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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-39629</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 08:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cnnr:

&quot;Those tactics are not only pissing off Obama supporters, but are pissing off the Democratic party establishment, even if they’re not voicing it now out of respect for Bill’s prominence in the party.&quot;

Wrong. Most of the Democrats who are pissed off and not saying so out loud aren&#039;t doing so out of respect for the Clinton legacy. They&#039;re keeping quiet for the same reason the superdelegates won&#039;t commit early: they&#039;re terrified of the Clinton wrath, which is famously long-memoried, and also famously vindictive. If anyone shows any opposition to her triumphal march to victory, they essentially are writing off any chance to have any part in her administration should she win, now, or *ever*. The Clintons have never valued loyalty to the Democratic Party (never mind the country); loyalty to the two of them has always been the only thing that really mattered. Everyone in the party leadership is just running scared because she&#039;s basically announced that she gets to be the nominee, even if she can&#039;t convince anyone to vote for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cnnr:</p>
<p>&#8220;Those tactics are not only pissing off Obama supporters, but are pissing off the Democratic party establishment, even if they’re not voicing it now out of respect for Bill’s prominence in the party.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong. Most of the Democrats who are pissed off and not saying so out loud aren&#8217;t doing so out of respect for the Clinton legacy. They&#8217;re keeping quiet for the same reason the superdelegates won&#8217;t commit early: they&#8217;re terrified of the Clinton wrath, which is famously long-memoried, and also famously vindictive. If anyone shows any opposition to her triumphal march to victory, they essentially are writing off any chance to have any part in her administration should she win, now, or *ever*. The Clintons have never valued loyalty to the Democratic Party (never mind the country); loyalty to the two of them has always been the only thing that really mattered. Everyone in the party leadership is just running scared because she&#8217;s basically announced that she gets to be the nominee, even if she can&#8217;t convince anyone to vote for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Believer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-39525</link>
		<dc:creator>Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those interested, as I have been, in discovering the origins of Obama&#039;s political life in Chicago, I&#039;ve found some information at:

   globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/04/who-sent-obama.html

that may help fill in some blanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested, as I have been, in discovering the origins of Obama&#8217;s political life in Chicago, I&#8217;ve found some information at:</p>
<p>   globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/04/who-sent-obama.html</p>
<p>that may help fill in some blanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawnfire82</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-39477</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawnfire82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hold_that_tiger: Half truths and rhetoric.

McCarthy was also destroyed and committed suicide by drink under the Eisenhower administration. Eisenhower himself was a political opponent of McCarthy. Nixon’s “War on Drugs” originating with the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 was passed by an absolute DEMOCRATIC majority in both houses of Congress. (234/192 in the HoR, 57/43 in the Senate) Your &#039;continued assault on Roe v Wade&#039; is a myth based on lies. The fact is, that decision was unsoundly founded and a case of judicial activism at the time, which stamped on the State&#039;s rights you pretend to care about in your very next sentence. The fact that it has stood for decades and since been integrated into the American political landscape mocks the very idea of a &#039;continued assault.&#039;

And I&#039;m confused on how covert surveillance of terrorism suspects &#039;limits&#039; your liberty, especially since the whole point is to track people who abuse that &#039;liberty&#039; to kill Americans. I suppose that it&#039;s also worthy to note that the &#039;so called PATRIOT Act&#039; was passed by bi-partisan coalitions not once, not twice, but three times since 2001.

Lastly, I&#039;m amazed that you can say that &#039;redistribution of wealth&#039; by Democrats is laughable in the same paragraph that you cite past 90% tax rates, passed by Democrats.

