So You Want to End the Israel-Hamas War? Here’s How To Do It
The same applies to permissiveness toward cross-border raids from Egyptian territory into Israel. Again, there have been lots of Western media items about how much Egypt is doing to stop such attacks or arrest those involved. The problem is that these efforts have been token ones mainly directed at ensuring the terrorists don’t attack the Egyptian military and don’t launch operations too often.
There has been a lot of talk in ruling circles in Egypt about revising the peace treaty with Israel. Well, Israel is open to negotiating an increase in the level of Egyptian military presence in the eastern Sinai as long as the additional soldiers are stopping smuggling into the Gaza Strip and the use of Egyptian territory to attack Israel instead of taking bribes and looking the other way, or even helping the terrorists.
One is free to look at such a solution in two ways. If you want, you can believe that Egypt really is ruled by moderates who put peace and prosperity over jihad on their priorities list. Alternatively, it is equally okay to think that the Muslim Brotherhood regime in Egypt is quite radical but that its interests dictate restoring calm and avoiding war for several years to come even though they would prefer otherwise.
What makes the difference is Israel’s credibility, willingness to defend itself, and ability to do so effectively. This situation was partly created because U.S. policy favored Hamas. Here’s what I wrote back in June 2010, before anyone had heard of an “Arab Spring,” when Obama pressured Israel to make life easier for the Hamas regime:
“Who’s really making the Middle East unsustainable? Barack Obama is with a policy of weakening your friends and helping your enemies get stronger. Note that Obama did not mention the conditions for easing the blockade–that Hamas abandon terrorism and accept Israel’s existence–nor did he say that anything the Palestinian Authority or Hamas is doing is ‘unsustainable.’ Only Western and Israeli policy are said to be unsustainable. In effect, Obama is saying that the policies of Hamas, Iran, Hizballah, and Syria, among others, are infinitely sustainable, especially because of his reluctance to do things to make them unsustainable. And thus in Middle East terms, he’s saying: Your intransigence has won. We couldn’t move you so our policy has failed. We must give in.”
Obama has now supported Israel’s right to self-defense and has been discussing a ceasefire with Turkey and Arab states. It is now the job of the United States, whose president has spoken and acted as if the government in Egypt is his client, and all the vaunted leverage that the U.S. government says it has gained in the Arabic-speaking world through various actions over the last four years. America and Europe need to use the aid and backing they have given to Egypt as a way to get something in return. And if, despite Egyptian efforts, Hamas still refuses a ceasefire, then the U.S. government and other Western states might well rethink their negative attitude toward an Israeli ground offensive.
Israel is refraining from a ground attack at the urging of Western countries, especially the United States, if it eventually gets something in return.
So far, Hamas has been turning down the efforts by Egypt and Qatar to broker a ceasefire, making huge and ridiculous demands. Hamas is banking on the idea that the suffering of Gaza’s people–a suffering that it adds to and fictionalizes–will bring enough Western sympathy to force Israel to stop fighting without conditions. It is not in anyone else’s interests to let this happen.
30-60 minutes ago a rocket fell a few buildings across the street from my appartment building in Beer Sheva. I couldn’t get close enough to see what happened. Meanwhile the Brits threatened us publically a second time that we’d lose the international legitimacy if we go on a ground offenseive. I’m probably evil, but I can’t wait for rockets to fall on London. How about a thousand rockets in a few days. They should live like me for their support of jihad. They should face jihad themselves, and the monstrosity of terrorists who fire on infidel civilians from the midst of their own civilians and have to decide how to deal with it. The so-called “international community”, including our great “ally” in America, are allowing us only limited self-defense. Our deterrence is already destroyed. If the West continues to force us into destruction I hope we take a lot of your oil with us.
Those who live far from the wreckage can afford to talk a ‘peaceable’ game. But those of us in the cross hairs – our families/soldiers too – dare not be so generous.
And the fact of the matter is, nothing will help, sans VICTORY over our enemies. But only IF our leaders don’t cave – again!
So, here are some updates for the readers…updating constantly -http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/19/hamasnick-terror-chiefs-dropping-like-flies-idfiaf-on-the-hunt-faster-faster-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
Besides, anyone who admonishes us to ‘cease & desist’ can go pound sand. They are defacto our enemies!
Sometime after the ’67 war, Rabbi Meir Kahane strongly counselled that Israel could not keep the land (West Bank and Gaza) and the people (Palestinian Muslims). If Israel wanted to keep the land, the people would have to be deported to Jordan and Egypt. Otherwise, they would remain a festering thorn in Israel’s side, a constant menace to security and survival. Israel chose to keep the land and the people—and what Rabbi Meir foretold is an everyday reality in all Israel. If Israel is serious about defence and very existence, the IDF will have to forcibly deport every last Gazan to Egypt and completely resettle the area. Only this will an unmistakable message be sent and heard by anyone who would trouble Israel. Muslims do understand brute force. Any lesser action, such as a cease-fire, will result only in a shortlived cessation. Isreal will be ‘nickeled and dimes to death’ by such a course.
You’re not evil. The British don’t even begin to understand Israel-’Palestine’, and when some of them get it, they dislike Jews who really want to stay Jewish (and therefore very ‘foreign’ or ‘Continental’), as opposed to the many who make a big show of how much they love the Queen and cricket, enough to favour the other side.
I can’t remember how many times I’ve tried to explain Israel-’Palestine’ to the Brits around me, thus. Suppose a radical faction of Republican Sinn Féin or the Continuity IRA or Real IRA seized power in the Irish Republic. Immediately on taking power, they started to fire rockets: not only across the land border to UK-ruled Northern Ireland (the existence of which they regarded as wholly illegitimate), but even across the Irish Sea to England, Scotland and Wales. The many millions of British people of Irish origin are conflicted: the attacks come from a patriotically Irish government that (a) wants Ireland to be very, very Irish, (b) wants a bit of revenge for past British misdeeds in Ireland – the massacres after the Battle of the Boyne, the genocide that was the ‘Potato Famine’ (what’s the Irish for Ukrainian Holodomor?), the ban on Catholic land-holding – and that resounds (at least a bit). And the ‘international community’ is entirely pro-Irish: the English local European empire that is the United Kingdom is no longer one of the heroes of the world scene, but one of its villains. What side would someone who’s trying to be fair be on, in this hypothetical scenario?
Actually, I’ve never got so far as to tell this whole story. ‘Fantasy!’, ‘Nothing to do with the situation we’re talking about!’ – these are the mildest things that get shouted at me, perhaps before I’ve quite finished my first sentence.
What,you are asking the British to imagine what it would be like for a politically supported Irish terrorist group to bomb the mainland!!
It’s because there has been over 30yrs of that very thing.
The I.R.A bombed church services on remembrance day,military hospitals,nearly wiped out the sitting Tory government with Thatcher,did kill judges,MP’S ,prison officers,pubs,clubs,market towns,shopping centres,members of the Royal Family,managed at 2 mortar attacks on 10 Downing St and M16 building.How long have i got.
As you know you don’t have to kill for it to be terrorism,the aim is to create terror,this was achieved by false coded bomb scares,some accurate,some leading to evacuation into the bomb.
During this time the main support was from the U.S. who refused to recognise the police force of Northern Ireland and gave political status to wanted and escaped convicted terrorists.
They even named a corner of a street in New York after one.They took the IRA off the terrorist list to allow fund raising,gave visa’s to known terrorist against the British Governments wishes.
The British made huge mistakes,internment without trial,this led to more terrorists,torture-looked stupid by claiming they believe in law and order .Killing civilians eg Bloody Sunday.Any heavy handed collective punishment didn’t work .
At no point did the British attack or invade the Irish Republic or carpet bomb Belfast,drop white phosphorous on New York and Boston were there was a lot of support and fund raising.They didn’t assassinate Gerry Adam’s leader of organisation whilst visiting the White House,or when he was being given an award by Rudi Guiliani
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/29/nyregion/at-city-hall-an-ira-leader-gets-a-warm-reception.html
Or would of been allowed to by the world community,besides the obvious reason’s why we shouldn’t of,it wouldn’t of worked
having lived in England at the time i do not recall the IRA calling for the genocide of all brits and the invasion of Britain by the Irish with the specific aim of subduing all Brits and converting them to catholicism.
The total number of British dead in one hundred years is less than the Jewish dead in 2000-2001
So the comparison is defamatory. All, the Brits had to do was leave Northern ireland. the Jews left Gaza from which they were attacked, left Sinai from they are still attacked and are rewarded for their weakness with a barrage
However, let us make a deal. Britain will take all the Palestinians, for Peace . That will be a fair compensation for having closed off the land of Israel to jews escaping Hitler.
It was Yohnitzl who brought up the I.R.A .
Read the manifesto The Green Book before you state what you think their intentions and aims are/were.
‘The total number of British dead in one hundred years is less than the Jewish dead in 2000-2001′
So the higher death count is the indicator of who is the victim and what distress is caused.By your method, the Palestinian people have had many more hundreds of deaths so you don’t think the jewish deaths are as important because they have less?
Every life is important and it’s disgusting to try to undermine lives lost and injuries of British and Irish civilians killed in terrorist attacks to a statistic.
‘ All, the Brits had to do was leave Northern ireland. the Jews left Gaza from which they were attacked’
Your a genius,you should of brought this at the time.For goodness sake.You obviously don’t know a thing about this topic but don’t let that stop you making that most stupid comment .
You must agree with terrorism as a method to change political status,a group blows up a pub and that is how you change sovereignty?
