Finally, we have evidence that Islamists and even al-Qaeda supporters will play a central role in Libya’s new regime. Up to now there has been reasonable speculation that the U.S. government and NATO might be installing an anti-Western, Islamist government in Libya. Now there’s proof that this is so.
The actual government remains in the hands of non-Islamists, technocrats, ex-regime officials, and moderates. But the armed rebels who actually made the revolution have voted and their idol is…an al-Qaeda guy. Political power, said Mao Zedong, grows out of the barrel of a gun and in Libya’s case this seems a very reasonable expectation.
According to Al Jazeera, the network recommended by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as fair and balanced, Abdul al-Hakim al-Hasadi, also known as Abdelhakim Belhaj, has been named commander of the Tripoli Military Council. He was formerly head of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, an al-Qaeda affiliate. Moderates are understandably nervous.
In 1999, the group’s spokesman praised Osama bin Laden (remember him?) and said: “The United States no longer relies on its agents to constrict the Islamic tide; it has taken this role upon itself.” One of its former leaders worked to plan the attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, resulting in massive loss of life. In 2003, members were involved in an al-Qaeda terror attack in Morocco.
In November 2007, al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri announced that the two groups were merging. True, a number of the group’s activists in prison denounced terrorism and made a deal with the Gaddafi regime in order to be set free. But since the organization broke its pledge to Gaddafi in order to overthrow him, presumably that deal no longer stands.
At any rate, the group was still designated as terrorist by the U.S. government. Here it is on the terrorism list (number 26, in alphabetical order) released by the State Department last May.
Of course, the appointment of one leader in an al-Qaeda affiliated group does not an Islamist regime make. But it is an omen and, again, the people who control the guns are more important than those who control the desks. We will have to see how things develop.
But another indication is that there’s more. Who put him in this post? The armed rebels chose al-Hasadi as their commander, not leaving that selection to the NATO-backed Transitional National Council government. Remember, I pointed out that the guys with guns don’t care what the guys in suits say. Some council members complained that al-Hasadi is sponsored by Qatar, which gave a lot of the money and whose rulers like to play radical sheikhs who often align themselves with Iran.
In fact, we can quote on this point Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, who told a U.S. official in 2007 — as we now know thanks to Wikileaks– “He was extremely worried about Qatar and its continued support for Hamas and other Islamist organizations in the West Bank and Gaza…claiming that they provide ‘more support to fundamentalists than Kuwait or Saudi Arabia.’”
U.S. policy has given no sense that it is aware of this problem.
As far as I can tell most people see events through their own perspective, and the present Obama administration sees things through a New Left 1960′s prism. This means that any and all “revolutionary movements” are praiseworthy and noble, and any “establishment regimes” are perforce evil and reactionary.
This is why the Obama administration treats Israel at best as persona non grata and at worst as it’s Middle East bete noir.
Certainly a really rude awakening is in store for the Obama outfit, but I am really afraid that we Israelis are going to be the ones taking the biggest hits.
‘But actually installing an Islamist regime with Western weapons? That’s crossing the line.’
The line was crossed some time ago,twice.
You did a good job connecting the dots but left out the greatest triumph of Islam with a trillion plus dollars of American investment and blood,the Islamic Republic or Iraq… and then we have ‘Taliban in the plans Afghanistan’.
What’s really interesting today is how the ascendant Caliphate clan no longer bother to hide their true intentions and are ably assisted by dark,evil forces in the West.
It’s worse than stupidity,its their evil agenda as pappy GHW Bush proclaimed ‘a new world order is upon us’
I wonder when naive Israel will figure out that Israel does not fit into their plans but Islam does and this is why Israel is always squeezed and never the violent,treacherous,lying,murdering Palestinian’s never,never,never squeezed.
It’s nothing personal for these evil folk,it’s all about numbers and there’s more of them than there are Jews.
I wonder what it’s going to take to wake up gullible,brainwashed ISRAEL to the truth ?
Mustafa Abdul Jalil might be opposed to al-Qaeda as he would be opposed to any rival muslim clan or tribe, but that is no sign of moderation (a bad muslim according to islam’s texts and tenets, someone who doesn’t take islam to heart.) He’s a true, practicing muslim, with a zebiba on the forehead to prove it. His alleged moderation is one more of those bury-your-head-in-the-sand strategies of denial by those who are too scared of reality to see it as it is.
…..”I wonder when naive Israel will figure out that Israel does not fit into their plans but Islam does…..”, (…”their” being the Libyans’ plans…)
Marcel….calling Israel “naive” is just about the strangest, silliest, thing anyone, anywhere, could say about the State of Israel, which is the very personification of a modern State having emerged from every imaginable tragedy over many centuries’ duration.
