Here’s How — As With This Israel-Hamas War — Western Elites Are Baffled by the Middle East
- The “Palestinian militant groups” want to drag Israel into an all-out war. Therefore, she reasons, Israel is foolish to engage in such a war. But the other side wanting a war that Israel prefers to avoid has been a common feature of Israeli history, as in 1948, 1967, and 2006. The Palestinian leadership and Arab states misjudge the balance of forces (that is, they don’t know they will lose) or feel such a losing war is worthwhile to mobilize popular support and to prove the individual group involved (in this case Hamas) is the best and most courageous of Fedayeen.
- The other side consists of “militant groups.” The problem with avoiding the word “terrorist” is not that it sanitizes those attacking Israel but that it downgrades their ideology and intentions. Hamas openly declares it will destroy Israel and commit genocide against Jews. Terrorism is a tactic. What lies behind it is a desire to murder all the civilians on the enemy side, whether or not any specific attack succeeds in killing a few of them.
If you don’t understand the extremism of the enemy, you don’t understand the enemy. And if you don’t understand the enemy, you have no idea of what to do in response. This is precisely the problem of the Western policy toward the Middle East and revolutionary Islamism.
For example, there is a readiness to believe that the assassination of a U.S. ambassador in Benghazi (and on September 11 to boot!) is the result of anger over a video rather than a concerted campaign to fundamentally transform Libya and the Middle East.
But back to Zacharia.
- The fault is with Israel. It doesn’t have a proper diplomatic policy, you see, because there’s no willingness to talk to Hamas. Does Hamas have character of its own? Might it have an ideology and goals of its own? Might Hamas be to Israel what al-Qaiea is to the United States?
If one actually knew anything about Hamas — and Israelis have three decades of experience in studying, fighting, and dealing with it — the idea of a negotiated solution would be ridiculous. Incidentally, Israel has negotiated truces with Hamas. Under normal conditions, Hamas just violates them and up to a point Israel looks the other way or responds in a small way. Periodically, Hamas decides on a big offensive and that leads to war.
Yet Zacharia blames Israel for not being good enough to negotiate a deal with a group whose televised children’s shows call for the physical extinction of Israel, the mass murder of its inhabitants, and future careers for kiddies as suicide bombers.
- Hamas is fighting even more radical groups in the Gaza Strip and therefore it must be moderate or at least potentially so.
That isn’t really true. Of course, Hamas cracks down on groups that attack its own rule or prove to be inconvenient. But far more often it cooperates with Islamic Jihad and even al-Qaeda affiliated groups. These attack Israel with Hamas’s cooperation and forbearance and then Hamas can claim innocence, thus waging war and claiming it isn’t doing anything at all. This is a transparent ploy but one that, as with Zacharia, many influential people in the West buy hook, line, and sinker.
- Israel can “put pressure” on Abbas and the Palestinian Authority, which rules the West Bank, and end the attacks from the Gaza Strip permanently. Yet anybody — much less a journalist who spent years dealing with the Middle East — should know that Abbas has zero influence in the Gaza Strip and any deal he makes (and he doesn’t intend to make one) will have no effect on Hamas or the Gaza Strip.
Moreover, Israel cannot put too much pressure on Abbas because the Obama administration, which puts on no pressure of its own, won’t allow it to do so. In addition, Israel worries more about Abbas being overthrown by Hamas than about his combating the group. Let’s remember that Abbas himself has repeatedly made deals with Hamas that the “militant group” has violated.
In other words, what Zacharia writes — and this is common throughout Western academic, media, and governmental circles — is completely absurd. The solution not being taken up is to overthrow Hamas just like the Taliban was overthrown in Afghanistan, though even that didn’t solve the problems in the latter country.
But there is zero support in the West for bringing down Hamas. President Barack Obama helped install a pro-Hamas regime in Egypt. And the man who never pressured Abbas pressured Israel to reduce sanctions on the Gaza Strip, thus helping Hamas remain in power so it can continue firing rockets at Israel.
I do not expect the mass media to improve nor do I have any hope of educating the journalists who write this kind of thing. They are not going to change in the near or even medium-term future. Hence, they will be ignored instead.
Equally, the governments who follow this kind of line will have no effect — at least no positive effect — on regional problems. The new feature of the last few years is that the U.S. government has contributed to making things much worse.
And that’s why there will be no “permanent end” to this rocket war madness or all of the other varieties of madness that are getting worse in the region.
Also read: Exposing Hamas’ Cannibalistic Cognitive War Strategy






Barry, brilliant explanation (as usual) and spot on. Thanks for continuing to be such a bright light in the darkness.
BTW – hope things continue to improve on your health. We’re all praying for you.
Keep an eye on Chicago
Rezko Update: Mystery man’s true identity revealed
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/11/18/rezko-update-mystery-mans-true-identity-revealed/
Whistleblower, and it is not as if Chicago pols, elitists too, aren’t ignorant of the facts at hand (dumb as posts), even as they strut their stuff before fawning Obamabots.
The fact of the matter is, what westerners know about Islam/the Middle East, can barely fill a thimble. And their harping on ‘moderate’ Islam is about as far off the mark as one can get.
IF they were being graded in real pressure cooker academic programs – think: MIT or Caltech – they would fail by an inordinate magnitude.
So, for all those still willing to learn their lessons, particularly the Obamabot trolls – since most PJM readers are pretty well schooled – here’s some primary tools – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/08/21/repeat-until-the-cows-come-home-there-is-no-moderate-islam-period-addendum-to-what-the-west-in-general-and-its-leaders-in-particular-know-about-islam-can-fill-less-than-a-thimble-m/
It’s all free of charge…and a labor of (western) love!
Adina
I could not agree more, and Chicago is an important front in this battle as the Muslim Brotherhood has set-up shop in IL and the crooked pols have welcomed them with open arms. Keep the faith Adina you are not alone.
I think the issue isn’t that she is a Westerner. It is a fact in Israel – I can show you a Knesset speech praising the idea – that the far left largely controls the media, the arts, the academia, and the courts. These members of the Nomanklatura live in their own little bubble – one study found the far left the most isolated group in Israel, more so than even us Chareidim.
This is the circle she moved around in. What is really ironic is that she is a Shephardi, and the group issomething of an Ashkenazi mafia (only 5% of Israeli university professors are Sephardi, for example).
mzk1…rock on…you are decidedly on target!!
http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/22/when-leftist-mega-rich-peace-obsessed-instigators-get-involved-what-can-go-wrong-everything-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-111/
I WAS REALLY HOPING THIS TIME ISREAL WOULD SHOW THE WORLD HOW TO WIN A CONFLICT. C-lock-sorry! They have the moral grounds, and everyone knows it. Send in the ground troops, push all the fighting aged men into the desert and air drop them food and water for a couple of months. Start from the north-and search every single home-take away every single weapon. Take the Polices’ weapons too. Then leave-or re-occupy, whichever is the best for isreali security.
Hamas must be the fault for the lack of peace.
Since the West Bank is now a full-fledged Palestinian state with Israel’s backing. Israel has given up its West Bank Settlements and handed them over to Palestine. After all, the violence in the West Bank has abated and a vibrant Palestinian economy is ready to emerge.
But no. The settlements continue. The foot-dragging continues. Colonization will continue. But its all Hamas’ fault- but the world just doesn’t get it.
