130 Million Strong: Al-Qaeda’s Deep Muslim Support
On December 2, 2010, the Pew Research Center released the results of a new poll of six Muslim countries that sheds a surprising new light on the number of Muslims worldwide that support al-Qaeda. (The six countries polled: Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey.) The report reveals that majorities of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims neither support al-Qaeda nor believe that suicide bombings are ever justified in defense of Islam. Osama bin Laden, the poll reveals, “receives overwhelmingly negative ratings in nearly all countries” asked about him.
The Pew report coincides with an al-Qaeda video distributed on October 23, 2010. In it, al-Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn airs al-Qaeda’s poor view of the majority of Muslims. According to Gadahn, one part of the global Muslim community is apostate; another is victim to lustful, worldly influences; and a third (perhaps largest) portion has lost the ability to think for themselves, allowing clerics to turn them against al-Qaeda and the jihad.
While it is good news that the majority of the world’s Muslim population repudiates al-Qaeda, and vice versa, we in the West cannot take too much comfort. Pew also provides each polled country’s percentages of support for al-Qaeda: 34 percent of Jordanians, 49 percent of Nigerian Muslims, 3 percent of Lebanese, 20 percent of Egyptians, 23 percent of Indonesians, 18 percent of Pakistanis, and 4 percent of Turks. In real numbers, the total is staggering. A whopping 129,942,000 Muslims support al-Qaeda. That’s right, almost 130 million Muslims support al-Qaeda — and that from just the six countries Pew’s pollsters visited.
As the Pew organization admits, pollsters couldn’t conduct their research in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) in Pakistan, where al-Qaeda and the Taliban rule. Undoubtedly, if the residents of the FATA were polled, the number of al-Qaeda supporters in Pakistan would rise significantly. One can only imagine how high this number would rise if Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Saudi Arabia were polled.
That’s scary.
Aren’t we lucky that islam is a religion of peace……right?
Islam must be recognized and declared as a terrorist organization.
Al-Qaeda is simply the evil spawn of of an evil totalitarian ideology founded by one of the most evil men in the pantheon of evil…Muhammed.
To understand how evil Islam is, people should exam the life of the founder of Islam, Muhammed.
Muhammed was a murderer, a savage torturer, a brutal amputator, a heartless beheader, a kidnapper, a serial rapist, a sexual deviant, a child rapist, a perfidious liar, a looting stealing thief, a genocidist and self proclaimed terrorist.
Muhammed was in word, deed and spirit the anti-Christ. Muhammed was in every way the anti-Buddha. Muhammed is Islam’s achilles heel, and when the truth of Muhammed is exposed the ‘moral’ and ideological foundation of Islam collapses.
~ The Infidel Alliance
“Muhammed was a murderer, a savage torturer……”
Just a regular kind of guy in 600AD eh?
Its sad that violence and killing is so normal for muslims…
I do not contest anything you say except for your first sentence. I hope the other sentences get lotsa exposure, but the first sentence goes too far. Islam is more than a totalitarian political program. It is more than the ideas of the founder. We have to admit there there is some religion there. We have to grant every human the right to religion. Remember the Declaration of Independence. God gave all humans certain rights, among them freedom of thought. We have to balance the rights against each other, so that one man’s right is not another mans persecution or execution. We can promote freedom of religion and resist the crimes motivated by religion. We have done that for a long time. We can win if we try real hard. We must live up to our ideals. We must never adopt the unethical behavior of the enemy.
One HUGE problem with your thought:
“God gave all humans certain rights, among them freedom of thought”
This, my friend is a CHRISTIAN ideal, not a MUSLIM ideal.
Allah does NOT give you rights, you are not free to think for yourself.. You are to submit to him, and follow his way upon the pain of death.
THERE IS NO CHOICE IN ISLAM.
You must KILL all who do not follow, even other Muslims who are lacking in their full submission to him (see: honor killings)
The problem is, mutual respect can only be applied to those willing to reciprocate, and Muslims most decidedly do NOT.
To do so is a DEATH SENTENTENCE in their cult of hate
Islam = Terror
Muslims lie about everything its what they do in fact HYPOCRISY is a Pillar of Islam. They tell Islam means PEACE when it really means SUBMISSION they tell you “Allahu Ackbar” means God is great when it really means ‘MY God is the GREATEST’ thus revealing Islams Polytheistic roots and SUPREMACIST nature. But what is really frightening is that moonbats fall for it all the time when the truth is out there and always has been. Just like it has for HUSSEIN the Lying Mohammedan Bogus POTUS Usurper.
I imagine polls in late 1920s Germany were similar. The only thing holding militant Islam back is that itis grasp of technology is embryonic. That’ll change soon-and when it does, look out.
