Crucifixion? Must Be the ‘Aspirations of Arab Peoples for Greater Freedom’
A tweet from my friend Jay Sekulow highlights this item from his American Center for Law and Justice, courtesy of Matthew Clark:
Numerous reports have emerged this week that the radical Islamic Muslim Brotherhood, that now controls the government of Egypt, has begun crucifying Christians in that country.
Middle East news media have reported that the Muslim Brotherhood has “crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others.” Those opposing the new radical Islamic regime include Christians, and experts have suggested that “extra brutality is reserved for Christians.”
The ACLJ just sent a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urging her to take action to stop this atrocity.
Our letter states:
Recent news stories concerning what is currently transpiring in Egypt should cause grave concern to the Department of State, to the Obama Administration, and the civilized world in general. . . . It appears that secular Egyptians and Coptic Christians are at heightened risk. Such barbarity cannot simply be overlooked by the Government of the United States and the rest of the civilized world. The United States Government must condemn such actions in the strongest terms possible and must encourage other nations to do so as well.
The letter also urges Secretary Clinton and the Obama Administration to “cut off all aid” to Egypt unless and until Egypt takes decisive action to prevent further brutality and prosecute those who committed these heinous acts.
Christians in Egypt need our support more now than ever, as the radical Muslim Brotherhood continues to pose a grave threat to their very lives.
The ACLJ adds that it has started a petition to urge the Obama administration to condemn Egyptian atrocities and cut off funding to its new, Muslim Brotherhood-run government. You can find and sign it here.
In his acceptance speech at the GOP convention, Gov. Romney vowed: “We will honor America’s democratic ideals because a free world is a more peaceful world. This is the bipartisan foreign legacy of Truman and Reagan, and under presidency we will return to it once again.” Mitt is right, as long as he does not confuse what that legacy is. What President Reagan championed was democratic principles, not procedures. A popular vote does not a democracy make, and if the popular vote installs totalitarianism, as it has in Egypt, then it augurs the very opposite of democracy — real democracy. The legacy that Mitt praised is a proud one precisely because it condemned, worked relentlessly against, and ultimately defeated totalitarianism.
Republicans are right: we desperately need “a new president unbound by the failures of the past.” That means a new president who stops looking at the Muslim Brotherhood as if they were Solidarity and starts seeing them as our totalitarian enemies.
Sadly, Mitt can’t the guy, when it comes to defeating Islamism.
Even if he had the capability to be, the Left is going to poison that well so very easily. They’ll start with the Mormon attacks, and when Romney tries to say that he’s for a “Freedom of Religion” where people won’t make the sorts of attacks on a faith that The Left is making on his, The Left will spring their “What about Islam? What about Muslims? We’re just doing to you what your people do to Muslims!” trap.
can’t BE the guy, even.
Disagree. A sitting President – forget about the campaign – has immense foreign policy power, far more than he does over the economy. I doubt sincerely Romney will pay attention to that nonsense about the Arab Spring in the Republican platform. His statements on Israel, for one example, have been quite clear. Ditto remarks vis-a-vis Putin. Both a breath of fresh air after Obama.
BTW, on the ground at the convention I didn’t talk to one person who thought the Arab Spring was anything but a disaster. I don’t know who wrote that silly paragraph, but I didn’t meet him or anyone with those views. Party platforms in the end are pretty much useless and forgotten. You are electing a candidate. Watch him. Forget the boilerplate.
Roger, Mitt Romney and his surrogate, Senator Jim Talent, last week muscled into our national party platform language calling for the establishment of a Muslim enemy state (a terror state) in Israel’s heartland. Buzzfeed reports:
The draft platform, written by the Romney campaign and committee aides states, “We envision two democratic states (i.e., a Muslim terror state and a Jewish state),” which drew fire from several members of the platform committee.
“Three separate amendments to the draft platform were offered and shot down after Sen. Jim Talent, a Romney surrogate who is tasked with ensuring the platform document is in line with Romney’s policy proposals, objected to each.
“Minnesota delegate Kevin Erickson offered two of the amendments, which would have removed the line, replacing it with tough language on terrorism.
“Erickson said he didn’t want to pressure the Israeli government by specifying the conditions of an ultimate peace.”
This is unsurprising as Governor Romney dress-downed Newt Gingrich in the December 19, 2011 Iowa debate after Gingrich rightly said the Palestinians are an invented people (“terrorists”) dedicated to Israel’s destruction.
Why should I trust Mitt Romney?
Sorry, meant to write my full name: Steve Klein
And Comrade Barack Hussein Obama wants to have a big Islamist A-smooching prayer shindig at the DNC convention! One question please! Has everyone that calls themselves a Democrat lost their damned minds and will still support this blatantly destructive Lunacy? I wonder what JFK would think of this? If their are any Democrats that love (America)its time you all jump ship!
Progressives will support ANYONE who’ll kill off Whites, Republicans, and Christians without having to get their own hands dirty.
Jihadis are the perfect little mercenaries for the job, in their mind.
And the thing about that is the Progressives aren’t bright enough to realize that those same allies will turn on them just as soon as they wipe out their first mutual enemies.
“Progressives will support ANYONE who’ll kill off Whites…
Bullshit.
You’re kidding with the crucifixion stories aren’t you? No one’s being crucified in Cairo.
I recommend you check:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/08/15/egypts-jihad-organizations-call-for-christian-genocide/
and more specifically:
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-crucifies-opponents/
which began:
Last Wednesday, August 8, “thousands of the Muslim Brotherhood’s
supporters” attacked 6-October’s media facilities, beat Khaled Salah
—chief editor of the privately-owned and secular Youm 7 newspaper
—prevented Yusif al-Hassani, an On TV broadcaster, from entering
the building, and generally “terrorized the employees.”