There could have been an agreement in 2001 or 2008 had the Arabs relinquished their demand to settle millions of Arabs inside Israel thereby turning it into a binational state and within one or two generations into another Muslim state where Jews at best would be a severly persecuted minority. Of course, if you settle millions of them inside Israel it will soon descend into full fledged civil war where either the Jews will be exterminated or the Arabs expelled – there is no third alternative for this scenario. There could have been negotiations now if the Arabs hadn’t demanded Israel give in to various impossible demands as precondoition to negotiations. The funny thing is the Arabs don’t even hide their intenetions, they don’t even bother to be careful since they know you, i.e. the West, wouldn’t listen to what they say in Arabic since you’re desperate to insulate your cherished dogmas from any evidence that might cast any doubt on them. If you watch their TV, read their papers, look at what they teach their children in their educational system, what they preach in mosques, and listen to what their politicians say IN ARABIC rather than your language it ranges between destroying Israel and committing genocide against the Jews as a whole. And it is not a new phenomenon either – it is and has been the cause of war against Israel since the 1929 massacres in Hebron (then majority Jewish). They never meant peace and that is why there is none. The so-called “peace process” was just part of Yasser Arafat’s Phased Plan (originaly from 1974) – phase 1 is to take whatever territory they can from Israel, phase 2 is to use that territory to launch a war against Israel, and the final phase is to drag all the Arab states into this war. Phase 2 was executed in 2001, but the final phase failed since the Arab states didn’t join the war, and that is how we got where we are, which is neither here nor there.
They manipulate you and use you as a weapon against Israel, but the West is too blinded by its dogmatic assumptions, like the ones you display here, and by its wishful thinking to have a clear sight of any issue. You will only learn the hard way, through your own painful experience, what it is exactly that we, Israelis, are dealing with because your cherished naive dogmas are more important to you than the future of your own children, let alone ours. Eventually you will have no choice but to face reality, but much that could have been prevented by facing reality early would come to pass and millions of lives on all sides would be affected.
Actually – well, not a “binational” state, but a single state – is the most likely long-term result if the Arabs refuse to negotiate a two-state solution and indeed, Israelis, increasingly, have begun calling for Israel to put Judea and Samaria under Israeli law and eventually annex both into a “reconstituted” Israel on all the land comprising the original Kingdom of Israel.
This is an idea that many Palestinians have advocated, but Israelis had always dismissed on the belief that the supposedly larger Palestinian population and birthrate would quickly make Jews a minority and spell the end of Israel. But in recent years, it has become increasingly evident that, in fact, Israel has the higher birthrate. Where Jews used to be the majority in Israel, they are the majority in all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan. By the year 2031, Jews will be 80% of the population. Given that Israel manages quite well today with a 75% Jewish majority, there will be no reason for her not to expand Israel all the way to the Jordan.
The Palestinians clearly think that time is on their side; if they do not come to terms with the Israelis, they will learn, soon enough, that it is not.
Here’s Hamas charter for you. Note that they use both Islamic texts (most notably the quote in article 7 calling for fighting and killing the Jews as a prerequisite for the coming of the Day of Judgement – this is part of the Islamic “messianic” vision) and European antisemitic literature (The Protocols of the Eldres of Zion is cited as if it was an authentic historic document) as justifications for their war whose goal, as stated in the charter, is an Islamic state also instead of Israel and not just in the dispute territories. Note also that the Islamic sharia law, cited in the charter, states that any territory conquered by Muslims by force belongs to future generations of Muslims till Judgement Day (end of time), which is why there can never be any permanent peace agreement with Hamas or any entity abiding by sharia law. Hamas ia an Islamist organization, a wing of the Muslim Brotherhood, which means their raison d’etre is the implementation of sharia law, and in Hamas case its primary goal is the destruction of Israel – these are the goals it was founded for. Making peace with Israel is against their very ideological core, and unlike Fatah, Hamas even stated in English, and not just in Arabic, that they will not accept Israel’s existence, yet Westerners choose not to listen even when told in their own language.
Poppycock! Israel evacuated Gaza in August 2005 and turned over control of the territory to the Palestinian Authority in September. Fatah and Hamas shared control of Gaza until June 2007 when Hamas seized control of Gaza, which it maintains to this day. There are no Israeli settlements, enclaves, or other administered territory in Gaza. Also, the Palestinian Authority and Fatah have no control/influence in Gaza either.
Since when is it colonization when you are building on your own land? It’s like telling Arizona they are colonizing because they insist on building on their own state lands when there’s a bunch of illegals squatting there.
Those freaking little arabs are leftovers from when Jordan invaded back in 48. The treaty with Jordan was signed back in 67 – so why are the freaky little a-rabs still there?
But this is Israel’s fault…….
Have you noticed that Gaza is *not* occupied, you moron?
Wow. You live in a fascinating universe. What color is your unicorn?
Ruin is correct. People just quit paying attention to (and paying for) Zacaria’s type of nonsense. Slate has been losing money for quite a while now. If we hit a bumpy patch in the economy, it just might do a Newsweek.
According to WSJ (8/26/11),
“This week, Slate … laid off a number of key employees, including its media critic, Jack Shafer, arguably the site’s best-known voice. The layoffs came just weeks after Slate’s parent company, Washington Post Co., reported that ad revenue at its online publishing operations, which include the Washington Post’s website and Slate, fell 13% in the second quarter.”
This must be a result of Slate’s sudden lurch leftward. I’ve noticed myself skimming the headlines but rarely reading deeper. Why would they want to emulate Huffington Post so suddenly?
Could it be that it’s owned by the WaPo? Can’t say “contrarian” stuff to Mommie forever … You’ll get yerself laid off …
Spot on assessment. One idea is to always use scare quotes with “militants”, another is to stop using the word militants and, indeed, use the word terrorists with all the references to Islamic groups that are intolerant.
Janine Zacharia was friends with my ex-wife, and got her start with The Jerusalem Report during that “other publications from Jerusalem” period Barry mentions. My ex-wife was interning at the same magazine during 1996 when she befriended Zacharia, who had already been on-staff for at least a year or so.
We’re talking here about the magazine founded and run (during its initial heyday) by Hirsh Goodman, whose political outlook demonstrably accords with Ehud Barak’s. And we’re talking here about the Hirsh Goodman whose wife Isabel Kirshner is an Israel correspondent for The New York Times, with an article-trail sufficient to provide ample sense of how her own outlook accord’s with that of The Grey Lady.
Moreover, Zacharia’s stint with Reuters also dovetailed with the start of my ex-wife’s still-ongoing tenure with the same organization (albeit since 1996 out of the Reuters Canada operations in Toronto), and the two kept in touch throughout that late 1990s period. Whether in Toronto or Jerusalem, per the descriptions my ex-wife provided me at the time, the Reuters reporting team was uniformly, “fashionably,” and unrepentantly a “blame-Israel-first” milieu.
Finally, a few years subsequent to my divorce, I had a very brief dating relationship with an American Jewish woman who at the time was a senior Jerusalem correspondent with the Christian Science Monitor and a friend in the same circles with Zacharia. This woman was quite vehement in her characterization of any Jewish presence over the 1949 armistice line (the so-called “Green Line”) as a “provocation” to the Arab population, and she gave me what-for when I mentioned in her presence to some mealtime acquaintances that I wish I’d had the opportunity to learn at the Har Etzion Yeshiva in Gush Etzion/Judean Hills region just south of Jerusalem.
