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Massive Demonstrations Shake Turkey

June 2nd, 2013 - 3:22 pm

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I read an article many years ago on how revolutions get started and it outlined the steps. One was to hold a protest demonstration and try to provoke a strong govt. reaction that is seen by the people as an over reaction. Another bigger protest is held because more people are upset with govt. policies and actions. The govt. obligingly gets more violent and angers even more people. At this point it is near impossible to what back to civil relations and the govt. hardens their position and rule with little public support. This is a pattern that has been repeated in many countries. The original protesters pretend to become reluctant leaders of the aroused mobs. Govt. hubris works against compromise.
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Another Islamist dictatorship on the rise.
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Ten bucks says that Turkey will be a little Iran within 10 yrs...
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@Barry Is there any hope in Turkey for an alliance between urban modernists (the people who are demonstrating) and the disaffected Kurds at least some of whom are secular socialists to form an electoral majority? I know the PPK and any Turkish regime have been at loggerheads for a long time, but sometimes political landscapes change.
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@PacRimJim I am reminded of V.S. Naipaul's 1979 Among the Believers where he describes the the various factions and energies in the Islamic world. He describes how it is the rural village people in Indonesia who go into reactionary shock when they migrate to the big cities and try to recreate the simplicity of their childhoods through Islamism. I hope that we have not heard the last of Ataturk's reforms in Turkey.
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Israel, instigate, instigate, instigate, don't waste another crisis, Turkey is the exception where helping one side, the anti islamists, helps you. With all the other 4th century idiots send both sides ammunition.
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Typically, urban folk want reform, so dictators use rural folk as police to hold power.
There's a natural tension between the two groups, so dictators often resort to this expedient.
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This is such a sad development for Turkey. For almost a century they have benefited from the insight of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk that Turkey would be far better served by following the Western model, segregating religion from government, and liberalizing the country. And Turkey has had a modern economy, a democratic government, and far more individual liberty than any other country in the Middle East.

Ataturk put in place safeguards to prevent Islamists from taking back the country after his time, which did their job well until Erdogan. Erdogan purged the incumbent generals from the army, which had been set up as a check on religious capture of the government, and installed his own puppets in their place. That opened the door to impose Islamism on the people.

The Turks have now forgotten Ataturk, to their great peril.
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It was the EU that forced the obliteration of Attaturk's safeguards. All in the name of human rights and as a teaser for acceptance into the EU. Edrogan just took advantage of the breach they forced.
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My Turkish musician friend in Istanbul has been singing the praises of Mustapha Kemal for weeks. They haven't forgotten him a bit. It's worth speculating that a confederation of junior officers (which MK was when he began organizing to take down the Young Turk gummint at end of WWI) may make an attempt to overturn Erdogan to return power to the Army.
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I think Ankara deserves a little Arab Spring even if Turks aren't Arabs. Ataturk's solution to radical Islam (the Caliphate, if you prefer) is the correct one, at least for Turkey.
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Quote from article:

"Little or no provocation was offered by the crowd. Demonstrators charged that police undercover agents entered the protest areas, threw stones, and then went back behind the police lines. Oppositionists were especially outraged by the use of ambulances driving down streets to clear the crowds. Another tactic was to set tents ablaze and then claim the demonstrators had started the fires."

Sounds like American Union Members and police in Wisconsin.
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