El Balad adds that the supporters of Tawfik Okasha, another vocal
critic of President Morsi—the one who widely disseminated the graphic video
of a Muslim apostate being slaughtered to cries of “Allahu Akbar”—
gathered around the presidential palace, only to be surrounded by
Brotherhood supporters, who “attacked them with sticks, knives, and
Molotov cocktails, crucifying some of them on trees, leading to the
deaths of two and the wounding of dozens.”
Far from condemning these terrorists, Al Azhar, Egypt’s most authoritative
Islamic institution, has just issued a fatwa calling for more violence and
suppression, saying that “fighting participants in anti-Muslim Brotherhood
demonstrations planned for 24 August is a religious obligation.”
and ended:
Moreover, those alleged to have been crucified in Egypt certainly fit the
Koran’s description of who deserves to be crucified. According to Allah,
“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger
and strive to make mischief in the land is only this: that they should be
murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off…” (Koran 5:33).
“Making mischief in the land” is precisely what the secular media is being
accused of, by constantly exposing the Muslim Brotherhood and prompting
the people to protest. Even the Jihad Group to Cleanse the Country, which
threatens to “liquidate” many secular media, accuses them of “creating chaos
to implement the American and Zionist agenda.”
Finally, it is telling that only a few months ago, and for the first time in Egypt’s
modern history, an Egyptian MP proposed to institutionalize Sharia’s most
draconian punishments—including crucifixion.
Under the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the bottle has been uncorked and
the Islamic Genie set loose. Expect much worse to come.
Suggest you try reading the news (from some other outlets than the NYT/WaPo access). It’s been reported (mainly in non-US coverage) for a couple of weeks now.
I call it a straight up lie.
Crucifixions are happening. There are pictures in the news. What hole are you hiding in.
Well then link to them. There is little doubt there are isolated incidents of violence in Cairo. Saying the MB is blithely crucifying Christians in Heliopolis is nuts.
I believe this is from the same general source as the photo of 5 dogs taking a nap in the sun in Cairo who we were led to believe had been gassed to death accidentally by a new, more virulent type of tear gas on Mohamed Farid St.
As for the hole I’m hiding in. Send me some money and I’ll take a cab over to Heliopolis and try and find the trees in question.
I call it a straight up lie.
I agree.
I’m predisposed to believe that it’s true. But to date, there have been zero hard evidence. And let’s face it, the Islamic barbarians aren’t the least bit shy about photographic documentation of their atrocities. Hell, they think doing so is propaganda.
Besides which, it doesn’t matter.
What we have already known for a long time is that Islamists have persecuted the Coptic Christians, abusing them, often killing them. The Muslim Brotherhood is absolutely intolerant of anyone who isn’t an Islamist, and that’s what Egypt is turning into–which doesn’t portend well for Israeli security. That’s the real issue.
Whereas if we glom onto a sensationalistic claim of crucifixion that is later debunked, we just end up losing credibility.
Agreed.
Here are some links for you…..
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/arab-spring-run-amok-brotherhood-starts-crucifixions/
http://www.shoebat.com/2012/08/16/crucifixion-now-being-implemented-in-egypt/
http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/08/16/muslim-brotherhood-crucifies-opponents-attacks-secular-media/
There are many more.
Maybe there was another fatwa on GI Joe dolls.
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2005/02/01/terrorists-clai.php
For some reason I haven’t succeeded to list a link.
Just Google “crucifixion egypt ” and click on “Video report confirms …”
there are pictures from Yemen
A new President also needs to take a big broom to the Army and Marines and fire most all of their generals.
Crucifying Christians? General Allen would probably say those Muslims were just stressed out from fasting during Ramadan. Petraeus would probably say those Christians must have insulted the Koran.
Well, General Allen may want to bone up on his reading. I suggest he enters the world of my blog, just for starters.He can go to – http://www.adinakutnicki.com for a preliminary education on all things Islamic and jihadist.Hopefully, his heart can withstand a good truth telling.
I won’t even charge him a fee!
Walid shoebat is responsible for much of this story, it would need independent confirmation from several other sources before it can be reported as fact.
Why there is so much focus on the MB and none on Saudi Arabia which funds MB, Hamas and the Sharia movement globally is disconcerting. For some reason PJM refuses to acknowledge Saudi involvement in terrorism and promotion of Sharia law, and instead on these small groups used by Saudi’s.
Very disappointing.
I acknowledge it right here and I am CEO of PJM. Most important solution: energy independence now. Cut their bankroll.
They’ll still be supporting terrorism by selling oil to the rest of the world. Better solution: bomb all their oil wells and oil transportations hubs. That would cut the world’s oil supply by something like 20%, which would be very expensive and uncomfortable, but only that. It would be one of the few conflicts in history where most of the bother and inconvenience (waiting in gas lines, losing jobs) would occur on the home front rather than on the front line — because this time the front line would be servicemen leisurely pressing buttons to launch the bombs and missiles. Warn what’s going to happen, so that the oil facilities can be evacuated before they are destroyed.
Of course, once they know we are serious about eliminating their oil, the Arabs will become very accommodating which will almost certainly mean that in the end — and at most — a token oil complex or two will disappear. Remember the Arab saying “Kiss the hand you cannot bite.” Without their oil they have no teeth.
I agree. Let them sink back into a long nap.
Most important solution: energy independence now. Cut their bankroll.
Sorry Mr Simon, but that is no solution at all, it’s empty sophistry.
And I’m all in favor of developing all of our own resources, energy and otherwise.
But the indisputable fact is that an evil Wahabi cult controls (almost) unimaginable wealth by geographic accident. And that someone in the world will always be willing to trade with them for their oil.
The only real solution is eliminating the regime.
Can you prove that these crucifixions happened? I am an American-Israeli deeply concerned about the MB, rising Islamism etc but really turned off by
those who think there are no moderate Muslims, or even that Obama is a Muslim or wasnt born in the U.S.A., or exagerate the impact of Islamism in America, which has a small population of Muslims, the majority being law – abiding
and moderate.
