108. goy:
My family outdoes yours by four Purple Hearts, including one on MY shelf. Sorry. And I got you by 5 years in service. So now what? I guess I’m right and you’re wrong. Funny how that works.
You’re not up to this, I know. You’d rather defend people who insult the victims and families of 9/11. That’s your choice. I don’t do that. You consider those innocent people in the twin towers and the heroes who died trying to save them “collateral damage” . . . That’s your choice, too. I don’t consider them collateral damage. I consider them victims. And when challenged on these views, you revert to the amazingly consistent scatalogical predilections of the right wing extremists. Again, that’s your choice. Not a very persuasive one, but your choice nonetheless.
Perhaps you should debate with people who agree with you. It’s a lot easier. Good luck with that.
When Pearl Harbor took place it was called “A date that will live in infamy”. That was a military strike against a military target. The outrage and war which resulted led to a nuclear strike which annihilated the enemy and forced a surrender.
The cowards who attacked us on 9-11 chose to kill civillians, but we did not have a military leader in the white house. We had a weak politician who had no idea how to fight or win a battle against those who would rather kill the innocent than face the defenders of peace.
Now we have a president who wants to be a dictator and there are far too many organizations lining up behind him like good little socialists and the country is going downhill fast.
I expect to see the former United States (see V for vendetta for reference) become a reflection of third world countries which have always asked for our aid and will soon be laughing at our needs once Obama has depleted all resources and industries the country depends on.
You lye. You do not have any friends in NY. No NY-er would ever say or think that. Take it from me, some one who HAS lost friends in north tower. You and your friends do not live and never lived in NY. New Yorker is a different breed. Not like you, vivo and the likes. Tr.a.sh.
Seriously, what an ass. If you people really cared about trolls, this would be the first douche you’d go after.
As I said – on the left: bastion of fallacy, disguised as argument.
Let’s hear some of those fallacies. This should be good.
Bushes references to service were about people DONATING their time and money, and went on to say how much had been raised. As usual the left has to wait for the Government to tell them what to do and then to pay for it. And Obama will love to accomodate them. I didn’t see Bush financing anything.
Also I am very worried about Obama’s boys using this to create their brown shirt army of thugs that will start the intimidation process of the new regime. I agree they are just starting to test the waters.
Let’s get serious here, just how many people will actually go out and give free labor with no pay to pick up trash or fix a sidewalk or pot hole in a road? How many will use it as a day of remembrance of those lost on 9/11 and the scenes shown on television? I believe there will be more of the latter, but watch for the media to show little groups doing meaningless projects.
@116. Now and Then: – I got you by 5 years in service.
If that were actually true, you’d have some idea how stupid your earlier statement was. Clearly, it’s not.
… I guess I’m right and you’re wrong.
Well since you’ve been completely wrong about everything else, it’s tough to give you the benefit of the doubt here. Funny how that works.
Pointing out your lies and misrepresentations about others is not defending them, it’s demonstrating the depths to which you lying leftist lemmings will stoop in your efforts to pretend you’re superior.
Perhaps you should learn how to actually debate – that is, if that’s what you’re really trying to do. It’s difficult to tell, since all you do is hide behind straw man fallacies and out-of-context quotes. Either way, I’m happy to say that – yes – there is an amazingly consistent conservative predilection to call leftist liars like you on your lies.
@99. gdad: – … nonsensical paranoid blather …
Appeal to Ridicule fallacy backed up by… more Appeal to Ridicule fallacy. So now you think two wrongs make you right?
Heh.
You should have quit while you were just a little bit behind.
ZerO -
It’s really funny around here when you see people complain one place that they can’t get any “reasoned conversation” and the next time you see them they’re calling people insane or conspiracy nuts before they ever post a single “did you mean …”, or “what do you mean by ..”, type of response. Don’t you think so?
have a reasonably nice day, but not an excessivly nice one
24. Nora:
“Yes, I am afraid of terrorists. I am afraid of losing American tolerance. I am afaid(sic) of many things. Being afraid isn’t a bad thing – it means you have something to lose.”
I respect your viewpoint. Well put.
The reason why the left always reverts back to the old blame Bush arguments, and it’s our foreign policy arguments is because they can’t explain why the Islamic Terrorists are blowing up their own citizens, the people of their own faith.
They can’t explain it, and it begins to sound lame when the news of another explosion killing citizens in Iraq or Afghanistan because they know that blame Bush and the United States foreign policy will get them so far and that is not far at all.
That is why they need to distract from September 11th, because the noise they make is an attempt to drown out the sound of the explosions of the Islamists killing, maiming, murdering, torturing still more and more people every day.
They don’t want to think that perhaps the victims on 9-11 were a part of another agenda, and that is the Cult of Death, victorious with terror, and their reign of murder taking place throughout the world to all citizens, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist and others who’s crime is that they exist.
GOP: “How dare you try and exploit a national tragedy that we first exploited in order to ram our right-wing statist Patriot Act down America’s throat and then further exploited in order to invade a country that posed no threat to us!”
GOP voters: “How dare you try and refocus a tragic day we associate with irrational hatred and fear and ask us to channel those emotions and feelings into constructive patriotic service? How dare you ask us to act like competent, rational adults who have the capacity to find peace? Do you think we are emotionally mature or stable or something?
Durrrr.
122. goy:
If by “debate” you mean the drubbing you’ve suffered at my able mind, I’m all for it. If by “debate” you mean the Venn diagrams you saw in Logic 101 back in community college, then save it for the like-minded here who go no deeper. Until you make up your mind, remember – they’re not my words, they’re direct quotes from Beck and Coulter, and you – all equally indefensible and reprehensible.
You should have quit before you started with me, yes, your intellectual and moral superior. Proud of it. No doubt about it.
Sorry liberals. Sometimes you must be SHOWN the truth since you seem to be blind and ignorant to it.
Liberals are anti-military: http://vodpod.com/watch/1060416-liberals-protest-campus-military-recruiter
Again I ask, why are liberals willing to serve Obama and not the USA?
Here’s how liberals protest at a 9/11 memorial event.
Watch if you have the stomach for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMgIKZUvFQ&feature=related
(Not recommended if you’re a family member of someone who died on 9/11)
Liberals must be so proud.
And how do the leftists rationalize Rwanda and Serbia and Spain, where there was no Bush and the US? Could it be the radical Islamics want to kill the infidels? The radicals have been doing this FOREVER and the US has very little to do with it. What about China just killing their muslims? Was that the US too? Such bull.
