No, It’s Not the Same Sharia Provision as in the Old Egyptian Constitution
Finally, there is Article 81, which follows the disingenuous scheme Islamists have previously adopted in the Declaration of Human Rights in Islam (also known as the “Cairo Declaration“) and in the constitutions of such other new “Islamic democracies” as Afghanistan and Iraq. That is, after a few soothing lines about how individual “rights and freedoms” are sacrosanct, not “subject to disruption or detraction,” the constitution goes on to say: “Such rights and freedoms shall be practiced in a manner not conflicting with the principles pertaining to State and society included in Part I of this Constitution.” And what are those “principles” in the “State and Society” section of the draft? Why, they are the ones that say principles of sharia govern all legislation — again, “principles” as construed by al-Azhar, using the ancient interpretations of the four classical Sunni schools of jurisprudence. Bottom line: Egyptians have only the rights and freedoms permitted under sharia.
When all the verbal camouflage is swept away, the new constitution delivers on what Mohamed Morsi, during the Egyptian presidential campaign, promised he would deliver: “The sharia, then the sharia, and finally the sharia.” As the now-dictator elaborated at the rally on the eve of the election (in a speech translated by MEMRI):
This nation will enjoy blessing and revival only through the Islamic sharia. I take an oath before Allah and before you all that regardless of the actual text [of the constitution]. … Allah willing, the text will truly reflect [the sharia], as will be agreed upon by the Egyptian people, by the Islamic scholars, and by legal and constitutional experts…. Rejoice and rest assured that this people will not accept a text that does not reflect the true meaning of the Islamic sharia as a text to be implemented and as a platform. The people will not agree to anything else.
The apologists who don’t see that as a change from Mubarak days are the same ones telling you that Morsi is a “moderate” and that the Brotherhood is a “largely secular” organization.
Muslim Bro’hood are moderate… and there’s bridge for sale in Brooklyn, too.
Of course it’s not the same Shariah as under Mubarak, for the Islamists were kept at bay under his rule!! While Shariah Law is itself lethal to any form of real democracy, it also matters who is at the helm.
So, the ordering of Mubarak – GO NOW – was not for nothing. It was to usher in authentic Shariah Law under the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood Mafia & assorted Islamist offshoots, including Al Qaeda and Salafist movements.
http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/08/13/coming-full-circle-the-planned-empowerment-of-the-muslim-mafia-aka-brotherhood-via-egypt-most-populous-arab-country-under-the-guidance-of-barack-hussein-obama-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
The apologists of the Brotherhood are partly ignorant, but many are malignant in their anti-western intent. They are VERY dangerous…every bit as much as their Islamist cohorts.
Forewarned is forearmed.
The apologists of the Brotherhood are partly ignorant, but many are malignant in their anti-western intent. They are VERY dangerous…every bit as much as their Islamist cohorts
Is Obama naive, or are we naive about him?
Nearly all evidence points to the second conclusion, Terry. Obama demanded that the Brotherhood’s reps be invited to his first foreign speech in his first trip overseas. Mubarak was enraged, and did not attend. That Obama went ahead with his speech also shows his utter self-rightenousness. Of course, he knew that Mubarak was attached to the ‘bad’ American administrations, those that practiced colonialism in his eyes; he knew as well that Mubarak was a de-facto ally or non-enemy of Israel.
From all indications, this Administration considers the Islamist government of Turkey its primary US ally. Nor have they made any noises that their support of the Brotherhood might have been an error, Benghazi notwithstanding. Qaddhafi, cruel as he was, relatively functioned as a braking force against Islamic/al Qaeda control of Libya. Whatever Libya is now, it is certainly likely to fall into the ‘Islamist’ orbit, especially as powerful neighbor Egypt continues in that direction.
Obama has made no noise about Morsi’s choices except to not stop State from evincing ‘concern’ – did anyone hear them? Obama’s first phone call as President to a foreign leader was to Mahmoud Abbas. He treated Netanyahu like a house servant at the White House. The symbolism was overt.
It’s my opinion that the only reason that the US has not overtly helped the Islamic forces in Syria more overtly is lack of resources, militarily and otherwise, and fear of confrontation with both Russia and Iran. Obama has no real animosity towards either government, and even appears somewhat pro-Putin.