A former CIA officer ought to know better:
That’s the number of persons polled in those countries who were willing to admit their support of al-Qaeda to a (hopefully neutral) pollster under conditions of relative secrecy; nothing more than that. There are far more important questions to be asked than “Do you support al Qaeda’s contentions and methods?” How about:
…and how about putting that question to the Muslims polled in a roomful of other Muslims, each of them identifiable to all the others by name and face?
It’s unwise to believe polls. It’s been established repeatedly that a poll is most likely to tell its creators what they want to hear. Landon and Dewey believed polls.
Francis,
It would be very difficult, and quite dangerous, to conduct the polls you suggest. Regardless, do you dismiss Mr. Fairchild’s findings completely…. the there are probably several hundred million Muslims, throughout the world, sympathetic (and possibly supportive) of Al Qaeda… and that approx 120,000 American Muslims feel that way as well? Fareed Zacharia of the MSM recently castigated Glen Beck for speculating similar numbers on his FOX TV show. Tell us Francis…what numbers would you speculate…. or would you not speculate in this way at all? It appears to me that many on the left are uncomfortable speculating at all. Is this you? And if it is, how would you proceed in evaluating the Muslim situation in this Country, and throughout the world?
Well, “wayne,” inasmuch as I’m not “on the left,”, as you would know if you’d bothered to click my name or do the least little bit of Googling, I’d say your question is misdirected. At any rate, a little research — Ann Coulter actually conducted a little such research, in madrassas here in the United States — reveals that when Muslims are surrounded by their co-religionists, the fraction that declare themselves enthusiastically in favor of Islamic militancy rises spectacularly. Perhaps the reasoning, or the multi-syllable words, fried your mental circuits? Or were you in too much of a hurry to insult someone, and in my scholarly, scrupulous, researcher’s way, meticulous about methodology and context, I seemed like the easiest target?
The mental disease that calls itself Islam is the greatest ongoing threat to life and freedom the West has ever faced — and the reason is hypertrophied Western “tolerance” for “others’ religions.” If we don’t unlearn that mistake quite soon, this lovely prediction will come true:
– and far sooner than anyone expects. But the talking heads have been struggling to convince us that the threat comes from a Tiny Minority of Extremists — that terrorist attacks aren’t representative of “true Islam” — and that therefore, we can be confident that none of those nasties are here within our borders, sheltering among nice, patriotic Muslim-Americans. They say things like, “Well, if only 130 million say they support al-Qaeda, that’s only 10% of Muslims worldwide, and besides, polls are untrustworthy, it can’t be that high, so we can relax and continue to allow unlimited Muslim immigration to the United States!”
By the way, “wayne,” you’ll note that I go by my full name. That’s a matter of policy for me; it compels me to stand behind my words, no matter what I might say on whatever subject. How about giving us your full name, so we can learn what other accusations and innuendoes your haste — or your lack of reading comprehension — has caused you to hurl at others?
Be not too quick to cross swords with an unknown, “wayne.” His might be a lot longer than yours — as now.
Wow Francis, that “we will dominate you” article you linked is an eye-opener! Thanks. And just for Wayne, I think he just misunderstood your first post. I had to re-read it to keep from taking away the impression you were minimalizing the poll results.
Francis,
What an insulting response to my QUESTIONS. I posed several…. sincerely. They were not intended as accusations or innuendo. My apologies if they were taken as such… and for not being in the habit of googling everyone that submits a post here. Moving on, thank you for revealing the rationale for your previous post. And for answering my questions. We happen to agree, to a great extent, about the threat that calls itself Islam. My name is Wayne A. Capurro. If you want to google me… feel free.
A more significant poll would have inquired how many Muslims believe in Islam and its teachings.
It took only a few Saudis (still main donators of Muslim terror) and other Muslims to cause all this crap from 9/11 on. How many of our men and women have been killed or injured for life? How many trillions is this Overseas Contingency Operations going to cost us more?
Yup, I’m happy only a fraction of Islam’s best is supporting al Qaeda.
I’m waiting for the Islam-bomb going off in Iceland.
This is very indicative of Muslims’ mental disorder:
Muslims in [Stockholm Muslim terrorist] bomber’s town get £500,000 to combat terror… but don’t give police a single tip-off
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339633/Muslims-bombers-town-500-000-combat-terror–dont-tip-off.html
That’s what I’ve wondered and would like added to future polls, is how many would tip off if they had knowledge of a planned attack.
They wouldnt do it, and do be surprised or shocked….
Alot of Americans wouldnt tip off the Military about an pending enemy ambush if they had the knowedge…theyre called “journalists”
That question was posed in surveys many times, in Vietnam, Beruit, Panama, Desert Storm, and in our recent adventures in the Sand Box(s).
Answer is always the same…”I cant take sides, I’m an ethical journalist”
Except of course, when it comes to bogus Climate data, smearing the Tea Party, or faking Bush’s National Guard documents…
I don’t understand why so many of you distinguish between Muslim and Islam as if they are different things. Islam is the religion. Muslim is the person who believes in Islam.
