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Now We Know the Truth Behind U.S. ‘Peace Process’ Policy

July 30th, 2013 - 2:33 pm

– First, as I pointed out, it presumes incompetence and betrayal by the Obama administration. It presumes that any battle to block either unilateral independence or punishment of Israel for opposing it would be doomed. This includes a refusal for the United States or European states to punish the PA even while it is believed they will eagerly punish Israel.

Incidentally, this explains Kerry’s seeming slip about Palestine already being an independent country. Will the Obama administration recognize a state of Palestine not achieved through negotiation with Israel?

– Second, it presumes that after everything it has done for 20 to 40 years has proven to be based on false promises, Israel should base itself on more of such promises.

– Third, it presupposes that the punishment would be worse than the risk taken by Israel, and ignores any possible costs faced by the Palestinians. Just because the EU has put sanctions — far looser and less significant than they seem — against special economic privileges for Israeli settlements in Europe, does that mean the EU will enact major sanctions against Israel in its recognized territory? (If Israel has such indications we don’t know about it, and again, this shows how the United States has not fought against this.)

– Fourth, it assumes that having been given every reason to believe that they hold all the cards, the PA will not make compromises. This is not likely to result in a deal since Kerry has already told them that in a year or two more they can have anything. Here is Mahmoud Abbas radiating confidence that he is about to get a state. Remember that Kerry’s last Middle East negotiation was when he thought he would easily wean away Syria’s dictatorship from Iran

– Fifth, why would the PA keep any post-treaty commitments? We know that Hamas will not, and that Iran would not accept them. How long before new cross-border attacks and new demands would be made?

I presume that talks would fail, and after this explanation of what Kerry is doing, I feel even more strongly that this will happen.  That’s why the Israeli government has accepted this bad deal, believing, I think accurately, that the PA will make the talks fail. I understand why this option was taken — also, because there might be American or European threats and promises; nobody can be as bad as Obama in the future — but this tactic is getting tired.    

Related: From Bridget Johnson at the PJ Tatler: “Palestinians ‘Delighted’: ‘All Final Status Issues Will be Resolved’ in Kerry Talks.”

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"Nobody can be as bad as obama in the future" is the key conclusion. He is our pornographic president, he has no redeeming qualities.
51 weeks ago
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Israel as Dunkirk? Could happen. Whence the IDF after EU turns rabid, again? Who provides the transport and the safe haven? Israel, our friend, to thine own ass be true, and muscle up now!
51 weeks ago
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to Shoshana and Larry, expect towards Israel the same kind of boycott+smearing campaign that went on for 20 years against South Africa on any economic -diplomatic - moral level .It seems neither Bibi nor Bennet nor Ayalon have a glimpse of understanding of EU hatred towards Israel.Israel is unbearable to those EU leaders who think of themselves as beacons of enlightement fighting the dark forces of obscurity ( personnified in Israel - not in the medieval muslim sharia countries ). Ashton - Barroso are autocrats who have never been elected and who are setting their own personnal war against Israel . Their frivolous hatred towards Israel should be dealt in a swift and conclusive way.Ashton declared many times Israel is responsible for all kinds of nefarious things ( organ trafficking- world financial crisis - ) she must be deal as rabid hatemonger. She should have been declared persona non grata a long time ago.Same policy must apply to all the hostile NGO's working from inside Israel against the elected government and its policies.Judge Edmond Levy panel issued a set of measures to close down their hostile activities.But Bibi does not move, he thinks he can withstand the criticism wave , when actually it 's a tsunami coming under Obama guidance. Now the tipping point will be the Iran-USA grand bargain ( no more nuclear armed- no more sanctions ) wich will follow very precisely the failure of those " peace talks " . At this point Israel will have lost his last political capital to attack and disable Iran nuclear arsenal , since Iran will be declared " safe and responsible " . Egypt : the military will face all kinds of European Union pressure to release Morsi and to reinstall the MB into power. Syria ; Assad is now safe thanks to Obama calculated " neutrality ".Altogether the estrangement and weakening of Israel into an impotent state will be complete thanks to Obama , the abyssal ignorance of USA jewry , and the lack of lucidity and resolve of the israeli governments .
51 weeks ago
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Then, plainly saying, this is nothing short of making the peace talks or peace process a mockery. The world knows, at least for those who closely follow the issue, the US clown(s) is exposed, his and their immortal bias.
51 weeks ago
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You can't have peace when Palestinians teach their kids to hate.
You can't have peace when Palestinians teach their kids to be terrorists.
You can't have peace when Palestinians already have broken the Oslo Accords, as per the above, and who knows what else.
You can't have peace when Palestinians want murderers and terrorists released so that they can be honored as heroes.
You can't have peace when negotiating with an illegitimate ruler like Abbas.
You can't have peace with Obama in the White House.
51 weeks ago
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"Will the Obama administration recognize a state of Palestine not achieved through negotiation with Israel?"

