The Wages of Willful Blindness: Is It Time for Defenders of Liberty to Abandon the GOP?
The fall-out from this line of thinking is that we must conclude mainstream Islam, everywhere on earth including the Middle East, has nothing to do with violence, and therefore, it is “moderate,” and even “admirable.” Sure, it may be advocating the adoption of something called “sharia,” but we needn’t worry about that. After all, we have Western scholars of Islamic studies (mostly working in university departments created by lavish donations from Saudi royals) who will tell you that sharia is amorphous and evolving — such that nobody really knows exactly what it is, anyway. Consequently, nothing to see here, move along. You are to accept as an article of faith that there is no reason to believe people steeped in mainstream Islam will resist real democracy or that they will remain hostile to the United States. And, yeah, sure they are opposed to Israel, but that is just a “political dispute” about “territory”; it has nothing to do with ideology or mainstream Islam per se.
This is why there is such an energetic effort on behalf of the Obama administration and leading Republican establishment figures to portray the Muslim Brotherhood as a “largely secular” organization that you should think of as a “pragmatic,” “moderate” “political party” (or a series of “political parties,” “think tanks” and “political action committees”). You are not to see it the way it sees itself, and the way it actually is: an ideological movement rooted in the mainstream, supremacist interpretation of Islam that is undeniably regnant in the Middle East.
This is why the Obama administration and the Republican establishment work so hard to ignore the Brotherhood’s anthem: “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Koran is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!” This is why they labor to obscure the connection between the Brotherhood and Hamas, the Brotherhood’s Palestinian branch. This is why they are now trying to revise our understanding of Hamas: To borrow not only from Obama officials but from the meanderings of such top Bush administration figures as Condi Rice, you are subtly encouraged to start viewing Hamas as not a terrorist organization but a political “resistance” movement, engaged in some regrettable violence that is vaguely justifiable because Israel is an illegal, oppressive occupier.
Under this delusional view of our threat environment, the Muslim Brotherhood is not an ideological enemy to be feared but a political organization to be negotiated with and accommodated. You know, just like any other political entity. Thus, our security is not furthered by heightened surveillance of Islamic organizations (very much including Brotherhood organizations) that preach supremacist ideology. Islam, you are to understand, is not a problem. Rinse and repeat: The only problem is violent extremism, which has nothing to do with Islam.
Furthermore, in the world according to the Obama Left and the Republican establishment, since our security is not threatened by Islamist organizations, we must “partner” with them. After all, they simply must be innately non-violent; thus, the reasoning goes, if we accommodate them politically (i.e., accede to their calls for incremental acceptance of sharia), they will work with us in good faith and strive to keep young Muslims away from violent extremists. Funny, but it seems that even though Islam has nothing to do with “violent extremism,” young Muslims and violent extremists somehow keep finding each other.
When Senator McCain and his lemmings rebuke House conservatives for purportedly attacking Huma Abedin’s “patriotism,” there are two things at work. First, when the facts are against you — as they usually are against Sen. McCain — demagoguery and character assassination are the most effective response: The compliant, Islamophilic media will help intimidate your opponents into silence. We all are very familiar with this tactic. But we often miss the second tactic, which is more important because it goes directly to our conception of “patriotism.”
“Under this delusional view of our threat environment, the Muslim Brotherhood is not an ideological enemy to be feared but a political organization to be negotiated with and accommodated.”
Actually I would say that the real threat of the MB is that it is a political organization. It’s a political organization that may soon effectively control several states in the Middle East (thanks in part to US help!). This is a demonstration of its strength – both cultural and political.
Strength is naturally attractive to a weaker party. While our elite is wealthy they are culturally weak and will naturally defer to a culture that can defend itself without apology (or can attack!).
Don’t forget that the elites also hate and fear conservatives. Islamists are a powerful ally that can be allied with against local conservatives. I’d point out that in the same way American Indians would attempt to ally themselves with new European colonists against enemy Indian tribes.
The Mohammad ‘INVENTED’ CULT of Islam is not a religion in the true sense of it at all. It is a ‘cradle to grave’ set of INSTRUCTIONS and LAWS on how to live your life from ‘how many stones to use to wipe your arse’ to’ How big a stick to use to BEAT your wife’ and ‘how to treat your SLAVE’. Muslims and their moonbat apologists who try to pass this off by saying the Bible is violent too completely miss the point. The Bible is largely HISTORICAL and DESCRIPTIVE and is written by MEN in praise of God. Whereas Muslims claim and the Koran itself claims it to be the ‘ACTUAL and UNALTERABLE’ word of their God. So that means all the turgid, repetitive, illogical, mistake ridden, misogynistic, contradictory, antisemitic, plagiarism and Arab supremacist nonsense which fills the Koran must be what their evil ‘Allah’ is really like. Unlike the Judeo/Christian God Allah is a violent vengeful illogical being.
There may be ‘moderate’ Muslims , it is THEY who are the real misunderstanders of Islam, but there is no ‘MODERATE’ ISLAM, and no chance of reformation either what mere mortal can change a God’s ACTUAL and UNALTERABLE words.
They and it also claim it to be ‘For ALL men for ALL time’ so any historical excuse offered by Muslims for the content of the Koran is void.
Pragmatist, you got that right….and then some.
Does anyone in their sane mind believe that the commentaries/op-eds flowing out of my blog are for nothing? If so, they are the crazies.
The following is my latest ‘knock your socks off’ commentary re the ‘religion of peace’, with more to be updated as I write this – ‘Mossad’s Double Mission…Hunting Down Soldiers for Allah…’ found at http://www.adinakutnicki.com
Pass it on!!
Scroll down the HOME tab, you will find much more about the MB, the progenitor of ALL the Islamic terror groups!Those who continue to ‘kosher’ over the Islamic pig are complicit in their actions.
Simple as that.
Adina – I have been reading your blog off and on for some time along with other Israeli sources. FYI, I am a friend of Israel who has lived there twice for a total period of over a year. I lived in Ashqelon and the 2nd time the town was in range of rockets from Gaza. I found that not all Israeli Arabs are unreasonable. One I know could not say out loud what he thought in private but he did appreciate the freedom afforded him. He lived in Jerusalem’s Old City.
Many of us made a study of modern Islam through various sources back in the 90′s when the threat became plain.
The question in the US is whether we can allow the current trend to continue. If we do allow it then we will find ourselves at junction of wretchard’s 3 conjectures sooner rather than later.
The RINOs in the GoP need to be retired or the political landscape needs to change radically in the US.
Well yes but to take the opposite side for a moment, I think there is hope in that with cultural evolution (mostly prosperity and women’s rights) will come to treat their religion (such that it is) the same way catholics do. Ie, do you know (or have ever heard) of a catholic who actually practices what the pope teaches?
I am curious at the headline and the timing of Mr. McCarthy’s article. He ignores two important facts: (1) the Republican Party is, as we speak, in the process of changing. The McCains are finding it hard to win primaries. The Bachmanns are prevailing. This is no time to abandon the GOP–it’s time to press the transformation home; (2) If we choose this particular moment to abandon the GOP, we will lose all the elections: Mr. Obama will be re-elected, the House, Senate and Supreme Court will be controlled by the Democrats, and the country will cease to exist.
Mr. Mc Carthy’s analysis of Islam is cogent and well-expressed. His corollary re. the GOP is inaccurate except for the entrenched RNC types, who are on their way out, and his suggestion that we jump ship in an election year which will literally decide our survival, is ludicrous.
We have a case here of needing to market his post. A better title would have been “The Drive for Islamic Supremacy is the Danger Not ‘Violent Extremest’.” While Obama, or whoever he is, is trying to transform America conservatives are transforming the Republican Party. A very informative argument poorly framed.
Mr. McCarthy, Any traditional conservative can be proud of your work on our behalf. You ask if it’s time for us to abandon the GOP. I already left them because they are not conservative. Their foreign policy is to invite the world and invade the world. If we had an immigration policy that looked out for native born citizens 9-11 would never happened. If we did not allow Muslims into our country in the first place, then we wouldn’t even have to worry if Homeland Security or the CIA missed any signs. Our politicians always care about people in other countries more than they care about their own; especially G.W.Bush, J.McCain, and C. Rice, and L.Graham. It’s criminal but I see no signs of any change.
I agree with you. The only way to deal with the Muslim Problem is to eliminate them from our land.
Indeed, these are the warning signs America…enough reason to ban Muslims…
“moderate” ( nonsense ) or otherwise from our politics, voting, military and be excluded from our Republic and recognize that they are an enemy of the West and Democracy throughout the world.
Our elected leaders have a sworn obligation to discuss this, expose it and realize it’s a definite National Security issue.
Ah. A “final solution to the Muslim problem”, then?
If the United States cannot defend it’s ideals and ideology against Islamic theocracy in a free forum of ideas, that very forum we purport to support with such concepts as freedom of speech and religion, then we deserve to lose. And if we abandon those ideals to “defend” them, we only lose faster.
Nice try Kevin. Using Nazi Holocaust rhetoric to try and convince us that its better to talk our way out of a violent confrontation that the other side has already initiated – with gusto – puts you squarely in the appeaser establishment camp that the article indicts.
Just using Eric’s own terminology, Harry. If the shoe fits…
Mr. Cross, you are either dishonest, a fool, or both. Islam is a political ideology in religious trappings, and has sworn that all non-Muslims have three choices: convert, be enslaved, or die. Which do you choose?