Whatever you may think of individual members of any elected government, “naive” cannot ever apply to the State of Israel.
A Western-oriented Libya also confers the benefit of containing a future radical Egypt.
‘”their” being the Libyans’ plans…’
“their” being the US,UN,EU,Arab League’s,etc. plans.
Wake up and smell the winds of war.
Like I said before but now with an add on ;’extremely NAIVE’
That recent “get-together” in Paris with the TNC was (from what I’ve read) not about making democracy demands on Libya, but rather on how to fund/flood the TNC with billions of dollars — to un-freeze Libyan assets. Meanwhile oil companies are lining up…(I don’t think western-style “democracy” is in the cards). Is NATO now finished? (or will they continue to play the role of military dhimmis at the beck and call of the Arab League?)
Subversion from the top? That’s scary! The word “subversion” suggests something driven from underneath the waterline, like a stealth insurgency aiming for a takeover through asymmetric tactics. When the point is reached when the subversive momentum comes from the top, it means the maneuver has come close to a successful completion. If this is the case, the tack taken by the next election is indeed of historic significance.
The clear evidence for the objective observer is not interested for the lefist media mob of reporters and the audience.The part of the pro-Arab sympathy in the world has the root of America and Israel`s hate.
Will somebody please explain to me the difference between an “Islamist”, and a “Muslim”? See,,, all this time I was thinking they were one and the same. A Muslim is someone who embraced Islam as not only a religion, but a way of life.
Now, let’s see a show of hands of all those who thought that out of the Libyan revolution there would step an Arab style Thomas Jefferson, complete with a brand new Declaration of Independence and a new Constitution, complete with an updated version of the 1st Amendment negating the importance of Sharia law. Hummm,,, didn’t think so.
And yet there seems surprise that our mortal enemy, al-Qaida would step into the void. Anyone with two working brain cells could have called that one. A Muslin is a Muslim, they can not resist Islamism, it’s in their DNA.
Remember, the only good snake is a dead snake.
When you called for a show of hands, mine indeed went deeper into my pockets. As the expression goes regarding Libya, “It becomes increasingly obvious to even the most casual observer” that “in with the new boss/same as the old boss” is in the offing.
Daffy was a tyrant…and originally supported by a very narrow group of political affiliates, yet he managed to be the “revolutionary du jour” and the people…the sad, pathetically ignorant people thought they would have it better once they kicked the westerners out. So, from 1969 on, how has that worked out?
Now, lacking Sunday Night Football and “Libyan Idol” to watch on TV, they once again became bored and supported another “revolution” a mere 42 years later. Hm, Sounds just about like the rolling past of one generation, or maybe two.
As I’ve said before if you’ve read my posts, Libya, prior to the man with bad skin and an even worse attitude coming along, was enjoying a real boon in many areas with the influx of western money. Since the end of WWII, Tripoli was quickly gaining potential for a lot of income.
Daffy stalled it and eliminated it. And while oil sales from Libya did increase over the decades, squalor and poverty there also grew. Gee, I wonder why. And is it any wonder that this new raghead is going to provide anything other than a totally skewed/warped/viscious picture to the people? Which tribe in Libya will suffer the most? Whoever isn’t of the same tribe as this new monster, no doubt and…(wait for it) blacks in a big, big way. But we’ll hear not from masters Jesse and Al, for the only kind of racial violence in the world exists in the US in the form of whites against blacks. That is, if you ask them and only them.
And Hitlery’s opinion? I will quote from the Human Beings, “What she says is unimportant and I do not hear her words.”.
On a side note, I sure hope the bamster can set up a meeting with Abdul-alphabet-sharia-lover-sandalfoot real soon so he can get his apologies in. Wouldn’t want to seem rude.
http://www.countercurrents.org/cramer040511.htm
Before the US/NATO and “rebels” began their murderous and destructive attacks on the Libyans and their government, people In Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands….Libya ranked 61st, with a lower incarceration rate than Czech republic. It had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa, less than 5% of the population was undernourished, In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished all taxes on food.