This is the leader of the United States and the free world. This is the man that the American people re-elected instead of choosing a moderate free-market capitalist whose foreign policy attitudes would not have been guided either by revulsion over past ‘colonialism’ or any real affection for Islam and the Third World.
Seen in Egypt yesterday…
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…you might as well been speaking different languages since Abbas refused to answer any of Hannity’s questions directly. His comments that the current acts of violence and sexual assault on women protesters were overblown because such violence occurs regularly, and therefore cannot be attributed to the Muslim Brotherhood supports, made me sick. I guess he spends his free time trying to hide the sun with his finger. “debating” him is a waste of time.
To be fair to Barzegar, even his opponent on TV had to admit that the majority of the people of Egypt WANT hardline Shari’ah.
That of course DOESN’T mean that it’s a good thing for people, but whether it’s a good thing or not doesn’t stop them from wanting it.
But when you’re a warlike people, of course you’ll support any sort of “Divine Law” that says it’s perfectly fine to murder and maim others.
I disagree the bulk if the muslims want Sharia not the bulk of all Egyptians.
The protesters are being attacked be muslim gangs. Wake up wold muslims are against freedom, fight back now or FREEDOM will be lost from this world. I normally tout moderation but this is just to much islam must change or FREEDOM will DIE, FIGHT BACK NOW! and FIGHT BACK HARD! with EVERY weapon at OUR command.
We are Muslims. It is natural that our societies should be based on the Sharia — Allah’s Law. The vast overwhelming majority of Egyptians yearn to live under the Sharia. Al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun & Ḥizb Al‑Nur must not delay any longer. They must immediately apply the Sharia in Egypt — which will rectify all of their problems.
The solution for all crises is the observance of the Divine Law, namely the Sharia. We call to implement the Sharia in Egypt, in Syria, in Palestine … and throughout the entire world. The Sharia is the perfect system for humanity. We invite all Crusaders, Zionists and Infidels to submit to the light of Islam. Save yourself and your children of the painful punishment of the hereafter and grant yourself eternal life in paradise. There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.
All humans must follow the Law of Allah — or else they will burn in hell for all eternity. The Sharia is the right path for all humanity. Allah’s Laws are for all nations, all countries and for all time. All other laws are man-made and must submit to the Will of Allah. The Sharia is the future of humanity. Allahu Akbar!
Keep your Moon-Cult in the sand lots you call home. Sharia law is an excuse for the unwashed, uneducated cretins to abuse their women and sodomize their male children.
Perhaps Mr. Akbar will do just fine with his shari’ah coupled with a complete and total absence of Western financial subsidy. Surely there are many of his co-religionists who will gladly fork over some of their hard-earned oil profits to aid a brother and subsidize his pursuits… like it’s not happening in certain favored areas already.
Here in the West we could take those billions wasted on ingrates and put them into new and surprising ways of eliminating enemies.
It’s a win/win, don’t you think?
The reason we have not cut off aid to our Muslim enemies is that Washington DC is swarming with treasonous Muslim Brotherhood moles.
Starting at the top.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Everywhere it goes, Islam brings a foretaste of Hell on earth.
“which will rectify all of their problems”
I think you misspelled intensify, it’s not spelled r-e-c-t-i-f-y
Gosh…the ‘London Islamist’ is doing precisely what is expected by
all radical Muslims. He is giving us invitation to the
21st Century Crusades, and when we get to the tipping point, we’ll probably
take him up on his offer, and once again be forced to rein in the
destructive, anti-Christian Muslim terrorists around the world.
Syria will soon be an Islamic state ruled by the Sharia, Insha’Allah.
Our Holy Warriors will overthrow Assad and his criminal regime of despicable Alawites. Alawites are filthy infidels. They are worse than Jews or Christians, and many other polytheists. We will defeat them, Insha’Allah. We will rise up and overthrow this illegitimate infidel regime. We will implement the Sharia in Syria. Syria will be an Islamic state, Insha’Allah.
Our brothers in Syria, with the help of the Mujahideen will send the Christians to Beirut and Alawites to the wall.