Actually, the last time I checked, we do have a 1st amendment in the constitution that allows freedom of religion in this country. If we abandon that in order to deal with the threat of Sharia, then we are already doomed. Your solutions are similar to FDR’s and Wilson’s internment of enemies based not on any action they have taken, but based upon their religion. If we pursue this, then will it be the Christians or the Jews who become the next threat?
Ben Franklin once stated that “They that give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Thomas Paine stated, “He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”
When you advocate such actions against muslims, who are a very real enemy to our liberty, you are advocating such actions against yourself. There must be another solution which does not violate these principles.
As I recently read elsewhere, this is a new phase in a very old war. Conflicts have always been a part of trying to establish and flourish in a civil society from the beginning. The challenge for us is how to deal with a religious belief whose creed is one of conversion, submission or annihilation. There is a gradual formulation for the acceptance of Sharia which becomes more aggressive as their population increases. For the most part, this young nation of ours enjoyed freedom of religion. As it stands today, I believe we are in trouble. While we must be active in the public forum, we cannot be successful on our own merits. We need to recognize that Divine assistance is necessary to this threat to future generations of this once great republic. Yes, God has blessed America and we responded by throwing Him out of our consciousness. For the record, I do not believe that I am praying to the same God as any Muslim. As in the decisive Battle of Lepanto in 1571 when the Ottoman Turks (Muslims) were defeated and Islamic expansion into Europe was thwarted for centuries, heartfelt prayer for wisdom and guidance must be our defense. There are Muslims who are leaving behind their former beliefs to start a new life. They must be assisted as many are shunned and ostracized from their families and are fortunate to leave with their lives. This is our moment in history.
What do I choose, SDN? I choose to fight.
But not by adopting their tactics and systems. Not by failing to live up to what is expected of me as an American. Not by destroying everything that is good about our nation in some mindless adherence to rhetoric and propaganda. Not by accepting a fascist police-state in place of freedom and democracy.
If we win this war of ideology, it will be because freedom is STRONGER than Islam, that Liberty is more powerful than ANY religion, because it encompasses ALL religions (and even the lack therof). Ideologies can be fought by weapons, but they can only be defeated by a STRONGER ideology – and we have the strongest there is.
But we can lose. And you, and Eric, are the weakness that may destroy us. In abandoning our commitment to those ideals, you become a fifth column, undermining our strength and our belief in ourselves.
I am not afraid of the Muslims in America. Every day, they are more exposed to liberty – and it is that which will win them over. I am not afraid of the Terrorists. All they can do is kill me, and I don’t fear death. But you? I fear you – because you can destroy everything that matters.
Mr. Cross – al Qaeda declared war on the US in the 90′s. Even Billy BJ scoffed.
The war is not of our choosing. It has chosen us.
Wake up.
R Daneel (last name Olivaw? If so, very cool!), I have no problem with the use of violence against the violent. But while Mr. McCarthy makes a good case for the ideological nature of our struggle with Islam, and their desire to spread Islam and Sharia-based law, it would be a serious mistake to brand all muslims the same as regards the use of violence. Many of them will condone the violence, but will not commit it; others will neither commit it nor condone it.
Indonesia is the largest(by population) Muslim nation on earth. I have my problems with it, but it has a government that is strongly comitted to a secular state, and cracks down quite hard on Islamic radicals in it’s own population. The same is true of many of the SE Asian nations.
We must fight the ideology of Islam. But if we fail to deal with the adherents to Islam as individuals, that fight becomes only more difficult, as they see them selves, rightly, as an oppressed minority. Use violence against the violent – but use civil discourse for the civil.
Shunning and shaming will do nicely. No need to get overwrought with visions of a new Trail of Tears or Japanese interrment camps or ovens. All we have to do internally is play to reality and tell the followers of Islam that they are welcome here on the terms of the original social contracr only. That means they must abide tolerance for all other beliefs present at the town square. They will get no hearing for grievances that do violence to our social compact. Its simple as that.
I really don’t care. Our “final solution” is merely to relocate them back to where they came from, (and I don’t care how many “American” kids they have) NOT kill them. And all the high and mighty standards we have in the world won’t make a lick of difference if we’re being noble while being slaves. These people are patient and they either want us converted, slaves or dead. There is no other option with these people.
So what happens if their home country refuses to take them back? Or if no nation wants to accept the refugees? Do you give up, or commit genocide?
If the United States cannot defend it’s ideals and ideology against Islamic theocracy in a free forum of ideas, that very forum we purport to support with such concepts as freedom of speech and religion
The United States is not supposed to be “a free forum of ideas”. It’s supposed to be a place where certain ideas hold sway.
What is freedom of speech if not a free forum for ideals and thoughts? Of what value are our ideologies if we close our eyes and ears to others?
We are a free people. Free to choose what ideals we want to live by – not straitjacketed into what YOU want.
On one issue I agree with you, Mr. Cross – that we must not condescend to the level of violence. However, you seem to be implying that Islam is no different from other religions and we must, therefore, simply give in to Islamic violence because our constitution grants Muslims the right to worship as they fit. On that, if it is what you are really saying, we will part ways.
While we must guarantee freedom of religion, we also must fight violent religious extremism every way possible, including going to war if necessary. War must be a last resort, of course, and in the meantime we must engage in condemning in the strongest terems possible the violence that is associated with Islam. Our congressmen and the presidency must come together to insist on religious freedom in Islamic countries, imposing sanctions where necessary, and deporting Islamist extremists before they wreak havoc. Unfortunately, we have, instead, a president who is suspiciously sympathetic to Islamic extremists. We are in trouble!
No, Dee, I am not saying we should allow the violence. What I am saying is that, by the laws of this land, they have the absolute right to freedom of worship and speech, just like the rest of us.
When rhetoric becomes threat, when demonstration becomes riot, then the perpetrators, and I care not one whit who they are or for what reason they act, must be dealt with, properly and under law. To use violence against the violent is always acceptable. What is not, is to use violence against those merely utilizing the rights we all cherish, enshrined in our laws and Constitution. Nietzche’s famous quote about the Abyss comes to mind – we must not so lose ourselves in the conflict that we kill all that is good and right within us. And we must be careful not to make the mistakes of the past – acts like the internment of the Japanese in World War Two remain a stain on our national honour.
Terrorism is with us today. That genie cannot be put back in it’s bottle. But as long as we do not bow to it, that we hold those who conduct it accountable, and do not let it push us into abandoning our ideals, it has no power over us.
Actually Japanese Internment during WW2 was good policy. And it is more important that you win the War, so that you can return to your ideals and principles and a Constitutional basis, instead of “the Other” winning the war and implementing their German, Japanese, Islamic ideas of governance and societal structure.
Firebombing German and Japanese cities full of women and children (and later nuking them) arent expressions of our principles and values, but they are necessary to overcome the existential threat.
That’s just the way it is bro. The Constitution isnt a suicide pact.
I could accept that if we’d also interned German, Italian and Romanian civlians…but we didn’t. And we had evidence that the German really WERE trying to use German-Americans as a fifth column, when the Japanese did not.
They considered it (especailly German) but it was impractical as their were both more Germans (a substantial percentage of the population) and more difficult to make effective because European Germans could blend in and use false names. Yes German espionage was much more successful than Japanese because of this. Japanese was nearly non-existant. They relied on the Germans for intelligence on the US mainland.
Ill state it again. Japanese human intelligence on the US mainland was crippled to near nil…through the entire war because of the internment. It was good policy…if the goal is to win the war…instead of play politically correct games with our national security.
You don’t have to be a constitutional or Islamic scholar to readily understand an individual can’t be loyal to the Constitution and loyal to Islam. Expel and raze. Our very survival as a free people depends upon it.
Amen to KITTY AMERICA. 3 years ago..I bought and read Brigitte Gabriels book
“they must be stopped” She knew what was coming to America: to me..it looks like they are here: and Now…the Enemy is US.
If we ever get a conservative Senate and House…and President.. an Ammendment to our treasured Consitution must be made to ONLY ALLOW people into the Country who adhere to the JUDEO Christian principles…set forth by our Founding fathers.
The founding fathers were hardly “Judeo-Christian.” They were either Deists (which today we’d call either Atheists or Agnostics) or Protestants in the greatest amount, a few Catholics. Some were activel anti-clerical, and none of the major leaders were highly religious.
They created a nation for ALL religions. To forget that is to lose the most important aspects of religious liberty – and to hand the country to the theocrats (Muslim, Christian – there is no true difference, they all only want power) on a plate.
The First Amendment protects adherents to Islam. That protection for them comes at a price. Their evengelizing rightsand practicesmust confrom to observing the rights of those who do not believe as they do.
However, the statement of asserion that the founders were Deist and not Christian is a weaving of a blanket made from a single flimsy thread. IOW, its really dishonest, in the main.
The founders of our country realized that an institutional seperation of church and state was an absolute. However, an acceptance of Judeo-Christian doctrine was an essential foundation for freedom. Whether diest, athiest or agnostic, the founders realized and agreed that, in reguard to Judeo-Christian beliefs in general, there was no doctrinal seperation of church and state in this new country.
They created a nation for ALL religions.
Really? They somehow failed to mention this in any of their writings.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”
They wrote it in the only place that really means anything.
Steve M., Thank you. Below is just one example of our founding fathers’ intentions.