All of this is not to say that Zacharia necessarily has drifted in as radical a direction as many of those surrounding her to date. (And I use the verb “drift” advisedly — the impression I got of her from those earlier days was of a butterfly with a tape-recorder and steno-pad.) But at a minimum she certainly went along in order to get along in the professional circles where she found herself. Accordingly, credentialism has helped pay her bills even as it has addled her judgment and tainted her output.
Hello D. Alexander,
I agree with your sentiment regarding Barry Rubin’s analysis of the general media’s reporting and foolish understanding regarding Israel and the Middle East. Rubin does another fine dissection and J. Zacharia’s suggested solution is thus eviscerated.
However I would caution you to be not so personally detailed in your comments. Remember that this is a public forum. My best regards to you and I hope you are doing well.
Jeremy K.
Dr. Jeremy, hope this finds you healthy and thriving. Thanks for the kind wishes and good intentions.
Simply indicating the self-reinforcing values characteristic of the milieux inhabited by MSM journalists, notwithstanding their being on the ground in Israel and face-to-face with a reality one would presume (erroneously) that they could acknowledge, delve into, and report on. And attempting to underline the validity/credibility of what I’m indicating via a “personal” account.
Indeed, no truly “personal” details on offer here, merely first-hand confirming observations of what’s behind a particular “type” analyzed by Prof. Rubin. Of course, since you and I know one another, happy to discuss more genuinely “personal” stories and updates on a different channel at your leisure.
Thanks again and be well.
Yes, I met Zacharia informally about 8-9 years ago and though not an Israeli-basher she certainly wasn’t an advocate for a strong Israel and was hostile to any sort of military response to Arab aggression. So her views have changed very much.
A Jew working for the CSM is barely one step above the sonderkommando.
I’m a little confused here. Wasn’t the Jerusalem Report a right-wing publication when it was founded (although anti-Chareidi to the point of anti-semitism), around when the Jerusalem post was a Labor party mouthpiece? Wasn’t Sharansky involved, and didn’t “Dry Bones” move to there for awhile? Am I mixing it up with another publication?
Once more Barry you nailed an issue of major relevance and in fact, of epidemic proportions. My humble guess is that this is generational; these are the children who were brought up by the eighties’ and nineties’ academia that was not in pursuit of honest incisive thinking but of “packaged” ISHOOS and “radical” algorithms for their “solutions” … unfortunately, all we can do is just expose them and wait till they swing down with the see-saw …
I grew up in that system as well – and they aren’t really “baffled”, it’s a rhetorical trick. You give the impression you are a naive “I don’t understand why we all can’t get along” type read at first, then go on to blame one side (soon to be Israel). The tactic is to seem like you are impartial and really only want what’s best for all before sneaking in your true motive.
I don’t think removing Hamas will improve the situation because who would take their place? While it’s true that Hamas took over by force, it’s also true that before that they won a majority in parliament. People tend to excuse it as a vote against the corruption of Fatah, but the fact is Hamas was not the only opposition party. If the Arab public were more liberal minded they would have voted for a more liberal party than Fatah (nevermind Hamas), but liberal parties got a miniscule percentage of the vote, which means the majority of the people have a radical outlook. This is the real root cause of all the problems in the Middle East, not just the Arab-Israeli conflict.
People prefer to deny this simple, yet now (post-”Arab Spring”) obvious, truth because it means there is no readily available solution in the foreseeable future. Blaming Israel is simply the path of least resistance since Israel can be pressured and threatened, and it’s a small country people can hope will be exterminated all together thereby supposedly solving all their problems, while recognizing the massive rise of Islamism means recognizing the West is facing a really huge problem involving many states, huge populations and a large part of the world’s natural resources, a problem that can’t be solved in the near future. So people prefer to maintain the illusion for as long as possible, even at a far higher cost than could have been possible with early containment. That is a pattern we see repeatedly at least in the 20th century – people choose denial for as long as possible until the problem grows to an extent it can’t be denied any longer and had to be faced, costing great many lives that could have been saved by early accurate diagnosis. We’ve seen that in the reaction to the Bolsheviks, the Nazis, the Islamic revolution in Iran, and now the “Arab Spring” (for which the rise of Hamas to power was the precedent). We also see that same pattern in individual human behavior where people often prefer to ignore a sickness, a debt or any other problem until it grows too large to be ignored anymore, and by then also too large to be relatively easily solved. I guess it’s part of human nature.
What great power when someone has a strong idea that brings the person to a sick bed. This is what the christian saints have done for 2000 years with their strong idea. This is what the Queen of Sheba has just done taking on the thrones of hell now holding this great power in her hands because she know who to bring this great power to and wants to get it off her hands as soon as possible and I promise her next week not this week
Only Obama has the power to use nukes against Iran. Little Israel has the power to throw everyone in a sick bed to the great delight of Lucifer who see his world of great volcano lava flowing from every orfice
What to do?
My vision of chaste Adam and Eve future sanctuaries on the Gaza 25 mile beach bring healing from this sick bed . Strong idea maybe the problem and most strong ideas should be thrown in the Volcano lava because they are not held by the saints of Jesus who have taken on the sick bed with great results unlike the stiff neck
Let us get honest here . The dragon is not interested in human healing , the leash must be made shorter and until the Queen of Sheba bring this great power to the feet of the ONLY worthy one be careful with your strong ideas
It is rather ironic the fact that you can find Jews, Israelis, etc … theorising, criticising their own, about the whole thing from start to NOW, and I am yet to find one arab who is willing or able to say one contrary thing against how HAMAS and the arabs in general are handling this whole ISHOO … wake up people, they want nothing less than “extermination” and they think that they can wait …!
They don’t want to be killed by their rulers.
Never any culpability directed at Hamas…It’s all Israel’s fault. I missed the part where Hamas pushed for peace.
Therefore every Israeli child killed by a rocket is a win for … Israel! If only Iran would hurry up and acquire nukes to shoot at Tel Aviv then Israel could achieve absolute victory and security!
She’s brilliant. I hope Stanford realizes what a catch they have and make her a full professor. Maybe she could take over at the UN once Rice becomes SoS?
Interesting what you say. Reading Zacharia’s article, my immediate impression was: she is writing like someone who is begging for a job in the present administration. (saying everything she thinks they might be pleased to hear)
There is something wrong with this whole war. If our people die it makes us look good, if their people die it makes us look bad. It reminds me of the days of the Blood Libels.
The only people who disagree with this idea are the parents and friends of the soldiers who have just been called away from their jobs to try to stop Hamas. They don’t want their children to die. This small group of people basically includes the entire population of Israel.
i believe a measured response and the efficient use of munitions will solve this problem, in the end Israel has to kill the leadership of hamas. they want to hide behind the smoke and mirrors and civilians, they got to come up for air sometime. the west seems to think every one has to be Politically correct, can’t we all just get along? the answer is no. we are at war with ourselves where the muslims are at war with us. is Israel the only ones that see this.
Let the population in Gaza remove hamas from power. How? Every time hamas attacks Israel destroy the complete infrastructure. No telephone, water, television, electricity, gasoline-stations, banks and roads and control imports. I wonder how much time it would take until the population turns against its own “government.” They don’t seem to care about human casualties, but make them live without telephone and internet and cars and they may come to their senses.
I wonder if these attacks upon Israel aren’t, in effect, a diversion by hamas to distract an unhappy population and redirect their angst.
