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Police Inspector Praline (investigating health claims against a candy company): ”What’s this one, ‘Spring Surprise’?”

Milton (owner of Whizzo Chocolate Company): “Ah–now, that’s our specialty! It’s covered with darkest creamy chocolate. When you pop it in your mouth steel bolts spring out and plunge straight through both cheeks.”

–Monty Python’s Flying Circus  “Crunchy Frog” sketch

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In effect, the Middle East is serving up the “Arab Spring Surprise.” Western observers see the dark, creamy chocolate covering. But it’s the steel bolts through the cheeks they’re going to get.

Consider the statement of an Egyptian anchorman (Sayyed Ali) on a television station (al-Mehwar). He isn’t an important person nor is his channel a big one. But it’s a normative piece of contemporary Arab political rhetoric. Thank MEMRI for videoing and translating and give them a donation. He begins:

The Egypt of today is very different from the Egypt of before January 25.

The Western narrative sees Egypt, Yemen, or Libya as akin to Central Europe’s rebellions: inoculated against dictatorship by harsh experience; eager to smell liberty’s sweet air. In Central Europe, though, nationalism meant cultural revival and freedom from (real) Soviet domination; religion signified the ability to go to church without punishment.

For Egypt, though, authenticity, not liberty, is the key concept. In the mainstream view, it wasn’t so much that President Husni Mubarak’s regime stopped people from enjoying private property or free speech but that it stopped Egypt from being Egypt. After all, there’s no real chance of getting rich; no money for nice housing; no prospect for lots of jobs; no resources for a strong industrial base. The only hope is to be virtuous, display pride, and jealously guard one’s honor through nationalist assertion; morality through religious piety.

And thus the definition of the proper Egypt, held by 90 percent of the Sunni Muslim population, is that of a highly religious, highly nationalistic country that has a chip on its shoulder toward the West. We are talking about a revolution leading to more — not less — extremism and enforced conformity.

Western democratic revolutions were rebellions against tradition. In practice, the revolution in Egypt — like the 1979 Iranian revolution — is a revolution for tradition. It might be better called a counterrevolution against modernity. Sure, there are 10, 20, and perhaps even 30 percent of Egyptians who want a more pragmatic, moderate state. But that’s precisely the point: in a democratic vote they will lose.

Today, if you asked 86 million Egyptians if they would be willing to fight and be martyred for the sake of their honor, not one would hesitate….Egypt in its entirety…is ready to be martyred [to avenge] the blood of the Egyptian martyrs.

That’s rhetorical exaggeration, of course, and one shouldn’t believe literally that Egypt will launch a suicidal war, but this kind of talk will be standard as to what Egypt (and Arabs and Muslims) ought to do if they behaved properly. Even most of the “moderates” talk that way, like the April 6 Youth Movement leader (i.e., Facebook Kid), who explained that Egyptians cannot stand passively by while “genocide” is committed by Israel against the Palestinians next door. This kind of thing is already standard Palestinian rhetoric, both under Fatah and Hamas. The result is to make real peace impossible even if it doesn’t make war inevitable.

Egypt’s revolution is thus also against pragmatism, which is seen as immoral. That’s what the “evil” Mubarak did, and President Anwar al-Sadat did before him. Pragmatism dictates that if you cannot defeat foreigners, you must accommodate to them. Yet pragmatism — starting with an honest view of reality; doing what works; avoiding what doesn’t; not being mired down into an ideological preconception or romantic martyrdom fantasy overriding results and experience — is the very foundation of Western success.

Israel kicked up a fuss over an insignificant soldier called Gilad Shalit. Israel invaded Lebanon, killing and humiliating people, because of another insignificant Israeli soldier.

Actually, in the case of Lebanon it was three soldiers. Yet this kind of narrative misses a key point. The Israeli approach, like the American approach, derives from placing a high value on the individual. Freedom and democracy must begin with the exaltation of individual rights, though of course within a wider social context.

In contrast, the dominant Arab and Muslim-majority society narrative (which corresponds to traditional, pre-democratic Western ones) is the exaltation of the state and “race”: “Egyptian blood will never be cheap.” There is no focus on the specific soldiers killed (“Gilad Shalit” versus “Egyptian blood”) and certainly not on the context of events.