John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson dated June 28, 1813,said
“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity”
Dude, read the State Constitutions at the time of the creation of the USofA, this country was a confederation of explicitly Christian States, a weak confederation. The Establishment Clause is a Federalist restriction on the Central Government, not a general principle of governance.
Voiciferously asserting your ignorance as historical truth isnt pretty.
Escape Velocity, you’re right. This nation WAS founded as a loose confederation of states with a weak central government. It was called the Confederation of American States, and that system FAILED UTTERLY.
When they came to write our SECOND, and CURRENT Constitution, They gave significantly more power to the Federal Government, including the SUPREMACY CLAUSE, which REQUIRES that the State Constitutions be subordinate to and give equal or greater rights to their citizens as the Federal. It is, in fact, a dishonor and failing of those backward states which have, in some ways, failed to do so.
Even if that were not so, the 14th Amendment effectively applies all such restrictions to the states.
This is a multi-religion country, and always has been. Today, Christianity is being knocked off it’s pedestal as the dominant religion – and I can’t help but feel that this is good both for our nation, and for Christianity, which can no longer rest on it’s previous acheivements. But by law and by our Constitution, the highest of all laws in our land, we have freedom of religion – whether you like it or not.
Kevin, the Establishment Clause is a restriction on Congress and the Federal Government.
The Supremacy Clause doesnt apply, because all the States are in concurence with that restriction…as pronouncements on those issues were reserved to the respective States. The Establishment Clause does not restrict the State Legislatures, but rather Congress.
Regurgitate the lies youve ignorantly swallowed to other ignoramouses ripe for the indoctrination. Here the truth will be stated and ignorance and Leftwing propaganda dispelled.
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Moreover, the Framers intended the powers and limitations contained in the U.S. Constitution to apply only to the federal government and not to the States. For example, in the famous case of Barron v. Baltimore, the Plaintiff sued to apply the Fifth Amendment to the City of Baltimore. In its holding, U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall wrote:
The constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own government, and not for the government of the individual States. Each State established a constitution for itself, and in that constitution, provided such limitations and restrictions on the powers of its particular government, as its judgment dictated. * * * If these propositions be correct, the fifth amendment must be understood as restraining the power of the general government, not as applicable to the states.22
For over one-hundred and fifty years, this was the original intent regarding the scope and jurisdiction of the Constitution, the national government and the Bill of Rights.
However in 1947, the Supreme Court, in Everson v. Board of Education,23 used Jefferson’s Danbury letter as a pretext to disregard centuries of legal tradition in the common law, the Declaration of Independence, the writings of the founding fathers, the notes and records of the Constitutional Convention and over a century of American constitutional jurisprudence. With the stroke of a pen, the Court created a new “law” by incorporating the Fourteenth Amendment (which dealt exclusively with specific State powers) with the First Amendment’s federal provision against an “establishment of religion”.
The result of this legal hocus pocus was devastating: first, the Court reversed 150 years of Constitutional precedent which limited the First Amendment’s application to Congress, i.e., the national government; second, the Court declared that federal courts were now empowered to restrict not only the religious activities of the national government, but the religious expressions of the people and the States as well. Five years later in Zorach, the Court tried in vain to resuscitate the First Amendment’s original intent:
We are a religious people who institutions presuppose a Supreme Being. When the state encourages religious authorities. . . it follows the best of our traditions. For it then respects the religious nature of our people. . . . To hold that it may not would be to find in the Constitution a requirement that the government show a callous indifference to religious group. That would be preferring those who believe in no religion over those who do believe. . . .[W]e cannot read into the Bill of Rights such a philosophy of hostility to religion.24
“There is simply no historical foundation for the proposition,” wrote Chief Justice Rehnquist in his dissent in Wallace v. Jaffree,25 “that the Framers intended to build the ‘wall of separation’ that was constitutionalized in Everson. But the greatest injury of the ‘wall’ notion,” continued Justice Rehnquist, is the mischievous diversion of judges from the actual intentions of the drafters of the Bill of Rights. [N]o amount of repetition of historical errors in judicial opinions can make the errors true. The “wall of separation between church and state” is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned.26
Ultimately, however, the Everson case and its progeny prevailed.27
Although the First Amendment reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. . ., ” most of the Court’s recent decisions in this area involve neither Congress nor the “making of a law.” For example, in Lee v. Weisman, the Court equates a Rabbi at a high school graduation ceremony with “Congress” and Rabbi’s prayer during the graduation ceremony as the “making of a law.” Indeed, using the Court’s criteria, the First Amendment is internally inconsistent: a person’s right to “free exercise” of religion may now collide with the prohibited “establishment” of a religion.
Moreover, contrary to the intent of the Framers, the Court now believes that it alone has “secret knowledge” 28 to decide what is “constitutional” for the rest of the nation. For example, in Boerne v. Flores29 decided July, 1997, the Court held that Congress’ attempt to protect the religious liberties of the people by passing the Religious Freedom and Restoration Act (RFRA) was “unconstitutional.” In its holding the Court opined that RFRA was “not a proper exercise of Congress’ enforcement power because it contradicts vital principles necessary to maintain separation of powers and the federal-state balance.”
Finally, the Constitutional Framers understood that government encouragement of religion was not equal to the establishment of religion; that, as George Washington said, “religion and morality were indispensable supports” to political prosperity.30 Indeed, on the day the First Amendment was passed by the Congress in 1789, Washington accepted Congress’ charge to proclaim a day of “public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God.” As Chief Justice Rehnquist opined in the Jaffree case, “History must judge whether it was the Father of our country in 1789, or. . . the Court . . . which has strayed from the meaning of the Establishment Clause.”31
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/fall98/original.html/
This is a multi-religion country, and always has been. Today, Christianity is being knocked off it’s pedestal as the dominant religion – and I can’t help but feel that this is good both for our nation, and for Christianity, which can no longer rest on it’s previous acheivements. But by law and by our Constitution, the highest of all laws in our land, we have freedom of religion – whether you like it or not.
Now imagine that this was being said by a group of Leftwingers and Arab Muslims directed at Israel and Israeli Jews. That should imediately show you just how ugly it is.
But it’s good that people like Kevin clearly articulate their hostility, so you know exactly where they are coming from….they champion the disempowerment of Christians in their own country, and the empowerment of others (often hostiles). Just as many champion the disempowerment of Jews in their own country, and the empowerment of others in their place.
This is where we are folks, in the European Christian West in the Early 21rst Century. It’s not going to end well, especially for hostile minorities, but everyone will share in the misery of the Left’s making.
Escape Velocity, thank you for the clarity of your reply and your clear reasoning. However, you are still quite completely wrong.
The founders may well have only wanted the first ten gto apply to Congress. But so what? We have moved beyond their comprehension of society and freedom, to a more just and equitable one. The 14th amendment’s first clause is quite clear:
“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
This is NOT IN ANY WAY something “which dealt exclusively with specific State powers”. It is an overall DENIAL of the right of the states to deprive their citizens of the full range of protections the Constitution provides to ALL OF US. Incorporation was not “new law” at all – it was the natural requirement of the change, legal and ratified, of the supreme law of the land.
As to Rehnquist, well, it would not be the first time he got it dead wrong. He made the mistake of conflating the majority with the nation – and forgot that democracy is not the Will of the Majority, but actually the will of the majority with respect for the rights of the minority. And that while the majority of Americans were, and remain, Protestant Christians, a significant minority of other faiths and creeds has ALWAYS been here, Jews, Catholics, Orthodox, Muslims, Confucionists, Daoists, the various native traditions – and ALL protected by our nation’s clear, concise and SECULAR constitution.
You say that this overturned 150 years of legal tradition. You’re quite right. What you don’t mention was that it was 150 years of foul, corrupt and racist tradition, the tradition of Dred Scott, slavery and Jim Crow, of state sanctioned murder and land theft and the suppression of dissenting voices. There is nothing in that tide of evil that the 14th swept away worth keeping.
You base everything here on the doctrine of Original Intent. But what is that doctrine? I’ll tell you – the meaningless drivel of men long dead. The intent of Jefferson, Addams, all the rest, even when we THINK we know it (and any hypothesis you put forward, I can find a dozen quotes to the contrary), is utterly irrelevant. What they WANTED doesn’t matter in any way – only what they wrote. The words and information in the Constitution itself, clear and concise, and the interpretation the Supreme Court makes of them. (And what “secret knowledge” does the Supreme Court have? Only this: IT’S THEIR JOB, STUPID!)
Next time you cut and paste an argument, make it one that isn’t as dumb as this one.
What you don’t mention was that it was 150 years of foul, corrupt and racist tradition, – Kevin
There you have it folks. This is exactly the language attacking the Jewish State of Israel these days. It’s down right ugly hate mongering and demonization.
The Euro-Christian tradition is 150 years of foul, corrupt, racist tradition.
If you dont silently and gleefully commit cultural suicide in the face of Islam, and choose instead to continue to exist as a going concern, instead of willfully embracing dhimmitude, well, that marks you out as beyond the pale.
The choice is yours.
EV, I really don’t understand you.
You seem to want to destroy the very thing you claim to support – The USA. You want to turn back the clock to a time when we were barbaric and primitive, when we enslaved and murdered for the horrible “crime” of difference.