Actually, that’s the main reason that Arab governments have been supporting terrorism against Israel, the U.S., and the West in general for the last two-thirds of a century.
By directing their subjects’ resentment of the fundamentally FUBAR’d state of their own societies and lives against a foreign “enemy”, those governments have managed to stay in power, and milk the oil wealth under their sands, since the end of World War Two. There is little difference in this respect between the Saudi royal family and Hamas in Gaza.
When the scam breaks down, the result is what happened to Qaddafi in Libya.
However (and this is the point that Western “intellectuals” deliberately refuse to admit exists) it would not be possible if the culture of Islam was not based on eternal war against anything and anybody defined as “non-Islamic”. Without that “demand from on high” for the subjugation, or better yet extermination, of the “infidels” (us in general and Jews in particular), the entire con game wouldn’t work. This is why the “Arab Spring” has resulted in anti-Western dictators being replaced, not by friendly democratic regimes’, but aggressively hostile Islamist ones. Simply put, faithfulness to Islamic doctrine requires such governance.
Compare and contrast, India after the Raj. It separated into India (predominantly Hindu, Buddhist, and Sikh), and East and West Pakistan (almost entirely Muslim- East Pakistan was the original name of Bangladesh). Vast numbers of people “relocated” to form enclaves based on religion, the process taking over three years (1948-1951).
About five minutes after the moves were finished, the Muslim government of the “two Pakistans” launched a concerted attack on India, allegedly to gain control of the Hindu Kush to “unite” their two states. They failed.
Since then, India has fought four (or is it five?) more wars with its Muslim neighbor to the north. East Pakistan finally bailed on the government in Islamabad in 1971, after a combination of another failed war and some extremely serious natural disasters that left the “eastern half” battered, bankrupt, and half under water (in the literal as well as the financial sense). The “new” state, Bangladesh, hasn’t been at war with India since then, I suspect mainly due to being too broke to afford enough of an army to be noticed. (NB; the primary supplier of arms to West Pakistan for the last fifty years has been… the United States. Exactly why, no one in Washington has ever been able to satisfactorily explain, as Douglas Adams would say.)
Pakistan continues to attack India as and when they desire. But since Bangladesh is no longer under their rule, their standard excuse (“We must retake the Hindu Kush!”) makes no geopolitical sense.
It does, however, make perfect sense from the twin standpoints of giving the Pakistani people something to work their resentments out on other than their own government- and because the Qu’ran demands eternal war against anyone remotely definable as “non-Islamic”. That includes Sikhs, who are considered “infidels” by “faithful Muslims”, in spite of the close resemblance of Sikhism to mainstream Islam. (It must be said, here, that mistaking a Sikh for a Muslim is considered a grave insult- by a Sikh.)
India is no bed of roses, either. After several decades of disastrous experimentation with socialism (a study of their failures should give any proponent of Obama’s “dreams” pause), they have begun growing in economic strength by (however hesitantly) moving to free-market principles. And being a multi-religious, multi-ethnic “melting pot”, India has had some problems remarkably like those the United States has had. But in all that time, their major political violence threat has always been… Muslim extremists. Mainly those armed and financed by Pakistan. (The Mumbai terrorist attack being only one example.)
For another example in the region, consider Sri Lanka. The island state south of India has had a slow-motion civil war going on for half a century, with the Tamil Tigers attacking (a) the government, (b) tourists, and (c) everybody else. The reason? The Tamil Tigers are Muslims who resent the fact that everyone else in Sri Lanka… is in Sri Lanka. And oh yes, they get serious support from… Pakistan. Which technically shouldn’t give a damn about an island that is, from their geographic POV, literally the butt-end of nowhere.
But it’s part of Islam that “the jihad must be supported everywhere”.
Even piracy in the Indian Ocean figures in. The Somali pirates, the ones in Indonesia, and nautical criminals practically everywhere there are “narrow waters” between the East African coast and the northwest shores of Australia are predominantly Muslim. Yes, it’s economic, but it’s also part of the Jihad. You may notice they don’t attack Saudi or similarly-flagged vessels.
If the Arab/Israeli conflicts were an isolated case, it could be put down to the “official” explanation that the “Palestinian issue” was at the heart of the problem. But that in no way explains the Indian Subcontinent, the Indian Ocean, or anything else of the sort.
(Google “East Timor terrorism”, and note that the actions of those Muslim terrorists are mainly carried out in the Netherlands- a long way from East Timor. Also look up “Moro terrorism Philippines”, and note that the Moros- yes, Muslims- have been at war with anyone who crosses their path since before the Spaniards came to the region. The fact that we have “advisors” there assisting the Philippine Army and police is an eerie echo of, not Vietnam, but the aftermath of the Spanish-American War of 1898.)
The reasons for all this are as stated above;
1. Muslim governments consider terrorism against everyone else a useful “safety valve” for their own peoples’ resentment of those governments lording it over them; and
2. Islam, by definition, is an aggressive culture based on the principle of attacking, subjugating, and destroying everything outside of itself.
Until the “elites’” of the West (especially their political and “intellectual” elements) admit these basic facts, and deal with them realistically, Islam’s war against the rest of the world will never end. Because their willful blindness is one of the major factors that allow the Muslim world to continue its “eternal struggle”… against the rest of the human race.
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Believe it or not, we in Israel, right in the middle of the war, are actually SUPPLYING Gaza with food and fuel.
Good article.
Another reason might be that the Western Elite don’t believe in religion, aside from Marxist worship of the state (which is really worship of the leaders so in effect it is self-worship). Since they don’t believe in divine religions, they don’t take Islam any more seriously than they do Christians or Jews. They see Islamic leaders, including religious ones, in their own terms: men seeking power.
In a way that is true, except those men are using hatred and violence to achieve their ends AND they have a doomsday vision that will usher in the perfect world after a lot of bloodshed. Then again, this also isn’t too different from the Western Elite who are using the hatred of their followers to bring about the doomsday collapse of Western Society so they can impose their perfect totalitarian Utopia. Maybe they think they have an understanding with the Islamists, but they are in fact just too deluded to realize that once Israel is gone, the West will be the next target, and a denuded Soviet style economy won’t be able to put up much resistance.
I agree the CFR American government has helped make things a lot worse, but it is the religion/political system of the enemies of Israel that is the problem.
Who told Hamas to send the rockets? Why? The rockets from Egypt flew 50 miles. That’s a big rocket for terrorists.
Israel/Jews are not of the world system. The world system only loves it’s own. That is why DaOne, and company distance themsleves from Israel, and the reason the UN writes so much BS against Israel.
Faculty Marxists may hate Israel but its not a special hate. They felt the same way about America’s routing of the Taliban in Afghanistan. And pretty much so on throu history. I once heard an resentful person mentioning that the yahoos did not like them to talk about the imminent defeat of the United States by Japan. Not kidding. Same mind set. And no not a bad person, an excellent person in most respects but this one. I don’t know the name for the syndrome but there is one.
Israel sitting back and absorbing rockets is a huge win for it! Every Israeli civilian that dies without the IDF retaliating gains brownie points in the UN!
Yes, it’s like the days of the blood libels.
Of cours,e the enemy see our restraint as weekness.
The only people who disagree are the people who live there, the soldiers just calld up to fight, and their family and friends. Unfortunately for Hamas, that is the entire population of Israel.