Evidence and facts are not important in that anti-pragmatic worldview. Gilad Shalit was kidnapped from Israeli soil by a Hamas operation aiming to grab a soldier. The three Israelis were patrolling in Israel along the border with Lebanon. They were kidnapped (and probably killed) by an operation deliberately designed to do so.

In the Egyptian case, the soldiers were killed accidentally because an Israeli helicopter pilot thought they were terrorists who had just attacked Israeli civilians and murdered seven people. And why did he think that? Because the terrorists had come from Egypt and were wearing Egyptian army uniforms.

This indifference to the difference between a regrettable but understandable mistake and deliberate acts of aggression and terrorism means that the West and the Arab world are speaking different languages, and not just in the obvious sense of that word.

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  1. 1. Marcel

    ‘Intransigence is portrayed as the highest virtue, the proper solution’

    This is the reality now in Egypt along with Hamas,Hizbollah,Palestinians,and the Arab/Islamic world in general.

    Why capitulate when Israel already plays the part so expertly ?

    And Israel’s recent history of always,always appeasing their insatiable appetite does not bode well for the immediate future.
    Very soon Israel will be backed into a corner and finally mouth the elusive words “NO” and maybe just say, “NEVER AGAIN” and really mean it this time (?).
    I hope.
    Soon Israel will have to dump their retreat expert,the surrender and capitulate Minister of Defeat and replace him with an Israeli who does not serve failed Washington’s agenda ahead of Israel’s interest’s.
    The other confused poodle Netanyahu awaits Washington’s orders on deployment of the Egyptian Army, now radicalized Muslims no longer restrained by Hosni on the southern border to balance out Hezbollah in the north.
    Most likely Israel will awaken to their dangerous quisling leadership after the damage has been done.

    • white tiger

      Across the middle east simultaneous revolts, led by islamic jihadists and supported by the USA and Nato, overthorow governments and install the lovers of Sharia. The MSM studiously ignores this widespread phenomenon,(lefties themselves), and POTUS, the AmericaHaterInChief, aids and abets the bad guys, illegally, unconstitutionally, and no one in power does zip about it!

      Once Iran has the bomb, has zapped Israel, and demands our capitulation, Oscumbo will try to surrender us to his moslem brothers. What, I ask, will we do then?
      Really? Then lets do it now, and save some tiny shred of responsibility.

  2. 2. Eric R.

    Barry,

    Sorry to go OT again, but I see that your primary employer finally sacked Larry Derfner. Even your new liberal editor could only stand so many lost subscriptions.

    However, if he keeps up with the new line of editorial thinking, he’s going to lose even more.

    He might start by retracting his apology to Norway.

  3. 3. Oren

    Barack Hussein Obama? Is that really necessary? Otherwise, an excellent article, as always.

    • Last time I heard that is his name,Oren
      This must be the ‘boot licker’ Israel sent to Washington.
      Notice how well he does his job and whose interests he serve first and foremost.
      The Plantation Master must be quite pleased.

    • Menachem Ben Yakov

      ” Barack Hussein Obama? Is that really necessary? ”

      Did you ask the same question when he took the oath of office using that name?

    • Mark v

      Yes, it was.

      It was an appropriate reminder of this person’s sympathies. Those sympathies drive public policy.

      No, he’s probably not a closet Muslim. He’s a Marxist, and Marxist & Muslim don’t really go well together.

      But that doesn’t mean he’s unbiased in the Islam vs. Israel war. His bias is palpable, and has an origin.

      Of course, it could be argued that Marxists are generally opposed to Israel, and that’s true, too.

      • The left has made common cause with the Muslims. The leftists figure that after they have used the Muslims to destroy our current system, they can discard the Muslims and then take over. The Muslims are thinking the same about the left.

        • Mark v

          Yep. It would be comical to watch it, if it were not so serious.