Oh by the way when did the ‘Brits ‘invade Northern Ireland like Israel did with Gaza ,so all they had to do was leave?
What are you talking about, we did leave Gaza, and they are still attacking us.
The British colonised Northern Ireland.
Paleasitian and other Arabs murdered 1% of the Jewish population here, and that’s just in 1947 -1949. In 1936 -1939, they murdered 400, and there was no State. In both cases, you Brits bear some culpability.
Simply put – the Brits never forgave us for taking their Mandate away. They wanted to rule “Palestine” forever.
Pnina : You’re not evil. The British have forgotten The Blitz, and they have gotten soft in the head. It’s a shame, they used to be a marvelous country. I wish Israel could retaliate with massed counterbattery fires, shelling out the grid squate from whence the rocket came. But they won’t and probably can’t because of the potential opposition from Libtards.
Egypt won’t help, either. They’re spoiling to get into the fray. They don’t realize that if Israel is destroyed, they will follow within hours. One nuke on the Aswan High Dam, and Egypt ceases to exist as a habitable place.
Let us not forget also that Britain is INFESTED with the worst of the islamic-fascist scum of the entire Earth. These are people who would be jailed or worse in their own countries for collusion with terrorists or for ACTUAL terrorism. Worse still, is the bafflingly credulous “Political Correctness” in Britain, which bend over backwards to “accommodate” the absolute worst of the worst. Welfare fraud, polygamy, paedophile-rape, street crime of every sort is what they receive in return. And the cherry on top, is that these barbarous-backward fanatics treat the locals with utter disdain, and insult their hosts in the most disgusting and assh*olish possible ways. The Brits are far, far gone and they are beyond irrelevant. They have gone over the the enemy.
You’re right, they are lost.
Three generations of my family went “Across the Pond” to pull their bacon from the fire…
Grand dad fought in the trenches, Pop sailed the Channel on D-day, I went to confront the Soviet Bear…
The fourth generation has recently stood with the R.M.C. in Afganistan, but the UK hasnt the stomach to be a “western nation” anymore…
We MAY begrudgingly support Old London somday, in the future, as a matter of Convenience…once more clean/contain the mess THERE because it affects us HERE.
But I would proudly risk my life for Israel any day of the week, because its the right thing to do.
They deserve it. The Brits dont.
Maybe England stil owesyou some payback for the King David hotel attack. The USA DEFINITELY owes you for:
1) The USS Liberty
2) The Federal Reserve Jewish counterfieting opp, that destroyed the dollar.
3) 1The 1965 Immigration Act – which created Open Borders for the USA
4) Cultural Marxism
5) Barry Sotoeoro.
So screw YOU.
OK we’re screwed
With thousands of missiles
with millions of Jihadis
Are you happy now or is this not enough
Are six million dead in gas chambers and trenches screwed enough for you or do you go for total genocide?
Incidentally , what has Barry to do with us? It is YOU who voted for him
Shame on PJ Media moderators for allowing this vicious a n t i S e m i t i c comment.
Naw – let the snakes show how slimey they really are!
Pnina,
I am an American and a Christian. First off, GO IN THERE AND KICK THEIR A$$!!!
Second, the “Arab Sring” is something the Obama administration is going to REGRET giving its “Total Support”. Now we see “demonstrations” in Jordan over fuel price increases. Is THIS the next “hot spot”? To explain in a Cajun way, “Cher, you in DEEP trouble!” We in the USA have been “propagandizd” with all the talk of “tolerance” and “Islamophobia”. Some of the “sheeple” are buying into it. With ever increasing Islamic “principals”(if you can call them that)are slowly INVADING our society. There is NO compromise between Sharia Law and the Constitution. People need to wake up to this fact. No compromise between Sharia snd Judeism. This “religion of peace” should practice what it protrays itself as. Or is this more “taqiyya”?
Third, You CANNOT “negotiate” with a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION! To put it in a way the “sheeple” will understand, James Bond cannot negotiate with SPECTRE.
While all this “negotiation” is going on, Hamas is RE ARMING! “Cut the jugular”, BLOCKADE ANY SHIPMENT from Iran. NOTHING goes in or out. Except maybe a volley from a half dozen 155mm Self propelled howitzers.
Keep your head down, your weapons at the ready, and GOD’S SPEED!
How do you explain to callous and morally superior people that someone wants to kill you just because you are you,and how humanity can turn a blind eye to this fact and in turn blame the victim for causing his own demise.Why should we care, because we are our brothers keeper.
many of us support you but have no way to show it.
so praying is all we have.
sorry.
Buy Israeli goods. There’s a thing called buycott where you can purchase Israeli goods here in the states, but you can also buy their stuff online.
I had my livingroom furniture and drapes done in Israeli fabric (good stuff!) and I buy Israeli wines.
Pray and use your pocketbook!
What would the USA do if Mexico began shooting rockets into our territory? With Obama in charge, we would probably arm our men with flyswatters and give the mexicans a large increase in foreign aid. If they could prove they were islamic jihadists the aid grants would be larger, of course.
But if we had a real president, an Andy Jackson, a Monroe, a Tyler, we would turn Mexico City into a parking lot within the hour.
This is all part of the CFR design for a New World Order controlled by them.They lend us the money to finance the wars they arrange; then profit in the trillions as they protract hostilities. And we are foolish enough to pay for it all, surrendering our constitutional liberties in the process; through apathy and ignorance.
Folks, many of us took an oath to defend our Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. At present our worst enemies are domestic: the president, the senate, the Court,the majority of the electorate. The composition of those bodies must be changed drastically. We must limit public office to those of Jefferson”s cadre of “the virtuous and talented”. A return to jeffersonian democracy is mandatory if we are to survive and return to a constitutional democracy. Other wise we will shortly become a communist dictatorship, vicious, abhorrent, disgusting in its demonicity.
@pnina
Stop blaming the international community. Rather ask yourself: why do you care? Why do Israelis look for approval from people who couldn’t care less to defend themselves?
Take out Hamas. Let the chattering classes weep for them. Make sure they have something to weep over. Only victory will buy you respect.
That’s because we depend on the US for weapon, and Europe is still our main export market and occasionally Euro personalities threaten sanctions and boycotts that will starve us. It’s not just talk, you have a gun pointed to our head. While Israel made considerable progress in creating our own technologies, as well as opening and increasing Asian export markets, we’re still depended on the West much like any Western country depends on the rest of the West. Our greatest challenge, IMO, is to increase our ties with non-Western countries to a point where they become more significant than at least Europe. And the only way for our military industry to become more independent is collaboration with strong nations who wish to become independent too (that would be mainly India). But that’s a long term plan. Meanwhile we have to survive that long, and the Western actual support for the strengthening of both Sunni and Shia jihadists is quickly becoming an existential threat.
Maybe I’m making the same mistake that Japanese made about the US, but I don’t think the Euroweenies have the guts to anything beyond the symbolic. And even if they do, it will, most likely, create opportunities for Israel elsewhere.
You folks are not going to have any peace while there are still Arabs (there is no such thing as a “Palestinian”) in Gaza and the West Bank.
Harry…perhaps you would like to be apprised of the latest news re the war front -http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/19/war-front-update-irans-hitlerite-regime-its-forward-arm-to-gazas-brotherhood-mafia-addendum-to-israeli-sabotage-via-its-elite-commandos-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
And those who have a problem with its contents, well, there is a bridge to jump off of, if you like.
Our forces are on the hunt…by air..land…and sea – finally!
GO IDF!!
“as well as opening and increasing Asian export markets”
And wait for an Islamist, nuclear equipped Indonesia to threaten all the MFG based economies of asia who suport Israel if she ever “gets serious” about defending herself.
Allies will abandon her and enemies will never be satiated …so you might as well make the Mohammadans PAY the bloodiest price you can exact from them. every time you have the chance
I don’t see the Americans as ever letting Israel down, even if they do invade. Why wouldn’t we keep selling you weapons? Your money’s pretty good
, and Americans support Israel 4:1.
Europeans are another question, admittedly, but I don’t see Americans letting you down. Even President Obama can only do so much against you, as we have seen in recent developments. He does want the Jewish vote for the Democrats …
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God bless Israel and all Christians and Jews that live therein. We stand with you!
Four times the Arabs tried to exterminate the Jews. Here is the record of the US:
1948 – Arms embargo. Neutral.
1956 – Actively opposed Israel. Made us return the Sinai.
1967 – Officially neutral.
1973 – Officially on Israel’s side, but squeezed Israel until Syria was almost in Tiberias. Dithered over resupplying Israel while the enemy was inside our borders. Finally sent supplies, but that almost didn’t happen.
That is why.
Only Victory will buy you respect. Amen.
Double Amen!!!
I expect that an IDF excursion into Gaza will be meet by the Egyptian Army.
The MB purged the Egyptian Generals that would have resisted such a mistake. The MB approved Generals have not yet learned their lesson.
Warriors, no matter how fanatical, have never been able to defeat soldiers. History is rife with examples. The IDF will slaughter the Egyptian army yet again.
That will require the full strength of the IAF. There will be no assets for an air strike on Iran. So Israel will either go nuclear or watch Iran finish their bomb.
With Syria sill in a state of civil war, Jordan keeping a low profile, the army of Allah waiting to see which side wins and the USA in a secession crisis, the temptation for Iran to go nuclear will be hard to resist.
Iran doesn’t have a viable delivery system so they will need to smuggle in a nuke through Jordan or Lebanon.
It really sucks to live in interesting times.
“I say we pull out and nuke ‘em from orbit. It’s the only way to make sure.”