So..we can only understand modern Israel and the geo-politics of the region through an understanding of… the bible.
Yes, we have to know and understand history.
Using a single ancient religious text as our only reference? Yeah, I got some questions about that approach.
“Using a single ancient religious text as our only reference? Yeah, I got some questions about that approach.”
Why? Is that not basically what the participants are doing? (Well, other than the Qu’ran.) And it’s not like the Bible lacks documentation (e.g., the Dead Sea Scrolls). It is basically historically accurate. This is a religious war. To understand it, one needs to understand the religious texts. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
You need to get over your knee-jerk resistance to the Bible. It is an historical text, as well as a religious one.
Which texts would you add ?
The Noble Qur’an, the Vedas, the Eddas ?
There are winners and losers everywhere, including religion,
in which area the Judeo-Christian texts have no peers, and
the Old Testament gives the best historical lessons in living.
The Koran basically agrees with the Bible.
We aren’t talking religion. We are talking simple common sense. The Arabs of all people see restraint as weakness. All bullies do.
Western “elites” are baffled by the Middle East in general because the two areas’ inherent thought processes can never be connected, or made to “meld”, hence they start out misunderstanding and baffling each other with their very first syllables. East and West simply aren’t “wired” the same way.
Being exposed to a Western University after the age of about nineteen or twenty only means that all of what they (Middle easterners) learn here starting at that age has to be filtered through what they’ve already been force-fed, even by osmosis, all of those years prior to age nineteen or twenty. That’s a major labyrinth right there.
We Westerners can stare hard at the English paragraphs in their Koran, trying to Understand those consecutive words….but the very words, having been translated from the original Arabic, are doomed from the start to impart different meanings.
This is an innate “culture clash”. There’s no solution, we have to cope with this blockage on a situation-to-situation basis.
Hence, there’s no end to this murderous friction until one of the sides is completely cowed or obliterated. We Westerners must make certain that that isn’t us.
Yes sir! Armies are formed and maintained for the purpose of ‘defeating’ ones enemies or an allies enemies presenting an “imminent threat.” All this economic and military driven nation building theory is a horrible waste of treasure and blood around the world. Have an enemy posing an imminent threat to ours or an allies sovereignty do what is necessary to dispose of them! PERIOD!
Thank you for the analysis, Barry. The Biblical citation from Joshua reveals the duration and intractability of the Jewish epic for survival in its homeland.
In my opinion, this latest dust up is being brokered by Egyptian intelligence in partnership with Hamas. Egypt is determined to create an incident at the border that will allow them to throw off particulars of the peace treaty and exert full control of the Sinai. The status quo right now is a source of great shame in Egypt among the higher ups. Of course Egypt must make it look like their gov’t has nothing to do with it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Egypt is trying to get Israel to actually invite Egypt to exert more control as the good guys suppressing terrorists. Egypt hopes to have their own territory violated by Israel is such a way that the Egyptian gov’t can disown the peace treaty.
Egypt of course wants to help Gaza but they cannot in real terms. With an American-equipped military, Egypt can do nothing beyond ditching the peace treaty, a thing they dare to do without fear of sanctions by the U.S. However to go beyond that and actually fight in Gaza would mean an end to U.S aid, unless Obama is crazier than I think he is.
Egypt’s great dream is to have their own army but they have no money to acquire one. Unless China and Russia are ready to do such a crazy thing, Egypt will have to rattle sabers and be happy with the Camp David treaty torn up. America will never let Egypt use that army other than in defense.
Those complexities inside complexities with the slippery Egyptians you point out (I’m reminded of that “enigma inside a mystery” or whatever the famous phrase was…) reinforce my thought that we should stand offshore with some sort of a Task Force to help Israel quickly, but cut off our aid hydrant to the Egyptians, and the other Muslim nations; as whatever we feed them will be sooner or later turned against the Israelis or us. Mercurial Muslims….trouble.
[As an aside, what irks me is that the French and British who used to be so dominant in that arena, (Sykes-Picot)are now pretty much flaccid (for lack of a better word) and it again, and again, and again....falls upon America to be the supplier of the needed expensive materiel and manpower in varying degrees....this has been going on since 1917...almost a hundred years.]
One more, for emphasis….
……”and again….falls upon America to be the supplier of the needed expensive materiel and manpower in varying degrees….this has been going on since 1917…almost a hundred years…..”
Thank Eisenhower.
Perhaps if we hadn’t helped Nasser when Israel, France and Britain seized the suez canal they might have bothered to stay interested.
We made a bad call on that one and are paying the price to this day…..
Fundamentalist/Orthodox muslims want to kill us…
Moderate muslims want the Fundamentalist/Orthodox muslims to kill us.
I hope this clarifies your fuzzification.
Western elites have an irrational belief in rationalism.
I think western elites have a mistaken belief that everyone is open to a deal, and the deal is about worldly wealth (loot) .
And there is no radical Islam, no moderate Islam and no secular Islam. Its just Islam and its all the same. What else can you call people who would just rather you dead or pushed into the sea? There is no negotiation with these people. They use the same tactics as the communists. Win a few battles a little territory, then a little more, and a little more. Pretty soon the Israelis are dead.
And after they have dispatched with the Israelis, they come after America. Oh, no they’re already here spewing lies, but FORWARD. Where else have we heard that slogan?
Baffled? What else could one expect when twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to rationalize insanity? What I find baffling is that these supposed ‘elites’ are actually paid for their rationalizations.
There comes a time when the rationalizations, excuses, patience and negotiations come to an end. That is when rational people chose up sides and finish the contentions once and for all. The time for rationalizations and excuses have come to an end. The time has come to an end this insanity once and for all.
Unless you can rationalize a few thousand more years of killing and an admitted policy geared toward genocide of a race.
Quit calling them “elites” because they’re really not elite at anything.
The further one is from muslim populations, the more likely you are to defend them.
Who ever controls the water supply controls the arab street – if they are willing to use it. Hamas and the PLO are willing; Israel is not.
Israel realizes that Obama’s cuts to the US military mean that the US no longer has the ability to be an effective ally to the anyone. Our navy is smaller than it was in 1915, the air force is retiring old aircraft without replacement; the army too small to win in Afganistan.
Soon Japan, Korea, Eastern Europe and Western Europe will realize they are in their own. The US is not capable of filling its treaty commitments.
Obama has ended the Pax Americana.
“Consider Janine Zacharia.”
I have.
She’s a moron.
Great article. Sadly (not for Mr Rubin) I am forced to say it is far superior and more clear-headed than Walter Russell Mead’s take on the same war. Obama does not need to caress the anti-war left (pro-war on the other side, as the Blogfather says) so he can say nice things about Israel for now. The Left will continue to eat away at the Jacksonian tradition he claims to admire.
The problem is that most elites are ‘feminized’ to the point of excluding all masculinaty. Let me explain.
A totally masculine society is a barbaric society. Force is worshiped to the exclusion of all else. Diplomacy is viewed as weak and at best a tool to be used for eventual domination. A feminized society is a hyper-civilized society. Force is always viewed as counter-productive and diplomacy is the only way to resolve conflicts. The roots of these tendicies are based on sexual strategies that I won’t go into but should be obvious.
Obviously the most succesful societies are those with a mixture of masculine and feminine traits. That is one of the main reasons Western societies have done so well in the past few centuries. However, civilisations tend to get more and more feminized as time goes on, eventually fall to barbarians and the cycle goes on.