      • white tiger

        Mark V, in some asian countries, the Philippines, eg., commies and jihadists often team up to rob, rape, kidnap, torture, kill and burn.Both groups entertain philosophies of hate, perversion, greed, false pride, and delight in inflicting harm on innocents. The jihadists are essentially either insane or atheists as no sane person believes the Koran to be an holy work. Both groups
        hate good and love evil in general, and Christianity in particular. Both groups manipulate the Have-nots into attacking the Haves with class and racial warfare.
        And the inventor of both ugly belief systems is Satan, so they serve the same master.

  4. 4. mojo

    Actually, I think the full verse is more apropos:

    Come senators, congressmen
    Please heed the call
    Don’t stand in the doorway
    Don’t block up the hall
    For he that gets hurt
    Will be he who has stalled
    There’s a battle outside
    And it is ragin’
    It’ll soon shake your windows
    And rattle your walls
    For the times they are a-changin’.

  5. 5. GRUP

    From the oeuvre of Beebe Lake’s [in]famous shoreholder also comes : “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”. GBUSA

  6. 6. Homer

    Several corrections:
    Cust lead operation started a year and a half after Gilad Shalit has been kidnapped, and two more Israeli soldiers, Hanan Barak and Pavel Slotsker.The two are simply not connected.

    The West and the Arabs not talking different languages, they hold different values. This IS, in my opinion, the main issue.

    • white tiger

      The main issue, Homer, is that the moslems are commanded, by their Koran, to enslave or kill all non-moslems. Some of we un-moslems do not choose to be either enslaved or killed by anybody, ragheads included. Put those two facts together, Homer, and language is not the real problem. Islamic monsters have been murdering all over the world for many years and few of us see that we must either stamp out Islam or be destroyed.
      Islam is not really a religion. It is an international criminal conspiracy to control the world, masquerading as worship of the babylonian moongod.
      Its leaders epitomize its qualitative virtue by endorsing murder, theft, slavery, mayhem, injustice, sex perversion, slander, libel, and any other evil of which one can conceive.Its founder married, among many others, a six year old girl. He led murderous groups of robbers and slavers on many occasions. No one really supposes that he did so in the service of God. Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran wrote a book in which he advocated child molesting and sex with pigeons.
      We have no common ground with such. The Iranian nuclear facilities need to be Hiroshimaed.

      • Avitar

        The Babylonian Moongod, Allah was the patron god of thieves and liars and one of the Muslim holydays is based on a small band of thieves attacking in the night and killing a trade caravan of two hundred.
        It has been clear since the beginning of the United States that the State Department does not understand Islam. They got us into the war with the Barbary pirates (Muslims from Tunisia and Libya) and wanted to give Florida back to the Muslim Pirates when Andrew Jackson kicked the pirates out and took the state.
        There will be a war with Islam and the longer it is put off the bigger it will be.

  7. 7. Delia

    Multiculturalism can’t work. EVER. The forces of multi-culti spin out of control and destroy everything its path in the name of ‘equality’.

    These chilling, reality-based, recently released books should be required reading for all patriots of the USA:

    Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America from Post-Apartheid South Africa

    The Perils of Diversity: Immigration and Human Nature

    Here is an excellent book review of “Perils of Diversity” by by Dr. Ole Jørgen Anfindsen:

    The Perils of Diversity (review)

    There are so many warning bells going off from so many places and people have their heads in the the proverbial sand of “ignorance is bliss” which is our ultimate folly as a nation.

    If enough people don’t wake up, we only have ourselves to blame for the fall of America in the end…and that is a very tragic thought to think.

  8. 8. Ceteris Paribus

    So, when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, was that reprisal or revenge? I say neither. I say it was war. That is what Israel and the US will ultimately need to figure out.

  9. “Kill the infidel”……….I don’t know, which part of that is hard to grasp. It really doesn’t matter who’s in control over there. That is their claim, that is their focus, that is their STATED goal.

    We my friends are the infidel.

    • Ceteris Paribus

      Yep!

    • ‘We my friends are the infidel’
      Correction;
      We (US,EU,Israel)are the infidel assisting the murderers for allah in our own suicide when we know full well their stated objective.
      Who said mankind was evolving ?
      The fact is, Israel proves mankind is devolving, getting dumber by the day.