Just the facts, please – backed up by independent confirmation.
Christians in Egypt are second class citizens but if such a thing as crucifixions occurred in Cairo in front of the Presidential palace there would be rioting in the streets by Christians such as may have never occurred in modern times.
Half of Cairo who are Muslim would join them and it would be the end of Morsi’s Presidency. Heck, there was a fairly large protest against the MB in Cairo yesterday anyway.
Someone’s making up crap on the level of UFO nonsense straight out of their head. Any sensible person would run, not walk, to distance themselves as far as possible from such stories.
Thank you for your levelheadedness.
Don’t go away.
You think “Half of Cairo who are Muslim would join them” is levelheadedness? Where am I? Oh no! This is Oz, isn’t it?
Listen to what I am saying, cuz it is simple. Half the populace did NOT vote for Morsi. Many in Egypt fear the MB. There was a big protest in Talaat Harb Square yesterday against Morsi and the MB. There is little doubt the MB are maneuvering to retain power. They are trying to exert control of the media by appointments and harsh legislation that enables lawsuits and even jail time for reporters who write slanderous stories. The clashes around which these crucifixion stories are centered happened at media buildings. The MB are doing this because they are vulnerable to the vote, not because they can simply seize power. You think Egyptians overturned Mubarak to be in turn enslaved by the MB?
Educate yourself before you accuse people of absurdity. Cairenes are not animals. If the MB was pinning up Christians a great many non-Christians would side with them. Even in the rumor mill that is Cairo there is no sign of these stories of crucifixions.
There is no evidence for the crucifixions whatsoever. There are cellphone pictures and videos available of every single event, more or less, in Egypt for the last two years. And no-one took a picture or video of this? I’ve trawled the net, Islamic nutter sites in Arabic as well – nothing. These crucifixons were reported by papers that report radio controlled Israeli sharks and spy-vultures of mossad. It’s bullshit.
I don’t doubt it may happen in the future, and I know these people are retarded maniacs, but until you show me proof, forget it.
“Half of Cairo who are Muslim would join them”
I may have once read a more absurd comment, but I can’t remember what or when.
Then is should be easy to make a case for it. Make it.
A moderate Muslim, much like a moderate Nazi, is someone who approves of the atrocities carried out under their ideology but won’t get their hands dirty
Or haven’t you noticed the mass protests at things like Mohammed cartoons and deafening silence at things like beheadings and suicide bombings
“Moderate Muslim” is an oxymoron if ever there was one. One can not be a follower of Mohammad and be moderate.
We will know fairly quickly if Romney wins whether he will stand up to the threat of islam or whether he will continue the pandering started by Bill Cllinton and which continued through the Bush administration. As usual Obama took it to another level but to him this is also a voter block that he wants to win. Some of Romney’s handlers will likely advise the same approach–selling out the country in order to get the votes. Same with kind of thing with amenesty for illegals. Unfortunately the threat of islam as you have described is sinister since it relies on the morality of the American people to give them a break and refuse to accept how evil they are until it is too late. Keep up the great work.
The only thing the arab spring has “unleashed” is a wave of totalitarianism that hasn’t been seen since of fascist dictatorships of the 1930s. This is only appropriate since we are heading for a showdown with perhaps one of the worst of those dictatorships, Iran.
History may not be repeating itself directly, but it is certainy rhyming quite a bit right now. If Iran gets its nuclear weapon, it has all the potential of being as destructive as Hitler’s Germany. If Iran unleashes a nuclear war with Israel, we are going to start seeing World War II-type casualties, something the world has not seen in roughly 70 years. It could also start a wider conflagration between the United States and possibly China or Russia. My money would be on China, since China may see another Middle Eastern war as its opportunity to make a move in the Pacific, since it probably thinks we would have our hands full dealing with Iran and won’t be able to fully support our allies in the Pacific (and they would be right).
This is a very dangerous time for our planet and our nation. These problems are way above the capabilities of the fool that’s in office right now. But Romney must be aware of the fact that it’s not only about the economy and that his whole administration can’t be obsessed with only economic policies. The world is heading towards a major war because of Islamic fundamentalists like the Muslim Brotherhood. I only hope that Romney and Ryan get that. Because, if they don’t, they are in for a rude surprise once they get into office.
That’s nonsense. No wave of totalitarianism has been unleashed. A wave of democracy that is Islamic has been unleashed. You won’t agree on their ideas about human rights or a Constitution but that’s a long ways from Mussolini or Hitler. There are no personality cults that have emerged and Egypt is arguing about a Constitution. You cannot say it WILL happen and say that is the same thing as it HAS happened. People who have a righteous argument don’t need to exaggerate what their opponent does. That begs the question of why you oppose a thing that doesn’t do what you say it does in the first place.
How can you say that a society that orders itself through sharia might or even could be democratic? This is nonsense of the highest order. Sharia is a sham orchestrated by ignorant old men who have never studied anything in their miserable lives but the koran. It morphs into anything these disgusting ‘elders’ want it to be from tribe to tribe.
The only good thing about what is happening in Central Asia is that every region is becoming militarized and this shall facilitate them destroying each other more rapidly. Personally I can’t wait for Iran and the Saudis go at it. Hopefully it will go nuclear. Save Israel the trouble of turning Iran into a nation who’s major cities are glass parking lots.
Well, if people are voting for sharia then that’s the way they want it. Stop saying it is therefore not voting.
I keep making this point. The Egyptian people have got exactly what they wanted from the start – a muslim brotherhood government who will institute more sharia law into the life of the country. They wanted it, they voted for it, they got it. End of story…
You are making the classic mistake of equating “democracy” with “elections.” Hitler’s Nazi Party ran for office too.
Holding elections isn’t the only thing that makes a democracy. There are things like adherence to the rule of law, and especially being able to be tolerant of other points of view without resorting to violence. The Muslim Brotherhood isn’t known for that.