Not hard to imagine the hapless John Kerry and Barack "no friend of Israel" Obama saying yes, using the excuse of "bending to the international will."

Didn't Yasir Arafat enjoy being treated as a real diplomat in these dog and pony shows (aka "peace negotiations") instead of an international thief and terrorist ? Is anything under Abbas even half legitimate, given that his term ran out about 5 years ago ?

Anyway, I personally decree any step taken by the UN on any matter at all as illegitimate. And my assessment is as valid as anyone else's in this ongoing ridiculous morass.
51 weeks ago
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So, when Palestine is a state, will not a state of war soon exist between Israel and Palestine? (not to mention between Palestine as a proxy for others and all her neighbors). And once state on state war exists is not Israel freer to do what needs be done??
Just asking.
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51 weeks ago
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i was thinking that, when "Palestine" becomes a state, the first rocket that comes out of the West Bank or Gaza strip will be an act of war. It will be time for the Israelis to go "Roman" on them and put an end to the Palis.
51 weeks ago
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Didn't they say that after the gaza disengagement? How many nation's have supported Israel's responses to continued rocket fire from Hamas? I pray that once Israel is energy independent,it's tech and agricultural base will let them tell the UN, the EU and Obama where they can go.
51 weeks ago
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I can't wait. It's long, long overdue.
51 weeks ago
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I would think Israel would want Paleostinian state. As mentioned by others, Israel will be able to act against a state rather than a bunch of refugees. And when the dust settles and the smoke clears, Israel will own more land for settlements.

Eventually, the Paleostinians will again cease to exist as a separate group and go back to being Jordanians and Syrians as they were before Yassar and friends created them as a nation after the 67 war.
51 weeks ago
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Didn't someone here at PJM describe Obama as a "hacker of the U.S. Constitution?" that is, Obama studies the constitution so as to find its vulnerabilities, then (like a hacker) he exploits what he finds (to the detriment of the United States). I suspect Obama does precisely the same with the Israel-Palestine conflict. He focuses on specific areas in a quest to discover any "red lines" of the Israelis, then he finds ways to make Israel cross those red lines -- by presenting a "choice" between two equally vexious alternatives (I'm convinced that his goal is to destroy the state of Israel).
51 weeks ago
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America is with Israel ... but Obama? I'm still puzzled as to the extent of Obama's commitment to Israel; he's mouthed support but given his use of words for political gain; is he committed?
51 weeks ago
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He was quite clear in his book where he stated that if it comes to war, he will stand with islam.
51 weeks ago
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As Obama has done nothing right since his first inaugural
this is no surprise. Remember he is friends with Palestinian radical supporter Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi.

What I could never understand was how Americans who care about Israel could vote twice not once vote for Obama.
51 weeks ago
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Actually, Obama has done pretty much everything right. Its just that it isn't right to the rest of us.
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