      • Hollywood Hick

        …and you have gotten your azzes kicked every time you get all arab-macho and try to invade Israel. You might want to come up with a new strategy. Here’s one: raise your family, go to work, marry-off your daughters, watch your grandchildren grow up. That might work.

        • Mark v

          Hick? It looks like you need some reading comprehension classes.

  10. 10. Menachem Ben Yakov

    Barry, excellent article as usual.

    I think the disconnect between popular opinion and reality, regarding Islam, is no better illustrated than by the mistranslation of ” allah hu akbar “.

    Commonly translated as , ” G-d is great.”, its correct translation is, ” allah is the greatest “.

    A small point that speaks volumes.

    • Mark v

      True, sir. It’s a fine point of distinction which is lost on most people, but is not merely important, but is, in fact, everything.

  11. 11. jb

    I looks to me like the billions of US tax dollars sent to these middle-east hell holes is a total waste. When is the US Government going to wise up to the fact that you can’t buy friends or respect? For the past 30 years the US has given an average of 2 billion dollars annually to Egypt, most of which has gone to the Egyptian military, building up a force our allies in Israel will eventually have to fight. Can anyone spell “irony”?

    • Can anyone spell “irony”?
      This ain’t stupidity or irony !
      Can anyone spell “evil” ?

      For the blind ,What arrogant,meddling nation which seeks to carve up Israel and Jerusalem and create a 23rd Islamic terrorist state under their Road Map has been restraining Israel and kept them from defeating Hizbollah on 2006 and Hamas in 2009 ?
      I know the Kool-aid cult will never answer this question.

      • Raymond in DC

        It was not the US that kept Israel from defeating Hizbullah in 2006 but Israel’s own leaders. It was Olmert who earlier had claimed his country was “tired of winning, tired of defeating our enemies”. It was the Defense Ministry and IDF chief who had so focused on dealing with Palestinian terror they’d failed to prepare or train to fight a broader war. Bush actually *wanted* Israel to finish off Hizbullah once and for all, even (as I’ve read) encouraging Israel to strike at Syrian staging sites. That’s why he gave Israel the time to finish the job. But Olmert publicly announced that Syria was not a target, and hesitated launching a land offensive until days before a ceasefire (negotiated by the equally feckless Livni) went into effect. Israel’s status as a “reliable ally” took a major hit from that war.

        I’d long argued that a major reason this particular conflict remains unresolved is that the Jews were never allowed to win and the Arabs were never allowed to lose. But in the Lebanon war of 2006, Israel showed it was not prepared for, and not pursuing, victory. Its attitude (and readiness for war) recovered somewhat by the end of 2008, as shown in their Cast Lead performance. But Olmert and Livni were still in charge, and Obama was about to take office. So restraint was still the operative principle.

  12. 12. RobertMN

    “Down with America! Kill the Jews! Islam (or militant nationalism) is the solution!”

    Isn’t this what Barry’s really been saying all along?

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    • white tiger

      And, Airhead, I would tell y’all where to go, but you ain’t half smart enough to even head in the right direction.

  14. 14. Harry the Horrible

    What we’re seeing is the birth pangs of the Caliphate. Al Qaeda has won.

    The original goal of Al Qaeda was to provoke an American response that would cause Muslims to rise up and overthrow their secular leaders and replace them Islamic States.

    For a while, it looked like they had failed. The US bought an army and overthrew the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, without having to start a war with Pakistan.

    Unfortunately, due incompetence (or even treason) and misplaced “humanitarian ideals” we allowed Al Qaeda and its allies to regroup and take hold in other majority Islamic nations. They have undermined our allies (such as they were…) and now we get to see which branch of the Caliphate is going to take over in each county. Al Qaeda in Libya, the Muslim Brotherhood is Egypt, and so on…

    The good news is that the budding Caliphate is still divided and if there is one thing Moslems are good at, it is killing other Moslems over irrelevant differences of opinion. We should encourage this as much as possible. If we can send Egypt against Libya (Egypt will probably win) or perform other such foreign policy Judo, we can cause leave the Caliphate weak, stunted and deformed. If leave them to unite on their own, we could be in a world of hurt!