First and foremost- Hamas does not recognize the State of Israel- will not recognize this simple reality in the future either. It calls for the expulsion/elimination of the ‘Zionist State’. Hamas and its military wing (Al Qassam Brigades- hack their twitter AlqassamBrigages@AlqassamBrigade – leave messages)and PLFP and its military wing Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades from Syria- where the Palestinian Refugee Campers (courtesy UNRWA Section 8 housing in perpetuam for 4th generation now +added bonuses as refugees) are fighting each other =some for Syrian g’ment- others for rebels. Gaza same deal by UNRWA and all the various UN orgs from the time it belonged to Egypt). Western media elite is outsourcing the reporting to Gazans/Arabs which also taints the picture. AFP/Gaza ditto AP/Gaza- Al Jazeera and Qatar’s PM & FM al-Thune trying to establish himself as the macher in all matters ME. Don’t forget that Egypt/MB/Nour have been ‘blind’ for all the Farj 5 missiles-Katyusha rockets from Sinai-Libyan missiles (Egypt just caught after a tip (guess who) the smugglers at Libya/Egypt border with 35 missiles) on their way through tunnels to Gaza. How did all the Iranian missiles- UAV production facility occur? Turkey/PM Erdogan is beside himnself and threatens and threatens- even UN- for HIS Palestinians (shades of the Mad Sultan disease.)UNRWA is responsible- Gazans are responsible-Egypt/Turkey/Iran/AL/Quartet/UN is responsible for not demanding anything from Hamas terrorists. First time ever Norway’s correspondent in Gaza is reporting Hamas launching missiles. For the first time Focus.de (German newsagencies field) is reporting Hamas holding 22 foreign correspondents in place (diplomatic lingua w/o allowing them to leave. Hamas also slaughtered one of their own for alleged co-op with Zionists). Of all the rockets/missiles/mortars fired from Gaza -now over 800+ (when over 500- 60 out of them fell inside Gaza- IDF). For Janine Zacharia- learn Latin- learn history- from all ME- archeology helps you too. Time also to understand what Al Qaeda is-its affiliates-adherents-backers-financiers.
My liberal Jewish neighbor and I had a recent discussion about Israel and the Palestinians. He was fearful the Israelis would “overreact” to the ceaseless missile barrage from Gaza. He wondered how”the conflict” could be resolved. I said to him, ” I want the Israelis to crush the Palestinians, grind them into the dust, so they can never threaten Israel again”. He looked at me as though I had lost my mind. .I said, “real peace comes when you defeat your enemies, not have a cease-fire. We destroyed Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, and we are all better for it. Imagine if we negotiated a “peace” with those enemies: we would still be fighting them. Same with Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran: crush them”. He sighed, shook his head, and left. You are right: timeless truths are unknown, denied or rejected by the Left for a make-believe world that has not existed and does not now exist. What will it take for leftists to see the danger? Missiles falling inside Tel Aviv and Jerusalem won’t do it, as we now see. Will a mushroom cloud finally do it?
Your analysis is correct. Unfortunately, men are, and always will be, barbarians at heart. The only real difference between us and the cave dwelling barbarians of old is technology. What has made the West less barbaric is Judeo-Christian culture and values.
Unfortunately, our effete liberal “elite” has grown up in a Judeo-Christian world that has acted like a protective cocoon, sheltering them from mankind’s barbaric nature and therefore making the idea of children being raised to be human bombs beyond their ability to comprehend, and so they pretend it does not exist.
Leftists will not see the danger until it is their own throat that is being slit.
Are you kidding?
Here we are; nearly EIGHTY years after the Japanese surrender in World War II–and the Left still can’t accept the way it ended.
It’s a common trope around the Left that Japan was ready to surrender, but President Truman ignored the Japanese calls for surrender so that he could drop the atom bomb on Hiroshima anyway to scare the Russians.
Gar Alperovitz sounded that theme in the 1970s. And the Left still talks like that today.
I’ve gotten so tired of having to correct the Left on this, time and again. (Japan refused to surrender unconditionally, insisting on certain conditions that no American president could accept after the Bataan Death March. And even after the A-bombing of Nagasaki, militarist hard-liners would have continued the fight if Emperor Hirohito hadn’t thrown in the towel.)
But this theory of theirs has acquired a status of myth. Can’t touch it.
And if you think THAT is bad, here’s what Noam Chomsky said about World War II:
“Of course, it was politically impossible after Pearl Harbor for the United States not to declare war; we know how very difficult it is to restrain from striking back, even when you do know that the guilt is distributed. [!!!]….
“Now what were the consequences of striking back and what was our own role in creating the situation in which the violence took place? On December 8, we struck back quite blindly, quite unthinkingly, and I’m not at all sure in retrospect that the world is any the better for it. It’s quite striking to read the dissenting opinion at the Tokyo tribunal of the one Indian justice who was permitted to take part, and who dissented from the entire proceedings, concluding himself that the only acts in the Pacific War that in any way corresponded to the Nazi atrocities were the dropping of the two atom bombs on Japanese cities. A.J. Muste in 1941-2 predicted that we would adopt the worst features of our adversaries, of the object of our hatred, and that we would replace Japan as a still more ferocious conqueror. And I think it’s very difficult to deny the justice of that prediction. So even after Pearl Harbor, I would accept advocacy of nonviolence, not as an absolute moral principle, but as conceivably justified in those particular historical circumstances. In short, there may well have been alternatives to the Pacific War. ”
http://www.chomsky.info/debates/19671215.htm
Hopeless. Just hopeless.
What baffles me is that the oh-so-sensitive Left can hear racist dog whistles in everything that a republican says, but Hamas can say publicly and repeatedly “we wish to exterminate the entire Jewish race” and they hear nothing.
Well, during the Cold War when Soviet Premier Khrushchev said to America, “We will bury you,” liberals heard nothing as well.
We’re all familiar with Hitler’s Big Lie theory: The bigger the lie, the more likely it will be believed. But the opposite is true too: The bigger the truth, the LESS likely it will be believed.
They can’t read either since the Hamas Constitution clearly states there never be peace.
HAMAS Constitution
“Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.”
The Imam and Martyr Hassan al-Banna
“Our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave,” the Hamas charter says. “Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims.”
Article Thirteen
“[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the
international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad.”
“There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad.
The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game.”
“I swear by that who holds in His Hands the Soul of Muhammed! I indeed wish to go to war for the sake of Allah! I will assault and kill,assault and kill, assault and kill (told by Bukhari and Muslim).”
I wonder how they explain Greece and Romania. Or are they next?
Greece and Romania next?
No.
Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia, Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia, Sicily, Portugal, Spain, Gibralter, Malta, Crete, Austria south and east of Vienna, Germany south of Koblenz, France south of Tours, western China, the Phillipines, Malaysia, Burma, Cambodia, South Vietnam, Borneo, Sri Lanka, and the whole of India are next. After Israel.
More on Article 11 of the Hamas Charter:
Article Eleven:
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up.
…
This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.
In other words… if Islam ever occupied any land anywhere in the world, Allah gave it to the Master Race by right of conquest. It is theirs, and they will not cease killing until they get it back.
Article 22:
For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.
You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.