We got BETTER. We learned to respect other peoples, to take their unique and valuable attributes and use them to improve ourselves, while offering the best of ourselves to others. Not that we didn’t make plenty of mistakes – but we were honestly trying to be better. To live up to the beautiful words we were taught in school, that our nation was founded upon. Liberty. Equality. Justice.
You would turn us back to the days when those words were empty, when if you weren’t the chosen people they didn’t apply to you. Yes, a foul, corrupt and evil tradition – and one fully supported by the churches and “holy” men of their day.
You seem to want other people to be able to tell you what you could or could not read, watch, listen to. For others to tell you what church you will go to, what god you will pray to.
Let me be very clear. I am a free man. And I will gladly send anyone who tries to take my freedoms to their heaven or hell. And the guarantee of my freedom is the Constitution, and the REALITY that it restricts ALL government, Federal, State, Local, School, whatever, from telling me what I am or should be. Compared to that, your “Euro-Christain Tradition” isn’t worth two bits.
Obviously you dont understand Kevin.
There are 2 points I would like to make, to help you gain some understanding. The first is that even if the Establishment Clause is broadened, it still is oppression when the majority population of Christians are dissallowed from speaking and acting as Christians in public institutions…like prayers over the address system before football games, school prayer, etc. The government actively preventing Christians from living free from government infringment upon them. This is outrageous.
Secondly, you must have very limited knowledge and experience in the world. You do know that many European countries have official Churches, do you not? Yet you certainly wouldnt describe them as theocracies, would you? The Brits even still have seats for the Church of England in the House of Lords.
You see, you can still maintain freedom of conscience, whilst the majority of Christians pray at schools, and we have official Christian national holidays(and not other faiths holidays recognized by government as offical holidays). This isnt theocracy, this is actually freedom of religion. Minority faiths must recognize that they live as minorities amongst Christians, and let Christians be Christians. Infringing upon Christians ability to go about their life, doesnt enamour minroity faiths and atheists to Christians, whom would let them for the most part go about their own business as well.
Now getting back to Islam and the US specifically. In the US we slowly expanded religious freedom in this country, and for the most part it has worked nicely, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and even nutty Neo-Pagans for the most part can get along. Christianity, especially Protestant Christianity for the most part is very classically liberal in its outlook, stemming from their understanding of biblical metaphysics (which underpins the system of governance that we created)….that man must be free to choose to walk with God or reject him, as that is the only way to salvation and the individual soul (individual freedom) is the primary concern of God. Coercion by force doesnt get the coerced to the Pearly Gates. This underpins our system that we have in ways that you clearly dont understand. You dont appreciate that you live in a Euro-Christian majority country, created by Euro-Christians according to their metaphysical beliefs…and that those Christians continue to support and reinforce these systems because of their beliefs.
If this country were to change to Muslim majority country, because we failed to discriminate against them in immigration policy (which is supposed to be based on serving the interests of the citizens) and they wage babyfare against us (like is happening in Europe)….then you will quickly see what happens when that support no longer exists and Islamic belief systems become the majority of the population. Islam does not believe in freedom of religion (freedom of concience) that men should be free to get right with God). Shariah Law, Islamic Supremacy, Muslim Supremacy, limited tolerance of other religious faiths (People of the Book may remain so, but as dhimmis (second class human beings) paying the Jizya)…and so on and so forth. We cant force them to change, but we can keep them out and away to protect our own liberty from their supremacist hositlity.
Islam doesnt believe in freedom of religion, if you wish to defend and support freedom of religion, then you will oppose Islam AND IT’s AGENTS, Muslims.
Hope that clears things up for you.
Christian dominion, does not = persecution of minrority faiths, or theocracy. Just as living in Israel as a Christian is a rather pleasant experience in general even with it’s Jewish dominion, and Israel’s support for Jewish religion, culture, and promotion. One can still live freely as a Christian.
But alas…
Or an Atheist, or Agnostic, or Scientologist…
And one more thing. It might be a bit different is this were a small cult. However Islam and it’s agents control 25% to 33% of the worlds land mass and its resources and the same percentage of the planets nation states…..and the same percentage of the world’s population round about.
This isnt a triffling group of people…but a global power.
Wake up. Dont be a useful idiot.
Actually, EV, I’m well aware of the situation in Europe (and elsewhere – did you know that Australia technically has the Anglican Church as a state church?) as I’ve been there. I travelled extensively in my youth, and though I am no longer a young man, my work takes me to various states regularly.
And yes, for the most part, those religions don’t infringe on the rights of tose who do not believe in them. But note that “for the most part”. Because I’ve seen compulsory school prayers in Italy, and students punished for not participating. And eagle-eyed customs officials, alert to prevent any hint of banned material entering their nations…things like Paine’s Common Sense (no joke. My copy was confiscated at the Spanish border). Because the other thing NONE of those countries has is freedom of speech – the vast majority have, instead, vigorous and effective censorship.
I would also note, you seem to quite misunderstand the situation as regards Christians and the courts in the US. Christianity is in no way being suppressed here. It simply isn’t being allowed to dominate. Students are perfectly welcome to pray, as long as it’s just them praying – not official prayers in school assemblies, and not forced prayers where students could face official or peer punishments for refusing. Christians have the absolute right to worship as they see fit. They just don’t have any right to force anyone else to join in, or monopolise public space for their symbols and signs (you want a 50′ cross? Fine. Put it on your own land).
As to holidays, there’s never really been a problem with them here. The annual “war on Christmas” is a beat-up by the sensationalist news rags, fed by the occasional idiot who’s too afraid of “offending” someone to allow traditional (and usually not very Christian) observances. The only instance of Christmas being attacked here was in the early colonies…by Christians, who saw it as frivolous and idolatrous. The Atheists and Jews I know like Christmas just fine – they just consider they’re celebrating family and what’s good in humankind.
I must, however, take issue with your final statement. Israel has VERY strong legal prohibitions against the government messing with other people’s religions, besides which, Judaism, post-diaspora, has been a tolerant and flexible faith (not, to be fair, that they’ve had much choice). Christianity…has not. In fact, traditionally, Christianity has been far less tolerant that Islam. If you weren’t Christian, or were the wrong kind of Christian, you were taking your life in your hands to enter any community. Catholic vs. Protestant vs. Orthodox vs. Coptic – it was always acceptable to persecute the “wrong kind”.
And that’s not just Europe. Don’t forget the KKK, a VERY popular organizatio in the early part of the 20th Century, was against Catholics and Jews as much as Blacks.
Christianity, where it has been allowed to dominate, has ruled with a bloody hand. The followers of the “Prince of Peace” have made war with gusto on any they saw as different.
Today…is not different. Christians in Africa engage in witch-hunts and murder “witch children”. Laws for the death of Homosexuals are being pushed for…with the full support of AMERICAN evangelists. And I have heard with my own ears calls by evangelists to disenfranchise anyone who is not “born again”.
You say that Christian dominion will not result in religious persecution of minorities. I’m sorry, but with the history of Christianity laid out like a book for anyone to read, I cannot believe you. Christian leadership has shown it’s murderousness too many times for it to get the benefit of the doubt now.
It occrs to me that the above may seem an attack on you, EV. That was not my intent. If it were you in charge, I would have less problem – you have been forthright, clear and honest, things I value, even though we have disagreed.
But in a Christian-dominated America, you would not be in charge. And to trust someone, Christian or no, with such power over others? One of the things we rid ourselves of in the late 18th century were Kings. I am in no hurry to emplace a religion on the throne of the despot.
So to wrap things up, Kevin is fine with Jews having a country, but not Christians.
BTW Kevin, when you silence Christian speech on the public address system at football games YOU ARE PREVENTING CHRISTIANS FROM PRACTICING THEIR FAITH.
But you really dont care about that, you care about FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.
Folks like you are a dime a dozen.
I agree there should be no forced prayers, but non Christians will just have to suffer through listening to the majority population do their thing. And we can have Bible Study in school, non-Christians can opt out.
And yes Christianity has been attacked by Atheists and Jews especially (though it was the Catholic Church that ran Protestant Christian Cirricula out of New York Public Schools but you know what everyone thinks of those Know Nothings who were concerned about exactly this kind of thing).
But alas…
Forked Tongue Liberals gonna preach their intolerance (of majority Christianity) as tolerance, (similar to how they promote legalized racial discrimination and call it anti-racism). and the infringement upon Christian rights to freely practice their religion and freely speak in the public institutions…and call it protection of freedom.
Ive heard it all before.
Just one more thing, Kevin.
When you look at the world, and compare Christian majority nations to Muslim majority nations, can you see any differences?
If so, where do you think these differences come from?
Here is a hint, they dont come from Atheists, Deists, and FreeThinkers TM.
Time to get real, my friend. Walking blindly into folly will produce untold misery not just for non-Muslims in the West, but also the Muslims that were allowed to come here. Be a humanitarian and support liberty, oppose Muslim immigration and Islam.
Ev, Christians had a country. In fact, they had many countries. Most of the nations of Europe were ruled by Christianity at one time or another. And what a horrible mess they made of it – pogroms, crusades, wars and murders and inquisitions.
Christianity lost that position because it became clear, first here in the USA, then in Republican France, and eventually all over the world that having religion in charge was smply an awful idea. As far as tolerance goes, Christianity, in particular, stands out from ALL other religions – as the least tolerant of all.
Incidentally, who’s stopping you from practicing your faith? All you have to do is hire the stadium, bring in whoever you like. If it’s a privately owned stadium, there’s nothing to stop you using it for anything you and the owner wants.