    • Tomko

      The other fly in the ointment with the creation of a Utopian caliphate is the current establishment of strongholds for Sunnis and Shiites. You have Iran which is pure Shiite then Iraq with a majority Shia population as well as north eastern Saudi, Bahrain, and of coarse Hezbollah in Lebanon. Then Syria is a mixed bag; the government is supported by Iran but the people are majority Sunni. Every thing west is predominantly Sunni. There is definitely a power struggle between these two sects with Iran and Saudi being the masters. They even hate each other because of the Persian, Arab dynamic.

      This scenario is very unpredictable and could possibly be manipulated should it become necessary. It’s possible this whole region could explode with Israel just sitting back a watching.

  15. 15. StephenDvd

    > Or, as Robert Zimmerman of Hibbing, Minnesota, once put it:

    Hurray for the Zimmerman! Amazing how most of what he wrote in the ’60s is still, and will always be appropriate and applicable.

    (the article was spot on as well. Great ending though!)

  16. I’m coming to believe this is all good, in the sense that things need to come to a head so liberal Americans wake up to the threat that is Islam. Regrettably, it is going to take tens of thousands, or more, dead Americans for the wake up bell to finally ring. My bet is that it’s going to be a dirty nuke on Wall Street or in front of the White House.

    • Tomko

      You know…I’m not even sure that would wake them up. Liberals are more fanatical about their beliefs than most religious fanatics. They simply refuse to believe that evil exists. Even though my family, friends, and neighbors are dead I’m sure we can talk this out because we are all humans. Look at Sean Penn schmoozing with Hugo while every one in Venezuela thinks he’s an idiot, but he’s totally oblivious. I wish you were right, but I doubt it.

  17. 17. wayne

    Mr. Rubin, you misunderstand what Obama hears completely. You assume that he hears “democracy and freedom” where the reality is “death to America, death to Israel”.

    When Obama hears “death to America, death to Israel “IT MEANS FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY”.

    In the Obama world, there will only be true freedom when America (especially the White, Christian, Middle Class part) and Israel are dead.

    Only when you see Obama’s real belief in this light does his actions around the world make sense.

  18. 18. Delia

    Well, dernit! My post is stuck in moderation-loop because of clickable links.

    7. Delia
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Multiculturalism can’t work. EVER. The forces of multi-culti spin out of control and destroy everything its path in the name of ‘equality’.

    These chilling, reality-based, recently released books should be required reading for all patriots of the USA:

    Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America from Post-Apartheid South Africa

    The Perils of Diversity: Immigration and Human Nature

    Here is an excellent book review of “Perils of Diversity” by by Dr. Ole Jørgen Anfindsen:

    The Perils of Diversity (review)

    There are so many warning bells going off from so many places and people have their heads in the the proverbial sand of “ignorance is bliss” which is our ultimate folly as a nation.

    If enough people don’t wake up, we only have ourselves to blame for the fall of America in the end…and that is a very tragic thought to think.

    If you google the aforementioned books and the review by Jørgen Anfindsen those corresponding links should [hopefully] be easily found…

  19. Excellent analysis.

    The mood is very like Europe in the 1930s. In the end, only a terrible, ignominious, crushing defeat will change their attitude. And then again, they’re Arab-Muslims, so maybe not. But I say: let’s kick their butts to kingdom come and find out if there is any sense in their heads or are they really that dumb.

    I’m taking bets, if anyone is interested.

    • white tiger

      One of my ancestors was Ha Cohen and I am a Christian minister. For those who hate us Jews, I want to remind y’all that our Lord, Jesus Christ is a Jew; and by choice. If one chooses to hate Jews, he therefore chooses to hate Jesus Christ. On Judgment Day that will turn out to be a very poor decision!
      Jesus Christ claimed to be Divine, and to hold all authority in Heaven and on Earth. He said that no one could come to the Father except through Him.
      In Acts Two one can just how that is done; in contradiction to the standard(false) denominational policy. Read, enjoy, profit!

    • Avitar

      Are you offering odds? I would like a trifecta on weither more mus;ims have souls or dogs. My money is on the more dogs going to heaven then Muslims.