- FO Ripley.
&hetro108,
LMFAO over the “Ripley remark”!!!! ;>)
Alien II. There are times when it seems appropriate.
One of the few sequels by Hollywood that matched the first movie. III was a dog.
Daniel is correct. The reaction of the international community was to be expected. I would argue that Israel should have put in place plans for a rapid response ground offensive in order to avoid the kind of mau mauing we see now. This is a repeat of Gaza 2009 and Lebanon 2006. I don’t think anyone should be surprised.
Everyone has argued that Israel only need deter Hamas. I disagree, because next time Hamas will have even more sophisticated weapons, anti-aircraft batteries, and perhaps Egyptian military support. What are you going to do then?
Look, it’s obvious more should be done. Our main problem, however, our most dangerous enemy for the time being whether wittingly or not, is the West. In the future a nuclear Iran and possibly other nuclear regional powers will be our most dangerous enemies, but that couldn’t have happened if the West didn’t allow it, so today our problem is the West. As for the current operation it’s Obama together with the European leaders that are now twisting our hand to stop at this stage. So the question is how do you suggest we deal with the West?
A ceasefire now will be very temporary, likely less effective than Cast Lead. Worse yet, if you listened to the details of the negotiations Hamas will have some achievements in return for just stopping the fire, which means we are the ones begging for a ceasfire. Why? Because we fear the West, our most lethal “ally”. Hamas will be the winner which will destroy what little deterrence and credibility we still have in the region and will encourage every regional bully because if an organization like Hamas can bring us to our knees anyone can. Of course, the truth is that it’s Obama and the Euros that bring us to our knees, but that doesn’t really matter – not only will we be perceived as weak, we truly are weak since we have to fight not only Hamas and Iran, but the West. So how do you suggest we deal with the West?
The big players in the West – US and EU – are broken and weak in the face of Islamist threats both military and cultural. They hardly matter anymore. Canada is strong in its support, at least for now, under Harper. Australia is holding firm too. There are also threats of succession in the US and this could force Obama to hold to a more supportive line with Israel. As for the EU, the anti-Islamism popular movements are growing apace and this will influence the politicians. All of those unhelpful enemy-like “allies” are in trouble themselves and I don’t think they’re in a position to bully Israel too much. You’re doing the right thing to lessen your reliance on them but they also rely on you to be the strong stand against Islam that, deep down, they know they need.
Oh, they are strong enough to bully us. The minute one person has something you need for survival and he tells you he’ll deny it from you unless you do as you’re told you’re in his hands. Until we’re able to very significantly reduce our dependence there will be no solution.
You say (emphasis mine), “Canada is strong in its support, at least for now, under Harper.” You can see for yourself how fragile it is. Harper is in his second term, it’ll only be a couple of years before he’s gone. If the left will be elected next Canada will have the same stand as the Euros. Even if the conservatives are elected the PM might not be as pro-Israel or pro-truth as Harper. But either way Canada is not that important to our survival. The US is. The next American president may be very different from Obama, but like Harper, it would be temporary. American alliances seem to be a partisan matter now. The right wishes to preserve the US traditional allies and the left wishes to ally with the Muslims, the socialist and communist regimes and perhaps the Russians, or at the very least be neutral. And not even all conservatives support Israel. If Ron Paul is elected we’ll be deader than with Obama.
The basic problem is that we need the US for weapons, and our economy depends on the European export markets. The European markets have shrunk anyway because of the recession. If the EU decides to implement sunctions against us it’s hard to see how we can survive that at present. The fact both the EU and US are weakening leads to the same conclusion. If we depend on you we’ll go down with you. Of course, you may still recover and prevent your downfall, but that will require considerable traumas, strong enough for the majority of people to wake up from the Matrix-like virtual reality imposed by the cultural elites. That happens very slowly while developments in the Middle East are happening very quickly nowadays. You may survive your belated recognition of reality, but we’re on the front line.
We have this absurd situation where a genocidal jihadist government in Gaza, one that openly declared its goals to be the destruction of Israel and killing the Jews in general (see Hamas charter, TV, educational system and Arabic speeches), intentionally targets civilain populations in Israel, firing from within civilian populations in Gaza, and it’s Israel that is demanded to protect the Gazan civilians even at the expense of our own civilians, and that’s held responsible for the inevitable Gazan casualties. Isn’t the government supposed to protect its own citizens? Isn’t that the first duty of the government? Isn’t the first thing to do to achieve this protection is to NOT fire from the midst of your own civilian population and NOT use civilian infrastructure for military purposes? Why isn’t Hamas held responsible? Why should I live and die under constant barrages of rockets to protect the Gazans from their own government? One to which, BTW, they gave a majority in parliament. In the last 10 minutes I had to run for shelter 3 times. How can a country function like this for prolonged periods? If we don’t stop the rockets we’d collapse.
Any effective self defense will cause many civilian casualties in Gaza because Hamas uses civilians as human sheilds, so we’re not allowed effective self defense at pains of isolation, which means starving our economy and denying us military equipment – either die slowly or die quickly, our “allies” tell us. Hamas is a monster and its tactics work because the West is a monster too. They don’t pressure Hamas with the leverages they have. They demand us to continue be sitting ducks, and they forbid us to try and prevent Iran from going nuclear. You will eventually murder us while pretending to be our allies. We must find alternatives fast. This should be a priority as high as the Iranian nukes because the West is not less lethal, just more hypocritical. As long as all our eggs are in one treacherous basket we might as well start writing our obituary.
The West is not less lethal, just more Hypocritical. Israel, put your trust in your weapns, in the IDF and in God. Europe will not save you, Obama will not save you. Trust in your weapons, the IDF and God.
Here’s a good bit of advice.
Find a way to get the American Jew to vote for somebody except democrat, liberals who hate Israel and wish to see the nation destroyed to please the Muslims.
Until you change those American Jews political preference those same Jews will vote Israel and it’s citizens into gas chambers.
Frankly speaking My own country is falling apart while I watch, and the fellow citizens for the most part don’t care. in fact they vote in the people who will put them in gas chambers to save the planet for the children of the future, those not aborted or assigned genders according to someone in government who wishes their fantasy world was real.
I cannot help Israel, I cannot help my country keep from heading down the path of slavery and death at the hands of it’s own people.
My advice is to forget what the world says and thinks, hit the palis hard as hell make it so two rocks don’t sit together when your done and the only thing living in Gaza is the vultures.
Sometimes you have to dump civilized behavior and fight like you want to win and survive.
Good luck, and good Hunting IDF.
Pnina, bullies are only ever as powerful as their victims allow them to be. So long as Israel is led by the likes of Bibi, the bullies will not prevail. So long as Israelis keep voting him in, then they are showing the right kind of courage. Jews have spent a long long time being a weak and oppressed people. They’ve been building a backbone fast. While the rest of the West has been bending its own back to Islam, Israel shows how to stay firm and also keep to the high ethical principles of the modern world. Stay strong, stay courageous, and continue to be a light unto the nations, the only light we have in this bleak world today.
pnina – Make the rubble bounce, for a while.
Both are incredibly corrupt. I’m sure you’ll be able to find a seller to get what you need. Get a proxy buyer if you have to. This is your survival we are talking about!
Another thing…your intellectual property is what keeps us going. That is worth something. Use that leverage.
Its “secession”. And Obama would love to see such an rebellion. It would give him a rationale for a civil war which could be arranged as a genocide, eliminating everyone except blacks and the CFR members who would rule them. All assets would then become the property of CFR families, and Barryboy, to his surprise ,would be assigned a shoeshine bench in Grand Central Station. The devil has the habit of rewarding his most faithful adherents with damnation.Thats all he really has to offer. Note Bene, Barryboy.
“So how do you suggest we deal with the West?”
Buy time. The West is hastening to an economic meltdown of its own making and with it goes their power projection abroad along with media attention.
So how do you suggest we deal with the West?
Look to the East. Not just India, and Japan, but China. They need to open up more export markets and they don’t care about anyone but China. You need a trading partner, as soon as Europe sees you talking with China they will spend less time worrying about Hamas. Particularly Russia.
And cut off water and electricity to Gaza today.
All’s fair in love an war. Defend yourself with every weapon at your disposal and tell the West and the U.N. to take STFU.
God Bless you Israel.
The Arabs have more moeny than us, therefore they can bully other countries into not selling to us. Furthermore, not only does the US have the best stuff, but we are tied into their system.
Finally, we can’t afford too high a stockpile, so we need resupply in the middle of a war. Do you have any idea what those Iron Dome missles cost?
Hey Barry, speaking of media, can you please tell me who is this CNN entity called “Nathan Brown”?
There is a fourth thing that Israel needs to do, Barry. Re-take Gaza and put it under Israel control.
I couldn’t agree more but the timing needs to be right for this. And public opinion does need to swing more toward Israel. I think it is doing this. In contrast to Cast Lead, today we’re also seeing footage of genuine massacres in Syria and tragically but fortuitously for Israel, Egypt has just “massacred” a busload of young children through its own negligence.
Global response towards Syria has been apathetic.
Public opinion is not swinging more toward Israel. Obama put the ball in Morsi’s hand because he knows Morsi either can’t or won’t broker peace.
It’s 1939 again and this time Israel(Jews)need to do what they must do to survive; THIS time regardless of public opinion or international pressure.