Our own Founding Fathers feared direct democracy would turn into mob rule. That’s why they created a system with so many impediments to demagoguery.
In what universe are democracy and totalitarianism mutually exclusive? This is why the United States is not a democracy, and must never be a democracy. We are a republic, because in a democracy 51% of the people can vote away the rights of the other 49%. I have half a mind to say that the only democracy we should tolerate in the Arab world is one where Muslims can’t vote and are ruled by Christians.
Fail, you don’t seem to grasp any of the historical similarities that are playing out today that seem so very much like what happened when Hitler came to power. You do not seem to remember that Hitler was ELECTED to office. He did not seize power. But once he was elected, I think few would not call him a dictator by the way he held on to and abused power.
Well, the same thing is happening today, in real time, in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists (which are worse than the Muslim Brotherhood) have been elected to power and now we can see what they intend to do with it. They have purged the military and have basically trashed any notions of following a democratic constitution. Do you want to make a bet right now that Egypt has just had the last election they will have for the next generation or so? The dictator Mubarak was simply replaced by another dictatorship, only this one is controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood. Please do not think that the Arab Spring is the new coming of Jeffersonian democracy to Egypt. That’s a lie and you know it to be a lie. All you have to do is see what’s happening in Egypt today. And when the major pogroms continue against the Christians in Egypt, the circle will be complete to the 1930s analogy to Germany, only instead of the Jews being persecuted it is the Christians in Egypt.
You went on to say, “You won’t agree on their ideas about human rights or a Constitution but that’s a long ways from Mussolini or Hitler.” You’re right, I certainly do NOT agree with their ideas about human rights or the Constitution because what they are doing in Egypt right now are horrific human rights abuses (just look at what they are doing to the Christians) and that they have absolutely no desire to follow any Constitution that doesn’t have the oppressive and medieval Sharia law at its guiding principles. So you are darn right I don’t agree with them because, when it comes to Sharia law, it makes them WORSE than Hitler or Mussolini. At least in Nazi Germany they didn’t treat German women like property and think that they had the right to beat or sexually assault them whenever they wanted to. But the Sharia law lovers in Egypt DO hate homosexuals as much as the Nazis did, which in that sense makes them perfect soul mates. I wish that any male that believes in Sharia law should be forced to live as a woman in a place like Egypt or Afghanistan. Let’s see how much they like it when they are forced to be treated like property rather than human beings. The swine.
And I’m not exaggerating by a long shot. All you have to do is read the papers and see what’s happening inside of Egypt right now. And this is just a taste of what you’re going to get in some of the other countries where the much vaunted “Arab Spring” has crashed and burned, such as Libya and Alegeria (and we don’t even want to guess at what’s going to happen in a place like Syria).
The statements I made were perfectly accurate. If you choose to ignore them, then that’s your business. But there isn’t much of what’s happening in many of the Muslim north African countries right now that hasn’t happened in the 1930s. The religion may be different, but the totalitarian tactics, the abuse of power, and the crimes are still the same. And I oppose what’s going on in the Muslim world right now because it will have a direct bearing on America, especially if Iran gets a nuclear weapon. And if you can’t see that, then you are either a devout isolationist or an apologist for some of the worst human rights abusers since Hitler. Take your pick.
People are fond of saying I don’t “grasp” such things. Egypt = Iran – Egypt = Iran – Egypt = Iran.
I have little doubt the MB would seize power if they could, or that I would appoint myself king of the world. No one has “trashed” any Constitution in Egypt. They are working on it by bickering and arguing just like happened in 1787 in America. But they are not Americans. Why people expect Muslims to act like Judeo-Christians is beyond me.
And I would take your bet about the vote, for every cent I have. And there is no dictatorship in Egypt, or anything like it. I have never said the Arab Spring in Egypt is a sign of Jeffersonianism – quite the opposite – it is a straw man argument.
The statements you made in your post are not perfectly accurate but worst case scenarios called facts. There already exist harsh Islamic regimes in Saudi Arabia and parts of Pakistan are, in a word, nuts. But what are you going to do, land an army? The most important point is that for the first time ever, these conservative N. African Islamic countries do have a vote and we can at least hope they’ll then turn some of their negative energies in upon themselves instead of blaming the West for supporting dictators.
We can do two simple things: since the greatest weapons Islam has against the West are immigration and oil, we should severely restrict immigration from Islamic countries if not ban it entirely. We are not a de facto refugee camp. If we made it clear that there was no way out, perhaps those most interested in freedom would commit themselves to stay and fight and die for it rather than running away. Plus those that only come for jobs and actually hate us could cook at home. Plus it would send a message for Islam to get it’s own house in order and become civilized. But thank our own political correctness for the immigration.
Secondly we have the largest energy reserves in the world now. Take it out of the ground and say have a nice day to the middle east. I agree in one respect, they are the most useless and greatest source of overweening arrogance and agitation in the world. Look at South America – do you see them blowing things up? They have their problems too.
“No one has “trashed” any Constitution in Egypt. They are working on it by bickering and arguing just like happened in 1787 in America.”
Stunningly naive. There will be a Bill of Rights in MB ruled Egypt like there will be a Famous Dave’s rib joint in downtown Cairo.
Stunningly naive? Did I say anything about an American Bill of Rights? They are hashing out a Constitution – right now. You may not like it. Many of the Egyptians may not, others will. The Islamists and secularists are arguing. Educate yourself before making pronouncements.
You got the fail right Burton. Why don’t you go Chamberlain somewhere else.
I can equally say go whine about the sky is falling somewhere else. No one knows how this Arab Spring will play out. How is it you DO know?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/shocking-video-evidence-of-islamic-crucifixion/
No you can’t. How can you not see what’s right in front of your face? Where you from, Mars?
It’s shocking video evidence of nothing. I have no idea what that is but it sure as hell isn’t Heliopolis.
What he is doing goes well beyond Chamberlain.
Then it should be easy to make an argument rather than blithe insults. Evoking Iran and Hitler is childish.