A fact the media cannot falsify is the HDI (Human Development Index) measured by UN officials. These data indicate, for example, that Libya had in 1970, a situation a little worse than Brazil (HDI of 0.541, against 0.551 of Brazil.) The Libyan index surpassed the Brazilian years later, and in 2008 was well ahead: 0.810 (ranked 43rd), compared to 0.764 for Brazil (ranking 59th). All three sub-indices that comprise the HDI are higher in Libya: income, longevity and education. Libya is the country with the highest HDI in Africa. Therefore, the best distribution of income and health care and public education—the last two are free. And almost 10% of Libyan students receive scholarships to study in foreign countries.
the only good snake is a dead snake. jb you are so right,
Installing versus supporting an anti-western government, a curious demarcation, for the new American pragmatism is a distinction without a difference, because Americans now lead mindlessly from behind. It must be a humanitarian infatuation? Isn’t curious how some girls, and not always celebrities, always seem to fall for outlaws and sheiks? Of course, when you’re the western American rump on the Arabs long march for “freedom,” you have little or no say in the outcome, and where the column ends up. I suspect there will be a lot of disappointment when the Americans and NATO are finally bent over the Libyan oil barrel.
Will anyone really be surprised that islamist radicals have been given Libya and Egypt by Hussein Obama. The man is doing his best to make Carter the second worst president of all time. At least Carter only gave us Iran.
Everyone here who reads this blog HAD to know that the very second Captain Zero set anything in motion regarding Libya that it would turn out to be bad for the West and especially for the US. What’s odd is that as much as Zero has done to help propagate violent islam, the violent islam leaders still hate him. Unless that’s just taqiyya. But who knows with these idiots?
As near as I can tell, war is coming in a big, big way. It will be the muslims against everyone else. And…everyone else will win, of course but not until a great amount of blood has been spilled. Indeed, we’re already at war, both in a military sense and a psychological one, but I’m talking about all-out, eliminate-the-enemy-at-all-costs kind of thing. Heavy mobilization and huge buildups.
One of the reasons the sand-people are so bold these days is, in part, because they know what Carter and later, our first black president did to the military. Then, there’s Zero with his “don’t wanna make ‘em mad” catch-phrase which simply means he’s happy to let them come and kill at will. Using US forces to help “rebels” was naive at best and ridiculously foolish at worst. Unless one considers it had the exact desired effect. That of supporting a non-Kadaffy government that hates the US even more…but which is completely disassociated with Dumb-ama so he can show everyone how to do that “let’s come together” thang. Only, again, such thinking is naive. It’s the addicted gambler mentality. “I’ll get it on the next roll; I’ll be rich!”
I shake my head every day wondering what’s intentional and what’s just plain stewpid on the part of this government.
SG-1 – I think the Muslims are smart enough to realize that if they start a real shooting war with the West, they will lose it in a matter of days. Rather, the kind of war they will fight is one of continuous low level terrorism where you can’t point a finger at any one country, and say you did it. Rather, they will covertly fund terrorism in a way that cannot be traced back to them. Another way the Muslims will try and conquer the West is by migration. At some point, a critical mass of Muslims reside in some country where they start making all kinds of demands (think UK) or start killing people (think Theo van Gogh in he Netherlands) or take over a town where non-Muslims become unwelcom (think Malmo). That is how they will do it and our scruples will prevent us from responding appropriaely. Remember – Islam is not a religion; it is a totalitarian political ideology cloaked in the pretense of a religion.
Excellent points and I agree with your assessment. I also think that they win because, sadly, we have large and growing populace in the USA that is slowing stewing in pot of political correctness, and while the temperature boils, they’re more concerned with who will win American Idol this week. I’m continually amazed at the lack of concern or knowledge about domestic and world affairs from my friends and my own family. The apathy just screams out at you.
It’s that attitude that the growing radical Islamic movement counts on.
Gaza has just acquired anti-aircraft and anti-tank rockets from rebel-controlled Libya. Every Muslim terrorist organization on earth must be rejoicing over the US/NATO/Libyan rebel victory. As US/NATO won the war for the rebels, US/NATO is now responsible for removing these rockets from Gaza – rockets that will be fired on Israel’s civilians.
“Ex” al-Qaeda Abdul al-Hakim al-Hasadi is dangerous: what are the international forces that got rid of Gaddafi thinking allowing him to become commander of the Tripoli Military Council? Are those international forces now following the example of the Fascist Saudis who by giving safe haven to Muslim Brotherhood Nazi Arabs escaping from Egypt after WWII -literally created in their bigot (to say the least)Wahhabi Madrasas- Bin Laden and company? Is oil money and oil itself so seductive that not just the U.S. but also NATO must toe the line of the Arab League? What a tragicomic homage to 10 years of 911!
The Obama-supported rebels left in charge are now conducting a “large
scale cleaning in the areas under their control with the extermination
of all blacks in the capital”, according to The Independent.
