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Turning Point: Obama and Israel, the Next Three Years

September 3rd, 2013 - 8:55 am

This does not only include Jewish settlements, even for those willing to give every one up for real, lasting peace. In fact, 55.5 percent of the Israeli people and 63 percent of Israeli Jews said they were against Israel agreeing to return to the 1967 lines, even if there were land swaps which would enable some Jewish settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem to remain part of Israel. It is not the terms ostensibly offered, but the credibility of the United States and the Palestinians. Mind you, the figure is even higher, because most people feel that this simply won’t work in terms of providing more security and stability.

Israel is not naïve. It was walking down a dark alley and thought that kindly old Uncle Sam — perhaps a bit grumpier lately — had his back, then looked to them for support only to find another enemy. Yet you will never ever hear an Israeli politician admit that.

Read Netanyahu’s unprecedented memo on the talks and the prisoner release. It reads as if he saw a ghost; he is trying to signal something very grim and serious and there is no implication that he believes in any possibility of compensation for this concession. Faced with a wasted effort of a unilateral Palestinian prisoner release, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government went along with it because they realized the indifference of the United States to Israel’s interests was extremely high. They realized that Congress was hypnotized that the Jewish community, in its Obama worship, was largely neutralized; and that rather than fighting European hostility, the White House was conducting it.

Looking over their shoulder in the misty night, they realized that a monster was following them. If you read Netanyahu’s unprecedented memo to the Israeli people as to why the terrorist prisoners were released, you get that clear signal. They realized that the Obama administration was extremely dangerous and that it was necessary to buy time.

Of course, the talks will not go anywhere because the Palestinians know they have a strong hand, and they will overplay it. But the administration’s willingness to punish Israel to win public relations points and to shore up the doomed U.S. alignment with Islamists has to be reckoned with, and for the next few years.

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But the U.S. government and its supporters believe that the Israeli government — in partnership with Obama — should betray the beliefs, aspirations, and security of the Israeli people. - Barry Rubin

This is what Leftwingers believe that Republican representatives should do - in partnership with Obama - should betray the beliefs, aspirations, and security of the American people.
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Yes, but if I had said this three years ago...who would have defended my position?

Who would have labeled me a "conspiracy theorist?"

Who would have said that I was "hyperpartisan"?

And who...would still do so?

The dinners with Rashid Khalidi, the fetes and glorifying of Edward Said, the sputterings of Ali Abunimah, the loving embrace of Jeremiah Wright and by that proxy...Louis Farrakhan, the ramblings of James Cone, the flotilla friends and utterings of Bill Ayers, ...for whom did these things not presage the snide comments to Sarkozy? The demand for return to 1967 lines.

For whom did the sending of Robert Malley to secretly play footsie with Hamas not send chills up the spine.

Samantha Power, Susan Rice, and Valerie Jarrett strike anyone as lovers of Israel?

Brzezinski?

So, should I show my "shocked face" that NOW people in D.C. say that Obama is what he always was? That his policies will "in the future" reflect that which has always been reflected?

Or, should I bow to the wisdom of those who waited to form this opinion...because their "calm reflection" was wiser than my "rashness"?

Then, bow I will.

To those wiser and more rational than I.

And all the sands that have passed through the hour glass waiting for them to achieve their wisdom will scratch much less against the skin...just knowing that NOW...they need only wait a few more years for others to catch up to THEM.

Because, standing around doing nothing...is the lesson well taught and easily followed.
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And Jews will still vote for the Dem 3 to 1.
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This might be one of the scariest things I've ever read. It sounds like Prof. Rubin saw a ghost, and he probably looked like one after these conversations.

It seems pretty obvious that we're in very deep trouble in the United State. People are beginning to sound the alarm bells. I just hope it's not too late.

http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/09/barry-rubin-america-has-lost-israel/
46 weeks ago
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Has there been a different turning point as well? Is China becoming friends with Israel?
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2013-09/04/content_16942571.htm
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This must have been a heart-breaking column to write.

I cannot disagree with the analysis.

The Truth is, Israel cannot (for long) rely on ANY nation. This has been prophesied. It does not excuse those, like the U.S., who should be supporting her, but one way or another every supposed ally of Israel will abandon or betray her in some form or fashion.
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Heart breaking? Maybe to Obama lovers. For the rest of us, it's simply vindication of everything we were saying back in 2008, when this pathetic man-child was elevated to a position of power he should never have held, and American policy was handed over to a radical pack of Israel-haters.

It really took this long for so many of you to realize that this had happened???

But for so many Jews today, Liberalism is their one true Religion, and Judaism is simply their affiliation. No thought that contradicts Liberal Orthodoxy can be allowed, even if that Orthodoxy is going to lead to the destruction of Israel and the death of millions.
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Not news, really, but sobering and reinforcing (of reality) to read your opinions, Barry. This is the Obama Administration, full of 'anti-Zionists' throughout the corridors of now-naked power, a den of opponents of morality and common sense. We will weather the storms, I hope. We will also have you with us through this time - this I also hope.
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so, three years to talk to the rest of America? B/c we know an impotent, out-maneuvered president can be lame-ducked. Washington, DC is just one city.

I don't know how this is done, or by whom: but: Can American Rabbis go talk to American pastors? in private, in lunches at college houses, in their pulpit?

That's what Muslim imams did right after 9-11. The pastor at the church we attended went to a group lunch with an inter-faith alliance, and the imam got grilled. Then the pastors went home and gave sermons. Most of the church members in this country are younger than Washington insiders. They don't know about what Israel is like, or what's going on.