What, no beheadings? No stonings? No crucifixions? No murders of any women who disobeys their husband? No mass goat rapes? You are not following the “true” Sharia. You will suffer a great misfortune in this life and eternal punishment thereafter, Inshallah.
Shariah courts may be fine for governing personal affairs like divorce and civil disputes between Muslims but it is a total disaster in governing a nation state. Show me an example of ‘democratic’ Sharia. Show me a state or region that has prospered with Sharia (and YES IT HAS BEEN TRIED THROUGH THE YEARS DOZENS OF TIMES). The Caliphate is the only example you Muslims can come up with of an actually successful and prosperous Muslim nation- at some point you people are going to have to actually accomplish something (memorizing the Koran and murdering your daughters notwithstanding) rather than relying on 1,000 year old accomplishments that owe MUCH more to fierce and wise leaders than to ANY Sharia principles. You people are so full of crap it is incredible diarrhea does not spray out of your pie holes every time you make a point.
In the song “Love and Marriage” one of Frank Sinatra’s big hits, there is a line that goes “you can’t have one without the other.” That’s Islam and sharia, you can’t have one without the other. I tried to rewrite some of the lyrics from Frank’s song but the best I could come up with is “just ask the local mullah’s, you can’t have one without the other.”
Allah Willing, Egypt & Syria will soon be freed from polytheism and idolatry. Let us live in an Islamic state, in which there is no idolatry, and there is only “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”
We don’t want your filthy decadent Western culture coming into our societies, and poisoning the minds of our children. We don’t want to have anything to do with your sick poisonous culture — the sexual immorality, pornography, prostitution, filthy movies, homosexual marriage, drugs, alcohol, gambling, consumerism, materialism, hedonism… We want nothing to do with your decadent culture.
What sort of liberties are offered by the western secular system? The liberty of disintegrating the family? The liberty of being homosexual? The western capitalist system & democracy has been discredited. It has been shown to be a complete and utter failure. Your decadent infidel nations are all bankrupt and dying. It is time for Islam to rule. Communism, socialism, capitalism, democracy… have all failed. We have the answer. We have a better way of life. We have the right solution for all crises and this is the observance of the Divine Law, namely the Sharia. The Sharia is the perfect system for humanity. Allahu Akbar!
Dear Mr Islamist: re: “We don’t want to have anything to do with your sick poisonous culture — the sexual immorality, pornography, prostitution, filthy movies, homosexual marriage, drugs, alcohol, gambling, consumerism, materialism, hedonism… ”
There are plenty of folks here who do not want the above either, but want tyranny less. The difference in our worldviews rests on the difference between the reactions of Jesus and Mohammed when presented with the temptation of worldly power. Jesus rejected that power, Mohammed escaped to Medina and assumed it.
We have been on a collision course ever since and the reckoning approaches.
Aloha Snackbar to you, too.
“We want nothing to do with your decadent culture”
So why then are you on the internet, Scooter? Hmm, and probably the computer you’re using came from somewhere in the West, probably also includes components designed, if not, also manufactured in Israel. Speaking English? Why? It’s a Western language. Got health care, your doctor was probably trained in the West and uses Western practices. I could go on and on, but why bother? If it’s so horrible, decadent, and against allah’s will, then give it all up!
Except for I-Phones (:
–and of course EVERY SINGLE INVENTION you enjoy jerk. Did your failed system create telephone, computer, electricity, hot water, MRI’s, CT Scanners, quinine, antibiotics, deodorant?
You forget, they invented the buzzing prayer rug and the suicide vest. Match that Roman dog!
Well, folks, there you have it from “Islamist in Londonistan…” That is a declaration of war. One has to wonder if it isn’t time to begin excising this cancer of the soul from the midst of humanity.
Not likely. They’re dirtier fighters, they’re better killers.
They’ve long since realized that rape, murder, and dismemberment are the best ways to force people to submit to their cause, and they’re all too willing to use them. Not to mention their love of using children as human shields and human bombs.
Obviously, we’ll never do that, so they’re going to acheive earthly victory.