Muslim – n.
1. also Mos·lem (mŏz’ləm, mŏs’-) A believer in or adherent of Islam.
Islam – n. (ĭs-läm’, ĭz-, ĭs’läm’, ĭz’-) pronunciation
1. A monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to God and to Muhammad as the chief and last prophet of God.
2.
1. The people or nations that practice Islam; the Muslim world.
2. The civilization developed by the Muslim world.
Apparently not all ‘Muslims’ believe in Islam and its teachings; at least, so we’re being told.
Those who do are jihadis.
Capishe?
This too is very indicative of Muslims’ mental disorder:
Anti-terror police arrest 12 [Muslim] people in nationwide raids
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8213634/Anti-terror-police-arrest-12-people-in-nationwide-raids.html
Well, there are more muslims in India, a secular state, than there are in pakistan. The list of countries polled don’t include bangladesh (a muslim country), either. If you just add these three countries to the poll, you would see the al qaida support rise from 150 million to 300 million, likely much higher than that. The last big parliamentary elections in pakistan was won by a coalition which ran expressly on the platform that Pakistan should not help the West against the terrorists. And that was a LANDSLIDE victory. I forgot the exact numbers but the % were similar to Obama’s winning % (i.e. 60% or 70% or so). Pew research either has no clue about what constitutes the list of most heavily populated muslim regions OR they are deliberately trying to downplay the truth. If they were sincere about knowing how much of the Muslim world directly or indirectely supports al qaida and/or general violent jihad, they would poll muslims in the following list of regions— Indonesia, India, Pakistan, bangladesh, Iran, Malasia, Middle East, and then extrapolate the results to the whole muslim world to the extent statistically possible. In my own expereince with muslim individuals, almost 99% of muslims have built-in tendency to support ANY muslim party against a non-muslim party in ANY conflict whatsoever—regardless of the issue and/or who is right and wrong. And that is because of the fundamental Islamic theocratic dictates straight from Muhammed/Koran down. The essence of the muslim world view is this— there is Dar-ul-Salaam and then there is Dar-ul-harb. The former means the House of Peace i.e. those regions which are already under the flag of Islam, while the rest of humanity is under the latter, meaning The House of War (i.e. nonmuslim regions which MUST be brought under the the Flag of Islam, and that is a DIVINE dictate straight from Koran). That is has been the worldview for 1400 years—ever since the inception of Islam. Almost ALL muslims grow up with this notion programmed into their heads, actively at the muslim ‘sunday schools’, OR passively by osmosis through the muslim culture. If you don’t understand this basic truth about islam, you will make gross error in judgement about what they want and what they may do. Since i *do* know about this, i can understand the direct evidence that *i* have viewed as something very dangerous to the rest of the humanity. In particular, like it or not, vast majority of muslims support the Jihad. They fall into three categories: (1) A very small minority who actually engage in violent acts as their primary occupation. (2) A huge minority of muslims who actively help these jihad,either by material support, financially and/or otherwise, OR by intellectual/political/social/religious/economic means and propaganda and activism. (3) A vast majority of muslims are not involved directly in helping the jihad, but are tacit supporters, either intellectually and/or through other cultural interaction.
Only a very small percent of muslims, i would say less than 1%, who actually oppose this whole concept of muslim agains nonmuslim. But they are NOT considered muslims by the remaining 99%, because the former go against direct dictates of Koran and Muhammed. And of this 1% there are actually handful who actually go out in the open and explicitly and publicly CONDEMN the Jihadi philosophy/actions. And these are, almost without exception, APOSTATES—at least in the eyes of the other muslims. When was the last time you heard a muslim PUBLICLY condemning jihad/jihadis?
SECREV
Dr Zudi Jasser is the only one I’m aware of and I fear he is a marked man. He is a very brave and good man, but he appears to be a lone voice against a multitude of hateful barbarians.
Hint: Everyone who speaks out against islam is a “Marked Man”
Salmun Rushdie? Death Fatwa, in hiding for what, 30 years?
Theo Van Gogh? Killed in the street
The “Draw Mohammed” cartoon girl from Washington state? FBI protection from death threats.
Florida Burn a Koran preacher? Same lifetime, lifelong threat to be endured.
Critcize Islam an/or The Phophet in ANY way, and you will be killed.
The KORAN says so…(duh!)
I would have liked to see a poll on how many Muslims think it wasn’t Muslims who commit much of the Terrorism in the world. I have seen numerous sites where it is alleged that Jews and the CIA did it to frame the Muslims. Nonetheless I remember the day it happened there were parades and cheering in Gaza, Egypt and a New Jersey neighborhood on 9/11. That is only what I saw on the news that day. That to me is the telling truth.