But our government is OURS. Everyone’s. NOT just yours. And it is restricted, for very good reasons. You don’t want to hear the local Imam do the Friday call for Prayer over those government owned speakers? Well, you’re in luck, you don’t have to. But those restrictions apply to EVERYONE – and that is rule of law. You want to have special rules just for Christians? Well, guess what. You can’t. The law applies to EVERYONE.
What’s the difference between us and the Islamic countries? You got it EXACTLY wrong. It IS because we have the tolerance of Atheists, Agnostics, Deists and Freethinkers. Also Daoists, and Hindus, and Muslims, and yes, Christians. Because we treat them all the SAME, equally, the concept of Equality before the Law, THAT is the difference. Because we have abandoned your old, worthless Euro-Christian tradition, and instead decided to be FREE people, with liberty and justice for all instead of only the chosen few.
You say I want “freedom from religion”. You’re right. I want people to be able to worship whatever they want, including being able to refuse to do so.
I hate to say this, but the impression I’m getting is that you hate everything that’s good about America. You want a religious dictatorship instead of democracy, religious fiat instead of law, dominance instead of equality. If you hate the US and what it stands for so much, why are you still here? I’d think you’d be more comfortable somewhere more like how you describe – say, Saudi Arabia.
You’ve certainly got the Anti-Christian Leftwing narrative down.
Anyways, reality has a way of making itself known, as is happening in Europe now. There are many people like you Kevin, and it seems we will have to walk down the some foolish path as Europe, until enough people experience the reality of large Muslim enclaves in our nation, before they are mugged by reality.
Until then, enjoy pissing on Christians and Christianity, and delegitimizing them.
How is requiring Christians, like everyone else, to follow the law, “delegitimizing” them?
How is stating the honest truth about the history of Christianity “Pissing on them”?
I’m under no illusions about how bad it would be to be dominated by Islam. The illusion you seem to be suffering from is that you think being dominated by Christianity would be any better.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Domination by any one religious group is tantamount to slavery. The only free choice is to allow all – and subject all to the same law.
So you do get that a Muslim majority in this country would lead to serious infringement upon your liberty.
But you seem to be making the assertion that living in a Christian majority country is no better.
As I said, you are ignorant of Protestant Christian metaphysics which underpin your liberty, and the reason that it will be gone (your liberty) with an Islamic majority.
It isnt the Left that maintains support for liberty in this country, it is the 90% of Christians in this country that do.
People that complain about voluntary Christian school prayer as some kind of unbearable crime against humanity and outrageous infringement upon non-Christian liberty, or Theocratic oppression have jumped the shark in hyperbole and are infringing upon the rights of the majority (who may just get tired of it eventually with malice)….but alas…
This country is dominated by Christians, and if you had a lick of sense, you would thank God (or your lucky stars or Richard Dawkins or whatever you do) that you do.
Even Richard Dawkins sees reason and sense (and he is in the UK and getting up close and personal experience which led him to this conclusion…
“There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings. I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death. I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse.”
As I said, thick stumps like you and there are many) are going to have to learn the hard way….and that is unfortunate for Christendom.
Dont take my word for it…take Bernard Lewis’
http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/CMI100v1
No, no, not at all. Living in a primarily Christian, primarily protestant country is just fine. Not that I actually have any choice – every country on earth is primarily one religion or another. And as neighbours, Christians are as good or better than anyone else.
But there’s a difference between a country being mostly Christian, or even predominantly Christian, and being dominated by Christianity. Christianity in the USA is by far the largest religion, and occupies a special place socially because of it. If people speak of religion in the US, they’re usually speaking, positively or negatively, of Christianity. When religious leaders speak, which ones get the media attention? It’s not the local Shinto priest.
But however much Christianity is special in our society, it is (and MUST be) treated exactly the same as the others by government and the law. Christianity isn’t dominating our nation, because we have an aggressively secular government. Christian priests and reverends can decide anything they like, and require it of their followers, but they have no power to make those decisions law, or exempt themselves from the law by some clerical fiat.
Christianity must act, as every other religion must act, within the law. If Christianity DIDN’T have that restriction, then yes, it would be dominating our country – and yes, I would expect it to be just as dictatorial, tyrannical and despotic as Islam is in the places it dominates.
Kevin, youve created a massive boogeyman.
I fully support the seperation of church and state, (in its limited and original meaning) of separations of ORGANIZATIONS…..not the Separation of Religion and Governance….or the banishment of Christianity from the Public Sphere/Space (like Public Schools for instance).
You really are a piece of work.
I fully agree that Christianity should act within the law, we just disagree what the law actually requires (see Rhenquist). And at heart it is Christians that make the law (drawing upon their religious tradition for guidance), even if Leftwingers have contrived to interpret and twist the law for their purposes of pushing Christianity out of the public sphere and into peoples basements (not very tolerant).
Christianity being officially acknowledged as having a special significance in our Christian country (not just in demographics), one of the primary sources of its common law, foundational to our system of governance, values and principles found in our founding documents is nothing but acknowledging reality. Acknowledging reality isnt so tough, you just have to accept it.
If Christianity DIDN’T have that restriction, then yes, it would be dominating our country – and yes, I would expect it to be just as dictatorial, tyrannical and despotic as Islam is in the places it dominates.
Since Christianity dominates here….you have shown yourself to be ignorant, willfully blind, and a fool…all in one.
A certifiable Anti-Christian bigot.
But keep pissing on Christians and Christianity. The necessity to equivalence with Islam is a PC tick, usually unthinkingly stated as a mechanism to prove one’s PC bona fides. The American Christian Right (Classically Liberal Protestant Christians = The Taliban … and there but for coercion by government force to keep Christians from expressing themselves in public institutions goes the USA!
How do you break through an irrational mind like that? Anybody know?
So, I’m a bigot for requiring that the majority be bound to obey the law, just as the minority? For following the official legal, proper and appropriate dterminations of the body designed and intended to interpret the constitution? For supporting EQUALITY of rights and privileges for all Americans?
To quote The Princess Bride, “I do not think that word means what you think it means.”
You seem very good at taking parts of what I said and quoting them out of context; I suppose that’s easier than actually responding to my arguments.
Why do I not trust Christianity as a whole? Because they HAVE acted like the Taliban in the past. And not so very long ago. One of the strongest drives AGAINST emancipation of the slaves in pre-Civil War America was from the mainstream churches, who argued (correctly, as it happens) that slavery is biblically supported. Those same churches were to continue to support JIm Crow, anti-mixed marriage acts and the KKK right into the 1960s.
And that’s HERE, where those churches had no official power. At the same time, the Rusiian Orthodox church was supporting pogroms against the Russian Jewry, the same was occuring in the north German states with the full support of the protestants there, and the Anglican church in Britain was enforcing laws against anyone not on the approved list of “acceptable” religions holding any sort of office or running for Parliament.
I see no reason to believe anything has changed. That given the chance, these organizations would not step up, take control and enforce their own requirements on all of us. Indeed, they try to every day – trying to say who can and cannot marry, who can and cannot adopt, what we should accept and what censor, even what should be taught in our schools. I have no problem, as I have repeatedly said, with a church promulgating it’s doctrines to the faithful…but they have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to force them on anyone else.
As to Christianity being “one of the primary sources of its common law, foundational to our system of governance, values and principles found in our founding documents” – who are you trying to fool? Traditional Christianity is in opposition to most of our legal system and government. Traditional Christianity has always been quite clear: a divinely appointed absolute monarch is the proper form of government. The law should be subordinate to the church. Individuals owe their loyalty to Church first, family second, all else last. THAT is Traditional Christianity – 1500 years worth. Sorry if it doesn’t look too good to modern eyes.
Oh, and who, precisely, is forcing Christianity out of public view? It’s not the left, and it’s certainly not the government. Oh, that’s right, it’s – no one at all! You can stand on a street corner and preach. You can open a church and invite the parishioners in. You can establish a private school and teach as you choose. You can rally with the faithful over any issue that is important to you. You can even have your own TV station, and broadcast the word 24/7.
The only thing you’re not allowed to do is co-opt the government into doing it for you. You can’t have our taxes to pay for it, or our land to put your monuments on. That isn’t suppression – it’s just requiring your religion to obey the same rules as everyone else. And Rehnquist, remember, was the dissenting opinion – the rest of the SCOTUS thought he was nuts.
Incidentally, it’s a restriction you should embrace. While Protestant Christianity is the single largest denomination nationwide, it ISN’T the largest in some parts of the US. How would you feel if the government mandated the Book of Mormon be part of the syllabus in Salt Lake City? Or the Catholic Catechism in New Mexico? Or the Qu’ran in some area that’s predominantly muslim? The separation of Church and state protects you, too.
What next, telling us how Christianity is Anti-Science and has a long history of thwarting sceintific progress?
He is a clue, Christendom took science to it’s highest achievements and developed it to it highest rigor.
But alas…
Haters gonna hate.
Good day to you sir. May your ignorance subside and wisdom dawn soon after.
BTW, I have no problem with other faith group schools, like Jewish Schools and Hindu Schools….if they have the numbers to support it. I would fund them via school choice, school voucher programs. Im not an Anti-Religious bigot like you….who makes sweeping generalizations about religion. I do not wish to oppress other people. Shame that you dont likewise support freedom and liberty Kevin.