It took a well organized group of Moon Worshipers 7 hours to overwhelm 4 Americans. Hardly call that a rousing success. Theirs is the power of the mob which only allows them to attack women and children with impunity. Lacking that, they are forced to don bomb belts in their quest. Too bad all the virgins they’ll get will be previous bombers buggering each other to hell.
Doesn’t matter – Kitsune is correct. They will win the earthly battle because the West has already conceeded the fight.
“Not likely. They’re dirtier fighters, they’re better killers.”
I suggest you look at two pictures:
Hiroshima, before.
Hiroshima, after.
Iran…Our “beloved” Muslim in Chief thinks a Nuclear Iran will be just dandy.
Iran will manage to launch just enough nukes to piss us off so badly that we put this problem to rest for about a thousand years.
The amount of killing required to accomplish the excision is so great that it will never be acknowledged as such and will not be attempted except in extremis.
Said extremis will arrive in the not-too-distant future.
“Muslim apologists believe that Morsi is a “moderate” and that the Muslim Brotherhood is a “largely secular” organization.”
The word “believe” catches in my throat as I try to swallow that phrase.
One thing I try to explain to my children is that man is not a rational animal, man is an animal that rationalizes (“man” taken on the whole, that is not to say that there are no rational men, just so damn few that they hardly count).
Rationally accepting the facts about the Muslim Brotherhood and Islam in general would demolish the worldview of apologists, so they just deny it. I know that qualifies broadly as “belief”, but it also mangles the word beyond recognition.
Thr road a totalitarian state travels through different byways- any ISM (like in falangism,nazism,fascism) or doctrinism (true socialism or communism) now under religious umbrella for fundamentalism,zealotry,jihadism- in Egypt today Pres.Morsy rules by Degrees- court’s oversight adhering to laws,constitutionality ,challenge are abolished, dissent and dissenters are being prosecuted for espionage,sedition,incitement against State/Morsy- blashemy laws where American Citizens were sentenced to death in absentia (the Egyptian-American Copt YouTube video clip person and the pastor Terry Jones- questions linger where is ACLU in defending their Freedom of Expression?). Morsy’s State Prosecutor General referred ElBaredei,Sahlabi,Amr Moussa and Judges Club head Ahmed Al-Zend for State Security for prosecution for espionage,sedition,incitement (and of course- as Agents of Zion to boot)Obama/his adm. invited Morsy to Washington,D.C. and Morsy will be in White House as Obama’s guest on December 17,2012- very rewarding to do away with basic freedoms,the Supreme Constututional Court (MB threatened the judges and workers at SCC with assassinations,burnings and the end of the Court), Are US news media askinbg any questions from Obama adm- and is there a press conference Morsy/Obama to ask pertinent questions- very pertinent indeed.
It is the will of allah that ALL 90 MILLION of the residents of Egypt starve to death. I say we QUIT SENDING THEM MONEY and let allah’s will be done!
I am a liberal and i never presumed Morsi to be a “moderate.” He is as moderate as a raving loonie.
Maybe you should qualify your argument: idiotic lefties believed/believe Morsi is a moderate.
The new constitution appoints al-Azhar University, the ancient seat of Sunni learning, as the final arbiter of what sharia means. This thrusts the scholars of that institution (whose alumni include Omar Abdel Rahman, the Blind Sheik of World Trade Center bombing fame, and Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Muslim Brotherhood’s top jurist)…
You need a final arbiter of what sharia “means”? It means whatever the current crop of Islamists in charge wants it to mean, which, to a normal human being, most often translates to a totalitarian structure of cruelty and oppression.
Springing Rahman from his American jail is a big big deal with Egypt’s Brotherhood. I could imagine a certain US President going along with that, in the spirit of his obsession with “getting along” with them.
“Top jurist” Qaradawi has spewed real filth towards the Jewish people, among other despicable traits. It’s hard to imagine that anything of value and worth might spill from his lips.
Yusef al-Qaradawi
Hillary and Barack strut around in their phony humanitarian mode not wanting to acknowledge that Mohammed Morsi is who he is, a Brotherhood devotee only playing them for fools as a nearly bankrupt Egypt still needs American cash.
Recall all the negotiations with North Korea with Christopher Hill in the Bush administration, promises of this and that relative to their nuclear facilities made only in the name of getting their assets unfrozen.