I wish you were right about public opinion turning towards Israel but I just don’t see it. When there are murders of innocents by the Egytpian and Syrian governments, Americans don’t seem to care or chalk it up to “culture” but when Israel defends itself and at times, inadvertently killed civilians, they are compared to Nazis, despite the fact that the Pallies’ entire strategy is to maximize their own civilian casualities, then wage a PR campaign against Israel. As long as the American press is anti-Israel (which it appears to be, though I chalk alot of the pro-Pally press as the left’s constant pathetic attempts to back the “poor oppressed underdog”), there won’t be a shift in this country. Frankly, I’m appalled at the blatant anti-semitism in this country and the depths of the hatred much of the American left has for Israel, much of which comes to the surface when Israel’s (rightly) defends itself.
I had an argument with an anti-Israeli leftist the other day – he had the usual leftist trope- Israel is a murdering country and stole land from the pallies and its all Israel’s fault- I pointed out that Hamas had fired somewhere between 600-700 missles into Israel over the last year or so. He claimed I was lying – I provided him with multiple sources for those figures- he claimed those sources are lying and its the “Israeli Propaganda Machine”. Unfortunately, you can’t argue with that level of sheer stupidity and willful ignorance- its the same attitude that got Obama re-elected.
Matt, I also find the Israel bashers tiresome but this is also a kind of war and you need to keep up the ammunition supplies and choose the right tactics. If you lose a battle here and there, it’s not over. Morale is important in war and it’s good that Israel supporters have a place like this to talk about the problems they encounter.
In my own discussions with Israel bashers I try to refer to wikipedia as much as I can, especially on straight factual issues like the rocket attack numbers. The local lefties (here in Australia) do respect wikipedia as an authority. So do try sending people here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
It’s useless to refer people to Jewish websites or Jewish authors. Face that reality, live with it, and work around it.
The Western leftist Israel bashers and the Islamists are both Jew haters. Forget the amby-pamby label “anti-semitism”. Call your enemy what it plainly is: Jew hatred. Both of these groups hate Jews because historically the Jews have rejected their panaceas, deep down they know their panaceas are failing, and in their despair they hope that taking down the rejecters will somehow make everything OK. It won’t … but they’re too blind to see that.
I quite agree but the timing must be right for this.
The timing is right for this. If not now, when?
We’ve been playing this game for 50+ years. When is it the right time? When Iran nukes Tel Avive?
Walt C, I can’t say when the time is right. Not precisely. But I have a sense of its coming pretty soon. I have a lot of trust in Bibi and his cabinet. On the other side, I see floundering. The US, the UN, the EU, the Arab League. Floundering. Over Syria most obviously. But none of them has any sensible answers for Israel either. I see strength in Israel and floundering everywhere else. The time must be approaching. Maybe not precisely tomorrow, but soon. I’m convinced that 2013 will be memorable, in a positive way, for Israel.
One of the objectives of the IDF in their war with Hamas is to try to avoid as much as possible civilian fatalities. The extreme measure in which the IDF seeks to stay clear of casualties is commendable, but is it smart? Nonetheless, here lies a basic problem with this concept of trying to elude fatalities; how does one distinguish who is a military combatant verses a civilian combatant? Any civilian who helps military combatants either by protecting, providing food, intelligence or shelter is in reality a combatant albeit a civilian combatant.
If Israel wants to win the war against Hamas, it must be willing to completely destroy all combatants whether military or civilian. Most civilian combatants are helping directly and indirectly the Hamas ground forces. The myth that most of the people in Gaza are suffering and are repressed under the regime of Hamas is a partial fabrication. Many civilian combatants applauded the work that Hamas is doing, because like their counterpart they want to see Jews dead. We must remember that many families willingly give their sons to Hamas so they could be martyrs and kill as many Jews as possible. Neutralizing or crippling the enemy never wins a war. What wins a war is totally victory over their dead enemies not the walking wounded.
Second, the notion that is often said in Israeli circles: “We don’t want to rule over another people” is completely flawed and a paradigm shift is needed. Ruling over a people or ethnic group is not instinctively evil. Most countries of the world rule over their ethnic, racial or religious minorities with very little opposition and in peace. In order to do this, Israel must annex Gaza and take back what it gave away in good faith for peace. Israel was attacked first by Hamas and Israel has the right according to international law to take capture and take back the land.
Lastly, you occupy the land once again for keeps. In the process of inhabiting the land you begin to build a future for both Palestinians and Israelis. The international community can help the process by building hotels, investing in infrastructure, schools, creating businesses that will attract foreign investment and whatever it takes to make Gaza a major attraction in the Middle East. In the end, this is the best way to win the Hamas-Israeli war.
I would agree that the brightest future for Gaza – including for its Arab residents – lies in Israel reasserting control of this territory.
Dunno. If Israel has control of the area, they might have to give the murderous vermin a vote. Better to ethnically cleanse Gaza and drive its inhabitants out into the Sinai and the Med.
Dear Israel, Destroy your enemy.
“It is now the job of the United States, whose president has spoken and acted as if the government in Egypt is his client, and all the vaunted leverage that the U.S. government says it has gained in the Arabic-speaking world through various actions over the last four years.”
Ya, about that…
Anybody hear from Obama, Hillary or any of the dems? How about Susan Rice the bag lady? Where are the grand interventions and the photo ops. No to say something now is to accept some responsibility. So what do these inept fools do? Run to Myamar or Burma and photo op somewhere else. The solutions posed for ending the war actually only count if someone in the US is listening and gives a damm. So far the libs are still partyiing and telling us to tax the rich. They cannot be bothered with real issues like Benanzi and the war ripping apart the middle east.
To me there is one, and only one, Israeli action which can end this nonsense; to wit: to invade north of the Rafah crossing, and secure a three miles strip from Rafah north, This way there would be no tunnels, no Egyptian smuggling, and, after a time, no more missiles shot into Israel. To do anything else is simply short term expedience.
No matter the weakness of an enemy: if you allow that enemy to attack you with impunity, soon or later, it will inflict grievous harm on you. This is certain.
parchellan
P. S. As far as Israel pleasing Obama, that is both bootless and a fool’s error; Obama detests Jews — and hates Israel. To base any long term strategy on the belief that Obama is benevolent towards Israel is a form of suicide over the long term.
How about doing something completely weird. If Israel unilaterally introduced its own U.N. resolution declaring Gaza a nation state with all the privileges attached, it would accomplish several things. It would remove from the table one of Hamas’ complaints of international unfairness. It would change the status from a quasi-gov’t entity that exists only on the sufferance of the international community to one that sits at the international table in its own right. Of course the corallary is that it might be required to accept responsibility for actions conducted within its borders that affect regional peace. What Hamas does now with little international response, would become the exercise of warfare by a nation-state and the response might change. Oh wait, the response would be from the U.N., sorry about that.
Since relocating the entire Arab population of Gaza is now probably impossible, resuscitating Egypt’s claim to rule over Gaza is probably the most stabilizing option out there. Self government for the residents of the Strip is the worst option of all and will only lead to endless repetitive cycles of cross border violence. No, let the Egyptian’s administer it(the Strip) and have the headaches associated with directly controlling their “little Muslim Brothers”.
It’s not impossible. California had a pretty big fire a few years ago and they evacuated over a million people. It can be done. Just think of the pals as a pandemic.
Regardless, Israel needs some sort of buffer zone whether they take all of Gaza back or not. Any sort of movement within the zone and BLAM! All gone!
Egypt used to rule Gaza. We were attacked by terrorists from these. We can’t trust them.
In this particular war, it’s Orwellian to think making war can end it.
This will never be resolved until a Palestinian state is created that is forced by the international community to have real democracy with guarantees about church and state and hate speech and a real Bill of Rights.
That will pull the teeth from the Islamists. It will put the onus of maintaining peace on those outside the war zone who cry the loudest about Palestinian rights. They want rights, make sure they have enough to not be able to wage war or indulge in hateful rhetoric. Let them have all the rights in the world: for gays, women and Christians too.
With a democracy in a new Palestine, the people in the surrounding Arabs states, especially Egypt, may be shamed into adopting a real Constitution, as they were shamed into throwing out Mubarak by a Tunisian fruit vendor.
Nothing can be done as long as rabble rousers can agitate without consequence in the West Bank and especially Gaza. Without a surrougate in Gaza, Egypt would be helpless to create trouble on their border with Gaza and Israel.
Israel may be making a mistake by not putting the burden for peace on the very international community that is whining the loudest. Something has to change and thinking outside the box is the only hope. Otherwise have another 60 years of the same thing.
Please cite one example were placating any terrorist by giving into their demands has resulted in them quietly saying … ‘ok, thank you, lets live in peace now’ as they disarm and go to work.
One example only would be nice.
If history is any indicator, once the islamo-terrorists have another state, they will then demand free & unfettered access to the rest of Israel.
Give me an example where I wrote anything about placating terrorists and I’ll provide the example you asked for.
In theory.
“In this particular war, it’s Orwellian to think making war can end it”
There is your example of placating terrorists. By saying that they cannot and should not be exterminated, you are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
I’ll get censored for this but killing 1,000 (operation cast lead) bought 4 years of reduced hostilities. If 100,000 are killed, will it buy 400 years of reduced hostilities? Won’t know until you try.
PBUH- Place Bomb Under Hood?
Good thing you’re not in charge of trying. Your comment is insane.
“… the people in the surrounding Arabs states, especially Egypt, may be shamed into adopting a real Constitution”
Shamed?
A Mohammadan, shamed?
What planet have you been inhabiting lately.
They are THE most shameless people on earth.
Lying is a sacrament to them. Double dealing, double-crossing treachery and broken contracts are their hallmark. Its who they ARE.