The one thing I CAN thank Obama for is that with his liberal left-wing agenda now tanking and a majority of Americans now revolting against him, the liberal sheeple are now crawling back under the rock they came out of on election day.
Buh-bye anti-American liberals! Don’t let the Constitution hit you on the way out!
Maybe you can move to Cuba and soak up some of that good ole socialist living you’ve been pining for. You won’t be missed. You haven’t contributed that much to society at this point anyway. In fact, imagine the tax dollars for all of the subsidy programs that will be saved?
Can you leave yesterday and tell Obama to extend that vacation a year or three?
9/11 is and will always remain a day to honor those whose lives were lost and NOT a day to celebrate joining Obama’s civilian army. If you want to volunteer for Obama there’s already a group called ACORN (unless they’re all in jail).
Just in case the liberals have actually forgotten what happened on 9/11 (no, it’s not Obama’s birthday or his anniversary to Michelle or the day he adopted his dog):
http://www.poynterextra.org/extra/Gallery2002/Newspaper19.htm
(From the SF Chronicle no less. I’m sure Nancy Pelosi rues the day this appeared on her doorstep.)
Will M: Exploiting a tragedy is taking over the day to promote your “Serve In Obama’s Civil Army”.
Let’s follow Will M.’s logic. Apparently it’s exploiting MLK when we honor him with an official day. How about we rename it “pick the trash off a parkbench day”. See how stupid your point is?
We all do. Go back to sleep.
@128. Now and Then: – If by “debate” you mean the drubbing you’ve suffered…
Your crack-induced fantasies are your own affair, Queenie.
You quoted Beck – out of context – intentionally misrepresenting his statements.
You quoted Coulter – out of context – intentionally misrepresenting her statements.
You see military service as a pretext for a pissing contest and notably NOT as a reason to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution from marxist poseurs like BHO – clearly indicating the strong un-likelihood that you have ever served in the military.
You clearly don’t comprehend that a debate involves the presentation of a valid argument – not serial straw man fallacies (look it up) – to support one’s position.
That you keep digging yourself deeper by arrogantly proclaiming your “intellectual superiority” after all that has been made clear to you is an undeniable sign of your own nascent mental illness and/or detachment from reality… OR simple, sophomoric, leftist moral adolescence. They’re functionally equivalent.
Not recommended if you’re a family member of someone who died on 9/11
Like, the whining little coward you are, you never miss a chance to use their misery to advance your stupid arguments.
“Remember”
There I picked one word out of the leftist writings that makes sense. Every now and then the leftists take small little steps forward and appear they may one day enter the real world.
135 goy . . .
More syllables please, I wasn’t quite asleep.
Re Moho: “Like, the whining little coward you are, you never miss a chance to use their misery to advance your stupid arguments.”
Use their misery? You mean REMEMBERING the victims of 9/11 is USING their misery? Why Moho, that says a whole lot more about you than me. Why do you want to forget them and replace the day to remember them with a day to volunteer for Obama’s civil army? Do tell.
My stupid arguments? What argument? That liberals are trying to forget the victims of 9/11 by taking over the day to memorialize them and replacing it with a day to serve Obama? How is that MY argument? Let’s hear YOUR argument as to why forgetting the victims is the path America needs to go down. Don’t forget the details.
Great, now the liberals find honoring the 9/11 victims so boring they are falling asleep just talking about them.
Re #138 Now and Then:”More syllables please, I wasn’t quite asleep.” Don’t worry Now and Then. I have a feeling you’ll snap right to attention when Obama summons you for your official trash pickup day on 9/11. “Yes Sir Obama! How many cans to meet my quota sir?”
135. goy:
“out of context” = the quintessential excuse for anybody caught saying something stupid
“You see military service as a pretext for a pissing contest” . . . I didn’t bring it up, you did. You just can’t piss quite as far as I can.
“They’re functionally equivalent.” . . . Wow, you’re a real live blogger? How special. Last I counted there were about 80 million blogs . . . in China. Keep up the good work. I’m sure you’ll break through with just a few more syllables.
You mean REMEMBERING the victims of 9/11 is USING their misery?
Remember. Let’s get this straight, you little turd. I had a friend who died there that day. My friend’s sister came about a hair’s breadth from not making it out of the building–she lost many co workers there. Another friend worked a block and a half away. I remember the victims of 9/11 because I actually knew one of them, because that was actually a part of my life and not something I jsut watched on tv, you jerk wad. For you its just another cynical use of tragedy to push your ridiculous ideas. What we, the people who were actually involved in that event, feel is frankly none of your business. But I can assure you, no one is more tired of these juvenile appeals to the families of nine eleven, than the families and friends of the people who died and lost loved ones in nine eleven.
@141. Now and Then: – the quintessential excuse for anybody caught…
So – you’re completely ignorant of the value and meaning of context. As I suspected. Look it up. There will be a quiz on Monday.
- You just can’t piss quite as far as I can.
As I said – you see military service as a pretext for a pissing contest. Thanks very much for making my point for me – I think you’re now tied with BC on that score.
- you’re a real live blogger?
Yes. Another one of the millions of things in this world you’re ignorant of. I prefer that to your m.o. of pointlessly trolling web sites for the sole purpose of being a public nuisance. And unlike you, I actually have something to say.
9-11 is a national day of service for me. I service my weapon, and service my boots with a thick coat of black polish. Then, I service my body with a hard workout in the gym. My backpack, and H-harness stay serviced. I will help the economy by paying for my hair to be serviced. Everyone should already have their finger, and toenails serviced.
Over.
Just ran across the Mansour/Obama connection. Khalid Mansour, Muslim, former Black Panther, collected the money for Obama to go to Harvard. Rants about Islam gaining the power to take over. Obviously the reason there were no prayers in the White House on National Prayer Day, and why there is to be a national day of service instead of Memorials on 9/11. Just look up Mansour/Obama connection and also find the youtube’s of his rants. VERY scary. Pass this info on——–
well, I’m sure glad we’re all sticking to facts and staying away from the ad hominem arguments. /sarc/
look, there’s one overriding reason that Obama would want to do this. in his alternate reality, Muslims are the good guys. clearly, there is no way to talk about 9/11 without mentioning that some Muslims did some bad things, in the NAME OF ISLAM. since Obama prefers to believe that Islam is a peaceful, important religion (remember, they invented printing and stuff!) he can’t afford to have us thinking about who really flew those planes into those buildings.
as with almost everything Obama and the lib left tries, tho, this will redound to their disadvantage. he just doesn’t get it, how much most Americans love their country…and I don’t think he ever will.