I’ll give Zacharia the benefit of the doubt and say she’s merely a dunce, and not a fellow traveler of the Palestinians terrorist organization known as Hamas. But even a dunce must see how ludicrous is the idea of negotiating with Hamas. As if Hamas has political goals it wants to achieve. Can she really be so stupid as to be ignorant of the ultimate fantasy of every child of Hamas? I speak of the admitted Hamas goal of one day seeing the last Jewish man, woman and child on earth being pushed into the Mediterranean. Can she truly be ignorant of Hamas’s most longed for event?
“What baffles me is that the oh-so-sensitive Left can hear racist dog whistles in everything that a republican says, but Hamas can say publicly and repeatedly “we wish to exterminate the entire Jewish race” and they hear nothing.”
Because viewing Republicans as ‘evil’ and fighting them tooth-and-nail is safe and makes them feel brave. They know consiously or unconsiously that Republicans won’t do them any harm unlike real evil organisations like Hamas. Also, don’t discount the childish impulse that libs have in taking the opposite side of any Republican issue. If Republicans view an organization as dangerous and one that needs to be opposed, be sure that libs will embrace that same organization with excuses and rationalizations.
Liberalism has a very dangerous mix of nihilism with a happy face.
Easy fix. Let’s have a vote. Let’s draw a line around the entire spot of territory in dispute. Let’s let all the people who currently live in that territory, and all of the people who want to live there (but are currently kept out for various reasons) vote for who should be in charge. This would be democracy at work. Let all of Palestine vote (not just the current Israeli partition). What could be wrong with a democratic vote?
Right after you let all of North and South America vote for who gets to runthe United States. What could be more fair?
Hamas is waging total war against Israel.
The only appropriate response to total war is total war in reprisal.
Of course… you could strike a compromise: drop 1 bomb for every rocket Hamas has fired at Israel.
Even at a 10/1 ratio against Israel that would result in carpetbombing.
Mr. Rubin you nailed it. For the foreseeable future there won’t be any sort of peace between Israel’s neighbors nor with the “invented entity” called Palestinians. Even not their name is theirs! The arab-muslim Middle East is not going through a change, it is more a managed collapse. The problem isn’t only an Israeli one, its a Western (and world) problem. I was just reading a US (dated November 2012) Congressional Report which ties Hezbollah terror org to the Mexican drug cartels; which is a known fact, though not too much advertised.
Meantime we heard twice the sirens here in Tel Aviv today. I hope my fellow citizen in the south will get a tranquil sleep this night. The next days are crucial, I guess to make sure Hamas will not posses any more long and short range missiles, we are obliged to put our boots in Gaza again.
I think there should be a population transfer — Gazans should be removed — returned to Egypt where they belong. Then declare the Gaza Strip as a DMZ Zone — a no-man’s land.
I have just taken to assuming that every single article, news broadcast, etc. appearing in the so-called MSM (with the exception of the WSJ editorial page and Fox News on CERTAIN subjects) will be biased against Israel, Republicans, Western Civilization and conservative values in general. In general, I’ve found that this view has served me well.
My thoughts & prayers are with the people of Israel.
Yea! As if they had a more superior sect/society to speak from.
Exactly WHO do these idiots think they ARE?
God.
clear ether
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I love your comments, as do many others.
Wisdom like yours is SORELY needed.
Nice to see you are still committed to the willing.
All the best, sir.
We are witnessing another religious minority being “assimilated”.
If they just enact an EEO policy, like the U.S., and elect a mullah as their President, all nations (especially the New York Times) will applaud their “progress”, and they can “profit” off the commendation.
A Nobel Peace Prize is waiting for the first to be elected.
(What? You don’t think the NYT is considered a “Nation”? They do.)
The so called elites of the countless think tanks and the CFR are clueless when it comes to understanding human nature and history. There has always been wars and conflict and will always continue to be. The underlying foundations of war and conflict can range from economic, religion and political idological dominance.
Since the end of WWII and the formation of what is the UN today, America and some of its allies and the CFR have approached foreign relations with arrogant ignorance. I’ll just leave it at that!
Does anyone see the American Jewish community standing up for their “homeland”?
No.
They have a SIGNIFICANT majority in America and they are comfortably apathetic.
They supported Obama, for christ sakes.
And with the incursion of muslims in the U.S., the religious war will contaminate the continental U.S. with government endorsement.
Will Michigan become the first American Palestine?
AND RIGHT THIS MINUTE, “60 MINUTES” HAS A SEGMENT RUNNING ACROSS THE UNITED STATES THAT INFANTS ARE INNATELY PREDUJICED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which of these two groups has the most infantile intellect?
Some people can never learn. They remain comfortable in their ignorance.
I just watched it, The most stupid study ever conducted. No wonder why childish Americans voted the way they voted. the most noticeable part of the segment was Leslie’s face full of amaze. This women suppose to be impartial reporter what a joke. Welcome to la la land of 21st century America.
” I want the Israelis to crush the Palestinians, grind them into the dust”
Likewise.
The Pals and other Muslim terrorists made a bad mistake when they started killing Americans.
Now, they have an enemy for life in me.
“If the enemy sets foot on a single square inch of Islamic land, Jihad becomes an individual duty, incumbent on every Muslim, male or female. A woman may set out [on Jihad] without her husband’s permission, and a servant without his master’s permission. Why? In order to annihilate those Jews…Oh Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, destroy the Americans and their supporters. Oh Allah, count them one by one, and kill them all, without leaving a single one.”–Ahmad Bahr, typical Hamas scumbag, speaking in 2012
Peace? Here’s the peace terms: When every last member of Hamas is burning in hell, and when the remnants of the “Palestinians” are driven out of the West Bank and Gaza and sent back to Arabia, where the Muslim imperialists and colonialists came from…then I’ll go for peace.
Caveat: if the Israelis can work out some kind of peace deal, that’s their business, I’m just giving my personal viewpoint. I don’t think it’s possible, though.
Western elites were probably baffled by Ghengis Kahn. They were certainly baffled by Hitler. It’s part of being an elite. When they figure out that their lives are on the line they’ll get it.
“What a distinguished resume: … chief diplomatic correspondent for Bloomberg News”
Wow, I’m impressed. Almost as impressed as if she had worked for McDonalds.
Come to think of it that is very cruel and unfair comment. Most of the folks working at McDonalds are decent, honest, hardworking people, unlike Zacharia.
If Zacharia doesn’t win a Pulitzer, she’ll get a National Fiction Award.
There’s a difference?
There are many good people who believe the Western media is not only baffled but willingly blind to history, decency and common sense. That an indigenous people cannot, in the eyes of the West, legitimatly elect a democratic government, while being occuipied, denied rights and in the case of Gaza imprisoned, beggars belief. This article may be comfort for the many brave and innocent civilians coping with rockets from Hamas, but it hurts them in the long run. They must understand that Western media, with its near unequivical support for the Israeli perspective, is doing them much more harm than good. Common sense always prevails – we saw it prevail over slavery, imperialism and discrimination against Jewish people – even though millions had to die before it did.
Arab Muslims have as much right to political control over Eretz Israel (or anything north of the Arabian Peninsula, for that matter) as British Christians had in India…which is none whatsoever.
They’re imperialists and colonialists, and they should have been booted back to Mecca centuries ago.
Now I know this is not a serious right-wing comment page. Smart people on the right would never suggest there were no Arabs living in the Israel/Palestine area for hundreds, thousands of years before 1948. My people were removed by force only 200 years ago by (some well-intentioned) British Australians. My father and peoples religion is inexplicably intwined in the land of our ancestors. I do not begrudge the European Australians being on the land of our ancestral spirits and would feel ashamed if an international body, such as the UN, granted me my peoples spiritual homeland, if that meant excluding and killing those who have lived there for the past 200 years.