“Then it should be easy to make an argument rather than blithe insults. Evoking Iran and Hitler is childish.”
So you think calling someone childish is not a blithe insult? Are you for real? Do you even read what you write? Islam is even more totalitarian than communism and fascism and Mohammad even more of a monster than Stalin and Mao and Hitler.
Saying I am worse than Chamberlain is an insult. Don’t play semantic gibberish with a hurt look.
Muhammad declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion against all the rest of mankind.
Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies is in a dog.
I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.
Islam does not teach the same sort of compassion for the other that virtually every other religion including today’s “secular humanism” teaches. Muslims murder and torture each other without compunction and their own ummah, “brotherhood” has no condemnation to offer. That’s because they don’t value individual human life the way Christian westerners do. It’s not a concept in Islam, which means it’s not a concept in Muslims “hearts and minds”. Their hearts and minds instead understand what Allah teaches them in the Koran, namely, the Collective Will to Power.
When will our leaders understand this? And moreover understand that it is necessary in the end to treat Muslims in the way they themselves understand moral principles? Which ultimately means that they must be beaten back and vanquished and humiliated by a greater strength. That is clearly what they understand. Every move to win their hearts and minds only strengthens them, emboldens them to advance their own peculiar ethics of the world, which couldn’t give a damn about “hearts and minds”, as we understand the term. They will accept the shehada from anyone they can swindle and connive to recite it while at the same time are willing to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Whatever it takes to build the army of Islamic soldiers is what their ethics is about.
There is no way of avoiding the reality that the adults in this world are going to have to act like adults and step up and slap, and in a big way, Muslims who have made of their own societies the equivalent of “Lord of the Flies” and who now threaten to overrun every more advanced society with their mayhem. We’re going to have to come to terms this reality. Either that or it’s simply going to be cruel for all of us, with no kindness in sight, and possibly no one left to come and rescue us off an Island from Hell that in our passivity and cowardice we allowed to be taken over by moral pygmies.
In the Middle Ages in Europe, Christians persecuted Jews brutally. Tens of thousands of women were burned at the stake as alleged witches. Jews who fled into Russia found themselves the victims of pogroms organized by Russian Orthodox Christians right into the 19th century. up to the early 20th century. Etc.
Christianity was eventually *forced* into tolerance by the rise of forces it could not control: Science, capitalism and industrialization. These created power and philosophical centers outside the control of the Christian Church. And finally here in America, our Founding Fathers explicitly created a form of government that didn’t recognize Christianity as the official religion, and which didn’t take orders from the Vatican.
The reason why something like this has not happened in the Arab world is because their vast oil wealth has enabled them to outsource their industrial development to others.
Christianity was eventually *forced* into tolerance by the rise of forces it could not control: Science, capitalism and industrialization. These created power and philosophical centers outside the control of the Christian Church.
There are a number of problems with this wishful conflation of Christianity ca 1200ad and Islam today.
Among them:
Christianity from its origins separated religious belief from civil authority. Islam in contrast has always been theocratic with religion as an aspect of government or vice versa. In practice, christiandom abandoned that separation for a millenium but it was always there to be rediscovered in the scripture.
Likewise, Christianity is fundamentally individualistic while Islam is collectivist. The core concept of Christianity is individual acceptance of Christ and then attempting to live up to his example (even though you will fail)no matter the cost; while the core concept of Islam is submission, to the community and Allah.
Christianity purports to be based on an imperfect record while the Koran is purported to be the literal word of God. The difference allows observant Christians to adapt their belief to technological and social changes while Islamic beliefs are necessarity static.
The bottom line is that those factors meant that a Christian reformation could lead to an enlightenment but that an Islamic reformation will take the opposite direction.
In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.
Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of unicorn hunting.
“Moderate” Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No “moderate” can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”
Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of “moderates”, making them irrelevant.
Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
And then there is Afghanistan, where people are beheaded for attending a party.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/27/afghanistan-beheadings-idINL
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Islam is trying to teach the world what blind faith means. N obody is learning.
Well some Muslims may be moderates, but the problem is their religion is not moderate. Islam is a supremacy religion. It respects no other relgion; period. Its doesn’t even respect your right to live, unless you live under a diminished and subjucated status. And they will kill anyone under a pretext of insulting Islam.
“democratic principles, not procedures. A popular vote does not a democracy make…”
This is basic truth that so many fail to see and yet it is the cause of so much misery in the world today and in the past.
I hope Andrew McCarthy is a national security advisor in the new Romney administration. Islam is a totalitarian theocracy. Islam might be a dandy “religion” for men, but it sucks big time for women. No US military personnel on the ground in any Muslim country now or ever. Seems like it’s open season on our troops in Afganistan. Bring them all home immediately.
“Someone’s making up crap on the level of UFO nonsense straight out of their head. Any sensible person would run, not walk, to distance themselves as far as possible from such stories”
Absolutely correct.
I dont know why this website promotes stories originating from Walid Shoebat. There should be at least a minimum level of journalistic integrity.
Islam is a religion, a political constitution, and dangerous Satanic cult rolled into one. Allah is not god as we know God in the west. Allah is Satan, the god of this world. If Mitt Romney actually knew the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then he would know intrinsically of the danger presented by Islam. Since Romney is a Mormon, which is another dangerous anti-God cult, he is incapable of grasping the danger posed by other cults. On the other hand this misunderstanding is is part and parcel to the rapid deterioration of the world governmental structure and the rise of the most prolific Satanic cult ever devised. We live in the most crucial period in the history of mankind. The entire world political construct is rapidly falling into the period of its destruction. We can only watch as this debacle takes place.
I think you are wrong about saying Allah is Satan.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is clearly revealed in Scripture as the all-powerful and all-knowing Creator. He is revealed as righteous and just but also as the compassionate and merciful God with no equal or rival. He does not need any man to carry out his judgement.