People, in case you haven’t figured it out, Barry’s National Day of Service is part of his “recruiting” effort for his personal army. He pays “his” people to organize the events and then they recruit the regular citizens who show up to attend innocent indoctrination sessions so they can further participate in “service” activities. This is not just a day of “do-gooding” for the country. It is subversive in it’s overall intent. It is a distraction for those in our country who are lost, without purpose, who feel disconnected (and there are many) but that is not the fault of our country but of personal responsibility.
Check out Van Jones, Green Jobs Czar, his background, his goals, and how Glenn Beck ties it all together with the Apollo Project, SEIU, ACORN, and the rest of the civilian army that Barry is building. All to do Soros’ bidding. Barry is just the front man.
vivo and moho need a colon cleanse…
gdad, nowandthen, moho, vivo and others are trolls. Do NOT feed them. Your responding to their comments is manna to these creatures. They are here to do one thing only, disrupt the proper discussion of ideas and sidetrack any reasonable threads. Look at it. They show up immediately one starts and do not quit. And they are mostly infantile in their words and ideas to boot.
Stop feeding them and they will go away. They only go where they can get attention. There are other PJM sub-sites they do not infest because they just end up being shew toys for the big dogs that reside in those places.
Begone you shrill little trolls!
7. Old Soldiers:
I helped kill a bunch of nasty fascists in ‘91 in Kuwait & Iraq. Very satisfying.
No you killed some poor conscripted soldiers that I doubt were “facists” and how the hell would you know if they were nice or nasty. And if you enjoyed it then you are one sick puppy and no better that the people who perpetrated 9/11.
michiganruth – (146)
The leftist folks do not want to see reality for what it is and react in predictable ways when they know that facts would contradict their chosen “narrative”. Here they all are laughing at people who think Obama would deliberately usurp 9/11 due to Muslim sympathies. Have any of them looked at the fact that at the same time this is announced, Obama reverses himself and kicks off the investigation of the CIA he clearly stated he wouldn’t pursue? What region has been the main focus of the CIA since 2001? Citizens of what nation have contributed more money to jihad than any other? What country, particularly its royal family, hates the limelight that annual remembrance of 9/11 shines on them? Which country other than the US has to be mentioned whenever the events of 9/11 are recounted? What minority view of Islam is the strictest, was most generous to the Muslim Brotherhood when it was forced out of Egypt, and has produced more jihadist radicals than any other? Last but not least, in which single nation did Obama bow down before their King rather than greeting their king the same way presidents and diplomats have for generations? The “earnest” people who were anxious to toss out a conspiracy theory a day when Bush was in office, now say none of these things are related.
Facts are too much for those who don’t care to know what reality is as long as they can enjoy the accolades of their shallow friends. I have yet to see any of those here who sometimes weep over the lack of civility actually engage in a civil conversation themselves, or reply to anyone without the snippy or smartass remarks they decry. You can even hold a mirror in front of these progressive folk and they’ll look their own reflection in the eye while swearing it’s not them. They don’t consider such denials of reality to be lies; they’re just a different narrative or their own personal alternative reality.
You have to understand, that in their reality (a reality in which most of them claim there is either no God or no Christian God), 9/11 didn’t happen; not to them. It happened to “those” people, the ones who didn’t treat the third world nice enough, or who are foolish enough to believe in the US acting in its own self-interest, etc., etc. But in their world, 9/11 is just another teaching moment for their agenda and comments about it being, “sad” or “terrible” are simply distracting boilerplate to introduce their alternate views. Ever since 2003, they’ve been saying to “move on”, and sympathize with the Muslim world rather than focusing on 9/11. Now that the left’s darling is president, it’s just some minor faux pas when Obama demands that date of all dates for a Federal holiday of his own making. I already know exactly what people here will be explaining away what Obama says this 9/11, and even then they’ll swear none of these things are related in any way.
The fact is, liberals do not even claim to be a part of the United States any more, rather they claim to be trapped within the United States and fighting tooth and nail to destroy it. In all of their claims to be working for the good of the nation one fact shines through, it’s the basic tenant of their faith that the United States must be destroyed in order for them to escape it. They avoid clearly stating it, but you can’t read their beliefs and self-justifications without them spelling out the fact that they do not consider themselves to be American and do not want the United States to continue to exist. Why would people like that have a problem with turning 9/11, a national day of remembrance, into a National Socialist holiday?
Attempting to reason with or engage liberals in civil conversation is a waste of breath. The time for chatting with the opposition is past. They deserve exactly the type of “action” they have long been dishing out and I doubt they have the stomach to take it.
Regards
143. goy:
Here’s the difference between you and me. I believe what I say. You want others to believe what you say, and that’s what reduces you to sitting in corners rolling boogers in your fingers and rolling them out as inane insults. I believe in freedom and service, self-determination and sacrifice for others. You believe in flag pins and Glen Beck and dead American heroes as “collateral damage.” I believe in life. You believe in symbols – who knows why – maybe life scares you, or maybe it’s because symbols don”t require any commitment. In any case, yours are not the behaviors of a debater but rather the rattling din of one convinced that Foxian obfuscation works on people beyond (and yes, above) his immediate circle of idiots. Proof? Easy. Your next post.
“Have any of them looked at the fact that at the same time this is announced, Obama reverses himself and kicks off the investigation of the CIA he clearly stated he wouldn’t pursue?”
Don’t you just hate it when you have a president who looks at the evidence and then says, “OK, I was wrong. We need to change course”? It’s so much easier to have some reactionary doofus like Bush who says, “I’ve made up my mind (what little mind I have) and I don’t give a darn what the facts show.”
“Attempting to reason with or engage liberals in civil conversation is a waste of breath. The time for chatting with the opposition is past. They deserve exactly the type of “action” they have long been dishing out and I doubt they have the stomach to take it.”
It’s people like you who are destroying the United States. You are a traitor to what our country stands for. I’m a liberal and I love the U.S. You obviously do not.
#142 Yes Moho, we know that you ‘remember’ 9-11 because YOU knew someone there. Yes, Moho it’s all about YOU. Because YOU knew someone there, YOU remember, and if YOU didn’t know someone there, YOU wouldn’t remember, because it would be none of YOUR business, and unless YOU are personally involved YOU don’t think any tragedy is YOUR business.