When will an American administration, any American administration, acknowledge that deal making with the Brotherhood, North Korea, Hamas or Iran is just so much spitting into the wind ?
Will we be shocked when we offer support to Syria’s “rebels” and then proceed to see Syria go the way of Egypt, Libya and Afghanistan ? I expect that even Iraq might well devolve, again, into chaos as Sunnis hardly want to give up Mesopotamia, the seat of the new Caliphate, to some government that isn’t wholly committed to sharia.
As the ethanol fantasy destroyed cheap food, revolution was inevitable. Today’s Islamist victories are of historic proportion whether we like it or not.
There’s a couple of dense non sequiturs, if I’ve ever heard them, read them, whatever:)
Subsidies to farmers around the world distort the price of food. Eliminating all of them would do more than any other single factor to lower the price of food. Tariffs on agricultural products in world trade have the same effect – they raise the price of food to the consumer. Getting rid of food subsidies and agricultural tariffs should the the WTO’s primary function.
“Eliminating all of them would do more than any other single factor to lower the price of food.”
I’ve seen statistics that you would do better by supplying all the poor with pellet guns (& ammo), and teaching them to kill and eat rats & mice (as they do in some countries).
There’s plenty of food, just too much waste. Of course it would be raaaaacist to teach Africans to kill and eat rats.
BTW, here in the country we kill and eat squirrels, which are basically just furry-tailed rats with a better public image.
One thing I would be looking for, per David Goldman, is an emphasis on agricultural production. Morsi can’t turn Egypt into Iran until the country can feed itself. So they are going to have to figure out some way to do that. Indications that they are privileging that sector (over imports, which presumably are cheaper) will be a good sign of his intentions.
Lest we never forget that Islam and Muslims universally have only one focus:
Sharia Law t be imposed on everyone in the world.
Islam is for all intents and purposes, not a religion, but a political
movement (Jihad) not unlike Communism.
This is what we are up against around the world, in the Middle East,
in Great Britain, all of Europe and here in the United States of America.
The harsh imposition of Sharia Law, Muslim terrorists and proselytizing
Islamist clerics and Muslim Brotherhood die-hard supporters like Morsi.
To deny, to be ambivalent or dismissive of the dangers we face with Islam
would be foolhardy to say the least.
Good luck, world.
The goal, the final card the Progressive Lefties have to play…
…the only reason they haven’t played it yet is because they still haven’t figured out how to bring The Shari’ah to the United States, but ONLY have it apply to Conservatives and Libertarians, while leaving Progressives immune from The Shari’ah’s dictates and punishments. A Weaponized Muslim Horde ready to maim and murder the Left’s enemies on demand.
This is what they want, they just haven’t quite worked out how to get it.
Yes the rise to fundamentalism as brought to us by intelligence agencies and associated think tanks of the Anglo-American Zionist axis…all designed to enflame, divide, conquer and vanquish humanistic charity and fair play into militaristic orgy of terror, murder and in essence suicide.
Thank the neo-cons for their contributions to this sad state of affairs as psychopaths like Michael Leeden cheer on Obama’s war against Syria.
Note how none on the right are calling for Obama’s impeachment for the war on Libya, for murdering American Citizens, for the dictatorship of NDAA and his executive orders. Well maybe Obama has not nuked Iran as Netanyahooooo and the NeoCons want, but the war is going forward….and now you have Egyptian Sharia in your quiver from hell.
Impeach Obama!
But of course, the world’s problems are caused by those irascible Joooooz. The Muzzies in Jihadistan are incapable of independent action due to the horrible worldwide power grip wielded by people with names like Goldman, Meyer, and Rosen.
Different day, same old bigotry and anti-semitism.
But I thought James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, said under oath to Congress that he thought that the Muslim Brotherhood was a largely “secular” organization with no ties to al Qaeda or terrorism. Tell that to Ayman al-Zawahiri, an Egyptian who was a leader in the Muslim Brotherhood who went on to become Osama bin Laden’s No. 2 man in al Qaeda and now is the leader of al Qaeda. Naaaaa, these people are “harmless.” You really have to tremble when you think about the people who are in charge of our “security” these days in Washington.