Rich,
Watch the representatives of CAIR. They always show up to defend Muslims and attack Muslim critiques….. using our own laws and freedoms against us. They never show up to condemn Muslim acts of violence. Yet this group has been embraced by both the Bush and OBama Administrations since 9/11 as a moderate Muslim group.
It really isn’t THAT hard to check your claims first, is it?
http://www.cair.com/americanmuslims/antiterrorism.aspx
Um,is that correct? The last date on that link you gave was 2005? CAIR has not made any specific statements against all the happenings in the past year? two years? 3 years? 5 years? And most of the statements here are generic. Why are they not making statements about specific attempts to blow us up in USA?
“Um,is that correct?”
Yes.
“The last date on that link you gave was 2005? CAIR has not made any specific statements against all the happenings in the past year? two years?”
Oh, I see. You wanted a single web source that would answer every question. Nope, I don’t have one of those. What I’ll need to do is point to some individual statements on more recent events. Here’s a couple:
http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=26657
http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=26126
I was responding to the statement “They never show up to condemn Muslim acts of violence”. Clearly, they do. I don’t know if they do it while standing on one leg or juggling, and they probably don’t make broad-ranging statements that muslim is inherently violent (just heading off a few responses in advance, there). But they do condemn violence perpetrated by muslims.
Thanks for the link to CAIR’s website Matthew. May I suggest that you take a good critical look at it yourself. Sometimes, you can learn as much about what is not dealt with as you can from what is. There is no mention of Sharia, of Stoning Women, of Polygamy. They have been routinely accused of and criticized for all of these practices…. yet not even one dismissive denial. Where is CAIR with respect to Pakistan’s recent death penalty controversy re: a Muslim woman who converted to Christianity? They are hiding and hoping it will blow over. Neither is there any mention on their site regarding Taquiya. They are routinely accused of this practice (and for good reason) which is discussed in the Koran, their most Holy book. What they believe in and what they are teaching their children, and how they are treating their women is becoming known. That CAIR is complicit and supportive of the take over and domination of this country is obvious. Their founder stated as much and I’ve never heard a CAIR representative deny or condemn it. Are you a CAIR rep? Is your name really Matthew?
Does the fact that you’re moving the goalposts mean that you’ve accepted the error in your claim that “They never show up to condemn Muslim acts of violence”?
CAIR stands for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Its interest is civil rights for Muslim Americans. It isn’t an all-purpose apologist organization, and doesn’t try to be.
I’ve seen sites which claim that obama isn’t a natural born citizen of the united states.
So what?
I can also remember a time when 60% of americans thought saddam hussein was linked to 9/11.
People believe all manner of rubbish.
Mathew perhaps you could show us the PROOF ( not Obambi and his friends CLAIMS and photoshopped COLB’s) that the Obamanation IS a Natural Born CITIZEN his real VAULT Birth Certificate would do for a start then the name of the Hospital (include the Hospitals Birth Record just for authenticity) he was born in and his Midwife and attending Doctor. If you cant tell us or direct us to where all this information is freely available then its YOU who is living in left wing moonbat La La land. BTW while you are at it let us know where all HUSSEINS other HIDDEN documents are.
WAITING!!!!!!!!
Start here:
http://www.factchecqk.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
You birthers are great. I love you guys. You have pulled the rug out from under the people who’d like to paint bush’s critics as deranged. BDS has nothing on ODS. When bush’s service records were found, a lot of people had to eat crow. One anchor even lost his job over it. But you guys just keep plugging away, long after it’s become apparent that you’re completely wrong.
Make that start here:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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Yes Matthew, I will accept that. and I sincerely thank you for the links to the Website. Also your point is well made with respect to CAIR being a Muslim civil rights organization. However I would dispute you in that they do routinely act a a Muslim apologist group. So tell me, where do you stand on Islam in America? Do you not see Islamists or Islamism as a threat to our American way of life…. or to the Western World. I see you frequently posting contrarian viewpoints… on this site in particular. I appreciate the balance you bring to this discussion and feel it would be unfortunate if you were not here.
Watch this Austrian tell it like it is…there is hope that the EU is getting mighty fed up with muslims. And the backlash is starting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmgI_WXff0
“The only thing holding militant Islam back is that its grasp of technology is embryonic.”
That seems logical…but…they know that they have limited time frames in which to operate. Therefore; expect increased attacks using creative ways of using bodies…air, land and water. They do not need cutting edge technology to wreak havoc. Now is the time to really bear down on these thugs; so let get ready to take it to’em… big time. Watch Europe carefully; things look like they’re about to come unravelled any minute now. It’s ominous that the U.N.(heavily influenced by the OIC); has already set up a ‘victory party’ called Durban 3; to take place just after Sept.11th 2011 in NYC. Apparently, the Iranian thug Adminanutjob is slated to speak at the event. These people have definitely got something planned, they’ve announced it and shouted it over the rooftops. We better be super vigilant…. …
And from a fraction of Al Qaeda supporters in the West we get at least a few thousand who will seriously take up the call to Jihad and go out and slaughter Western infidels in their own countries. But because it would be politically unacceptable to allow this dangerous fraction to remain imbedded within the nominally peaceful groups they will all at some point have to go, which works against the jihadist claim that they only want to Islamize the world. And this, in turn, supports the view of many in the West that Al Qaeda is nothing more substantial than psychopathic behavior concealed within an omnibus, fourteen hundred year old set of crack-brained grievances.