Islam is a special problem….targeting the remedies to that problem in ways that dont oppress everyone else is the way to go. Instead of infringing upon everyone’s rights equally so as to maintain a faux equality before the law. Similar to the reason that I would ditch the wide comb policies of the TSA, and use an Israeli mode with regards to terrorism and airline security. No need to submit little old Jewish ladies and Catholic children to body cavity searches and groping and frisking so as to maintain a air of non-discrimination. Deal with the problem, leave others to their liberty.
But alas…
“He is a clue, Christendom took science to it’s highest achievements and developed it to it highest rigor.”
What a load of fetid dung.
Christianity has been anti-science from day one. It was Christians who burned the last incarnation of the Library of Alexandria, and murdered it’s last curator. Christians who forced Galileo to recant and kept him under house arrest until his death. Christianity led the attack on Darwin, and has conducted attacks on virtually every major scientific advance of the past couple of hundred years.
Now, I’m not talking individual Christians here. Many of the same scientists that the Churches have tried to suppress have been Christians, and organizations like the Catholic Society of Jesus have supported scientific endeavour and knowledge. But the Churches themselves? They’ve suppressed the works of the ancient Greeks (“Any works before Jesus are pagan and worthless”), Fahrenheit, Copernicus, Lavoisier, Malthus…I could go on, but I think the point is made.
And I wasn’t talking about Hindu or Muslim or other schools. Like you, I have no problem with such things – if people want to send their children to parochial schools, more power to them. No, I was talking abou what YOU have said YOU want – religion in public, government owned schools. COMPULSORY religion in schools. How would you feel if we had that – but it wasn’t Christian?
The thing is, I don’t hate Christianity. I live in a largely Christian society, have mostly Christian friends, and I’m happy with both. What it is, is that I don’t trust Christian churches and organizations with political power. And you’ve yet to state any reason I should – you just keep yammering on “facts” that a twelve year old withn a history text could disprove.
Kevin, you have clearly been sold a bill of goods.
The one place in the world that took science to it heights, had the most hostile anti-science powerful religious structure.
Brilliant!
Gallileo was trained in Catholic Universities, for God’s sake.
Certainlly you can come up with episodes during a long history, where the Chrurch or Christians were at odds with science, like the Galileo incident (which actually has been simplified to the point of being a false accounting, but even beside that….it is noted for it’s exceptionalism to the rule…which proves the rule.
In fact the very metaphysics of Christianity drives scientific development (out of natural philosophy)……ie
Man is created in God’s image
Man has reason, as does God
God created and ordered the Universe
The Universe is orderly and understandable via reason
Thus man can use reason and observation of God’s creation to understand God
But alas…you are a complete nincompoop…who has been brainwashed with a narrative….which is why you are a threat to the liberty of Christians.
Here is another mental bomb for you. The Enlightenment was largely a Christian event, not a rebellion against Christianity. It rolled out of the Protestant Reformation.
But alas….
Ignorant haters like you…gonna hate.
Here is some light reading to get you started. A breezy short read.
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization by Thomas Woods
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0101.html
By far the book’s longest chapter is “The Church and Science.” We have all heard a great deal about the Church’s alleged hostility toward science. What most people fail to realize is that historians of science have spent the past half-century drastically revising this conventional wisdom, arguing that the Church’s role in the development of Western science was far more salutary than previously thought. I am speaking not about Catholic apologists but about serious and important scholars of the history of science such as J.L. Heilbron, A.C. Crombie, David Lindberg, Edward Grant, and Thomas Goldstein.
It is all very well to point out that important scientists, like Louis Pasteur, have been Catholic. More revealing is how many priests have distinguished themselves in the sciences. It turns out, for instance, that the first person to measure the rate of acceleration of a freely falling body was Fr. Giambattista Riccioli. The man who has been called the father of Egyptology was Fr. Athanasius Kircher (also called “master of a hundred arts” for the breadth of his knowledge). Fr. Roger Boscovich, who has been described as “the greatest genius that Yugoslavia ever produced,” has often been called the father of modern atomic theory.
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Ignorance is not bliss Kevin. Real understanding is within your grasp, if you can manage past the fog of Pop Leftwing Historical Revisionist Narrative.
Hopefully you will take the oportunity of afforded by our exchange, to broaden your horizons, so as to not be a duped chump played for a fool by the Left. He who controls the past, controls the future. Dont be a chump.
You dont trust Christians with political power. You said so yourself, Kevin.
That pretty much sums up your desire to use trickery in democratic institutions to disempower them, like broadening interpretations of law to areas that it did not deign to apply.
You wish to limit Christians freedom, to contain them, because you do not trust them.
It couldnt be any clearer.
You are like the Jim Crow Segregationist who told everyone that segregation was for the good of all people black and white and sought to limit black political power because he did not trust black people.
Look at yourself in the mirror my friend. You are the ugly oppressor and squasher of liberty.
You keep saying that, but I don’t see how you can possibly twist the logic that far.
How is it “opposing freedom” to require rule of law?
The laws and Constitution of the US are wonderfully clear. Government shall not support any one religion over any others. The 14th Amendment extends that requirement from the Federal government to the states. So, neither you, NOR ANY OTHER RELIGION, may impose themselves, unwanted, by government power, on anyone.
Where is the lack of liberty in that? Whose freedom is being infringed?
What bigotry is it, to require equality?
I ask these questions, but you have no answers. You want special rules to let your religion rule us all and dictate our lives. And I say, no, you can’t do that, we are free people, you may not rule us.
So which of us is the bigot, and which the protector of our freedoms?
Mr. Cross, I agree with you on most of what you say in regards to the topic at hand. However, based upon my study of the founding fathers, I could not disagree more with you on this statement:
The founding fathers were hardly “Judeo-Christian.” They were either Deists (which today we’d call either Atheists or Agnostics) or Protestants in the greatest amount, a few Catholics. Some were activel anti-clerical, and none of the major leaders were highly religious.
They created a nation for ALL religions. To forget that is to lose the most important aspects of religious liberty – and to hand the country to the theocrats (Muslim, Christian – there is no true difference, they all only want power) on a plate.e more with your statement
Based upon the numerous resources that I have read, including direct quotes from them, the majority of them were certainly Christian, in fact, a large number of them were pastors and Christian scholars who undertook the propogation and distribution of the Bible to a new level. They helped to found and run the National Bible Institute, established a number of universities for the sole purpose of instructing the youth in the scriptures (including Yale, Harvard, University of Virginia), helped to establish grammar schools so that all kids could be exposed to the Bible and it’s teachings, as well as the principles based upon freedom. In fact, a number of quotes from our founders regard the principle that morality and virtue are the essential pillars of liberty, and without the virtue that the Bible teaches, liberty would not last in this country.
Any study of their major influences, John Locke, Montesquieue, and Blackstone (Blackstones commentaries) were all about the basis of natural, also known as divine, law. What is more, each of them was raised during the time of the First Great Awakening. They, with the exception of Thomas Paine, believed that God’s providence during the revolution was the major foundation of why they won the war. Thomas Paine, yes, he was an atheist. But the rest fully believed that God governed in the affairs of men, and that natural law was based upon revelation and reason based off of that revelation from God.
To truly understand the founding fathers, you have to examine the natural law that they believed in. Blackstone’s commentaries became the primary law book of their day, and it defined Natural law as the will of God for man, which can be ascertained by people through an examination of God’s creation, the text of the Bible, and to a certain degree, instinct or reason. Now, I do not have access to many of these quotes here at work, but have a treasure trove of them at home.
But some that I can recall are: Ben Franklin stating that “A bible and a newspaper in every home, a good school in every district–all studied and appreciated as they merit–are the principle support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty.”
John Adams stated, “Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue; and if this cannot be inspired into our people in a greater measure, than they have it now, they may change their rulers and forms of government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty.”
Like I stated, I have literally hundreds of quotes similar to this, but don’t have access to them from here. And, I do need to get back to work now. Rest assured, what you have been taught is far from the truth of what our founders believed. Don’t give in to the propaganda, but research their beliefs for yourself.
Mr. Cross: I’m afraid that making this particular argument in this particular forum amounts to beating the greasy spot on the road where the dead horse used to be…because it has become practically impossible today (or, at the very least, it has become very VERY lonely) to be a political conservative who is not also an Evangelical Christian. Jews and Catholics are on thin ice in this forum, and atheists or agnostics are (but of course!) verbally stoned to death when they dare to suggest that politics makes strange but often effective bedfellows.
People here rail on and on about being patriotic Americans, but just watch how fast that changes when “God” is dragged kicking and screaming into the picture. Apparently it is not enough too be patriotic just because you love your country; you also have to agree that everything conservatives think is wrong with America can be easily solved if we could all just get a little more “Jeeeeeeeeeeezus”!
OK, OK, I’m putting away my soapbox now, I promise. This has NOT been a very good day
– Spikeygrrl: patriot, conservative, atheist, and proud military wife
Just one more thing, Kevin.
When you look at the world, and compare Christian majority nations to Muslim majority nations, can you see any differences?
If so, where do you think these differences come from?
Here is a hint, they dont come from Atheists, Deists, and FreeThinkers TM.
Time to get real, my friend. Walking blindly into folly will produce untold misery not just for non-Muslims in the West, but also the Muslims that were allowed to come here. Be a humanitarian and support liberty, oppose Muslim immigration and Islam.