Excellent article Mr Rubin- right on point. I commend you.
This is too easy. Look at the world through the uneducated view of a 7th century rube being fed crap by his nearly equally uneducated religious leader. Rinse. Repeat.
Israel needs to finish the war for once and for all, and make a historic example of Gaza. Gaza should be reduced to rubble with thermobarics and napalm, and then plowed under to flat and level sand. Let the survivors scamper over the border to Egypt, and never let them back.
The reality is that the Arabs and the Jews hate each other and that will never change. The only solution is for the Jordanians, most of whom are Palestinians, to overthrow the monarchy and create a Palestinian state. Gaza should become a mini-city state and the West Bank a zone governed by Israel and the new Palestinian state where the rights of the Jews and Arabs will be respected. I personally favor a united Jerusalem as the capital of Israel but it should be a kind of open city. The Palestinians, with their new state, can have a capital in Amman buy Israel should allow them to have a kind of mini-capital in part of East Jerusalem. It would be Israeli territory but it would be leased to the Palestinians. Once Gaza is recognized as a state, Hamas will have its hands full with its own terrorists who are even more militant than they are, which is why Hamas has been attacking Israel-to show they are even more anti-Israel than the jihadists in their midst. I dare say that Netanyahu’s response is gamesmanship exercised in the belief that there will be a cease fire. That will put him in the driver’s seat for the coming elections in which he will have only token opposition. Once he is back in power, he will have to decide what he wants to be remembered for. Does he want to be remembered as someone who brought Israel both peace and security or does he want to be remembered as someone who brought just a continued state of conflict. That is up to him and no amount of outside pressure will change that.
BARRY RUBIN:
You say;
“The elite currently in power in the Western mass media will never comprehend the Middle East. There is a problem with bias, for sure, but the big issue is the impenetrable ignorance of the very people entrusted with explaining the region to others. They insist on imposing their own misconceptions on the situation while ignoring the evidence.”
I disagree. These folks are smart enough to KNOW what the real story is. It is their IDEOLOGY that demands that they misrepresent, lie, and ignore the evidence.
Look, during the time and after, of Stalin and Mao, “intellectuals” all across Europe and the USA (the “useful idiots”) lied about the nature of these dictatorships and denied, rationalized or simply lied about the mass exterminations these murderers committed. They simply blamed the USA (i.e., capitalism) for all the world’s ills.
Just to cite two examples Hobsbawm and Chomsky literally jumped through their anuses to JUSTIFY or deny the horrors of any left wing mass murderer.Chomsky in particular had a very soft spot for Pol Pot.
Further, you will note that the people who really hate Israel, about 99% of them, are liberals, liberal progressives, socialists or communists.
This is NOT a coincidence.
Ever since the USSR became pals with Egypt’s Nasser, the entire middle east affair became – due to the very effective propaganda of the USSR and Arabs – a fable in which exploited, repressed “victims,” the fictitious “Palestinians,” were being enslaved, murdered, exploited by the evil Israelis.
Of course, Israel was, and still is ( I think, thought with Obama you never know) an ally of the imperialistic, root of all evil in the world, capitalistic, exploitative USA.
When the middle east mess became a cold war battle zone betwixt the USSR and the USA is the moment the Israelis became the new NAZIS to the world’s media, politicians and intellectuals.
Intellectuals, and those who perceive themselves (the media, academics, etc) as such, have always had a very soft spot for the communist, socialist worldview. After all capitalists are greedy and thrive in a dog-eat world where the disenfranchised are poor BECAUSE they are victims of the evil capitalists.
ANY story that can be CREATED in which a group or class can be “assigned” the role of victim is one that the leftists will initiate (i.e, invent), encourage and exploit to promote their political (socialist) agenda.
And “intellectuals,” well, they are above all of the crass comings and goings of the “merchant class.” (This animosity goes back hundreds of years when non-aristocrats, through trade and commerce, could become just as wealthy as the educated, refined, sophisticated, born-into-the-proper-family, long-standing aristocracy. The aristocracy HATED these folks, and still do. You see, ONLY the aristocracy has a RIGHT to wealth because they are refined and sophisticated and came into their wealth the proper way; that is, any means other than commerce or trade).
Years ago I visited W.Berlin and my West German university student host explained to me that the Berlin Wall – we were standing about 10 feet from the wall in full view of E.German guard house with machine guns atop the wall – that the wall was necessary to keep USA and W.German spies from entering E.Germany. He was totally serious; and this guy was a university student in W.Berlin. I am not making this up.
That was my very first exposure to a seemingly “normal” and “educated” person who was completely brainwashed and delusional. The existence of the wall and the prior history of E. Germans seeking freedom and left to die over the barbed wire (before the wall was built) after being shot IN THE BACK simply did not enter his thought process. He did not care. It did not matter.
He simply was a hardcore, communist ideologue. His ideology DEMANDED that he ignore the facts directly in front of his face. His religious belief – communism – demanded that he be delusional. Mind you, this fellow was otherwise totally normal.
(Check out the website of the CPUSA if you think I describe an isolated case).
Today, those who blame Israel for literally everything that occurs there are no different. They practice an unshakeable RELIGION, THE RELIGION OF LIBERAL PROGRESSIVENESS, socialism or communism. This religion demands that they support any and all groups they themselves have defined as “oppressed.” It makes zero difference if an oppressed group is really oppressed or not, or if the “oppressed” group engages in activities guaranteed to result in some form of retribution that will cause them injury.
What matters is that in achieving the goal (the establishment of a utopian state) of the progressive, the ends justifies the means. Those who lead this charge have always had and will always have the “intellectual” (and other “useful idiots” like them who believe they are “superior” to ordinary folks) to man their front lines.
The mistake many make, IMHO, is that we look to find excuses for why leftists or hate-America/Israel do what they do. There really is nothing to seek or find. It is a belief system that in every sense of the word borders on delusional; and this makes them VERY dangerous because there is absolutely nothing that you can show or provide them; no facts that you can bring to bear that will change their world view. The facts are meaningless. There is NOTHING that will have them even consider an alternate reality.
The ONLY solution, literally , is to destroy them before they destroy all of us. And they will if given the chance.
There will be war as long as Israel allows it. Once Israel has decided not to offer its citizens as human sacrifices to the unappeasable god of world opinion, it will choose the alternative selected by the Allies in World War 2: defeating the enemy; victory in the form of unconditional surrender by the enemy. Anything less will prolong the bloodshed.
One solution that might work would be to invade Gaza, and totally stomp Hamas, and then see if Abbas wants to take over Gaza again and rule with the PLA. The PLA is not great, but at least they have n9ot actively attacked Israel in several years. But if the PLA does not want to try and rule Gaza, Israel has a dilemma, stay there, and face a continued intifada, or leave like they did in the past, and let a weakened Hamas take over again.
Western elites believe in “soft power” over war. Except it has been proven time and time again that “soft power” is almost co eyelet ineffective at achieving international political objectives.
The Suspension of Habeas Corpus in America
Obama: a President Who Places Himself Above the Law.
By Jean-Claude Paye
Global Research, November 14, 2012
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-suspension-of-habeas-corpus-in-america/5311701