Ruthless genocide of blacks in Libya by the US/NATO backed Al-Qaeda linked rebels has been going on for some time. US/NATO who waged war for months for the Al-Qaeda linked rebels-who murder our troops in Iraq-are RESPONSIBLE for stopping the genocide. US/NATO are also responsible for rescuing the many blacks kidnapped by the rebels, including the kidnapped black children who have been horrendously abused by the black-hater Muslim rebels.
STOP THE GENOCIDE!
Surprise ! Obama supporting muslim forces, and this was supposed to be his war against radical islam. BTW, is there really any other kind? Yep, birds of a feather flock together. And here I was hoping The O was showing his manly side.
isn’t it odd, AQ was a american creation though, useful when it was ment to fight Russia !
You are just passing on a Big Lie, here, Marie Claude.
We didn’t “create” any of the players in the whole Middle Eastern/Southern Asian bouillabaise, but we certainly encouraged and helped to fund the Northern Alliance, who were the sworn enemy of AQ (and whose leader, Achmad Shah Massoud, was assassinated by them just days before 9/11).
And it’s no good telling me to Google “US created Al Qaeda”, anymore than it’s any good to tell me to Google “US Government was behind 9/11″. Just because there are a lot of unhinged conspiracy nuts out there, (particularly of the reflexively anti-American variety), doesn’t mean you should believe any of them.
Installing probable hard-line islamist, Sharia-law-based, pro-AQAM government inn Libya (with all its vast oil wealth) is not a foreign policy win for U.S. interests. Our current islamist, Communist-in-Chief and his SecDef (and her girlfriend) must think everybody in America is completely clueless – the 2012 elections or a richly deserved impeachment cannot come soon enough.
I’m shocked I tell you, I am totally shocked. /s
‘But actually installing an Islamist regime with Western weapons? That’s crossing the line’
Mr. Rubin,
Do you really believe Hussein Obama and Clinton care about their own country. So far every action(domestic or foreign) taken by Hussein Obama Administration has been proven to be detrimental to the survival of the USA.
I can’t wait for 2012
Why Libya? It certainly wasn’t an oil issue; the tyrant was more than willing to sell oil at any price to anyone. I suppose it could be a humanitarian issue, an altruistic intervention by the girls on the order of, say Vietnam, but without the collateral American casualties, although there is the current violence in Syria, the Sudan, and Somalia. I know, the tyrant had been rehabilitated by Bush and so deserved being overthrown by those newly discovered Arab Spring “freedom fighters” that had formerly been shipping off to Iraq to kill Americans. Now that the Libyan rebels are in charge, we have all these serendipitous stories coming out about CIA renditions and torture committed by the Libyan state at the behest of the Bush CIA. That’s pretty slick; take no prisoners, destroy your intelligence sources, call it a humanitarian intervention, reveal NATO to be a paper tiger, and possibly develop evidence for torture prosecutions of officials serving during the Bush Administration. Now that’s Chicago politics.
Daffy & some of his buddies in the OAS were murmuring about refusing to accept the USD as the currency of exchange for their plentiful oil & mineral resources and instead going to a form of the gold standard. That could not be allowed to occur. As far as the aftermath of our stupid, dangerous intervention is concerned the situation in Libya and Egypt does not bode well for our real national interests. Thank you Sarkozy, Obama, and HIllary.
Hey don’t forget blood and guts McCain he was all in with Obambi and Hitlery. He was back to being a “maverick” again or is that RINO.
uh, rather say thanks to Bush and Blair that rewarded Gadhafi for good services
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2033460/Secret-files-Labour-lied-Gaddafi–warned-holy-war-Megrahi-died-Scotland.html
But of course. The whole plan is to create new Bogey Men to keep the military traders and US procurement office busy with orders. They need to keep a new wave of warmongering in business and you just did a fine job of promoting them. The Hezbollah Axis from Indo-China all the way across North Africa will be a perfect punch bag for US and EU weapons practice. That is needed to bolster US economy which is so military based. Wars actually employ a lot of people and keep them happy
“actually installing an Islamist regime with Western weapons? That’s crossing the line.”
I submit that the line was first crossed when the KLA, or Kosovo Liberation Army, refused to disarm at Madeleine Albright’s behest, at the end of that other humanitarian bombin that took place in 1999. Clinton’s Secretary of State fumed for a while, then came up with a brilliant solution: let them keep their arms but wear U.N. badges and march under a U.N. banner. Since then over 130 Christian churches, sanctuaries and holy sites have been desecrated, torched, vandalized, destroyed, whie mosques routinely spring up in Kosovo and throughout the Balkans.Today independent Kosovo, an entity that everybody vowed would never materialize, is governed by the party of then KLA leader and thug Hashim Thaci, who campaigned on the promise of a “Greater Albania” to extend across the entire peninusula.
