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It could have gone like this:

Dear Prime Minister Netanyahu:

As Americans who have been and continue to be long-time supporters of Israel’s prosperity, security, and reputation, we were heartened by President Obama’s recent historic visit and his unequivocal assertion that “so long as there is a United States of America you are not alone.”

We believe that this is a compelling moment for you and your new government to continue to strive for peace, as you and other Israeli leaders have done for decades. We know you and Israel have long shown a commitment to a “two-states for two peoples” solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

We are also aware that the 1993 Israel-PLO agreement marked a courageous effort to resolve the conflict. We know that the Palestinian leadership did not live up to its commitments at many points during the 1993-2000 peace process era. Hundreds of Israelis were killed and wounded as a result of this sincere effort, and in 2000 PLO and Palestinian Authority leader Yasir Arafat rejected the offer of President Bill Clinton and Israel for a two-state solution. Instead, Arafat turned to a violent revolt that often used terrorism and lasted for six years.

We also remember how you responded to President Obama’s requests during his first term, including for a ten-month-long suspension of construction on existing settlements. We know that the Palestinian leadership did not negotiate seriously despite your efforts.

Nevertheless, without illusions and by taking minimal risk, it is worth continuing this effort for peace and cooperation with the United States. Of course, Israel should make no concessions—whether confidence-building or otherwise—without concomitant concessions by the Palestinian side. We will work to make sure that President Obama and the American public understand this point.

Among other things, your leadership would challenge Palestinian leaders to take similarly constructive steps, including, most importantly, a prompt return to the negotiating table. If the Palestinian leaders do not so respond we will be loud and clear in explaining to the U.S. government and American people that while Israel seeks peace, the current Palestinian leadership does not do so.

We believe that either way a flexible policy–which you also followed during President Obama’s first term–would be best. It will show President Obama and the American people Israel’s cooperation and true goal of achieving peace and it will challenge the Palestinian leaders to follow suit or be exposed for rejecting peace.

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I read the first couple of paragraphs of your post. Got the gist of what was coming and just COULDN'T STOMACH what I knew was coming.
Does anybody, including those who write these stupid letters of 'concern' really believe they get read?
I think it is like signing "Save the Whales" petitions, done at a high end cocktail party or gala ball, in front of your peers, solely for social aggrandizement.
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This post and the ensuing comments just go to serve my theory: American Conservatives love Jews, just not American Jews. Classic projection, how we wish American Jews were rather than how they are. The "self-hating Jew" argument is insulting to Jews everywhere, as if one faction, especially a non-Jewish faction, has the right to define the "good Jew".
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When will American Jews learn that the Palestinians have no intentions of living in peace with Israel as a Jewish state, even as every one of Israel's neighbors is a religiously cleansed Muslim state. In addition to 65 years of hard evidence and a steadfast refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist, the Palestinians have been nice enough to put their objectives to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews IN WRITING. Here's one example:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

What is Israel's compromise position supposed to be in any talks with such an adversary?
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Barry Rubin is a scholar and a highly moral and upstanding person. So I hope the criticism that follows is not taken personally.

Barry Rubin writes

"I support a two-state solution based roughly on the pre-1967 borders with relatively minor modifications, which is supposedly the same thing the signers want. But — and here’s where the letter misses the point — only based on a real deal which must be based on mutual compromises, an eagerness by both sides to make a lasting peace, and a structure that seems likely to make the peace lasting."

Barry Rubin seems to be advocating Barack Obama's position stated when Benjamin Netanyahu first visited Washington.

The concept of "two states for two peoples" implies that the Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians are a people. The Jewish People ARE a people with a four thousand year history. The Palestinians as a people were invented after the 1967 Six Days War as a tool with which to destroy Israel. Are the Arabs a people? Yes.

From Wikipedia:
"The standard definition of the Arab world comprises the 22 countries and territories of the Arab League stretching from the Atlantic Ocean in the west to the Arabian Sea in the east, and from the Mediterranean Sea in the north to the Horn of Africa and the Indian Ocean in the southeast.[1] It has a combined population of around 340 million people, with over half under 25 years of age."

This does not include the non-Arab regional Islamic nations of Iran and Turkey.

When are we going to stop repeating the nonsensical statement "two states for two peoples" ?

Let's consider this further. Before the Iranian revolution, Israel had very close relations with Iran. Israel imported most of its oil from Iran and there was a lot of trade and cooperation. Iran also received a huge supply of advanced weaponry from the U.S. Then the Shah was overthrown, and we know the rest. Iran is now Israel's greatest existential threat.

A similar thing happened with Turkey. Before the current Islamist regime took over, Israel had very good relations with Turkey. There was a lot of military cooperation, and Israel sold a lot of advanced weaponry to Turkey. Israel sent teams of rescuers and doctors to help Turkey when they had an earthquake. Now all that goodwill has completed evaporated. It has been replaced with open hate speech by the Turkish leader. How many people predicted that Turkey would revert from many decades of institutionalized secularism to Islamism?

So how, even in the most ideal hypothetical fantastical circumstances of present day peace, can Israel ever trust that a Palestinian state would not revert to Islamism? The reversion to the 1967 borders is suicidal.

But besides that, Judea and Samaria (Yehuda and Shomron) is Jewish land. It is the very heartland of the Jewish nation. Israel is a tiny spec on a world map; the Arabs have lands whose area is continental in size.
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Anybody with enough money or political clout can proclaim themselves to be a ," Jewish Leader ". Most of these self proclaimed poseurs are actually neither.
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They will never accept our existence, full stop.
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These sorts of letters are all too frequent and tedious (no doubt the signers wish/need to express their servility to their political Messiah). I'm sure Obama couldn't care less.
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"The job of Jewish leaders is to criticize their own side and urge it to be nicer, even if that costs the lives of other Jews (Israelis), while they risk nothing."

Is there a "not" missing from this sentence? As in "The job of Jewish leaders is NOT to criticize their own side...."
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I read that sentence as being deeply sarcastic (a "not" is not missing)...
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Those Brethren of yours are detached on the actual plight of Israel. Giving away the Land as a piece of meat to silence a growling bully. It won't solve the problem as proven through years of unreciprocated concessions. No Israel, no !!! Islamic culture is: they won't stand on their word. You yourselves can attest to that. The Holy Scriptures stated, time comes you will be pushed back further ...
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J Street is run by Jews who are anti-semiites. Bibi knows what he is doing for the most part. Concessions will not work with the Fakestinians. It has been tried many times and the end result in each case it has led nowhere or has to led increased violence against the Jews/Israel. The letter is asking Bibi to roll over and play dead. When will Jews learn that this does not work, that it is nothing but a pipe dream? The world as it stands today walks all over nice people, especially in the middle east.

If there is a war in the middle east involving Israel, I am sure that I can count on J Street and similar organizations not to back Israel.
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Dear Barry you write:
There’s nothing wrong with the letter’s specified intention to ask Netanyahu to cooperate with President Barack Obama and facilitate confidence-building measures to try to buy a Palestinian Authority willingness to negotiate.
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I support a two-state solution based roughly on the pre-1967 borders with relatively minor modifications, which is supposedly the same thing the signers want.
It proves, even garnished with assorted ifs, that you also don't get it. May i recommend to you Martin Sherman?
Yours
Ted Siman

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