They strap bombs to kids with Downs Syndrome because they don’t realize what they’re doing. They will murder their own children if they think a sympathetic news crew would report it as “collateral damage” from an Israeli strike.
Their lack of shame, of principal, of honesty, of integrity, are their strongest WEAPONS against us. Such concepts are WESTERN JUDEO CHRISTIAN principals to be EXPLOITED by they who revel in lowness.
They Lie, constantly, in the face of incontrovertible facts, and do so without even the slightest HINT of what we would call “shame”
And they KNOW we know they are lying, every time they speak…
And it AMUSES them, to see us so continuously flustered and thrown off balance by their repeditive, total, complete and incorrigible lack of SHAME, in the face of our earnest desire for Peace.
They want us dead. Period.
“Shame” simply does not exist in their character, their culture, or their vocabulary.
Lying is not a hallmark of Islam or Arabs. You are a bigot. Don’t confuse criminals and activists with normal people. Imagine me saying such a thing about Jews.
And no “they” don’t want “us” dead. You’re talking about a billion frickin’ people. Most of them are quite nice.
As for the idea of shame, I emphasized Egypt, and for a reason. You would’ve had to be in Egypt at the time of the Tunisian uprising to understand the shame Egyptians felt that they could not fight for a democracy in the face of a dictatorship as well as Tunisians. It galvanized the Egyptians – Mubarak fell. It happened. This is the planet I inhabited at the time.
You’re joking, right? They even have a word for it: taqiyya; where they are allowed to lie to infidels (us and everybody else) to further islam.
It’s not being a bigot – and calling someone a name (a false name) because they know their enemy is a tactic of a 5th column insurgent.
Again, who’s “they?” You think every Muslim in the world is on board with taqqiya and working to discomfit you? I doubt if most of them even know what the hell it is. Having said that, I’m not in favor of Muslims being allowed to emigrate to America, but it’s cuz of the few, not the many. I don’t care if the many are put out. It’s not like it’s a right. If Islam’s so great stay within it.
To be clear:
“they” are Mohammadans…that is, those who revere and follow the way of Mohammad.
He was not a nice guy, he was no one you’d ever want living in your neighborhood.
Not because I say so, but because THEY say so, in their sacred texts that clearly and proudly reveal the ruthless violence and treachery he used to obtain POWER.
Mohammad was a murdering savage, a hateful, hate FILLED, genocidal S.O.B. worthy of nothing but universal scorn, ridicule and yes, hatred for the misery and death his physical deeds wrought here on earth.
Mohammad was the embodiment of all negative human traits… he was a curse, and perhaps even a warning, of just how dark the human soul can become when one is obsessed with violence, loot, treasure, rape, humiliation, torture and POWER. He was evil, plain and simple. The was THE ORIGINAL poster child of someone seduced by “The Dark Side of The Force”….before Hitler and Darth Vader, there was Mohammad.
Read the Koran.
Read the Hadiths.
Listen to them in every Mosque world wide, as they pledge “eternal enmity”, that is, hatred…to us Infidels FIVE TIMES EVERY DAY.
They do not pray for Love. Or cooperation. Or for Revelation in the sad and hopeless, they do not pray a new glow of humanity and grace will alight in the souls of non-believers, and bring the peace, welcoming them to the Love of a God who weeps for their every pain, and treasures them as children.
No.
They get on their knees, FIVE TIMES A DAY, to curse us, and to pledge allegiance to the man sworn to kill and enslave us all.
That is the Way Of The Prophet.
There is no OTHER way.
Not because I say so, but because THEIR sacred texts say so.
I did not write them.
I will not attempt to insert some Christian theory into them.
They are what they are, and the message is clear to anyone who (honestly) reads them.
The “nice ones” you (think) exist, have been polluted with “western” ideas of peaceful co-existence, of prosperity through industry and cooperation, kindness, forgiveness and acceptance. The “nice ones” you (think) exist are called Apostates. And they are openly cursed by The Prophet Mohammad himself, who clearly warns of such “softness” towards the Infidels, and forbids “taking their way” of peaceful coexistence.
Period.
End of story.
That, sir, is who “they” are.
The “nice ones”, the ones who perhaps wouldn’t kill your children themselves……they also wont raise a finger to stop it. When the time comes, and “the infidels” are slaughtered, bombed, terrorized, even Nuked, they may not bloody their hands themselves, they may not have the hardness of heart to do the deed themselves, but they WILL accept the outcome as “the way it must be” with no remorse whatsoever.
That is who “they” are.
“In this particular war, it’s Orwellian to think making war can end it.”
It works in all other wars. Ask the people in Sri Lanka how they feel about their war being ended by their military, making war. And we don’t have to even think about going Godwin, from the Falklands to Kuwait, plenty of examples of ending a war by making war. It’s a regular feature of history.
But not in “this particular war”? Why not? It’s got Jews in it?
I used the word “particular” is comparison to say, the Civil War or WW II, where violence obviously did solve the main issue. Namely the Confederate South, the Empire of Japan and Nazi Germany.
I just don’t think that violence will work in this situation. Israel can’t go in and scour out Gaza and Hamas and put a democracy in its place. The international community, using an army of occupation, could. Hamas and a lack of democracy are the obvious problems in Gaza. Take one out and put the other one in.
Hamas keeps it’s head down, take missiles, assassinations and attacks, and pops right back up again. It’ll do so forever if a lasting solution is not found. Israel cannot impose a lasting solution on their own.
“Israel cannot impose a lasting solution on their own.”
Sure they can. It’s interferance from the “international” community that has kept this thing going for so long.
If Israel were left to deal with it theirselves this would be done! Over!
There is already a palistinian state. It’s called Jordan.
sounds good.
let me know when Jordan puts up the land for it.
A perfect solution would be to round up ALL the “Palestinians” and ship them to Chicago, Detroit, Boston, DC, Cleveland, Los Angeles, etc., and then force Israel to accept all refugees from Obama’s regime into Israel along with the entire US Military (since Obama doesn’t want the Military anyways). Perfect. Obama gets a huge number of new Democrat voters while Israel can police the planet.
“…This includes a personal cost to those who have taken the lead in attacking Israel and especially to those who have organized terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians…”
Those who have taken the lead in attacking Israel are the Imams and the Ayatollahs. The enemy of Israel and Western Civilization is Islam.
You have it all wrong.
Here are the real requirements for peace in the Middle East.
1) The West withdraws all aid to the Palestinians. They have had 64 years to rebuild their lives and start earning their own bread. Contrastt it with the Greek Cypriots or the Oriental Jews who were never given a 64 years pass to do nothing. Furthermore given the Palestinians have diverted our money on terrorism and Kassams we should require they refund every single cent since 1948 adjusted for inflation. Having to work to earn a living would let them less leisure for military and terrorist training. It is a scandal to be feeding overwight Palestinians while thetre are people starving in Darfur.
2) The West tells them that Israel has the same rights than any other state ie do what is needed to protect its population without caring about collateral damage. That is Palestinians’s not Israel’s problem. The Geneva Conventions say that if you hide between civilians and use them as human shields while firing at the enemy, he is not only free to retaliate in the most militarily efficient way (eg using artillery for instance) but you are the war criminal subject to execution in case of capture. And BTW unlike what happened after Cast Lead we should tell them we will not rebuild what Israel destroys. (That is a corollary from first propossition).
It is our aid and our permission to the Pestinians to fight dirty who is perpetuating this conflict.
And now let’s use the money we are ging to the Palestiniand on people who deserve it and are really starving.
“It is our aid and our permission to the Pestinians to fight dirty who is perpetuating this conflict.
Exactly!
If you can’t win under the rules, change the rules.
The next time Hamas lobs missiles at Jerusalem, Israel should have a few stealthed warplanes present. Have them fire off several exact Hamas knock-off missiles at the Dome of the Rock. Turn it into rubble.
Gee, I bet “Arab Solidarity” would pretty much vanish during the internecine fighting that would ensue.
No need for knock-offs. The Israeli Army is no doubt rolling up cells and taking the rockets. Just launch a few from Gaza in the middle of the night and call it a day.
This is all so foolish, its never ending cycle and has been for years. Its frustrating. I just read that Netanyahu has now said that the coming spring is a “deadline” for some kind of action concerning the Iranian nuclear activity…how many of these “deadlines” have been set and passed already? I seems to always be “this spring” or “this autumn” its all nonsense. This will continue until action is taken, and I don’t mean a ceasefire. Why in the world would anyone agree to stop hitting someone that attacked them first? Foolishness.
How to end it.
Turn Iran, Egypt, and the House of Saud into sheets of glass.
Then take out the long knives and turn Gaza red with the blood of Hamas.
Oh, if the world was just!
My GOD you DEVILS are blood-thirsty psychos. Go back to your father in H e ll.
We Devils ain’t the ones lobbing rockets and missiles into Israel every day.
If I was an Israeli I’d be lobbing sarin back.
I know, I’m a devil.
Yes, being nice to people who want you dead is sooooooo effective. What world do you live in Pollyanna?
Glad to. — Will you join us and make the intro’s?
I don’t drink the blood of Muslim terrorists. It’s bad for your health.
I agree: lobbing missiles and rockets does not require nuclear genocide. Murdering people wholesale will not be done in any event. But it does show how people can be part of the problem and not the solution. The hate is not going to go away. The solution is to dismantle the institutions in Gaza that enable violence. That violence will never end until the Palestinians have a state and with a democracy with human rights and Islam kicked into mosques.
Ok, Fail Burton. How do you propose to make that happen?