Yes Moho, it’s ALL ABOUT YOU, and every morning you wake up with a song in your heart ME, ME, ME, ME!
AH! OH! One step forward ‘remembering’, and two steps back ‘remembering’.
Keep trying Leftist! People living in reality don’t need an Obama Day to honor the memory of those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001. I wrote it out for you in case you forgot the exact date. I’m sure you didn’t, you being personally involved and all, but since you seemed to need Obama to give that date another meaning, I thought, just in case…
“And of course “Blame Bush” is never far behind.”
Of course. There’s so much to blame him for. One of the worst presidents EVER.
Gosh, goy, you’re so much better than me because your family has Purple Hearts. I wonder how many the Cheney and Limbaugh families have? Oops, I see your family doesn’t have as many Purple Hearts as one of the liberals here. Time for you to pull out the Nazi card?
140. AThinkingPerson:
Do your patriotic duty . . . go shopping.
“People, in case you haven’t figured it out, Barry’s National Day of Service is part of his “recruiting” effort for his personal army. He pays “his” people to organize the events and then they recruit the regular citizens who show up to attend innocent indoctrination sessions so they can further participate in “service” activities.”
Psst, you should see what GW set up. I’d tell you all about it but then I’d have to kill you.
I”t’s people like you who are destroying the United States. You are a traitor to what our country stands for. I’m a liberal and I love the U.S. You obviously do not.”
Thank your for doing what you have been doing for so long, lying like a dog and posting cookbook responses. It no longer has any effect on people here and elsewhere. We all know that being a liar is something the left finds, “useful”, and that they live by situational ethics, so whatever is “useful” you will do. Lying is second nature to the left, they admit it in their own writings, so your denials and your posts could as easily be useful lies as anything else. Why should anyone believe people who agree that lying to further their cause is just fine. You obviously don’t love your country or you could not have in the past and would not now support the man who is now president.
I honestly hope you think I’m a traitor to YOUR country, because my country is the United States of America, the same one I swore to defend from enemies foreign and domestic, and the same one you cannot bear to mention without declaring your desire to change it into somthing else.
You folks will soon be reaping what you have sown, and a few college kids and union thugs chanting BS will be nothing like the firestorm of dissent you get in return. The best thing is, a lot of those who you thought were on your side will be up front screaming the loudest. Don’t bother stammering out your drooling “facts” lines of crap, it’s no longer even funny. As expected, you skipped large portions of the post to which you reply or you’d know that we’re on to your denial of reality and substitution of your own “facts” to suit your “narritive”.
You are no patriot, not even a sunshine patriot, so spare me the cookbook responses about your great service so far in life. I don’t believe it even before you say it. It’s just too predictable.
Lynn, Lame.
@152. Now and Then: – Here’s the difference between you and me. …
Clearly, you don’t have a clue. Is that why you troll a web site wholly unpersuaded by your incessant nuisance behavior?
Pretending to know what others think and believe – and attacking that fantasy – is just another in the endless string of straw man “arguments” you keep spewing. Again, do yourself a favor and go look it up.
It no longer has any effect on people here and elsewhere.
You’re delusional. Your party has a seventy percent disapproval rating.
@156. Anonymous: Gosh, goy, you’re so much better than me because your family has Purple Hearts.
Is that what you think? I would tend to disagree but… hey… whatever gets you through the night, “Anon”.
Yes, the Leftists would like to create a National “Blame Bush Day”, which could coincide with a International “Blame the West Day”.
To have it be created on the same day as September 11th, would please them greatly, so when they think about what happened, they could feel immense satisfaction that finally “their chickens came home to roost” and once again the United States could be blamed for being attacked. Like Israel, we do after all EXIST, that in itself good reason for an attack. How dare we go about our business, traveling, talking, laughing, working, playing, LIVING. Guilty as charged!
Moho, Monotonous.
The presidential election was back in 2008. It is now August, 2009, almost September.
Past time to stop blaming everything on Bush.
Re #142 Moho: If what you said is true then I’m doubly embarrassed for you. If you had a close friend actually die in NYC on 9/11 I’d think you’d be front and center INSISTING that the day be kept as it IS which is to honor those who died. You’re telling me you’d rather collect cans and cigarette butts? You’ve got your priorities all screwed up Moho.
I used to think you were just a typical liberal who had been brainwashed at your community college. Now I know you just have no soul.
Pathetic.
Mohole – (162)
How nice of you to join in.
The post to which you reply as well as the earlier one that drove your friend gdad to distraction are both partially verbatim and partially paraphrased copies of posts that were on PJM by people opposed to Bush only two years ago.
Seeing the responses one gets when using exactly and almost exactly the comments regarding you folks that your sort have used describing others says all that needs to be said. Every post you and your friends make refuting you own style of commentary proves even more that to you folks lying is a simple matter of convenience, and facts mean nothing to you. Like I said, you folks have lied and distorted so much that it no longer has an effect on people here and elsewhere.
Please, continue to entertain me by responding to posts copied from those your side was using so recently. I do love to see people like you make complete fools of them, even if it’s not exactly something novel in your case, moho.
Have a nice day
155. gdad wrote:
Of course. There’s so much to blame him for. One of the worst presidents EVER.
Peter wrote: But he’s very quickly being eclipsed by Obama in every regard!
@ 168. Peter the Bubblehead
Please. until Obama lies the country into war, stuffs a fascist, statist act like the Patriot Act down the country’s throat, authorizes illegal torture, picks his nose while a city drowns, insates a faith-based sex ed program that actually raises the number of teenage pregnancies and STDs, and then presides over the ruination of our economy, Obama won’t even come close to matching the sheer, collossal, all-encompassing failure that was the Bush presidency.
Hey Victor,
Did you notice that Obama found ways to tank the economy even faster?
If you did not meet up with a terrorist or bomb since 2001, you should thank those who made this possible, including the people who interrogated terrorist prisoners.
169. Victor wrote:
Please. until Obama lies the country into war, stuffs a fascist, statist act like the Patriot Act down the country’s throat, authorizes illegal torture,
Peter writes: Please, I beg you, show me one, just ONE lie Bush told!
As for the Patriot Act, gee, lookie here, it’s OBAMA’s Patriot Act Now!
Illegal Torture? Obama said he would NOT RULE OUT ANY FORM OF INTERROGATION (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13474)to gain needed intelligence, and compared to beheading innocent civilians, drilling bamboo underneath people’s fingernails or tying people to ceiling using piano wire, a little water up your nose is HARDLY torture and our own SEALs and Special Forces personnel undergo the same routines during training.