I know at the church we attend now, they had a presentation on the Sudanese massacre- presented by Sudanese victims- with maps, and a presentation on the Rwanda massacre, by a rep from Lutheran World Relief, since he was administering a safety camp. Haiti- members went, worked, and came back and presented, after the last disaster.Photos, stats, all of it.

Maybe not the bishops- they tend to be older, but pastor by pastor? That would get you face to face with half the country. That's the half that has children, pays taxes, votes. That's the half that is comfortable calling a representative for one thing or another.

Evangelicals are fans of Israel - and they have big churches- megachurches. Evangelicals are Southern, rural to small city, biblical literalists, and somehow that's like petting a cat from the tail up for big-city bred, sophisticated types, but--- why not try?

Mormon bishops are usually successful businessmen. They listen to facts and figures.

There are 30 Republican governors. Some nations have embassies to states, not just the national capital.

It's three years- might as well make a case.
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Eventually, Israel will be forced to find new supporters. To whom will they turn?

Well, who has:
a) Cash to burn
b) A HUGE manufacturing base
c) No scruples about leveraging anyone and anything that will provide them an advantage

Give up?

China.

Think not? Watch and learn. And God help us when that happens. We'll be out of the Middle East for generations, if not forever.
47 weeks ago
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they will turn to G_d, eventually. Everyone else will prove faithless.
46 weeks ago
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Israel has been courting China with US military technology for decades.
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I think the 'time' involved means the 'time' to outlast Obama's time in office. That, I take it, is why Barry puts the words 'The Next Three Years' in his title. Releasing the Palestinian prisoners is a relatively cheap way to take away the accusation that Israel has been intransigent and made no concessions. The accusation will be made anyhow - it always is - but the fact will remain that Israel did make concessions and the other side, as usual, made no concessions whatsoever. Going along with Obama in small ways reduces Obama's ability use Israeli 'intransigence' as an excuse to be more overtly hostile. That said, I can't help but notice that if Obama's intent is to bring about Israel's downfall by surrounding Israel with Muslim Brotherhood governments that would be one way to 'transform' the Middle East. That is exactly what a post colonialist would do, particularly one guided by the postcolonialism of Edward Said. According to Wikipedai: "In 1963, Said joined Columbia University as a member of the faculties of the department of English and of the department of Comparative Literature, where he taught and worked until 2003 (he became professor there in 1991); in the course of that tenure, Barack Obama was one of his pupils at Columbia College." Prof Rubin, predicted during the initial riots in Tahrir Square that either the MB or the military would end up ruling Egypt. If Obama's intent all along has been to surround Israel with Muslim Brotherhood regimes then the fall of Morsi is good news indeed. If Obama's wider objective in the Middle East is to destroy Israel then his ineffective treatment of Iran makes sense. As an American I find it hard to believe that such an anti Israel policy would lie at the center of any US administration's Middle East policy, but right now that is what it looks like to me.
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Israel has but one choice, drive the Palistianians back into Jordan. Get the job done now, take a page out of Obama's playbook, never let a good crisis go to waste. Let the whole world screem but get the job done. To shut them all up drop a few bunker busters on Iran.
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Did it really take you this long to put two and two together? I never wanted to believe that our people were stupid enough to elect a Muslim sympathizer who clearly hates all our allies, but every single move he has made in the ME has only strengthened the cause of radical Islam at every turn. You can't make that kind of batting average through sheer incompetence alone. At some point, it has to be intentional.
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I don't think your comment is directed at my comment because I posted after you. But I will answer what I find a challenging question. So it did take me this long to put two and two together because I never could explain to myself Obama's pro Muslim, or as later became obvious in Egypt, his pro Islamist behavior on the grounds of his being a Muslim sympathiser. What I didn't get was that anti Israel policies might be the core motivation. After all an Indonesian Muslim is less focused on Israel being the problem than a Palestinian Muslim. But as I pointed out in my other comment Edward Said, perhaps the most prominent star in the pantheon of postcolonialism, was a Palestinian who truly hated Israel. He also was a teacher of Obama's at Columbia. That is when I put two and two together and feel I now have a better understanding of why Obama has gone so far in his support of Morsi, and the NB generally. It is not just pro Islamism; it is also virulent anti Semitism.
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No, it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. It was a general utterance (or typing). Spiritually, I've never bought into the idea of Obama as closet muslim although he was certainly raised to that tradition in his formative years in Indonesia, but Indonesia wasn't heavily radicalized until much more recently and still fights that influence today. I think it more likely he's whatever spirituality it's convenient to appear to be which makes him an atheist or an agnostic.

Ideologically, he's a Marxist which makes him the enemy of Judeo-Christian values and Western civilization. To that end, he'll ally with whomever he needs to in order to destroy those ideals and values root and stalk. Israel is just one of the most tangible symbols of all he hates and wants to bring down.
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http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/09/what-about-that-purge/

Now that Obama has purged the brass, what will the remaining brass do? Do they really want to fight this war on behalf of al Qaeda, their sworn enemies? I can’t imagine so. There was hope that maybe the Republican House will bail them out, but don’t look for support from Senators McCain or Graham. Today, Boehner announced his support. So where's that leave us? If Congress authorizes, then what? Under the First Amendment, we are allowed to wonder out loud. Does America’s military might get employed publicly on the side of al Qaeda, for the first time in history? Or, does Cairo repeat itself in Washington D.C.?
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Updated link…
http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/09/what-about-that-purge-2/
The story was TAKEN DOWN by a THIRD PARTY.

ANY GUESS WHO DID THAT??????
We’re in a state of tyranny. No doubt about it.
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