Blah, blah, blah, says the guy who hopes his head is sawed off last. Just remember….by the time they get to you that blade will be REAL dull……
FYI – the pals already have a state – it’s called Jordan.
Islam demands violence and murder from its followers. The only way to stop them from killing is to make it so that they no longer have the physical capacity to kill.
Your sunshine and camel-poop world where Islamic Adherents should be allowed to murder freely betrays you as completely tone-deaf.
Meh…..you just don’t have the stomach to win THE fight for survival. You’d prefer to die by a thousand paper cuts.
you fight cancer by annihilating it not playing kumbaya with it.
Better a devil then a coward!
Oderint dum metuant
Your three conditions boil down to one: Hamas must lose and lose totally. Wars are ended when one side is unable/unwilling to fight any more, but the western world has never allowed Israel to completely crush those who attack it.
Amazes me how some people try to judge Israel when they retaliate because of thousands of rockets landing on their homeland and frightening their families.
If Hamas were attacking us from Mexico,
we would bomb them back into the Stone Age.
and rape their women..
I’m sorry, but I think you have ENTIRELY too much faith in the OBAMANATION government.
lol! Yeah – he’d be offering them land for peace!
YUK!
Rather “surf the net”, if you know what I mean
The Gaza problem is easy to solve… bomb it flat, bounce the rubble, and shoot anyone who tries to escape. The Gazans voted overwhelmingly to have Hamas as their government. Decisions have consequences.
Dead-right Dave…
They are more complicit in terror, in knowing EXACTLY what their side is up to, than your average German in Dresden ever was, thats for sure.
It’s time to draw the curtain over all of this. Egypt’s government, the muslim brotherhood, does not desire a ceasefire and supports hamas’ lobbing missiles into Israel. And Israel has no way to make both hamas or Egypt want a ceasefire and a cessation of hostilities.
The only solution for Gaza -not the west bank- is for Egypt to annex it. The biggest mistake Begin made is going along with Carter and allow Gaza to remain in limbo. At the time Begin should insisted that Gaza be part of Egypt in exchange for The Sinai. In the current configuration Israel must insist and hold Egypt responsible for Hamas’s actions. Of course is not going to be easy, but given Egypt’s economic condition and the dissatisfaction of its people a little pressure can go a long way. Unfortunately we do have an U.S President who don’t care neither for U.S world leadership nor Israel. One should wonder if he really cares about his own Country’s future.
“One should wonder if he really cares about his own Country’s future.”
Based on his pattern of behavior, I would say absolutely not.
Anybody that expects a people that have had more then 840 rockets rain down on them in the last four days, from their neighbor, and not retaliate is brain dead. No matter how much propaganda the world wide main stream media puts out, if you have more then two active brain cells you should be able understand that something is drastically wrong here. Hamas is a known terrorist organization and the liberals/progressives continue to not only shed tears for them but to financially support them. In my humble opinion, that makes them terrorist too.
It’s a cycle of violence. Blame no longer has nothing to do with it. Retaliation and retaliation and retaliation and retaliation and it never stops. There is no peace. Both sides want to retaliate. You can never have peace like that. The truth is that both sides are too far gone to ever make peace. There must be an international intervention, or welcome to another 60 years of the same.
Sorry, but this isn’t so. You are ignoring the past 12 years of history. Both Barak and Olmert made substantial offers to Arafat and Abbas, and they were rebuffed. It is simply not fair to lump the Israelis in with the Palestinians as being uninterested in peace.
Man, that’s gotta be some good *stuff* you been smokin’ lately.
Tell me somethin’… if your neighbor lets his dog take a dump in your yard, day after day for decades, what do you think will be most effective in stopping that? Kindly ask the neighbor to keep his dog off your property? Feed the dog when he comes onto your property? Or shoot the dog before he gets on your property? (And don’t tell me to put up a fence. The dog can dig under it, or the neighbor can throw his dog’s crap over the fence.)
Best solution… shoot the dog and annex the neighbor’s property and tell him if he shows back up you will shoot him. (If you just shoot the dog, he can always get another dog.) *Negotiations* take about 5 seconds, and you don’t have to worry about stepping in dog crap anymore.
And forget this talk of ‘cycle of violence.’ No cycle here, it has been going on since day one. It is a permanent feature of the neighborhood. Israel’s ‘neighbors’ have crossed the boarder in the dead of night and killed women, children, old, young, sick… they have blown up restaurants, wedding parties… they have blown up buses with anti-tank rockets… they have shot thousands of randomly aimed rockets into Israel… And, lets not forget the Olympics. The Israelis have put up with enough of their neighbor’s crap for decades. Time to end it. And not on the neighbor’s terms. Might as well start with Gaza.
http://www.harrymaclean.com/blog/category/vigilante-justice/
I’ll let the interested reader figure out the players in this drama. Hint: Hamas is McElroy.
You win the ignorant poster of the decade award!
Perhaps you missed the peace offering Israel made to both Arafat and the fatah guy. Israel was conceding on 95% of the pals requests. Both were rejected.
Please advise on when (EVER) the pals made a concession in peace talks. When they ever offered up their own peace plan? Never? That’s correct, because they have it in their charter to wipe Israel off the map.
Thanks for playing.
Have a nice day……
Yup..
Its that “lying is a Sacrament” thing again…
They dont want peace, they want Victory
And Victory is defined by slaughter/expusion of all Jews.
Negotiating with Muslims is like playing Chess with a monkey….
You get to Check-mate, they eat the queen
I’d say there’s only one requirement: Hamas has to stop killing their neighbors. Whether they stop on their own, or someone puts a stop to them, is really not material.
Hamas is delaying because Israel is running out of easy targets. They are hitting into areas with more civilians. Every Palestinian killed by Israel is seen by the sick hamasholes as a victory.
Israel should not delay the ground war any further. They should not let the shaningans going on in Cairo dictate the timing of the operation.
We should not be talking about “ending” the Hams war or overall conflict. Talking about that just plays into the hands of Hamas and the propogandists who want to show that this is “useless cycle of violence” The goal is attainable and simple: Stop the rockets; all of them.
Quite so. — To “stop the rockets” you need to stop the rocketeers, this time permanently!
Strategy. For the first time since the beginning of the Yom Kippur War, Israel’s national existence is at stake. The ground has shifted – dramatically.
Islamic Iran is ascendant. I think the IDF recognizes that the Allawites will win in Syria – with significant Iranian and Russian help. The Muslim Brotherhood’s successful consolidation of power in Egypt is not yet complete, but Iranian advisors and capital are moving quickly to ensure that the Muslim Brotherhood will rule indefinitely. Remember, the very first foreign policy acts of the Morsi government were to visit Iran and to violate the Camp David Accords by moving armored forces into the Sinai.
The IDF is preparing the ground for the imminent bigger war with Iran. I believe the strategic intent of the IDF is to indelibly tie Hamas and Gaza to the Muslim Brotherhood government in Egypt – to solidify that de facto alliance and clearly identify that external line of attack.
The big war is coming. Any small hope that Western appeasement of Iran will change ended with Obama’s election. In the near-term the IDF needs to prepare the ground. Degrading Hamas military capability and re-establishing Egyptian “control” over Gaza will clearly delineate their Southern front.
Hezbollah is actively engaged in Syria and does not want to tackle the IDF right now – but I bet the IDF would like Hezbollah to join in. A direct Israeli attack on Iran is an extremely difficult military proposition and any sort of reasonable strategic and political objectives must be very limited. When the time comes for that attack lining up Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood in the South and Hesbollah and Syria in the North is essential. Israel cannot attack Iran without also attacking Iranian clients on its borders.
The big war is coming. Israel’s survival is again at stake. Is this generation of Israelis ready? What say you Professor Rubin?
Or, better yet,
Lets nuke all the GD Muslims and then
Lets nuke them again
I like this plan! Let’s go with it!
I am saddened by the left. The are portraying israel as the guilty party despite 1000 missiles rained on civillians this year before the retaliation. The MSM is supporting the lying for the murdering pallywood muslims faking death scenes every day. The left is evil that they decry why Hamas rockets are not killing as many innocents as they should.
Sorry to disappoint you Dr Rubin : 1) Hamas is happy to play its part while its pockets are greased by Iran and hamas has no duty to protect its people quite the cintrary they are cannon-fodders, human shields 2) Egypt has been totally spoiled by the IMF Europe, USA and does fear any financial collapse, so they will not pressure Hamas , quite the contrary 3 )Iran can get away with sanctions, rial crumbling they don’ care they know Obama is a paper tiger.4)Obama has played the foolish ” arab spring ” and he will not budge from that posture , He does want to be looked upon as an idiot , so he will rather restrain Israel than try to pressure Egypt.4) Israel’s credibility is at stake and the ground operation is necessary to destroy the vast arms sotred in Gaza.The minute Israel enters gaza , Hizbollah attacks , unleashing some 50,000 missiles and if Israel does not achieve a total victory by crushing both Hamas and Hezbollah , Syria will also join the stage to show they are really ” brothers in arm ” with the extremists.5) Meantime Iran runs even faster those centrifuges and by end of december they have enough material to creat 4-6 nukes.6) Strategic disaster for Israel, the oil-rick sunnis kingdoms, Europe and the USA oil flow is threatened./7)Then what Obama will do ? take out of his hat a new magic grand bargain ” denuclearization of the mieast ” including of course israel and Iran. Israel will lose in the ensuing arm-twisting ” negociation ” its nukes, its control over Judea-Samaria , its strategic weapon , and the rest is accelrated decline.Obama smiles again.Iran wins without shooting one shot directly.Israel loses without daring to confront Iran head-on.As the french revolutionnary Georges Danton said ” Pour sauver la patrie, il faut de l’audace, encore de l’audace, toujours de l’audace “
I am not so sure about Hezbolla. There was a report today of Lebanese army defusing 2 rockets they found positioned on the border but does not sound like they belonged to Hezzies and someone must have tipped them off.