So there you go, your The One is at least as low in only 8 months as you think Bush has been for 8 years! Libtard!
And since Victor obviously didn’t bother to read this on another thread (or more likely, as a true libtard, chose to ignore real facts) I will print this here again…
Bush didn’t lie, and here is proof…
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq. It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
The Act found that between 1980 and 1998 Iraq had:
1.committed various and significant violations of International Law,
2.had failed to comply with the obligations to which it had agreed following the Gulf War and
3.further had ignored Resolutions of the United Nations Security Council.
The Act declared that it was the Policy of the United States to support “regime change.” The Act was passed 360-38 in the U.S. House of Representatives and by unanimous consent in the Senate. US President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law on October 31, 1998.
President George W. Bush often referred to the Act and its findings to argue that the Clinton Administration supported regime change in Iraq and further that it believed that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction. The Act was cited as a basis of support in the Congressional Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq in October 2002 (Public Law 107–243—OCT. 16, 2002)
So once again, so even the libtards can understand… Bush Didn’t Lie! Iraq didn’t COMPLY! The DEMS SUPPORTED THE WAR!
170. Bob Miller wrote:
Hey Victor,
If you did not meet up with a terrorist or bomb since 2001, you should thank those who made this possible, including the people who interrogated terrorist prisoners.
Peter writes: Well said, Bob. I wish there were some way to let the libtards live in the world they really seem to want to create. The one where government taxes everyone (except those who are elected to office) into oblivion, where medical care is near non-existant because no one wants to be a doctor anymore since there is no money in it and nothing but overwork, and where islamic terrorists roam the streets blowing up ‘innocent’ libtards at will because no one wants to take the personal risk to fight against them, without the rest of us thinking, feeling, intelligent people having to suffer the pain they are trying to bring on everyone. Wouldn’t that be great?
If what you said is true then I’m doubly embarrassed for you. If you had a close friend actually die in NYC on 9/11 I’d think you’d be front and center INSISTING that the day be kept as it IS which is to honor those who died.
I think your words clarify better than I ever could how meaningless is your opinion on this issue.
all men are created equal, except if your mom is a crack addict.
165. BettyBlue:
The presidential election was back in 2008. It is now August, 2009, almost September. Time to stop blaming Bush.
Just for kicks Betty Blue, who was president in 2008? One more, if it’s time to stop blaming Bush sending our country into a tailspin , is it time to start crediting Obama with preventing another attack and keeping us safe?
165. BettyBlue:
The presidential election was back in 2008. It is now August, 2009, almost September. Time to stop blaming Bush.
No, it’s not time to stop blaming Bush because his myriad of failures – squandering a budgetary surplus, lying the country into a bull**** war, torture, politicization of the DOJ, tax cuts for the wealthy and ridiculous spending during a tanking economy, the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, total failure to address urgent national challenges like crumbling infrastructure and the health care crisis – continue to cripple the country.
On the day that the last Bush mess has been brought to light and sanitized by competent leadership, we can stop blaming Bush.
Just for kicks N & T, let’s say its 9/11 that marks the dividing line after which an incoming president takes the credit or blame for keeping us safe. Actually, you could blame him for anything after he took office as some did in 2001. Which do you prefer, Inauguration Day 2009 or Obama Day 2009? You decide which day is the appropriate date after which Obama becomes responsible for his own decisions. If you pick Inauguration Day, then of course, Dub couldn’t have been responsible for the WTC attack, and if you pick 9/11, then Obama hasn’t done anything to help protect us yet.
Go ahead, we’re all anxious to hear your real opinion which is that your reserve the right to blame Bush for anything you like for the rest of your life, no matter what the facts say. Folks around here are so nice, though, that we’ll let you pick either of the above dates and after your selected date you agree that Obama is responsible for national security, good or ill.
Have a day
Move along people, it was after all our fault we were attacked. We do after all EXIST, that in itself reason enough to deserve Islamist hatred.
Sorry world! Your angry with us and we must respect your hatred for us and your wish we be annihilated.
Do you like us now? Do you really, really like us? Now that we elected a man who agrees with you?
What? You still don’t like us? Oh no! You still want to kill us? You still want to kill? You still are killing? Every day, every where, every one. People of all faiths, even your own?
Memory, memory go away, let’s cover it up with another day. Obama Day!
Maybe we will get as good and efficient as the Israeli’s did when Islamists were blowing up the buses, restaurants, markets, and nightclubs. All those volunteers sweeping up, cleaning up, so life could go on, until next time that is.
Hey why should we cry, it is our fault after all.
We should at least credit Obama for apologizing for us. Yeah dhimmitude may work for awhile to keep us safe. Gee thanks!
Well, I hope when you say “we”, you’re speaking for your bipolar self. Don’t include me in your crazed ranting please.
177. Victor wrote:
No, it’s not time to stop blaming Bush because his myriad of failures – squandering a budgetary surplus, lying the country into a bull**** war, torture, politicization of the DOJ, tax cuts for the wealthy and ridiculous spending during a tanking economy, the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, total failure to address urgent national challenges like crumbling infrastructure and the health care crisis – continue to cripple the country.
Peter writes: Anyone else notice how Victor keeps conveniently ignoring the true facts?
Once again, shall we?
squandering a budgetary surplus…
Better than OBAMA running up a deficit in 6 months that tops the deficits of ALL 43 PRESIDENTS that preceeded him and ever budget for 233 years!
lying the country into a bull**** war
Still waiting for you, VICTOR, to state one lie Bush told. Again, ALL INTELLIGENCE gathered by not only the US, but our forein allies, showed Saddam and Iraq was dangerous. Congress (Including the DEMS, dumbo!) all read the exact same intel Bush read, and you know what? They agreed! Saddam and Iraq was dangerous! It probably didn’t help that the homicidal dictator, who was known to have GASSED HIS OWN PEOPLE passed on false intel that made it appear he was better armed than he actually was, but that doesn’t negate the fact that A) he still had all his plans for WMD’s literally at his fingertips ready to be put back into production at a moment’s notice (From the May 22, 2004 edition of the New Yoork Times: And after that, Dr. Obeidi said, Sddam ordered him under penalty of death to keep the technology available to resume Iraq’s nuke program at a moment’s notice.
Dr. Obeidi said he buried “the full set of blueprints, designs – everything to restart the centrifuge program – along with some critical components of the centrifuge” under the garden of his Baghdad home.