It looks like that Kadaffy was right in his prediction that al-Qaeda will take power in Libya. The events remind what happened in Afghanistan and Iran 30 years ago. The Americans don’t learn a bit from their recent history.
but he sponsored them though, don’t tell me that AQMI wasn’t his vassals
When Jimmy Carter gave Iran to the islamic thugoracy be didn’t help just didn’t assist the Shah. Obama has turned four formerly semi-pro west to rabid west hating countries along with their arsenals….that we helped them get.
The damage that 0 has done will not be undone for more that a century.
Ever talked to any construction guy and not heard “I’m good at demolition” ?
Yeah, I’m pretty fucking good at taking shit apart. Putting it back together is a whole other story.
Obama, Sarkowsky, Hillary Clinton, NATO, John McCain all share in the blame for this evil. McCain should retire, remember he called the rebels heroes? He went to meet with them. What an old fool. The rest are fools too. We were better off with Quadaffi.
I was horrified when Obama threw Mubarak under the bus, he was our dictator. He kept the peace with Israel. Mubarak is probably dying, it made me sick to see them bring him to court in a hospital bed and a cage. I am a human being and do not think any person deserves that kind of public humiliation.
Except, of course, for terrorists that try to do The US harm, anything is fine with me, but it is done in private.
Why can’t we impeach him for this and Gun Runner? Is this going to be on the main stream news? I tend to doubt it.
I do fear what will happen to Israel. I read on Drudge yesterday that the US is trying to stop a vote that will give Palestinea state on September 20. Nice work O!
The obama doctrine = the political rise of muslim brotherhood
dont be distracted by his gutting our finances and civic polity
this is where we will see best the president is the ENEMY
Libya–the Mideast Cuba?
I was just a teenager back in 1959 but I can still recall the great hullabaloo, predominantly positive hulabaloo, over Fidel Castro, with the media referring to him as the “George Washington of Cuba” and exulting over their darling’s victory over the evil Fulgencio Batista, with teachers all a-bubble with excitement since Cuba was finally free.
Not only was Batista, El Hombre, a dictator but he had illegally seized power, had consorted with gamblers and known criminals, and suffered from the severe liability (to American leftists) of being friendly toward the United States.
Similar to the 2008 hype for Barack Hussein Obama, his successor, Fidel Castro was hailed a a savior, a man of the people who would bring joy and prosperity to his island nation. Fidel couldn’t quite walk on water as Obama could but he seemed to share most other Obama qualities and oratorical skills, sans teleprompters.
Not known at the time, with the able assistance of his fellow Marxist revolutionary, Che Guevara, Fidel would imprison and murder tens of thousands of his countrymen, come close to initiating World War III, and reduce Cuba to an economic basket case.
An added bonus for leftist Castrophiles is that, unlike Batista, Fidel hates America.
Although they may not smoke cigars because Islam and Allah frown on tobacco products, the Libyan rebels now on the verge of deposing Muammar Khadaffi and hopefully doing unto him what Iraqis did unto Saddam Hussein may very well turn out to be far worse for U.S. interests than both “mad dog of the Middle East” and the mad dog of the Caribbean.
Khadaffi was certainly not one of America’s best buddies and continued to support international Islamic terrorism yet he, allegedly, abandoned his efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction in 2003, after America massively visited mass destruction on Afghanistan and Hussein’s regime.
Nevertheless, “The devil you know . . . ” and Libyan rebel devils may soon make the United States yearn for the good, old Muammar days.
Our president, peace-lover that he is, refused to concede that our war in Libya was even a war.
The White House opted to describe the conflict as a “kinetic military action” while we kinetically led NATO forces against Khadaffi loyalists, launched hundreds of kinetic Tomahawk cruise missiles against Tripoli and loyalist strongholds, and gave Syria’s equally-treacherous Bashar al-Assad a free pass.
You see, war bad, kinetic military action good in Obamaese. As for Assad, the Obamians haven’t a clue what to do.
Like Fidel Castro who was deemed good contrasted with Fulgencio Batista, the Libyan rebels are likewise considered the good guys compared to Khadaffi. Like Castro, they are likely to bite America on its collective arse, only more severely. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=5353.)
Nice job, Obama. Get rid of a dictator who is at least manipulable and install a bunch of AQ crazies in power. And the first thing they did in power is to round up all the Blacks for execution.
The rebels are lead by CIA, as was the old regime. This clown who is now “taking command” is undoubtedly one of them.
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