  20. 20. don

    In other words, the Marshal Plan worked in Europe (after an extended episode of “total war” involving nuclear weapons for the first time), because the surviving populations were already “western” while similar aid programs for the non-western Arab world amounts to pissing in the desert and expecting cornucopia. (The defeated Japanese elites, like the Turks, wanted to be western and possess and produce its technology, unlike the Arabs) So, either go Roman with the barbarians or forget about it and continue to waste money pandering to Muslim “moderates.” I’m reminded of Marx looking upon the prospect with horror and fearing a nightmare when someone, I forget who, suggested having a “communist” revolution in Russia. At least Marx recognized that labor is not a universal blank slate devoid of its ethnic content, unlike modern foreign relations specialists and mindless purveyors of globalization at any price in hopes of bribing the theocrats.

  21. 21. Linda Rivera

    Obama and other U.S. leaders are NOT naive! The U.S. worked behind the scenes to oust U.S. ally, moderate Mubarak, and bring to power their preferred favorites, the Muslim Brotherhood. Destabilizing Egypt and the Middle East. Obama made a special point of inviting the Muslim Brotherhood to his Cairo speech.

    Since Mubarak’s ouster, Muslim attacks on Egypt’s Christians, their churches, homes and properties have increased enormously and so has the kidnappings of Christian female children by Muslim males. It goes on all the times. THERE IS NO ONE TO HELP THE CHRISTIANS.

  22. 22. Josh Scholar

    There is a lot bad in Egypt and yet, and yet, Cairo’s “million man march” against Israel only managed to garner a couple hundred Islamists..

    And pro-American feeling is running extremely high in Libya.

    Michael Totten responded to this by writing:
    “This reminds me of something Lebanese political analyst and publisher of NOW Lebanon Eli Khoury said to me years ago: ‘When political theories fail in the Middle East they fail hard. People who believed in them have a tendency to support a total opposite point of view later.’”

    I asked him “Why don’t the Palestinians think their ideology has failed?”

    And he answered: “Probably because so much of the world is still enabling them.”

    But this doesn’t really fit your model does it? Are Egyptians going to hold onto Jew hatred just because European kids like to demonize Jews? Are they going to do it just because Iranian and Saudi TV is full of stupid incitement? Is Egyptian pride based on agreeing with outsiders or on hating them?

    At some point don’t they just get sick of Palestinians and the whole mess?

    Perhaps the bigotry that undergirds a culture with the values of Islamist supremicism is very vulnerable to each new and each sane idea. Perhaps it can’t possibly withstand the images and examples that surround Egypt now. Older people can’t learn new things very easily or quickly.. But my (admittedly unsupported) theory is this:
    The Muslim Brotherhood is a subject of ridicule.. if they can’t gain enough terror over the country to frighten everyone into submission they will become more and more irrelevant. And if they do apply Islamist terror to their country, they will be ever more hated, and we can expect another revolution against them later.

    • ella

      Perhaps you are right.
      However that march was announced near the end of Ramadan.– Eid ul Fitr was on 31 of August. I think that majority of Egyptians were just exhausted. Even the angry ones. So I think the number of people in any kind protest would have been very small.
      And I am certain that Muslim Brotherhood is not a subject of ridicule. Some salafi organizations might be, but not them.

  23. 23. Josh Scholar

    Also I think Barry Rubin is missing the boat.

    I think poverty and a looming future promising unprecedented starvation and disaster is impinging on people’s consciousness.

    People will face reality once there is no other choice. People will change their culture when they have to. And those who are plugged into reality are starting to realize that they have to.

    “We have to change or starve” is a more powerful argument than “JEWS AND INFIDELS, JEEEEEWWWWWS!”

    • Mark v

      “We have to change or starve” is a more powerful argument than “JEWS AND INFIDELS, JEEEEEWWWWWS!”

      No, it’s not.

  24. 24. Iben Hadd

    At least a dozen books written about the Middle East in the last year collectively do not explain the situation as well as the article.
    A supporter of Israel since it’s founding I have now changed my mind.

    Israel should evacuate the Middle East and leave it to the rest of the inhabitants for four or five years. At that point they may return capture the dozen remaining residents, try them for murder and live happily ever after.