“I had to maintain the program to the bitter end,” he explained. All the while the Iraqi physicist was aware that he held the key to Saddam’s continuing nuclear ambitions.)
I still DARE you to show one example of Bush lying.
torture
Obama said he would NOT RULE OUT ANY FORM OF INTERROGATION! http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13474
politicization of the DOJ
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/08/24/US_justice_department_to_investigate_CIA_over_interrogation_/
Sounds like a clear cut case of politicization to me…
the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping
Both programs OBAMA is KEEPING!
total failure to address urgent national challenges like crumbling infrastructure and the health care crisis
Trying to ram a health care bill that will do nothing but increase everyone’s taxes, cripple our health services industry, and put another full 16% of the economy under government oversite and control
Sorry, Victor, but by your own standards, Obama is already worse than Bush on his worst day.
So both YOU and all your libtard friends can take your “It’s Bush’s Fault” cry and crawl back under the rocks you crawled out from under.
What more outrageous act does it take to show that this Congress and Obama and his czars are taking the U.S. to communism?
179. Lynn:
Been shopping for your burka and koran yet?
176. Now and Then:
177. Victor:
Get real; Blame GOD!
You know, when I started seeing Victor pop up on here, I had such high hopes that perhaps we might have someone with whom to conduct intelligent debate, unlike the typical trolls we always see.
But now I see all we have is another typical libtard troll with the same typical troll Dem script talking points. “Bush lied!” “Obama is God!” “You’re stupid!” “I’m not listening, la la la la, I can’t hear you, my fingers are in my ears!”
If this is the best the Libs can send our way (the best money can buy, perhaps) then I have all that much more confidence for 2010 and 2012.
174 Moho: Sorry dingbat, my opinion counts just as much as yours. Since you seem to be immoral, I’m guessing mine counts for more actually.
Glad I don’t have friends like you.
When we’ve got people who would rather collect cans than honor the 9/11 dead the country is in dire straights.
Making this really easy, fellas:
187. AThinkingPerson:
When we’ve got people who would rather collect cans than honor the 9/11 dead the country is in dire straights.
It’s – collect cans IN honor of the 9/11 dead.
Frankly, I think it’s pathetic that you’d prefer to sit on your duff watching television or doing whatever it is that you do here – gee, that’s something new and special – to honor the 9/11 dead. Way to get out of your all-too-obvious rut.
184. Cybergeezer:
“Get real; Blame GOD!”
How about you tell him that for me?
‘Some might find the following a benignly public-spirited initiative. In April, the White House signed legislation that established September 11 as an “annually recognized National Day of Service and Remembrance.”’
Looks like a bunch of millionaires who collect fat salaries and unbelievable perqs telling the rest of us we ought to work for free to me.
I do think it’s a political hijacking, but I believe the passengers will fight back.
However much the Dems may roll their eyes at 9-11, the panicked calls this summer when another plane was flying too close to some buildings prove that the fear didn’t need any ‘mongering,’ and that it’s not going to be magically turned into rainbows and trust falls with a ‘volunteer day.’
N & T (188)
I wrote: Which do you prefer, Inauguration Day 2009 or Obama Day 2009? You decide which day is the appropriate date after which Obama becomes responsible for his own decisions.
You ignored it.
I figured you’d select neither. As usual, liberal, progressive, socialist, liars want to have all the authority but never be held responsible for what their exercise of that authority causes. That’s exactly why Obama is such a good window on the soul of the democrat party and its supporters; neither the party nor the individuals supporting that party have accepted responsibility for anything for more than 30 years.
Obama and those supporting him in and out of elected office, are the result of the elitist idea that they are little snowflakes, so special we dare not burden them with being held accountable for their own actions, and entitled to control the lives of those they consider unenlightened. Things have reached the tipping point and all the little snowflakes WILL be held responsible for their own actions. This time, they’ll not be able to shift the responsibility for their own actions onto others.
The Democrat Party has:
Regulated, taxed, and encumbered the citizenry and future generations to the status of serfs
Regularly fought to deny citizens their rights as enumerated in the Bill of Rights
Ignored the rights of the States in obvious and direct contradiction to the Constitution
Enacted legislation that ignores and undermines the Constitution
Consistently violated election laws and regulations to illegally obtain and retain elected offices
Socialized industries and financial institutions they have no Constitutional authority to control
Yielded US sovereignty to international bodies and other nations
Unconstitutionally appointed “Czars” not answerable to the representatives of the people
Reasonable people can no longer argue that the Democrat Party is not intent on ending the United States as a Constitutional Republic and intends no harm to the people of these United States. Those who would so argue simply reveal their own agreement with the ending of our Constitutional government.
It is past time to remove all democrats from all offices they hold. The party of secession, KKK racist repression, government induced economic depression, racist federal economic enslavement, failure to secure our borders, and illegal nationalization of financial and industrial institutions, should be recognized for the anti-Constitution, anti-American, pro socialist, party that it is and placed on the trash pile of history beside the failed communist governments it seeks to recreate here.
The normal reaction to these criminals of simply voting individual elected democrats out of office while leaving their illegal organization intact is no longer sufficient. The Democrat Party, rather than initiating their own partisan investigation of the CIA, needs to be the object of investigation and mass indictments under the RICO Act, the same act they interpret so broadly that they would apply it to citizens who band together to peacefully protest their eugenics driven abortion centers (and will no doubt soon seek to apply to opponents of healthcare legislation). Furthermore, individual democrats who have openly advocated an end to our constitutional government should be tried for sedition if not treason.
Have a nice day
192. Rashputin wrote:
N & T (188)
I wrote: Which do you prefer, Inauguration Day 2009 or Obama Day 2009? You decide which day is the appropriate date after which Obama becomes responsible for his own decisions.
You ignored it.
Peter suggests: Perhaps he was emulating his hero and just voted “present”?
I’m still waiting for Victor to tell me one single lie he can prove Bush told!
Again, another “present” vote.
165. BettyBlue:
“Past time to stop blaming everything on Bush.”
U can’t change History.
170. Bob Miller:
“Hey Victor,
Did you notice that Obama found ways to tank the economy even faster? ”
Not according to the latest stats.
What? Obama needs a National Service Day so volunteers can pick up all the trash that his supporters left behind at his inauguration. Didn’t he make a speech about taking responsibility for yourself. And of course his supporters responded by trashing Washington D.C. Yep, sounds about right.
http://underthehill.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/obamas-100-tons-of-trash/
Historic! According to the Washington Post!