The clash of civilizations is here. How can anyone take comfort in the fact that 49 percent of Nigerian Muslims support al Qaeda? Nigeria is a growing oil-producing country and to think that it would use at least some of its oil revenues to fund al Qaeda should disturb anyone. Face it, these number are pretty terrible, although I was surprised that the number was so low in Turkey, where radical Islam seems to be on the rise. With about 130 million people in just SOME of the Muslim countries supporting a homicidal organization that wants to kill all non-Muslims makes the odds pretty good that we will continue to have terrorist attacks carried out against us.
We need to keep hitting these terrorist hard and wherever they may be. Send a message to Muslims everywhere that if you attack us, we will destroy you. And if everyone wants to meet in hell in a Muslim version of mutual assured destruction, then so be it. To not do anything would be to submit to a form of blackmail that would destroy this nation. As I said, the clash of civilizations is here and it will be a generational struggle, one lasting much longer than the Cold War. The battlefields will be many and in various failed states, such as Somalia and Afghanistan, maybe even Yemen. We had better be up to the task because, the way the Europeans are gutting their military budgets, we will be alone in this battle.
Well said.
Youtube Video. Horrifying and Evil
Quran School نحوه تدریس مسلمانان در آفریقا
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jwii8QihT0&feature=player_embedded
G-D help these innocent, defenseless children.
Good video. It sure makes me want to embrace Moslems as friends.
Watch this one…it’s even better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmgI_WXff0
Thanks for the video.
I’ve watched literally hundreds of these videos exposing Islam for it is, and my observation is that nobody really cares.
It’s kind of acceptable, even expected that the lands of Islam behave this way; thus, nothing new … move along … stop whining … what is the big deal?
I must express the obvious: people are the stupidest carbon-based life-form on earth.
During the Cold War, we faced an enemy — Communism — intent upon our enslavement or destruction, and armed with nuclear weapons. We did not lose that war, because the enemy was rational enough to be deterred. We finally won that war because the enemy did not have the sympathy of his own populace.
We now face another enemy, once again intent upon our enslavement or destruction. His name is Islam. He is far from rational, and he has the open sympathy of his own populace, and the covert sympathy of some of our populace.
What could go wrong?
The only response to the next 9/11 that makes sense would be the bombing into rubble of Mecca and Medina. After Obama is gone that will be the test, not just for our next president but for the West, for its desire to survive.
ricpic,
That would certainly bring the fight to the enemy. I would like to see a study (a poll) aimed at determining the number of Muslims who would like to see Bin Laden and the Ayatollahs of Iran strung upside down in the public square until the crows pick their bones clean. If it were more than 1% in support I would be encouraged and feel there were some hope among the Muslim population.
Erm … what if the next 9/11 is perpetrated by non-muslims?
Do you think we should wait and see first?
Because otherwise that would be a really clever way for somebody who hates muslims to get mecca bombed and start a war.
It’s a bit of a stupid response in any case. The retaliation is entirely symbolic, it doesn’t weaken the enemy one jot, and it really WOULD put americans in danger globally. You’d take the actions of a small group of freaks and use them to make a quarter of the world’s population genuinely hate your guts (and not entirely without justification). Freakin’ brilliant. You weren’t a richard perle staffer, by chance?
I reckon you should let the grown-ups handle it.
Don’t know much about history or Islam, do you, boy?
“Don’t know much about history or Islam, do you, boy?”
Care to put in a modicum of effort and explain what that’s supposed to mean?
Care to put in a modicum of effort to educate yourself, boy? First, get a clue about Islam. The history (there’s that ‘history’ bit) of Islam’s practitioners speaks for itself. The bottom line is that Islam is the existential enemy of Western civilization. Read Dr. Andrew Bostom’s work to get a sense of the Islamic mindset and what its ascendancy might mean for the rest of us:
The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims (Andrew Bostom)
Read Lee Harris’ outstanding work to get a sense of why and how the West’s days may be numbered. We are our own worst enemy unless we face up to the hard choices necessary to remain free and prosperous.