Anyway I hear that the Israelis tapped into a phone call between Nasralla and Ahmedinijad yesterday:
A: Hasan! My brother. Peace be upon you. It has been some time since we spoke.
N: And upon you peace as well. We must get something on the calender. We do have the Kabob festival coming up next month.
A: Yes well I am calling you about the terrible war of aggression inflicted on our brothers and sisters in Gaza.
N: Well they are not actually brothers Mahmoud, more like second cousins by marriage…
A: I have called upon all of our Arab bretheren to take up arms against the zionist oppressors.
N: Yes well they should. Bravo!
A: So you are preparing to smite their cities with the many thousands of powerful weapons we have given you then. When will the attack begin?
N: Oh, well you had said Arab brethren. Techinically we are Arabs I suppose but we prefer “levantines” so I did not know you were speaking about us. Besides I dont see you guys marching down to take on the Jews.
A: What did you mean? What did you think the missiles were for?
N: It might take some time Mahmoud. See the missiles we keep locked up under the mosque for safekeeping. Turns out the guy with the keys is in Syria on a mission to help our brother Assad and nobody can find the spare. He should be back in a few weeks though as soon as victory is achieved.
You guys just go right ahead though and we will join in later.
A: What….cant hear you..sshhhhffffttt…bad…connection……
N: And upon you peace
to understand the complexity and depressing reality of the conflict one should read all the postings of PNINA
Only hamas leaders want an Israeli land invasion. They will protect themselves by using human shields and then whine to the international community that Israel is hurting innocent civilians. These inbred sociopaths are also hoping to murder or kidnap more Jewish victims this way. Instead, the Israeli military may simply want to keep targeting the various leadership tiers of hamas and islamic jihad and force what remains of them to spend the next several years rebuilding their noxious organizations.
As long as one Arab is standing, the war will go on. Go back and read the Old Testament and make notes on how this problem has been handled in the past, and go and do thou likewise. Only this time don’t relax and join the enemy.
I laud the Barry Rubin two-step, far superior to The Aztec two-step whose core product is the Obama Foeign policy with added dithering.
And how about Hamas just stops lobbing rockets? Period. Even though they can’t hit a bull in the a*s with a snow-shovel,it makes for a narrow range of topics over tea. The main statement that they make with this is that they are lousy shots.
And how about we let President Mori know that his foreign aid gets reduced by a factor directly related to the number of rockets sent, from anywhere, into Israel? Say, $1 miilion per rocket splash?
” First, Israel had to show Hamas….. ” .
” Second, Israel had to show Hamas….. ”
” Third, Israel had to remove from Hamas….”
Pure intellectual bullshit.
Hamas is trying to murder my wife, children and grandchildren. They only way we will ever be safe is when every Hamas member and supporter is dead. You don’t negotiate with cancer, you cut it out.
We have a so-called President who’s doing his very best to dismantle the U.S. Constitution and anything that’s not islamic. The Egypt we had before this thing called the muslim brotherhood was by far a better situation in the middle east than what we have today. This American President helped our enemies get into power. I stand by my belief that he is really a muslim hiding behind the Christian name. I am deeply saddened that there are so many dumbed down Americans that got him reelected. They see socialism as a good thing. I can only shake my head in disbelief. I say Israel should just level Gaza because it’s only a matter of time before hamas will do it all over again. The head of the snake has got to be removed.
Your suggestions would work if Israel was fighting Hamas. But Hamas is just a weapon, tool the Jew-hatters of whole world use against Israel. The moment Hamas stop fighting Israel, it will become irrelevant and will be no more: nobody will feed them, and they can not support themselves. This is true not just about Hamas, but about Palestinians in general. So, this conflict is existential for both sides. If Israel stop fighting, it will be destroyed. If Palestinians stop fighting, world will loose any interest in them, and they will disappear back in thin air. Hamas is making its living just by persevering in their fight against Israel. You can not convince them to stop exist, the same way you can not convince Israel to fold everything an leave.
First, Israel cannot bargain with the opposition because the opposition does not bargain in good faith.
Second, like the situation in Vietnam in the 1960s, the opposition has no industrial capability to speak of; their arms are, reportedly, being supplied by Iran. Unless Israel can prevent Iran from arming the opposition the conflict will drag on without resolution. Just like Vietnam.
And another thing, the strife in Gaza is a symptom, not the source, of the contretemps between Muslims and Jews. As far as I can tell, it is not so much a problem of one-on-one difficulties between a Muslim and a Jew, as it is a problem of an enormous amount of weaponry finding its way into Gaza, funded by old men sitting in air conditioned comfort in adjecent countries.
Perhaps it is finally time to turn our attention and our resources to the source.
You betcha Denise ! But you failed to mention some of the worst offenders
1. The horrific Salk and Sabin Polio Vaccines.
2. Einstein and his cabal of smartypants.
3. Selman Waksman and those pesky antibiotics he discovered
4. Julius Mayer and those stupid laws of thermodynamics
5. Gabrial Lipmann who ruined everything for us folks who like just black and white
6. Sigmund Freud..Screwed all those lobotomizers out of a job.
7. Michaelson.. Who needed to know about the speed of light anyway..
8. Levi Stauss… Jeans.. Who needs em anyway.. Another stupid Jew Idea
9. Judah Benjamin Vice President of the Confederacy… Hmmmn Maybe not such a bad thing.. Huh Denise ? Your kind of guy.
10. Sammy Davis Jr… The worst kind of Jew.
So lets see.. Jews are maybe ..what, 13 million worldwide out of 7 billion of us normal folks ? That’s what ( I’m not Jewish and therefore not so hot with the numbers ) but its like 1 tenth of 1 tenth eensey weensy something of the worlds population. And they have the GALL to take 28% of all the Nobel prizes for medicine in the 20th century ? 19% for Chemistry ? 26% for physics ? 13% in literature ? If this is proof of what you say, they they OWE US BIG TIME don’t know what is.. Thanks Denise and keep on talking the good talk.
“Julius Mayer and those stupid laws of thermodynamics”
Agreed. Damn those pesky Jewish laws of thermodynamics. Who needs them?
There will be war as long as Israel allows it. Once Israel has decided not to offer its citizens as human sacrifices to the unappeasable god of world opinion, it will choose the alternative selected by the Allies in World War 2: defeating the enemy; victory in the form of unconditional surrender by the enemy. Anything less will prolong the bloodshed.
‘So the next best-thing is a ceasefire that will last several years at least.’
The best thing is a shamed and defeated Hamas as a message to the Islamic world that Israel will still fight and soundly defeat those who attack them.
How sad that you have such low expectations of another useless ceasefire that will be broken again in a matter of days and how foolish to trust MB Egypt for anything.
Israel’s political leadership seem to be well trained by years of restraint and pressure from dubious allies who always come to the rescue of Israel’s enemies to never finish the job ?
no… you need to exterminate them .. wtf wake up… i ve been watching this shit for 50 yrs ,same thing ,every day ,day in day out… they say we are going to wipe israel off the face off the earth, we and they say … lets talk … while they kill innocents … you guys are so pc correct it nauseates me, the the damn job that needs to be done.
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as
a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal mamiac”.
George Orwell.
Lest we ever forget Hitler and the Nazis or the Muslim terrorists
of 9/11 at the Twin Towers.
Thank you Mr. Rubin! I have long been frustrated by some of your posts in which you give a diagnosis, but no cure. I don’t necessarily agree with all of your solutions but appreciate your making them.
Hmmm, so, what you’re REALLY saying is, there is no chance for peace in the Middle East?
The war of attrition hurts both sides, expending money and manpower, and turning public opinion hard and set in its ways.
There is only one solution.
It is always the same solution.
Truth.
The truth must be admitted to by all, and this means that the Muslim Brotherhood must stop its attacks and withdraw. Hamas must release its people to be absorbed into whatever countries will take them, and stop the attacks on Israel.
Will this happen?
Not as long as the basic tenet of Islam is Death to Israel.
No group, no religion, no gang, no country, no army of thugs or thugocracy, NO ONE should be allowed to have such a mantra.
If you are unable to live with Israel on the map, the take yourself out, and that will solve the problem. There is not one single decent thing about Islam or Muslims that we can’t do without.
Not one.
Just curious…does anyone else realize all these problems started when the bankers took over around 1947? Breton Woods? It’s like they got started at the end of World War II and set up all these conflicts so we’d have to borrow money from them.
Naaahhh.
I’m just a nutter.
Doc, I think you have to go back a bit further than that. Try Barry’s book, mentioned above. Or try this:
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.ca/p/eozs-psychological-history-of.html
for better context.
Cease fires, peace accords, useless sumits, blah blah blah. I have watched and read about this crap my entire life. These friggin people will never accept peace. Just get it the hell over with already and let the rebuilding begin. I have a lot more faith in the Israeli ability to deal fairly and peacefully than I think the Arabs, Egyptions, MB, Iranians, etc. etc. etc. ever have a chance of developing a level of cognition towards. When your cheif goal in life is not only to kill, slaughter, and maim but to teach your children the same, it’s time to weed out the gene pool, period.