But please, ignore me, as I fully expect you to. This isn&#039;t directed towards you, because I&#039;m an evil, stupid, ignorant rightist whose out to create a new fascism and you&#039;re too smart to fall for my low cunning. This is directed towards others who might actually buy your statements. A twisted historical memory and completely sincere hypocrisy; the intellectual contributions of the modern Democratic party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold_that_tiger: Half truths and rhetoric.</p>
<p>McCarthy was also destroyed and committed suicide by drink under the Eisenhower administration. Eisenhower himself was a political opponent of McCarthy. Nixon’s “War on Drugs” originating with the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 was passed by an absolute DEMOCRATIC majority in both houses of Congress. (234/192 in the HoR, 57/43 in the Senate) Your &#8216;continued assault on Roe v Wade&#8217; is a myth based on lies. The fact is, that decision was unsoundly founded and a case of judicial activism at the time, which stamped on the State&#8217;s rights you pretend to care about in your very next sentence. The fact that it has stood for decades and since been integrated into the American political landscape mocks the very idea of a &#8216;continued assault.&#8217;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m confused on how covert surveillance of terrorism suspects &#8216;limits&#8217; your liberty, especially since the whole point is to track people who abuse that &#8216;liberty&#8217; to kill Americans. I suppose that it&#8217;s also worthy to note that the &#8216;so called PATRIOT Act&#8217; was passed by bi-partisan coalitions not once, not twice, but three times since 2001.</p>
<p>Lastly, I&#8217;m amazed that you can say that &#8216;redistribution of wealth&#8217; by Democrats is laughable in the same paragraph that you cite past 90% tax rates, passed by Democrats.</p>
<p>But please, ignore me, as I fully expect you to. This isn&#8217;t directed towards you, because I&#8217;m an evil, stupid, ignorant rightist whose out to create a new fascism and you&#8217;re too smart to fall for my low cunning. This is directed towards others who might actually buy your statements. A twisted historical memory and completely sincere hypocrisy; the intellectual contributions of the modern Democratic party.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie, Columbia, SC</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-39400</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie, Columbia, SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I am dead set against Obama offering Clinton any position in the Obama Administration, I&#039;d like to remind everyone of the following:

Hillary will never accept the VP position, she would not be happy playing &#039;second fiddle.&#039;  PLUS, we all have to remember that:  With Hillary&#039;s now known TESTICULAR FORTITUDE - She MUST be the one wearing the pants.

Let&#039;s just hurry up and get the remaining primaries over with so we can help to welcome President Obama!

Hillary, don&#039;t go away mad, JUST GO AWAY!!  (And take Bill with you).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I am dead set against Obama offering Clinton any position in the Obama Administration, I&#8217;d like to remind everyone of the following:</p>
<p>Hillary will never accept the VP position, she would not be happy playing &#8216;second fiddle.&#8217;  PLUS, we all have to remember that:  With Hillary&#8217;s now known TESTICULAR FORTITUDE &#8211; She MUST be the one wearing the pants.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just hurry up and get the remaining primaries over with so we can help to welcome President Obama!</p>
<p>Hillary, don&#8217;t go away mad, JUST GO AWAY!!  (And take Bill with you).</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-39291</link>
		<dc:creator>Smokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out Hillary here:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/d0a842c3d2

You&#039;ll be glad you did!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Hillary here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/d0a842c3d2" rel="nofollow">http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/d0a842c3d2</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be glad you did!</p>
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		<title>By: Believer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-39256</link>
		<dc:creator>Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than respond to what you&#039;ve written, I will instead direct you to what inspired me first to post a comment - actually, numerous comments in that thread alone - at PJM: Chetwynd&#039;s Open Letter to Senator Obama.

I hope you access it and read the letter in its entirety. 

There are laws that are of far greater importance to our lives than the laws of man. And there are things far higher to which we might devote our energies. I am as guilty as any of forgetting this.

I hope you find yourself blessed - as many of us have - by the message Mr. Chetwynd shares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than respond to what you&#8217;ve written, I will instead direct you to what inspired me first to post a comment &#8211; actually, numerous comments in that thread alone &#8211; at PJM: Chetwynd&#8217;s Open Letter to Senator Obama.</p>
<p>I hope you access it and read the letter in its entirety. </p>
<p>There are laws that are of far greater importance to our lives than the laws of man. And there are things far higher to which we might devote our energies. I am as guilty as any of forgetting this.</p>
<p>I hope you find yourself blessed &#8211; as many of us have &#8211; by the message Mr. Chetwynd shares.</p>
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		<title>By: Hold_That_Tiger</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-39164</link>
		<dc:creator>Hold_That_Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;His “solutions” offer more government intervention in our lives - anathema to the conservative - and he speaks openly of redistributing wealth. Now these might appeal to you, and you will cast your vote accordingly.&quot;

This is a joke right? Conservatives against government intervention in our lives? Yeah right. Oh they pay lip service to this notion, but in practice? No. Ever hear of McCarthyism? It Flourished under Eisenhower. Consider the war against chronic pain patients in this country exacerbated by Nixon&#039;s &quot;War on Drugs&quot; which saw the establishment of a LE agency that regularly intrudes itself upon the doctor-patient relationship and de facto makes medical care decisions that harm some patients: the DEA (whose establishment also gutted the 4th amendment), I also think that the continued assault on Roe v Wade which guarentees a woman&#039;s right to privacy vis a vis her reproductive decisions is an obvious intervention into a citizen&#039;s private life; as well as the Bush policy to pursue those State Laws they don&#039;t agree with: Medical Marijuana, Oregon&#039;s &quot;Death with Dignity&quot; Law despite, yet again, declaring that State&#039;s Rights is a Conservative position. And don&#039;t even get me started on secret surveillance of Americans without warrent, and other liberty limiting parts of the so called &quot;Patriot Act.&quot;