The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam’s Threat to the West (Lee Harris)
If you’re still having trouble wrapping your mind around the fact that Western civilization does in fact have mortal and exiostential enemies, take a quick turn through Lee Harris’ Civilization and Its Enemies
Islam is not so much a religion as it is a supremacist political ideology with a narrowly circumscribed set of rituals. As for ‘tolerance’, here’s a quote from the Muslim Brotherhood and their mission in the U.S, calling for…
Speaking to the ‘religion of peace,” assertion that we hear from Muslims and ignorant (yes, ignorant) Westerners, when Muslims assert that Islam is a “religion of peace” they are not engaging in al taqqiya, they are actually making an assertion in good faith.
The problem lies in the fact that Islam has, from the Western point of view, a defective concept of peace. In semitic languages like Arabic, the consonants are the “root” of the word: islam = submission, and salam = peace have the same root, slm.
The only concept of peace in Islamic jurisprudence is the peace between the conqueror and the conquered, between master and slave. There is no concept of a negotiated peace between nations in Islamic law (and note that law is the defining property of Islam—their clerics are jurists, schools of Qu’ranic interpretation are called fiqh, a legalistic term)—Muslims may negotiate a “hudna” or armistice of limited duration with non-Muslim, but not a definitive enduring peace.
In that regard, Islam was, is and will be a serial murderer of entire cultures and peoples. This is what Islam has done throughout its entire 1400 year history. This is what it has done whenever it has finally gotten the upper hand in whatever culture is has opposed. This is what has been inextricably interwoven into the ‘DNA’ of its operating system. Those whom Islam does not destroy, it enslaves, diminishes and impoverishes. Islam strives for the conversion, enslavement or death of all who do not conform to its sadistic and cruel vision of Mankind. Islam cannot be ‘reformed’ in the light of our Western values of humanity and freedom. Were that so, it would no longer be Islam. For its psychopathic and cruel misogyny alone, Islam is an abomination and worthy only of extinction.
Finally, here’s a wakeup call that will chill you to the core. And if you’re still defending Islam after this, then you deserve what Islam has in store for you: dhimmitude or death.
Get back to us when you’re done with the books and the short story I’ve referenced. I’ve read both of them. Be prepared to discuss this material. Or not, as I suspect you’ll come back with a lame recital of leftist talking points rather than any real discussion. That, and snark will get an ‘F’. Class dismissed…
I’ll help you out matt,
It means “you dont know much about history or Islam”
See, simple, yet you dont get it…
Sort of like the way The Koran and the Hadith preach hatred and death while demanding its followers lie about the whole thing…..
Sigh. To paraphrase Mark Twain, it’s like “…trying to teach a pig to sing. It frustrates you and annoys the pig.”
Little Matt’s got his talking points, Wkipedia ‘scholarship’ and his self-referential leftist websites. That’s it. He’s incapable of standing up for his own civilization, and he believes that he’s immune to the consequences of his very bad ideas. Sad.
Apparently I wasn’t clear.
I was hoping that your response might be relevant to my question. Am I to take it that a bunch of chicken-little historical claims means that yes, you DO think we should just blow up sites on the arabian peninsula whether or not the “next 9/11″ has anything to do with islam? And that you really do believe that there’s nothing the west can do that can ever make a scrap of difference to how the muslim world sees us?
Unless there are 2 Matthews commenting here, with the same writing style and political philosophy, you have claimed several times to be an Australian. And that you have lived in Australia all your life except for personal travel.
Yet your comments very often use the ‘we’ phraseology when discussing US issues. You – an Australian fellow – also seem to like telling people that they should basically shut up when disputing your opinion on US issues because they do not have your depth of understanding of those issue (according to you, your understanding of every political dynamic, as an Australian, is superior to that of someone who has lived in the US all their life (excluding personal travel).
It appears to me, assuming that there are not 2 Matthews etc, that you are a liar. Someone who should never be taken seriously.
Try to focus on the argument.
Me saying an claim or suggestion is bogus is not the same thing as telling them to shut up.
Nice try. I made no indication that I was addressing any argument of yours. I made the observation that I believe you – and have mentioned it in the past – to be a liar and as such not deserving of any consideration on any issue.
I made my reasons clear. I was not addressing any arguments you were making. I consign them to the bogus bin as I would arguments from anyone feeling the need to lie in support of a position.
Perhaps, being an Australian, for some reason my comment was unclear to you. I doubt that. You were just ducking the fact that you’ve once again been exposed as a fabulist.
You’re just not at all interested in playing the ball, huh?
WHY? Why would I engage you or any other liar in debate on any real issue? The fantasy role playing game is yours, and I don’t play by your rules, fabulist. While you’re an accomplished liar, every liar, accomplished or not, eventually trips up.
And what possible interest or information does CAIR or any of the self-referential leftist kindergarten sites you love to link hold for me? Or for that matter, anyone capable of critical thinking?
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This is what’s referred as the pot calling the kettle black. Let’s see. How about this one? Under the same comment and before I called you out as a liar.