You keep saying that, but I don’t see how you can possibly twist the logic that far.
How is it “opposing freedom” to require rule of law?
The laws and Constitution of the US are wonderfully clear. Government shall not support any one religion over any others. The 14th Amendment extends that requirement from the Federal government to the states. So, neither you, NOR ANY OTHER RELIGION, may impose themselves, unwanted, by government power, on anyone.
Where is the lack of liberty in that? Whose freedom is being infringed?
What bigotry is it, to require equality?
I ask these questions, but you have no answers. You want special rules to let your religion rule us all and dictate our lives. And I say, no, you can’t do that, we are free people, you may not rule us.
So which of us is the bigot, and which the protector of our freedoms?
Actually Kevin, what is clear is that you do not understand that anytime the courts try to merge two amendments (the 1st and the 14) they abandon the original intent of both. Obviously, you do not respect the original intent of either of those amendments. The 14th amendment was meant to prevent states from treating blacks as less than equal citizens. It did not in any way pertain to the 1st amendment. And when the supreme court tied those two amendments together in Emerson, they basically did overturn the 2nd clause in the 1st amendment, something that the founding fathers never intended. Escape Velocity is correct in his assessment; you and the supreme court are both wrong. The people did not vote to change the 1st amendment, Congress did not vote to change the 1st amendment, and the states did not vote to change the 1st amendment. There is a process called article 5 for amending the constitution. What the court did was unconstitutional, whether you believe it was the right decision or not.
Ah, yes! The RINO’s. A rino is an awful beast. It speaks the right words while siding with the enemy of those who put it into office. Rino’s like to “work with” or “reach across the aisle” with their enemies. To their enemies, compromise is the rino’s capitulating to their demands while they give up nothing.
It took the commies nearly 100 years to take over the democrat party – the party that was close enough to their own ideology that it wouldn’t be a great leap to nudge them the rest of the way. It may take us as long the wrest the GOP from the rino’s, but it is our best hope. To form a third party would be to put us out of power for decades – if not forever.
We really must start thinking long term. The dems effected “change” by moving demographics around. They would flood into areas that were enemy strongholds and they would “vote” themselves into power. Once entrenched they move on to the next red (was blue – but they stole our color from us too!) target.
Conservatives might have to start thinking of flooding blue states and taking them over. It may take 100 years – but since this is the last place on earth we have left to go isn’t it worth it?
Taking Andy McCarthy’s solid analysis as a starting point — we still need to get crackin’ on PRACTICAL “next steps.” Abandoning Republican Party before the November election doesn’t sound like a great idea.
Of course, we need to support the “Tea Party candidates” in the remaining primaries — not only for the sake of national security, but also in order to begin addressing budget deficit and national debt issues.
My bet, right now, is: 8-10 points defeat for Obama and consequent landslide in Senate and House races in November. Economy, will pick up “unexpectedly” (but not to Newt Gingrich) early on the election night. Still we will be saddled with Romney’s etch-a-sketch geniuses — immediately taking the (not unexpected) sharp turn to the “pink side” — with mainstream media and even NY Times having more influence on the new administration’s policies (particularly the national security ones) — than any of the commonsense conservatives who would have helped His Mittens to get elected.
If this scenario plays out, a new Tea Party Movement — under the leadership of: Palin, DeMint, Rubio, Bachmann, and why-not Andy McCarthy as one of its leading national security thinkers — could begin to develop and promote policy alternatives (to the Romney’s RINOS’ and GOP establishment’s PC-pious cant) that would be commensurate to the Country’s economic and international challenges at hand
The GOP is not the party of conservatism anymore and they deserve to LOSE! The Republican party is gone! I won’t be voting Republican!
Mitt Romney isn’t a real Republican, conservative or Christian and never was! RINO Romney is a Socialist just like Obama! Mitt Romney is another John McCain liberal LOSER! RINO Romney is a FAKE, ESTABLISHMENT, POSER an ELITIST, FLIP FLOPPING, PHONEY that stands for nothing! I’m done with the new establishment Republicans!
Kitty,
You are wrong.
What political apparatus will you use to effect change?
Will you sit by on the side-lines until you die, bitching and complaining about how no one does what you want? If you refuse to get directly involved – if you refuse to join the Republican Party and change it from the inside – who will your children blame when you’re gone?
In fact, will your children even have the good sense to blame anyone, or will they already be taught to bow down to in their compliance to Sharia? What will you have taught them as their role-model? Will you have taught them that you got directly involved and tried to effect a real change?
Or will you have taught them that “you can’t trust people and there’s no point in even trying”?
Jaycen, You misunderstand me. Because I do not support the GOP doesn’t mean I am not involved or that I have surrendered. I will vote for Romney but I don’t have a lot of confidence in him. I am a traditional conservative and see that the GOP seeks to protect party and president over nation and principles. I can’t be a party to this.
Certainly I teach my children to fight, especially in times of adversity. I do not believe that it doesn’t matter what I do; I also am realistic in my view of the GOP.
*a jihadist atrocity that killed 13 Americans, twice as many as were killed in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.*
The shooting in Colorado was barely hours old when the Left was convinced it was a Tea Party gun nut who did the shooting but the press and the government refuse to believe Islam motivated the Fort Hood shooting, even when that extremist had “Solider of Allah” on his business cards. Its like they’re looking down the barrel of a gun, but they don’t think the person holding the gun would ever fire. Craziness.
Hi Matt,
It’s not craziness. It’s cowardice.
I call it TREASON! Treason is also being perpetrated big time in Britain and Europe.
That is because of the lame stream prop up obozo media, to protect him, and shield him from disclosures.
Seems that a recent story on WND spoke of journalists sending their stories to the White House for editing before they go to their editors.
And the lame stream wonders why they are being held in such earned disrespect.
Absolutely superb, Mr. McCarthy. Your service to America is great. I had my ignorance of the threat of Muslims removed from my eyes by your writings in the years following their attack on us on 9/11. Consequently, I have for several years now been fully aware of the Muslim world-wide project of domination and subjugation, and the de facto submission of a great proportion of U.S. political and cultural leaders to their evil.
The divide between submitters and patriots is the most dangerous rift this nation has known, as it can lead to its utter destruction from within. On this head, McCain dismays us. I was also dismayed by seeing that Muslims (and specifically the Muslim Brotherhood) have infiltrated CPAC with the help Grover Norquist. I believe we need an explicitly anti-Muslim political party.
I would prefer we label ourselves an anti-CAIR, anti-Muslim Brotherhood, and anti-LaRaza party, and not just a blanket anti-Muslim label. There are some Muslims who are here because they sincerely want a life free from terrorism, and wish no harm to America. Some have truly aided in the intel area, and some loathe radical Islam. And you have to stop and put yourself in their shoes, if the GOP is backing the very enemies they fled to America to avoid, would you be visible, and work hard to expose the MB members, and CAIR members working like mad to destroy us? Most pro-American Muslims have been silenced in America due to a legit fear of these groups, and I for one do not blame them. I believe a better way is to isolate the radical groups in the country, and to get rid of imams preaching violence in mosques here in the U.S. Falls Church VA would be a good place to start, and then Dearborn, MI, and then cleaning up TN would be a good start in all this.
The problem is in the above named groups. If those people were expelled from the country then our security would be far, far better.
As to Grover Norquist, major, mega, dittos. The man has been doing this going way back. He would say it was necessary to win the elections, but I think it opened doors which should have remained shut.
I appreciate the reasoned reply, but I disagree. A label of self-identification plays several roles in communication and society, and should not be adopted lightly. “Maistreamm” Muslims believe that non-Muslims must submit to them, be murdered, or humiliated and enslaved. As those of us here know, and as Andrew McCarthy and other great patriots have so eloquently written, there a multitude of Muslims who do not explicitly engage in physical violence themselves but (with no contradiction) either explicitly or implicitly support Muslim atrocities and/or support/engage in political and cultural jihad. These are the Muslims that the DNC and establishment GOP claim are the Muslims who are innocent. This list includes CAIR, Imam Rauf, a cauldron full of university professors, Andre Carson, The Muslim Brotherhood proper, and your local mosque. The handful (and I believe it is literally a handful, maybe not even 1%) of Muslims who truly oppose jihad and more fundamentally its goals, oppose Sharia with all their heart and soul, are sickened by the idea of murdering apostates, who reject the double-standard of Muslim only proselytization, reject dhimmitude, oppose Islamic murder and oppression throughout the globe, and who oppose Muslim supremacism are (1) not the ones the DNC and establishment GOP are trying to appease (in fact, they deny their existence or repudiate them) and (2) are making a mistake in calling themselves Muslims as they reject the core tenets of Islam. Attempting to sort the “good” Muslims from the “bad” Muslims will lead to the same state of failure in which we now find ourselves, with the DNC calling all Muslims “patriots” except (and sometimes even including) Muslims who murder and oppress non-Muslims in the name of their supremacism. To sacrifice all of America for the sake of a handful of people who mistakenly refer to themselves as “Muslims” (i.e., your “good” Muslims) is wrong as it will necessarily allow the DNC’s “good” Muslims to be free to do their evil as they have. The ultra-minority of falsely labeled Muslims should publically reject the labels of “Muslim” and “Islam”, and take their place as American citizens. Continuing Andrew’s analogy with the label of Nazism, it would be immoral, stupid, and cowardly to desist from calling Nazism an evil ideology just because you find some people who call themsevles “Nazis” and yet reject everything that inheres in Nazism (and are also scared to death of the rest of their ostensible brtheren).