  25. 25. Josh Scholar

    Paul Berman’s latest article is relevant to the topic of this thread.

    http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/magazine/94145/september-11-do-ideas-matter?passthru=NmU2ZDE4YTQxNGYwNGRjZGIxYWFjMzA1NTJkMWQ3MGQ

    It argues that ideas have shown amazing power in the last century to create huge movement and to, just as spectacularly, wipe them off the map. He points out parallels between communism and Islamism. It has similar strengths, but also similar vulnerabilities to be destroyed by criticism from within.

    He seems to be saying that in the last 10 years we can see tiny, still feeble sprigs of liberal thought growing in the middle east, and they’ve already destroyed the balance of power. He admits that the situation is still dismal and that if there’s an election in Egypt the wrong people will likely be elected. But he also points out that things have changed so much in 10 years, this new force’s appearance so unprecedented that one can easily imagine that the future will be nothing like the past.

  26. 26. Rich Rostrom

    You’ve reported what Sayyed Ali said, and it’s disturbing.

    But how much traction do these sentiments actually have in Egypt?

    Your colleague Michael Totten noted. per a report in Haaretz, that the “million-man-march” against Israel in Cairo was a complete flop, with only a few hundred demonstrators showing up.

  27. 27. Gork

    With all the excitement about “democracy” emerging from the Arab Spring, perhaps it is time to remind everyone that Hamas was democratically elected by the people of Gaza. Just because they get to power by democratic means, doesn’t imply that their goals will be reasonable, peaceful, or even comprehensible by us.

    The problem with democracy is that people usually get what they ask for. In the Arab Spring, they probably are going to hold truly democratic elections. And they will get exactly who they want to lead their countries. Just ask the people in Gaza.

  28. 28. jmz

    there are alot of us listening, but the problem is we still think we can talk and buy our way out. we need to admit that we MUST destroy these people and take everything. people think im being mean, but if given the oportunity they WILL do it to us and are activly fighting for that end now. its time to end this foolish notion of toleration of an enemy who only wants our death. this is war, and if we dont stop pretending that all is fair and in war you kill, destroy and take over then we are all doomed. there are no rules and rules are for the enemy and politicians who never set foot on the battle field!

  29. 29. Chuck

    The looming disaster of the “Arab Spring” should come as a surprise to no one who has paid any attention at all to Islam over the last ten years.

    Democracy simply means that the majority chooses. What they choose matters far more than the mere fact that they are making a popular choice.

    Considering that Muslims have, since the days of their prophet, known nothing but “kill the infidel” and that they must dominate the world, and more recently “Death to America” and “Death to Israel”, it should not be surprising that the choices they make are not the choices that we in the West would like to see.

  30. 30. Agav8r

    My concern is that while Israel has been able to focus internally and to the east and northeast for the past 30 years, now they’ve got to split their focus to the south. The IDF isn’t organized, trained or equipped for this and I see it as a significant vulnerability. Their trust of Egypt may be their downfall.

    Last February, Hamas and Lebanese Hezballah formally agreed to disagree against their common enemy, the ‘little satan’. In May (Nebkah Day), Israel was attacked on three sides, from the north (Lebanon), from the northeast (Syria) and from the south (Gaza). They did it again in June on the anniversary of the 1967 war. I think they were testing the waters and prepping for something larger.

    Imagine if you will a Muslim Brotherhood-backed Hamas with finance and military support from a Muslim Brotherhood-backed Egypt. That would put Hamas on par with Iranian-backed Lebanese Hezballah. Israel, surrounded by credible proxies, ready to retake Jerusalem… just in time for the Palestinian push for statehood with the UN.

  31. It is going to just get worse for the people of the Middle East.
    http://msmignoresit.blogspot.com/2011/09/week-in-review-september-2-syrai-iran.html

  32. 32. white tiger

    The TraitorInChief has probably already threatend to zap Israel if they nuke Iran- but they will soon have to do so or perish.Lets hope we can elect a sane POTUS who will reverse the abomination of obamaperversion foisted upon us since the Kenyan Kid took over

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