“So the Egypt government supposedly wants to focus on domestic affairs and doesn’t want to be dragged into war with Israel. It is being given huge amounts of goodies without any apparent conditions. This includes a staggering $6.4 billion in loans from the European Union; $4.5 billion from the International Monetary Fund; and $450 million from the United States, plus another $1 billion plus in U.S. military aid.”
Will someone – anyone! – kindly tell me why Egypt should be given a billion dollars in military aid by the United States (or any other Western nation for that matter)? How could such aid possibly be in our interests?
It seems to me that Egypt has no enemies that are trying to hurt them and the only country that Egypt might attack is Israel, our supposed ally. (I say supposedly because Obama’s treatment of Israel in his first term did not seem very friendly.) Wouldn’t it make a great deal of sense to give Egypt ONLY non-military aid until such time as they show that they are likely to be our friends and NOT mess with allies like Israel?
Or is that billion dollars going only to buy some Egyptian generals and hope to get them on our side? I can’t categorically dismiss that as hopeless but given the nature of the Obama administration, it’s hard to believe that Obama would ever want the Egyptian generals to oppose the current Muslim Brotherhood leadership of Egypt.
Otherwise, military aid to Egypt would appear only to make it easier for them to go to war with Israel.
“Will someone – anyone! – kindly tell me why Egypt should be given a billion dollars in military aid by the United States”
Carter. Ol’ peanut used it to close the deal on the Egypt/Israel peace treaty.
Israel gets about 2 Billion. All of it is in the form of military credits.
Carter bought a Nobel Peace prize with tax dollars. Plus corporate welfare for the MIC.
AC/DC wrote a song about it; “Dirty deeds done dirt cheap”.
Check THIS out!
http://dajjal.posterous.com/israel-should-make-this-battle-the-last
How quickly Israel forgets that Hamas is their creation, set up so that Israel could try to undermine the PLO.
Classic example of unintended consequences.
Hamas is only the ‘creation’ of itself. Give them at least credit for that. There were elements in Israel intel when they started out who made contact thinking that a religious based organization might cut through the shortcomings of the mess created by Arafat. That did not prove true. They are a formidable tenacious enemy for Israel.
Hamas can walk away with their victory if that is what they want to call it. Someday they will love their children more than they hate the Jews.
Israel wants only end to rocket attacks on its people. It is responsibly of government to provide that basic protection. The door to negotiation is always open.
“You say (emphasis mine), “Canada is strong in its support, at least for now, under Harper.” You can see for yourself how fragile it is. Harper is in his second term, it’ll only be a couple of years before he’s gone. If the left will be elected next Canada will have the same stand as the Euros. ”
Pnina, I think you may be labouring under some misconceptions. Canada does not have term limits for Prime Ministers. Prime Minister Harper is actually in his third term – he led two minority governments before finally winning a majority in summer 2011 – and there’s no legal reason he can’t be re-elected until he dies of old age. We had one prime minister, Mackenzie King, who was Prime Minister for the better part of 25 years, although he died before I was born. Pierre Trudeau was Prime Minister for roughly 16 years and led 4 different governments and was still eligible for office when he retired.
Also, Canada is not likely to have its next election before 2015. We’ve recently gone to a system of scheduled elections so Harper won’t be forced to face the electorate until then unless he loses a Vote of Confidence in Parliament, which is very unlikely given the absolute majority of his party in parliament.
Having said all that, your basic point is still right. Canada’s stance is little more than moral support while the US’s support is vital to Israel’s existence. I don’t envy you having to deal with the likes of Obama in the White House while you’re in the midst of yet another crisis that has the potential to end your very existence….
The solution to this problem is quite simple, surround Gaza on all sides and starve them out. Also, establish a 300 yd. perimeter around Gaza and destroy all buildings so there is no place to smuggle in weapons underground. Tell the inhabitants of Gaza the perimeter will be lifted when all members of Hamas have been turned over to Israel or they have all starved to death, their choice. You cannot fight a determined enemy with half measures. Turn the Israelis loose with their
The reality of this conflict is that it will never end unless Israel goes in and finishes off Hamas once and for all.
They had the chance last time during Operation Cast Lead but did not finish the job, which is why the enemy has come back even stronger then before.
Forget about world opinion. Once the deed is done there will be a period when the world throws a hissy fit against the Jews who chose to act like a normal country.
The hissy fit will eventually subside and then all of the so-called progressives will move on to some other interest ie saving the whales, or Paris Hilton’s latest boyfriend.
As for the Arabs, they will grumble in their tents and shake their fists but in the end they will understand that Allah truly loves the Children of Israel.
However if Israel does not do the job right this time, God will punish them for their stupidity and give victory to the barbaric Muslims just as God is punishing Western Europe for their own stupidity in how they are dealing with their own muslim problem.
Israel for Gods sake do the right thing this time!!
AS I remember Mr. Rubin Hamas took power because Bush and the neocons pressured Israel into holding “free elections” in Gaza. When Obama came into office Hamas was already in control of Gaza.
Whatever Obama does you will twist it to suit your narrative. It was Obama who helped Israel build the missile defense shield.
I expect that Obama will stand behind Israel if they choose to invade Gaza to rid it of the religious gangsters Hamas.
Let Egypt assume total and complete control of Gaza as one of it’s states. Simple as that. If they don’t want to do it, blow their barriers down to gaza down.
Israel’s demand should be simple: the unconditional surrender of Hamas, just as we demanded of Japan in WWII.
Here’s how you make peace in the Middle East: swap Palestine for Constantinople.
Constantinople–now Istanbul in Turkey–was taken from Christians 500 years ago, and its high time they give it back! The Muslims currently rule over the home and most sacred place of Orthodox Christianity, turning its cathedrals into mosques and fouling the land with its polluted religion.
Well, Christianity wants it back! No, DEMANDS it back! They give us Constantinople and all its historic current-day Turkish lands west of the Bosporus Straight, we give all the land as a new home for the Jews. The Turks get Palestine, with UN oversight of the holy areas.
Its quite an equitable swap, really. One holy land for another. Both have Mediterranean coastline, old, historic neighborhoods. Heck! History up the Kazoo! They are roughly the same land mass, but Constantinople would be a safe, new homeland. Even symbolically it would designate a land between the two other major wester religions, not sticking out where it is now. The new Jewish homeland would have a solid ally to its west forever, and raging waters, fire and brimstone to the east.
(My suggestion to all Jews: burn ALL bridges after crossing the straight.)
BTW: If you follow my last suggestion, you’ll be doing both the Jews AND the Christians a favor.
In the last few days many good souls from the EU ask Israel to stop the offensive against Hamas. Among them are the foreign ministers of France, Germany, US, UK and others. Suddenly they worry about civilians casualties of both sides. Wow!
They really don’t a damn for it. They care about some demonstration of their Muslims at home. Where have they been in the last ten years where thousands of rockets fall on Israel killing and wounded many Israelis?
The British that suffered from the Blitz in WW2 attacked Dresden killing 50000 people.
It is hypocrisy at its best.
“Israel had to show Hamas that the cost is unsustainable and that it needs to keep the peace or suffer massive losses to its governmental, economic, and military infrastructure.”
24/7 & 365 days a year too. The Pali’s are bugs.
‘What are you talking about, we did leave Gaza, and they are still attacking us.’
Read my comment again ,he stated that all the ‘Brit’s’ had to do to stop terrorism was to leave Northern Ireland .
This show’s a complete lack of knowledge of the issue’s.
The Easter Uprising was in 1917 and this was justified to rid British rule.
During the centuries the majority in the North were protestants .Part of the Treaty agreed and signed by the now ruling Irish in the south was that the 6 counties in the North remains under British control.
Referendum after referendum have shown that the majority want to remain British.
However the British in the North are no way the like British on the mainland who
didn’t care.So it’s not about a United Ireland it’s the method used to achieve this.
You are claiming that blowing up children should be the way to stop ‘colonization’.
This might sound familiar ,the British would /did negotiate only when the violence stopped and it was through a political process .In the Good Friday Agreement the South has given up the claim to the North and change can only happen with consent .
The peace process would of been quicker if it wasn’t for the U.S political and financial backing of the U.S.
The IRA flew the PLO flag and they trained together in Libya.The IRA invented the road side bomb.
‘ In both cases, you Brits bear some culpability.’
Are you waiting for me to defend the British Empire,what century are you in over there.Are you really holding us all now culpable now?
‘Simply put – the Brits never forgave us for taking their Mandate away. They wanted to rule “Palestine” forever.’
Let me reassure you nobody gives a toss about that,older generation’S say after ww2 everybody had had enough of losing loved ones in countries around the world,they had paid a huge price for Empire.
The negative mentioned is the bombing of the King David Hotel,but they and generations after were pleased to wash their hands of this.
The above comment was reply to,
mzk1 November 20, 2012 – 10:05 am
Sited early in the discuusion.
Forget the ground offensive. It’s not necessary. Simply start targeting all military, manufacturing, oil, water, and food centers in that order. First destroy their immediate ability to fight. Then destroy their ability to manufacture the means to fight. Then destroy their ability to live long enough to fight. When people are starving in the streets, they’ll demand peace. Or they won’t. Either way, it doesn’t matter. Rockets will no longer be falling on Israel by that point. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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I agree that there are 2 steps that need to be taken for the war to be over. But they are not the ones listed. step 1: Hamas and Palestine have to recognize Israel’s right to exist. 2. Israel has to remove it’s illegal settlers who keep insisted on building homes in a country that is not theirs. If both of those things could be enforced, the violence could stand a chance of ending.