“It’s a bit of a stupid response in any case…I reckon you should let the grown-ups handle it.
“It’s a bit of a stupid response in any case.”
The “response” in that sentence refers to the bombing of mecca and medina.
It’s would be a stupid response. It’s stupid for the reasons for that I explained. It has no military value, it’ll stir up a hornet’s nest and apparently you aren’t all that concerned with making sure that muslims are behind the attack you’re retaliating to. I stand by that statement.
Is that really your ad hominem attack that compares with you calling me a liar and fabulist?
You don’t deny that you are a liar and fabulist. Just irked that it was uncovered.
So, THAT would put us in danger?
Like, we arent ALREADY in danger?
So, before “George W Bush and the right wing republicans” made all those muslims hate us so much, we were, what, SAFE?
What SPECIFIC act on our part caused them to hate us enough to plan 9/11 all during those fun loving CLINTON years?
Face it, dude, the Cult of Perpetual Outrage and Violence cannot be reasoned with, NOTHING we do will make us safe from their insanity.
To quote Forrest Gump
‘Mohammed is as Mohammed does”
That is, a Terrorist, torturer, murderer, plunderer, liar, thief begets a cult like following of…..?????
And appologists like you STILL try to rationalize with them, using WESTERN CHRISTIAN thought processes of honesty and mutual respect.
It would be FUNNY if it wasnt so DANGEROUS
“You’d take the actions of a small group of freaks and use them to make a quarter of the world’s population genuinely hate your guts ”
Hey you, brilliant one…they ALREADY hate our guts….their whole religion has been clear about hating our guts for 1400 years.
They cut peoples HEADS off, live on the INTERNET…youre gonna make us “safe” by what, playing nice, dont piss them off?
Yeah, I can tell YOUVE never been anywhere rough or dangerous.
Pray YOU never end up in JAIL sweetie! HA HA HA!
Let’s consider where our friends are: for one, they are south and north of us.
Since we’re not having a problem with illegal Canadians, let’s talk about Mexicans.
They WILL not submit to Islam. Ain’t that cool? For all you nervous types, your leaf-blower, lawn-mower, roofer, and every-other-kind-of-hard-working-fool from south of Texas hates Islam. Which is another reason why I have a real hard time joining the parade that wants to slam the door our forefathers entered so easily.
Form a line, piss on a Koran, come back in 6 months speaking passable English and here’s yer green card. We’re glad you’re here.
reader,
That’s the best argument for open borders and legalizing the illegals I’ve read so far. I would not go as far as you, but I respect and agree with much of your premise. Unfortunately, Islamists are sneaking in through our Southern borders disguised as Hispanics. We have to put a stop to that. We must encourage a legal and orderly immigration…. one more stringent than our forefathers enjoyed. As far as pissing on a Koran, radical Islamists wouldn’t hesitate. If it meant getting a ticket to spend a few nights with American hookers before striking a lethal blow against the Great Satan, they would piss on their own mothers, sisters and daughters.
Hum, 120,000 “American Muslims” would support the “enemy,” that is, act like traditional Muslims. Well, if California loses in the 9th circuit court and their current custodial over crowding is deemed cruel and unusual punishment, I guess those 40,000 vacant prison beds from releasing gang bangers and low level felons won’t be available for the growing population of American Muslims going on jihad, rediscovering their “cultural roots.” I know, we can put them on supervised parole, cause we can’t send them to Gitmo, and we can’t execute them–unless it’s targeted drone killings in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The criminal justice model is supposed to work, don’t you know, even for people with one hundred percent recidivism rates. How about expedited deportations via air drops into Western Pakistan and the Tora Bora? No one says the ‘shutes have to actually open–S—happens.
reader basil
I think you equate two things, the islamization and illegal immigration. Both are problems and in the US both are different problems.
The islamization, islamist mind-set and introduction of sharia is one problem, the illegal immigration with immigrants paying no taxes but in some states granted privileges of legal immigrants is another.
You are comparing apples and oranges -both are fruits but they are NOT the same thing.
Does it really matter how many support Al Qaida? Read 2 Chronicles 20 for the full context.
2Ch 20:22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.
23 For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of mount Seir, utterly to slay and destroy them: and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, every one helped to destroy another.
24 And when Judah came toward the watch tower in the wilderness, they looked unto the multitude, and, behold, they were dead bodies fallen to the earth, and none escaped.
We do not need to fight Al Qaida or even to be uncivil to the Muslim but rather to chose, as Jehoshaphat did to turn to the Lord. They that be for us are more than they that be against us.
We have to leave off those debilitating political correct notions that we have embraced down through the years and relearn to be civil one to another.
Our peace does not come from being peaceable with Islam which is not peaceable with us but to make peace with God then God will make our enemies to be at peace with us.
reader why can’t they piss on a koran and stand up against islam in their own country?