As for &quot;redistribution of wealth&quot; what a bunch of nonsense, our system works on a progressive tax system and has done so since 1913. The mandate has always been economic fairness. Bush was able to tilt the system to favor those in the 1% tax bracket at the expense of the other 99% of American tax payers (even McCain commented on the unfairness of the Bush tax cuts when he voted No on them initally, that is before he realized that honesty in this matter was a losing proposition with his &quot;base&quot;); Obama is only proposing a return to the parity upon which the tax code was based. By the way, we should stop whining about our taxes, the top tax brackets have paid as much as 90% in certain years since 1913; even in 1954 the wealthy were paying 50%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His “solutions” offer more government intervention in our lives &#8211; anathema to the conservative &#8211; and he speaks openly of redistributing wealth. Now these might appeal to you, and you will cast your vote accordingly.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a joke right? Conservatives against government intervention in our lives? Yeah right. Oh they pay lip service to this notion, but in practice? No. Ever hear of McCarthyism? It Flourished under Eisenhower. Consider the war against chronic pain patients in this country exacerbated by Nixon&#8217;s &#8220;War on Drugs&#8221; which saw the establishment of a LE agency that regularly intrudes itself upon the doctor-patient relationship and de facto makes medical care decisions that harm some patients: the DEA (whose establishment also gutted the 4th amendment), I also think that the continued assault on Roe v Wade which guarentees a woman&#8217;s right to privacy vis a vis her reproductive decisions is an obvious intervention into a citizen&#8217;s private life; as well as the Bush policy to pursue those State Laws they don&#8217;t agree with: Medical Marijuana, Oregon&#8217;s &#8220;Death with Dignity&#8221; Law despite, yet again, declaring that State&#8217;s Rights is a Conservative position. And don&#8217;t even get me started on secret surveillance of Americans without warrent, and other liberty limiting parts of the so called &#8220;Patriot Act.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for &#8220;redistribution of wealth&#8221; what a bunch of nonsense, our system works on a progressive tax system and has done so since 1913. The mandate has always been economic fairness. Bush was able to tilt the system to favor those in the 1% tax bracket at the expense of the other 99% of American tax payers (even McCain commented on the unfairness of the Bush tax cuts when he voted No on them initally, that is before he realized that honesty in this matter was a losing proposition with his &#8220;base&#8221;); Obama is only proposing a return to the parity upon which the tax code was based. By the way, we should stop whining about our taxes, the top tax brackets have paid as much as 90% in certain years since 1913; even in 1954 the wealthy were paying 50%.</p>
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		<title>By: Agoraphobic Plumber</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-39108</link>
		<dc:creator>Agoraphobic Plumber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Those comfortable with the red/blue state polarized politics are right to be afraid, because Obama could destroy their politics and even their livelihoods.&quot;

I&#039;m not all that attached to &quot;polarized politics&quot;, but destroying my livelihood is EXACTLY what I&#039;m afraid that a babe-in-the-woods like Obama will do.  Probably not on purpose, but intent isn&#039;t that important when you&#039;re talking about the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those comfortable with the red/blue state polarized politics are right to be afraid, because Obama could destroy their politics and even their livelihoods.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not all that attached to &#8220;polarized politics&#8221;, but destroying my livelihood is EXACTLY what I&#8217;m afraid that a babe-in-the-woods like Obama will do.  Probably not on purpose, but intent isn&#8217;t that important when you&#8217;re talking about the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: bandit</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-39078</link>
		<dc:creator>bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama wins with Hilary as VP he&#039;d better have a full time food taster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama wins with Hilary as VP he&#8217;d better have a full time food taster</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/a-defeated-hillarys-best-bet/#comment-38985</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 03:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Hillary need the Democratic Party? 

Just a hypothetical, but could she run as third party candidate? Technicals aside, could she steal enough Republican voters who aren&#039;t happy with McCain and steal enough Democratic voters who don&#039;t like Obama? In a three-way race, it&#039;s hard for a dominant player to emerge

Just speculating here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Hillary need the Democratic Party? </p>
<p>Just a hypothetical, but could she run as third party candidate? Technicals aside, could she steal enough Republican voters who aren&#8217;t happy with McCain and steal enough Democratic voters who don&#8217;t like Obama? In a three-way race, it&#8217;s hard for a dominant player to emerge</p>
<p>Just speculating here.</p>
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