Allah, however, seems powerless to strike down those who blaspheme his name, speak ill of Muhammad and reject the Qur’an. He appears to be entirely dependent on his follower, on Muslims, to be his hands and feet, his ears and eyes and mouth. Without them he cannot wield a sword against his enemies.
This all makes me wonder if Allah is not a god created in the image of Muhammad – no different from a lifeless idol of wood or stone, overlaid in gold or silver, and having to be carried around by his worshipers. Perhaps the Screwtape Letters have a point and that if Satan wanted to portray himself as God he would be much craftier and not use the guise of Allah but rather come as an angel of light.
This morning I heard the story of a Christian pastor from Nigeria describing the attacks on his Christian community. His wife has suffered horrific injuries and they have fifty children in their care – many orphans as a result of the Muslim attacks. Why the obscene refusal to acknowledge the many, many attacks and persecution of Christians in Muslim countries? Why the heartless failure to publicly condemn these in the strongest terms?
The sufferings of Christians including countries like Iran and Egypt and Indonesia, far exceeds that of the sufferings of Palestinians in Gaza, yet the UN and Obama Administration treat these as if they do not even exist. One of these is a friend who converted from Islam to Christianity. She fled to the West after brutal assaults because she was living in fear of her very life. The failure of the mainstream media in the USA to cry out loudly for these people and to publicly condemn the silence of the Administration makes them accomplices to these atrocities. The silence of the Administration also makes them accomplices to these crimes.
I have not been able to verify the accuracy of the following but it is worth following up – perhaps Andrew could confirm the veracity?:
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/08/obama-admin-scrubs-human-rights-report-of-muslim-persecution-of-christians-in-islamic-nations-by-purging-religious-freedom-section/
I can say it in two words: political correctness. Muslims are a liberal protected group – the press, globally, is liberal. End of story. Christians have no such protection. They are routinely laughed at in the American press.
You are right. But I would add the other leftist fist: multiculturalism (whose tenant of “relativism” gave us post-9/11 shibboleth: One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter). Multiculturalism also feeds group divisions, it hates the traditional American notion of assimilation above all else. Political Correctness aims to disarm its opponents with enforced rules of behavior that PC elites have dreamed up in their lofty towers. Political Correctness, again, is the rule book (which our popular media, educational institutions, and entertainment industries have dutifully memorized and adopted). Multiculturalism, on the other hand, is the whip hand. It keeps the majority (traditional, God-fearing, self-reliant Americans) on the constant defense, by endlessly pounding the drum of race, gender, class, religion (and anti-religion), and, of course, the ever-urgent dimension of sexual, uh, preference.
There are groups of what we would call moderate/westernized Islam. Unfortunately one of the major groups is led by a noxious secular Arab dictator. The Alawi of Syria and the related Turkish Alewi are open minded and tolerant. They are on friendly terms with Christians. They even celebrate Christmas other major Christian holidays. The Alewi of Turkey do not go the mosque, both sexes pray together and reject the Haj. The Sunni Muslims hate both groups and persecuted them as heretics for centuries. These are the Muslims who deserve our support. I am sure are Progressive friends and MB apologists what support the elimination of these two groups
“It is not that the Muslims of the Middle East don’t grasp the Western notion of liberty; it is that they don’t want it.”
I think those words are highly accurate. The difference between the West and the Muslims in coming to their respective concepts is that the West reached their conclusion of the notions of liberty with a free and open mind given to us by our Maker from the time of birth. The Muslim is force fed concepts from the time of birth without any ability to astray their thought. They are indoctrinated and many in such a manner that they feel the absolute need to indoctrinate the West or get rid of it as too anathema to their own being.
Brilliant article Mr. McCarthy! I hope Romney will be much wiser so that our Judeo-Christian God will bless America and the righteous Americans once again – after being ruled by such dark Satanic forces of Saudi/Muslim Brotherhood/Islam-bowing Dictator/War Criminal Obama’s REGIME. I was just thinking about part of Romney’s speech on how Obama is attacking very strangely (for a President of the US)America’s historical foundation from every angle, especially on America’s own oil resources and middle-class – I bet this is deliberate and most cunning strategy, in order to cause great depression among the American people and ultimately, caused dependency on more Saudi/Qatar oil-power; to increasingly buy America (including to build Ground Zero jihadist mosque over the dead bodies of almost 3, 000 of mostly non-Muslim Americans)- as what they’re doing in Britain (such as buying part of Heathrow and London) or buying part of Paris, or buying into the ‘anything goes’ greed of some German’s industries such as increasing weapon and airline sale to these Dictator/War Criminal Arabic REGIMES. Where now that these Arab royals OIL/MINERAL/ FERTILE LAND are diminishing, they are committing Nazi-Hitlerian Ethnic/Cultural Genocide, Robbery, Torture and Sexual slavery of non-Arab Muslim/non-Muslim minorities and women/girls (especially of women/girls in evil Saudi-Arabic veils),in OIL/MINERAL/LAND-RICH Africa (Libya, Mali, Nigeria, Kenya, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen, Tunisia, Sudan, Yemen etc) and Mid-East (Egypt, Iraq and now, Syria – next will be Lebanon!). And later on, their ultimate goal of another Jewish Holocaust – Israel/the Jews; all these through their Muslim Brotherhood barbarian footsoldiers! Or the way Obama is attacking the most fundamental American/WesternJudeo-Christain heritage foundation of marriage or forcing pro-abortion policies on Christians/Jews especially – in order to produce a morally bankrupt younger generation who will stray from their parents conservative/traditional Christian/Jewish religion when being pushed to do so through peer pressure and so-called intellectual liberalism. You see – Obama and his Muslim Brotherhood gang knows that the Muslim fanatics foundation or Islam would not be threatened since Islam is based on violence, psychological or physical – thus controlling majority Muslims with absolute power. Further, imagine if gay marriages are forced in a mosque or abortion pushed on Muslim women/girls – it just won’t happen!.
the “aspirations of the Arab peoples,” in the main, are not for “greater freedom.”