Yea, pick up leftist’s trash on September 11, 2009
Obama’s 100 tons of trash. Clean up on aisle ONE! Any volunteers?
194. Peter the Bubblehead:
“I’m still waiting for Victor to tell me one single lie he can prove Bush told!”
Why wait?
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20031013/corn
http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/bushlies1.html
http://www.bushlies.net/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/01/30/notes013008.DTL
196. Lynn:
Have you been to New Orleans lately? That’s the problem with you conservatives, no perspective. your only goal in life is to be offended. Broaden your view a bit. Seek challenge and the reward it brings. Help somebody who needs it.
189. Anonymous:
I did; That’s where I got the idea!
Sure, but now and then could you PICK UP AFTER YOURSELF? Ya know take personal responsiblity for your actions, then we could have plenty left over to help PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT.
Try it, and every day might be a service day.
@198. Now and Then: – Have you been to New Orleans lately?
For what possible purpose?
Oh, wait… what possible purpose OTHER THAN to see, first-hand, the level of ignorance it takes to CHOOSE to live in a city that is built below sea level, situated on the coast and surrounded by water and swampland, within the 100-year flood plain of the Mississippi River, in an area that is pummeled every other year by some of the most violent storms on the planet, I mean.
201 goy
And Tornado Alley? The Gulf Coast? The Atlantic Coast? The Pacific Coast? On or near any of the fault lines crisscrossing this country? Wild fire zones? Avalanche zones? Tell me, where you gonna live without danger? That was a pretty lame . . . what do you call it again, a strawtard argument?
You’re not that good, but you’re better than that.
@198. Now and Then: – Have you been to New Orleans lately?
You mean the city of, “those buses aren’t good enough” in the state of, “No, Mr. President, I will not declare a state of emergency until after the storm has come ashore”?
Yes, I have. The city officials are doing quite well having given themselves raises, although the police have far fewer people to intimidate into paying them protraction money. You can understand why, I’m sure, since they bunkered themselves and their families up and said, “to hell you jerks” to the city they were supposed to serve and protect. Like all democrats they covered their own butts and when the crisis had passed rushed out to blame other people for both the hurricane and the aftermath without doing a thing themselves (and yes, you had to be a registered democrat to get a job with the police, fire department, etc., etc., in New Orleans and it’s been that way for 90 years). Like all democrats, the city government and state government looked out for themselves and blamed others for their own failures. On top of that run-of-the-mill democrat criminal negligence, residents of New Orleans found out for the first time that they would not lose their benefits if they moved out of New Orleans, so large numbers of former residents haven’t returned to that democrat run welfare plantation.
When will Obama accept responsibility for his own actions? Since Inauguration Day 2009 or after 9/11 2009?
We know you refuse responsibility, little snowflake, so go lie elsewhere.
Have a day
Those democrat, socialist, progressive, parrots here defending the special day Obama chose to have on each 9/11 need to explain why it is that anyone who is in part responsible for jobs of any sort within the Obama administration should be this sort of person:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108180
No, there is no reason to believe that Obama would want to keep the Muslim attack on the WTC off the front burner each 9/11, he would never sympathise with Muslims to the point that he would ignore the attack on our nation and the losses we incurred. Why, he’d never condone anyone else doing so either!!
Ok, unique snowflakes, tell us again why someone who would appoint to any job someone who had reacted to 9/11 as this person did unless they agreed with their views.
We know, he’s not responsible, it’s a little mistake, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.
Regards
@202. Now and Then: – Tell me, where you gonna live without danger?
It’s quite revealing to see that you can’t seem to write a post – let alone make a point – without the use of a logical fallacy.
You’ve deliberately conflated the arguably suicidal behavior of tempting fate against a virtually guaranteed event – i.e., the flooding of New Orleans, such as it’s situated – with that of living in far more pervasive, and far less dangerous, living situations. You did leave out one glaringly stupid equivalent, however, which would be the morons who keep re-building cantilevered homes on the sides of hills in Love Creek, Ben Lomond, Boulder Creek and the surrounding area north of Santa Cruz, which sees catastrophic mud slides with clock-like regularity. Sorry, those people aren’t “victims” either.
- …what do you call it again, a strawtard argument?
No, really, you simply must go look it up, since you obviously haven’t the slightest clue what it refers to.
At what point can we finally start the process to bring Obama up on grounds of treason? He has already done enough violating his oath to uphold the Constitution to be easily impeached.
As long as we can expose what is most likely to be the most blatant attempt to corrupt our electoral process in the history of this nation(the Census); this is going to be a complete political massacre of the Democratic party over the next few years’ elections.
205 goy
“arguably suicidal behavior of tempting fate against a virtually guaranteed event”
Tell me, what does “virtually guaranteed” mean? Throw in “arguably suicidal” while you’re at it. I’m guessing the people who have lived in New Orleans over the last 300 years would disagree with that. (This is where you tell me, there are no 300-year-olds living in New Orleans.) Oh, hell, let’s go the whole nine and consider “tempting fate” too. You lost your momentum before you got it. You just can’t help yourself. Back to ontology 101 for you I’m afraid. You have issues with the nature of existence. Here’s a hint, it’s not kind of unique. Study a bit and come back. I’m virtually guaranteed to be around.
@207. Now and Then: – what does “virtually guaranteed” mean?
Sometimes the red pill, constitutes an escalating probability of disaster.
Sometimes the red pill is just a pill.
208. goy:
Warning! Suicidal Oakies afoot!
http://newsok.com/more-earthquakes-reported-in-central-oklahoma/article/3396369?custom_click=headlines_widget
209. Now and Then: – Suicidal Oakies afoot!
– The largest earthquake was registered as 3.7 magnitude on the Richter scale Thursday night in Jones. … No damages have been reported. … Anyone who felt the quake…
So in your world, a 3.7 mag quake – which many folks apparently didn’t notice because a 3.7 can barely be distinguished from a semi driving past your house – is equivalent to a Cat 5 Hurricane that wreaked havoc over a region the size of Britain and pushed a 15-foot storm swell toward a city situated below sea level, eh?
Okay.
That should provide everything we need for your diagnosis.
Watch your email for the detailed analysis. In the meantime, you should refrain from operating heavy machinery, driving a vehicle, piloting an aircraft or handling any sharp object. Basically, just go to your room and stay there until someone comes for you.
Have a day.