Another poll showing that most Muslims support Islam!! AND that Islam is bad!! What’s next? A study indicating that smoking is bad for you? For 1400 years any part of the world which has had contact with Islam has known that Islam is bad. This has all been hashed over enough. What is needed is a plan of action. I personally like the one suggested by #12, ricpic.
Those wealthy Saudis who finance our enemy should be marked for elimination by our government.
The political correctness that has infected our corporations and government, needs to come to an end. We are allowing the wolf to guard the sheep.
Polls are only reflective of the questions asked. Pew has the typical liberal agenda. They want to justify all the dopey changey “why don’t we just all get along” nonsense and help blame US imperialism for islamism and all the other threats to western civilization. The fact is that the vast majority of suicide bombings have been aimed at other muslims, so naturally muslims might be critical of such bombings and their perpetrators when asked in the manner that the Pew questions were posed. I seriously doubt the results of the poll would have seemd so benign had the respondents been asked the whether suicide attacks against Jews or Americans were justified. Another GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) poll offers scant reassurance to those of us willing to accept the harsh reality of Islam’s threat to the West.
Wow, wasn’t there just an article called “Muslims Behaving Badly”?
And another article called “Islam Expert Not Shocked by Disappearance of ‘Draw Muhammad’ Cartoonist”?
And another called “Christians Warn Against Double Standard in Wake of Quran Burning Row”?
And another “Koran Burning: How Dare the Muslim World Lecture America on Religious Tolerance”?
And another “Muslims Resume Building on Christian Graveyard in Pakistan”?
And another “NYC Mosque Rhetoric May Harm Persecuted Christians”?
And another “Controversial Jesus TV Show Canceled in Lebanon”?
And another “Pakistani Court Acquits Christian Woman of ‘Blasphemy”?
And another “Prospects of Religious Freedom Appear Grim in Islamic Maldives”?
And another “Poll: 3 in 5 New Yorkers Oppose Ground Zero Mosque”?
And another “Muslim Protesters Surround Worshippers in Indonesia”?
Gee, for so few radicals out there in the world, they sure get around, don’t they? But, they told us their religion was peaceful? You mean they lied to us? And we Socialist Progessive’s (I mean Democrat American’s) believed them? I guess I should stop watching the Main, I mean Lame-Stream Media? Oh my God, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, and PBS have all become Pravda America?
Don’t worry about it! We just decided to repeal don’t ask don’t tell…
Soon our troops will be skipping right along those terrorist hide-outs (“Hi guys!”) and telling them how silly they are.
I’m sure AQ is overcome by, um, fear…yeah, that’s it, uh, fear…
Talk about a danger to the troops…howd you like to get captured NOW and see what the Mohammadans think of our “army” that now condones Homosexuality?
Islam is as Islam does and those of you who are not either irredeemable moonbats or braindead know what that is. Read the Koran its all in there Oh and BTW dont forget that good old Muslim trick of abrogation while you read it and of course know chronologically which verses are which.
That’s right, almost 130 million Muslims support al-Qaeda — and that from just the six countries Pew’s pollsters visited.
Recruiters exploit their populations. This has been especially true of Hamas, even enlisting mentally retarded children to blow up Israelis. I (vaguely) recall the Chechens recruited a retarded woman for one of their missions.
Saddam married a first cousin, which (besides Dad’s sterling influence) is how we got those paragons of sadistic slaughter, Uday and Qusay.
Psychological Research: Muslim Inbreeding Promotes Terrorism
A 2007 Pew Poll on American Muslims, for instance, revealed that 75,000 American Muslims supported al-Qaeda and 120,000 American Muslims believed that bombings against civilians in the defense of Islam are justified.
I think that number must be much higher, given those who likely wouldn’t answer that question honestly.
I don’t believe these numbers. I think that many Muslims, when presented with a poll, are a bit reluctant to reveal how they really feel about the terrorists. I’m betting that the real numbers are much higher, way higher then even the numbers show by this poll represent. And if I’m wrong? Well 130 million Muslims that support the terrorists is still a huge number. Religion of Peace my rear end.
islam does not teach to kill but it does accept self defence the same way the law in every country does . afghan i understand , america wanted revenge for 9/11 , but iraq is a whole another story . How many bin laden do you think this war omn terror is giving to each day , how many children witness their father , mother getting shot or blown by a drone strike , watch their sister getting raped by american soldiers and dragged to war brothels .
that is the reality of war soldiers getting shot dead or paralysed , mass murder , fathes and mothers never seeing their son again .
it has nothing to do with religion it is only human nature when you kill someone else will come for revenge , america has caused more than 1000 ground zeros , this is why more than 100 plots are being planned everyday . and yes the media claim were winning but these people will never die they will just retaliate with hate and mulltiply
you people have never been in a war zone , you think growing in a foster care is tough imagine growing up homeless in baghdad