Islamism has political appeal in the Middle East right now, but I don’t think that appeal is as deep-rooted as Mr. McCarthy fears.
Look at the recent history of Iran. The 1979 revolution was driven by broad popular resentment of the corruption, autocracy, and brutality of the Shah’s government. Iranian Islamists rode that wave into power. The cachet of religious devotion gave them the appearance of the honest alternative to the corrupt regime.
But in recent years it has become clear that the Islamists have alienated immense numbers of people, and are holding power by force. Once the people got a good look at Islamist rule, they lost any taste for it.
One could compare it to the history of Communism in Russia. The Russian people supported the Bolshevik Revolution against the corrupt and oppressive Tsar. (Yes, this is a deliberate oversimplication.) The Communists were honest, energetic, modernizers, democratic (in the cultural sense – they abolished hereditary aristocracy and racial distinctions).
For a generation Communism was genuinely popular with most Russians. But very few Russians really understood and embraced Marxist theoretical doctrine, or the totalitarian practices mandated by it. In another generation, the experience of Communism began to discredit with the people, a process which climaxed in 1991 with the mass repudiation of Communism.
The “Arab peoples” want governments that won’t rob them – or kill them when they object to being robbed. That’s the “aspiration, in the main”.
The Islamists are riding that wave, and also a second wave, which must be recognized, but is not as fundamental. That wave is a confluence of social conservative panic and religious fervor. The former is an understandable reaction to the massive cultural changes (good and bad) resulting from modernization, and the baleful influence of “Hollywoodization”. The religious fervor comes from Wahhabist missionizing funded from Saudi Arabia’s enormous oil-money pot.
The “Arab peoples” want governments that won’t rob them or beat them. They also want “corrupt Western culture” banished, for which Islamic religiosity is an obvious path, and the social gratification of having their religion proclaimed supreme.
But what after that? The Islamists speak of a re-established Caliphate. Who would be the Caliph? Who gets to wield political authority? The Iranian Islamists put a council of clerics in charge, something the Iranian people never consciously chose and clearly don’t want anymore. The Moslem Brothers and other Sunni Islamists have similar aspirations, but they veil them – because the Arab peoples don’t want that.
The Arab peoples don’t want “Enlightenment”-style “freedom”, with complete personal autonomy in culture and religion. They want enforcement of Islamic cultural norms and religion. Everyone is to be a Slave of God. But that is not the same as being a slave of an imam. They still want personal liberty.
Mohammedan morals consist in prostrate like bowing 5 times a day in the general direction of some black stone in Mecca that is suppose to have fallen down from their moon-god, Allah, and attending mosque regularly at the appointed weekly time, and in breaking the ten commandments all the balance of the week. It comes natural to them to lie and cheat and kill and enslave in the first place, and then they go on and improve on that nature until they arrive at perfection. I never did dislike anyone as much as those Muslims and especially the Arabs, and when Israel is pushed to war with them again, I hope America and England and France and Russia will not find it good breeding nor good judgment to interfere.
Islam has not one redeeming feature, not one. It is an absolute disgrace to men and an abomination on women. Mohammad was The Monster Who Walked The Earth and the totalitarian system that he spawned is the plague.
I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.
Looking forward to your new book, Mr. McCarthy. It is a tragedy, a true tragedy, that our major newspapers and alphabet t.v. news corporations (i.e., “The Press”) are purposely keeping this story away from the public. What have we become? How did we get here? How can an American administration ignore — and even assist! — a movement as evil as the Islamic Brotherhood? The simple answer, I suppose, is that the current administration is 100% Leftist (not “liberal” mind you). They oppose America’s superpower (i.e., “hegemonic”) status. They oppose Capitalism. And they oppose what used to be called “Liberalism” — that is, the defense of individual human beings from the manipulative and controlling ambitions of Big Business, Big Government, Big-Dog Fascist dictators, and, now, Big-Islam. Global Islam. Political Islam. Shariah. Call it what you will. The core of the Democrat Party have joined the Euro-Statists. And both of them have agreed to sign a separate peace with the Islamo-Fascists (among other cold-blooded mass murderers) because the latter share their hatred of The American Way.
So the MB has a plurality instead of a simple majority and this somehow provides a political safety valve for when the SHTF? There’s no historical basis for such an assumption.
Agh…. the above shook loose from a reply to Fail Burton way upstream.
I’m pre-inclined to believe now after seeing reports like this that Islam is not a religion… it’s a political system at war with all things non-Islam.
We’ve seen televised beheadings, verified gang rapes of female journalists, bristled at calls for the death of all Jews, wept for countless Christian congregations burned from their churches, watched dancing in the streets for the 9/11 “conquest”, and scratched our heads as Egyptian imams are reported to be debating the destruction of those demonic pagan symbols, the pyramids.
And we are to be skeptical of reports of a few enemies of the Egyptian MB rulers bring ladhrd to trees and whipped?
Why?
oops….. ladhrd = lashed….
damn touchscreen….
We have our Akin, we have an old and influential Catholic on TV saying the kids are partially to blame for Sandusky, Pat Robertson wants me to touch the TV, the MSM is accusing the GOP of talking in a pre-agreed upon racist code. When one is looking at strange and not easily understood cultures from a distance, it is important to put expressions into some kind of context.
Crucifixion? Come on, man. Republicans more often than not have the solid facts to write the story that is well-received … like the attack on Copts. But, every now and then, they will go overboard, seeking the overkill, which diminishes their credibility.
Crucifixion? No, that is not the Arab way. It was the Roman way. The Arab way is stoning to death or decapitation by sword. The French way was the guillotine. The American way was hanging, which later “evolved” thru the chair to, now, the needle.