Moho wrote: “Silecedogood…I’d be surprised if you knew anything about Van Jones. This is a fairly good place to start.”
Moho then went on to praise this man Van Jones. Moho, here’s a more sobering view of your idol.
Here’s Barry’s new Green “Czar” in his own words: “I met all these young radical people of color – I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of… I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary…I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th..By August, I was a communist.”
Yep, just the kind of guy to be in charge of Barry’s new green economy.
Oh, but don’t you see, Silence’? Mussolini made the same basic transition.
He started out a devout Socialist, but became disillusioned with the communism (international socialism) of Marx and Lenin. He thus invented fascism (national socialism).
And at the time, the world sang his praises for having discovered a “Third Way”. But then the Nazis demonstrated what happens to a nation that openly accepts and implements the policies of national socialism. Then they hung Mussolini’s dead body by its ankles in the city square.
So, Jones is “no longer a communist”.
Just like BHO is “no longer a marxist”.
They’re both corporatist/fascist totalitarians, as their behavior clearly demonstrates: everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.
They just think they’re smarter than the Nazis and the fascists.
And they think they’re smarter than everyone else as well.
210. goy:
You really should avoid attempts at humor – you suffer from C&B Syndrome (Cheetos and Basement Syndrome). It’s just plain lazy to trot out that same old crap over and over and over – You’re Like Hannity without any money. Of course, your telling references to diagnosis and analysis (suite) prove you are at least studying the posts of the master. But it is a long journey, my middle-aged misanthrope, one that takes tremendous courage and sacrifice. Embark if you must. Andif this is yoru choice, notify me and I will gladly lend you my Purple Heart to serve as introduction to the doubters you encounter along the way. Still I must advise you that wisdom suggests at this late stage in your life you should stick with data manipulation and maudlin self-righteousness. Leave the funny stuff to us professionals. As the hippies used to say – it’s not your “thing.” It IS, however, your choice. Isn’t choice wonderful?
@213. Now and Then: – It’s just plain lazy to trot out that same old crap over and over and over…
You would know, since trotting out the same old crap over and over and over is all you’ve been doing. That’s pretty much the definition of ‘troll’.
… I will gladly lend you my Purple Heart …
Even if you actually had one it’d be worthless now that you’ve pissed on the concept.
214. goy:
“Even if you actually had one it’d be worthless now that you’ve pissed on the concept.”
Concept . . . yeah, well, it’s not a concept to me. It’s a memory. Mind your mouth.
@215. Now and Then: – Concept . . . yeah, well, it’s not a concept to me.
Ah, so now you’re claiming you pissed on the real thing. No one will be surprised by this.
- It’s a memory. Mind your mouth.
Troll.
216. I’m a reasonable man. But you stepped in it goy boy. I never pissed on anything except your appropriation of the service and bravery of other men, your own family no less, in a vain attempt to be one of us. Well, you’re not one of us, are you? And by the sounds of it, whether by limitation of age or lack of heart, you never will be. There’s only one word left. Anytime.
@217. Now and Then: – I’m a reasonable man.
Oh, you’re a man!!?
Well, that clears up a few things.
But reasonable? Eh… not so much. Your irrational, fallacy-laden, easily debunked commentary doesn’t indicate much in the way of ‘reasonable’. In fact it’s about as UN-reasonable as the notion of hijacking a day of remembrance to push the collectivist agenda.
- But you stepped in it goy boy.
Wow. An adolescent response! Who could possibly have seen THAT coming!
- I never pissed on anything…
Err… you do realize that anyone else can read your posts up there, right? Maybe you should too. You made an arrogant and stupid comment. You were called on your arrogance. Rather than admit your arrogance and apologize, you chose to turn the issue into a pissing contest about honor you claim to have earned but which, based on your disrespectful, degenerate attitude toward the subject, you clearly have not. You’re not fooling anyone, bubba.
- Anytime.
Typical. Out of ideas, you resort to empty bravado. Moral adolescence made manifest. Thanks for continuing to make my point and bringing this thread back on topic by demonstrating the moral immaturity of the angry American left. It’s always useful to witness it… ‘in the wild’, so-to-speak.
In case you’re keeping score (I am) you’re now doing better than BC in supporting every element of my thesis. Please don’t stop!
218. goy:
- Anytime . . .It’s a man thing, I don’t expect you to understand.
@219. Now and Then: – Anytime . . .It’s a man thing
Technically, it’s a chickensh!t, anonymous-threat-on-an-intertubes-discussion-board-by-some-angry-adolescent-socialist-dweeb-who-likes-to-talk-smack-as-long-as-there’s-no-chance-of-a-real-life-confrontation “thing”.
“Men” – just like you – have been doing this “thing” since CompuServe first offered dial-up services back in the ’80s.
It’s just as lame and revealing now as it was then.
220 goy
“Blow it out your diseased rectum, troll.” . . . a chickensh!t, anonymous-threat-on-an-intertubes-discussion-board-by-some-angry-old-fascist-dweeb-who-likes-to-talk-smack-as-long-as-there’s-no-chance-of-a-real-life-confrontation “thing”.
You gotta think first, joy. Think. Think. I know it’s hard for some folks. Might even hurt a little bit. But it’s really important. You can’t spend EVERY day watching Arthur Duncan dance up and down steps on Lawrence Welk Show reruns and expect to remain relevant.
You’re angry. That’s clear. Angry because you’ve been shown to suffer that classic and pervasive conservative weakness – you’re arbitrary. I know you spend a lot of time trying to make people think you’re smart. But there will always be that deep and inaccessible layer of people who know better. It’s like the difference between talking about daddy’s Purple Heart and having one of your own. You’ll suffer less of the angst so evident in your posts if you focus on those real Americans who DON’T know better – tea baggers and wannabe heroes and carpetbagging militarists like yourself. Think and focus. That oughtta keep you busy until the next special appearance by Jon Voight on Huckabee.
Eh? Did you write something that changed any of the facts up above, NnT?
Why no. No, you didn’t.
Heh. Funny, that.
Enjoy straw-man-land and your fantasies of being a mindreader, bubba.
I invoke the rules of engagement situated at the top. Cease and desist.
Worthless.
223. Robohobo:
Yeah, that goy, always taking it one step too far. Invoke! In the name of all that is worthless! Invoke!
It is beyond a disgrace as is this man who now sits in the White House. His agenda is frightening – control the people – tax them to death – dishonor our military and our great country. I truly believe in the near future his days will be numbered he will be a lame duck President.