We have been shoved by Obama, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, and James Clapper into the pre-9/11/01 mindset that terrorism is no longer a major threat and can be treated like any other crime. With Egypt now being run by the Muslim Brotherhood, it won’t be long before terrorists based there will launch an attack against the United States. It may be here or, most probably, against an American embassy in Egypt or somewhere else in the Middle East. With al Qaeda’s success on 9/11/12 in Benghazi, Libya, it will only be a matter of time before they try it again somewhere else in the Middle East, or maybe even in Europe.
But, hey, never mind. Even if we are attacked again, you won’t hear much about it because the mainstream media won’t cover it, just like the attack in Benghazi. Obama is walking around a dynamite factory with a blowtorch and the fool doesn’t even realize it.
It’s worse than you think -
” VIDEO REPORT CONFIRMS EGYPTIAN CRUCIFIXIONS
Translated Sky News Arabia: ‘Crucifying dissidents in front of the presidential palace’
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/video-report-confirms-egyptian-crucifixions/
Crowds not seen since the revolution have marched on the Presidential Palace. Even his aides are quitting in protest.
If these protests continue, and street fighting has been going on since even a week prior to the Constitution declaration, Morsi and the Islamists are in trouble. Momentum and the streets are the key. Mubarak fell in only 18 days and he was a dictator. It should be noted the Islamists didn’t even take part in the revolution when it started.
Morsi is an elected official and I doubt he’d win that election only 5 months later. A little reported fact is that the crazy Ultras Ahly soccer fans are anti-Morsi and involved in this and they are well organized and aren’t afraid of anyone. Morsi has spent what good will he had with non-Islamists. Stay tuned for surprises.
“Stay tuned for surprises.”
If the Islamists lose this round you can color me mildly surprised, but this will be a 15 rounder and the odds still favor them.
Sharia, being based on the subjective, victim-blaming double-standards of us against them, and might-makes-right of the Qur’an, is CRIME, not “law.”
It condones and endorses all crimes.
In this way, it is exactly like “liberalism:” pre-planned cowardice IS treason to rationality and civilization (and cowardice loves company; hence barbaric us-vs-them, and might makes right gangsterism):
‘Submission:’
Of course they will ______, because liberals (and all governments are statist gangsters) like moslems, believe in “everything goes” fatalism – “since every given crime’s going to happen anyway, we can’t deny it, so the best we can do, since have to allow it, is to accept, Submit to it, compromise with it and accommodate it! Whee!” (and this sort of nonsense defines all “sharia” crime, too)!
Naturally, when you agree to endorse crime, you must also automatically blame it’s victims.
(SHARIA). Might makes right; infidels, women, sheep and gays all had it coming to them anyway!
(“You can’t be an “Anti-” because that never works! We must all accept/Submit to CRIME!Whee!”) i.e: “If we don’t rush in first, then some other fools will beat us to it!”
It’s simple, cowardly, treasonous masochism: (which all liberals are afflicted by) – when they see something they fear, their immediate response is to Submit to it: “We have to let the violent criminals do what they want to us, or else they’ll do what they want to us anyway!”
In this way, they hope to avoid the fear of pain, by pre-emptively inflicting that pain on themselves (thus cancelling the auxiliary pain caused by the fear)! See?
And cowardice loves company: selling group-might-made-rights and divisive identity politics also automatically deprives all real human individual citizens of all their rights; this is the simple truth all liberals and moslems avoid by pretending to be unable to understand it.
And their cowardly and corrupt crime strategy is to use these tactics: the divide and conquer, (divisive) victimology-selling, corruption spewing tempters have always pretended people can have hope (of no pain) without fear (of pain), and rights without responsibilities.
But, by pretending they have a right not to fail, (i.e: a right to be irresponsible,) they take away everyone’s responsibility (and right) to succeed on their own! It encourages victim-blaming, infantile delinquency and dependance on a master – it creates slavery.
No, we won’t see women convicted of adultery on perjured testimony and then perishing by having stones flung at their heads and shoulders until they die in agony. Or at least we won’t see it any time soon.
i don’ understand what it is that women don’t understand about sharia .ask a muslim .