The Brits basically had the hanging. But, at least once in history, they flaunted their animal souls. In 1857, after the Sepoy Mutiny in India, which saw the retirement of a private-sector firm, the East India Company, Queen Victoria was forced to take charge. And the captured rebels of 1857, what was their fate? Hanging? Firing squad? Nope. The Brits came up with a novel way – they strapped the captured rebels to mouths of cannons and blew them to kingdom-come. The Brits, they were great innovators as always.
Each culture has its preferred way to get rid of rebels. In the Muslim world, crucifixion has never been the way.
I’m no PhD in Middle East history, and can’t speak to the historical context of crucifixion in Muslim society (inclined to agree with you on its usage, actually), but why does there have to be a historical context for it to be happening now? IEDs aren’t a traditional method of killing in Arab society. Suicide bombings aren’t really supported by the historical narrative either, but we see those quite frequently. Crucifixion may not be something one would have expected from the Fatimid Caliphate, but that’s not a sound basis to deny that it’s happening in Egypt now.
The point is not adhering to some kind of ancient tradition, but striking fear into the hearts of those that oppose them – this is merely another expression of Islamic terrorism. The act of crucifixion contains immense symbolism for those of the Christian faith. I would think that exercising it against the Christians/Copts would be a powerful weapon.
Read your history; that was a Mughal tradition going back decades and decades.
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam,” Koran 5:33
Muhammad specified that an unbeliever who criticized his teachings would be crucified. It’s not like modern Islamists invented this idea. They’re right in the center of Islamic belief to engage in this horrifying practice.
As far as crucifixion being a Roman practice only: They most likely stole the concept from Alexander the Great, the Greek leader who X’ed about 2000 victims after a conquest. Not sure where Alex got it, though, but it was certainly already being used by several civilizations before he used it. And apparently Muhammad had no problem borrowing it from others and making it an actual “scriptural” prescription for extreme, bloody, gruesome, barbaric violence against people who would not follow him.
THAT BEING SAID, I would be happier if Mr. McCarthy would provide some video or pictorial evidence that modern Egyptian crucifixion is actually occurring. Difficult to call the State department and demand an inquiry without it.
It looks as if whoever was “crucified” was taken down immediately- before many pics could be taken. As many have suggested we have cell phones now. I don’t buy it.
Although if this is occuring, not to start a fight but just how is this different than hanging loyalists up by the thumbs?
Morsi is watching the polls just like any other politician and knows he will be out on his ear if he tries to establish a non-secular State or discriminate against minority Christians.
Morsi will do whatever he damn pleases to Christians, whenever he wants to.
And what is the response of the Obama administration today… that they are working out an aid package to “assist Democracy” in Egypt that includes forgiving $1 billion of their debt!!! So much for holding back aid until human rights are respected. The Congress tried that at the outset and Obama circumvented them and gave Egypt the aid anyway! Could this be a sign of the “Unholy Alliance” between the American left and radical Islam that has been written about? It would sure explain a whole lot of things that just don’t make any sense if American interests and values are being considered.
Just like there were moderate Nazis in the 30s and 40s, there are moderate Muslims now. Islam itself cannot be moderate because of the words written in the Koran. Islam will always be a force that is anti-Christ, anti-Christian and anti-civilization. This cannot change.
in news and videos of stonings, beheadings, burning victims alive, assorted honor killings, etc., has terrorized most Americans into a state of numb, paralyzed shock already. What else can explain our sheep-like submissive response to Fort Hood allahu akbar mass murderer Nidal Hasan’s refusal even to shave his beard, or our falling to our knees in craven, silent obedience to torturer-in-chief Barack Hussein Obama as he brazenly, gleefully, rubs our noses in those Fort Hood murders by classifying Hasan’s Islam-inspired rampage an incident of “workplace violence”?
Most of these comments batted back and forth posted above read like those of a seventh grade playground’s taunts about who’s the best Yankees pitcher, foisted about by those who routinely watch ice hockey. They’re all over the heads and shoulders and past the ear flaps.
Personally, I’m nourishing the image of a certain delicious, dark, cloudy expectancy hanging over these inexperienced Muslims in these artificially bounded “countries” created out of Italian, French and British colonial fiefdoms….each sect/faction playing violently at “Democracy” and making their imams and mullahs jiggle their knees. Let’s encourage these smoldering, butchering divisions inside Muslim controlled areas…without our massed troops and our overweight, cumbersome infrastructure.
This really is raw, very raw, democracy. Let’s keep our mouths shut and our boots out of their turf.
And, we all of us, must accept while never forgetting that we Westerners simply don’t have the same thought processes as Asian Muslims….subject matter notwithstanding.
We.Don’t.Think.The.Same.Way.
So, Dear Readers, unless you’ve lived and worked in Asia for a number of years, any part of Asia, recognize the bright harshness that we who depend upon th’Media for our information are at a honking disadvantage. The reporters are mostly newly assigned. They need headlines.
That’s why I keep insisting that our containment/isolation of Central and West Asia……along with the development of our own petroleum sources…..is the best of several difficult choices.
The Chinese, the most solidly pragmatic folks on Earth, shake their heads in wonderment at our silly mandates for our prohibiting the off-shore drilling of our own reserves.
OK….there’s the End Recess Bell Ringing….back to the learning rooms, boys and girls.
[....and let's not get started on the qualifications of our elected/appointed Teachers.....]
Raymond Ibrahim a trustworthy source.
Suggest all of the readers here look this up and read it slowly:
“Crucifixions, Not Fictions
by Raymond Ibrahim
Investigative Project on Terrorism
September 4, 2012″
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Expounding on this cogent article, here is some food for thought- google ‘Adina Kutnicki’ and my blog will pop up.Links bounce.
Read ‘Republican National Convention Heralds ‘Arab Spring’…Oblivious To The Arab/Muslim Nightmare’ (8/29/12),
‘The Subversion Of America Through The Fault-Lines of Democracy….Muslims In America Plotting In Plain Sight…With Their Leftist Counterparts’ (9/2/12)
and, this is just for starters!