I do not know Eric. In the current environment, in the current structure of the country, where would the religious/ideological lines end? Far too many in this country just do not get who these people are, and they would rather see the end of Christians than Muslims, and they would not even be Muslims themselves. For example, see the makeup of OWS. Besides, who is going to decide who goes and who stays? That route sounds more like the Obamacare death panels.
Jefferson knew the dangers of Islam pure and simple. Which is a large reason he read the thing, and basically had the Koran labeled as “dangerous” reading material. I, as a Christian, and someone who has read a real history book here and there, well I get the “dangerous” elements of everything you mentioned regarding Muslims and Islam. Ignorance though, it reigns supreme in far too many corners of this world. Our politically correct population, and political parties just do not have a clue. For example, we know the Barbary Pirates were not say the same as Long John Silver pirates. For the love of Pete, we have entire generations who do not even know the first thing about the Barbary Pirates, and cannot from memory recite the first five lines of the Declaration of Independence. In other words, until some more educated citizens get this, I fear where they would draw the religious lines. Getting rid of all Muslims has that, “let’s kill all the Christians”, ring to it, but with more of a Roman ring. Seen the Coliseum Eric, not down for that so much here with any religious group. And sending some Muslims back to their home countries would be the same as having them executed in a gory, and nasty way. A more contemporary ring to, “let’s get rid of all the Muslims”, sounds too close to the entire African continent ring where hundreds of Christians are burned to death in a church. I believe if we have more people like Mr. McCarthy, and the House letter writers educating the general public, and speaking boldly Truth to fiction, and the U.S. Senate, well then we can have people/Americans keeping the country safe.
Being the “anti-Muslim” party just screams more anti-American than anything to me. It just goes against who we are as a people, and as Republicans for the “d”democracy, and the “R”Republic. Rumor has it that the GOP has a large tent. Last sentence to be read with much sarc, and a snort. El capitan McCain is not for the big tent if Bachmann is in it.
Our own stupidity and laziness has landed us on the square of doom in this board game. We have always thought the enemy was kept, “over there”, where others fought the battles, and we have forgotten more about the Crusades than we ever attempted to learn. Christians will always have to fight this battle over and over again because even as believers, even though we know better, we forget the real existence of pure Evil. For the non-Christians, they have no clue who Saladin was, they never got what all the fuss about Abu Nidal was about, and none of them have ever seen the movie, “Khartoum”. You do not have to be religious to get any of this.
Before the wall fell I was in Germany for a few weeks. I went with a friend to visit his grandmother living in Frankfurt. The grandmother, her daughter, and her son were all sent by the father, during WWII, to live out the war in Switzerland. Before the war, the grandfather was a photographer, and he owned his own camera shop, and then he was snatched up and told to serve Hitler. The man did not want to go into the German Army, but he feared for the lives of his family, as well as his own. My point Eric is not every German was a Nazi, and not every German believed in Hitler’s deranged dream for Germany. We did this fearing all people remotely connected to the opposing country/ideology before with both German and Japanese people. We interred a few of them. So, for me, right now, I would like to start taking small bites out of this apple, and begin by say expelling all CAIR members in the U.S. since they are proven to be unindicted co-conspirators to some bad stuff, connected to the MB, and therefore by many, plain in your face connected to Hezbollah. Start somewhere legal, somewhere American. Genuinely American.
To be truthful Eric, if we really wanted to look at “good Muslims” closely, they are not technically 100% Islamic because they have chosen some weakened version of Islam. Most of these people would be executed on the spot for not being 100% Islamic. Dr. Zudhi Jasser(sp) would be one example. He served in the U.S. Navy, and he and his family came to America because of the usual M.E. violence. His version of Islam is way different than say all those occupying Falls Church, VA., or Dearborne, MI. Dr. Jasser, IMHO, is very far away from a dangerous Muslim. Is he one out of the many? Yep, yes, he is the exception to the rule. I am not down for wiping out all the exceptions right along with the rules. Baby and the bath water comes to mind here.
And Reality, she bites like a rabid, mountain lion. They are here. Now what? There is no magic wand, and hopefully Romney is going to be the new supreme ruler of the universe, and so I am not seeing this en masse deportation of Muslims. Not seeing an en masse deportation of illegals for that matter. So, to quote El Rushbo, living “in Realville”, I am thinking we are going to have to come up with some legal reasons to rid ourselves of those who would wish the country harm. I believe it would be nice if we could deport some politicians who have committed treason, and then work our way towards others who are also committing the same acts. After these actions, thinking Fear would be an excellent deterrent, along with an educated public. As a citizen of Realville, I have a bad feeling to achieve either of these, the afore mentioned SMOD is going to have to arrive to knock sense into some Americans.
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OK, I can accept that Europe thinks that Democratic Socialism is the normal structure for a well run society, including all the dopey politically correct moral equivalences that comes with it. To see the U.S. wandering down the same path is getting tiresome. Does national confusion produce national decline, or is it the other way round?
When the Tea Party first formed, the DHS released a so called, “leaked memo”, about who was a danger to this country. Not much about the memo has changed, and in fact the Tea Party has been touted by the Left, and the GOP Estabs, as a group with more to be feared than the MB. So, Americans are to be fearful of pro-life groups, former military members, Christians, and all of us who believe we have been “taxed enough already”, (which would include atheists and independent voters who feel the same way), but according to the DHS, and the GOP, Americans are not to fear the MB. With the exception of the Revolutionary War, (necessary violence-see Winston Churchill), I have not seen many of us who fall in these categories as being violent, or having a need to come with some sort of warning label. But what do I know, I also fell into one other category of dangerous persons because I home schooled my kids. What I do know is that the MB has a charter, a creed if you will, and peace, love of others, and respect does not exactly scream at you upon reading it. Vastly different from the goals, or beliefs of the Tea Party, not to mention most Americans. All of which prompts a normal American to scream at McCain and Gang, “Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot!” Are they illiterate or what?
The issue, the question, the complaint of the House Conservatives, brave souls that they are, is not about patriotism, and it is not about Mrs. Weiner being a card carrying member of the MB, but rather it is a question many of us have had going all the way back to the days when we heard MB members were being given FBI jobs shortly after 9-11. Do these people really met the security requirements? Some of us were questioning the advice given to then President Bush by a “fiscal Conservative” about taking campaign money from some not so great people. Some of us are still scratching our heads over the lack of concern many GOP senators seem to have over the number of MB members in high ranking positions in DHS. Those tours of our high level security areas by MB members, the number of security clearances granted, etc. is unnerving, and the House members simply were asking are the proper procedures being executed when it comes to allowing these people to take government positions which grants them top level access to areas most Tea Party members would probably never be granted. Just saying. Does anyone believe McCain and his gang would not give a anal exam like no other if a Tea Party member was selected to be the top assistant to the next Secretary of State?
The good news is that I am just a housewife, and I get it. So do other housewives. In fact, a lot of people are getting it, and the Estabs should be worried about how many Americans know what the MB is all about. I see the dangers, and I know where this is going to land us in the big scheme of things. The bad news is I see a SMOD coming our way due to the way the GOP has looked at the MB, and the ideology of those Muslims who wish us to be hit by the “Sweet Meteor of Death”. We have male RHINOS, GOP people who have no intestinal fortitude, (minus a pair), who would rather attack a woman for bringing to the American publics attention the extreme dangers of the MB than do something about the questions she and others posed. Their moves are not playing well across the fruited plains, and I can promise them this, when we are attacked next go round, and the MB, who will have a role in the attack is exposed, the GOP Estab is going to feel the ire of the American public. In the meantime, as the MB empties Egypt of Christians, either by murdering them, or because the Christians are fleeing before they are murdered, all Americans need to do to know what the MB is all about is watch what goes down in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, all of South America, Iran, Mexico, etc. It is not going to be pretty. Far cry from what the Tea Party wants to do in this country.
Thanks Mr. McCarthy for the article, and please keep it coming. There can never be enough talk on this topic!
P.S. To all of you alphabets, you no named and faceless peoples protecting us, some of us know the utter hell you are going through trying to protect us with tied hands. Whether you are an analyst, or a field guy, or gal, many families in this country think of you often, and your families, and we thank you for keeping our families safe from the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood. I pray to God someday we can make this right, and you can have free hands to do more. God bless you, your families, and please stay safe.
Bravo…you should seriously consider your own blog or consider becoming a guest commentator of Hot Air or PJ.
From one “just a housewife” to another…you make me proud! I second the call for you to seriously think about guest writing or your own blog…you already have 2 followers now!
The shooting in Colorado was barely hours old when the Left was convinced it was a Tea Party gun nut who did the shooting
They were not “convinced” of anything. They automatically accuse the Tea Party and conservatives of perpetuating violence, not because they believe the accusations to be true but because they believe them to be USEFUL.
The Left does not use language to communicate their beliefs or ideas; they use it as a WEAPON to achieve their one objective—domination. Ergo, we miss the point entirely when we interpret and react to their words as if they indicated their beliefs.
A Leftist has one belief and one belief only: “I ought to be in charge.”
Everything they say and do is a means to that end. Smearing the Tea Party is a means to that end.
It’s who they are; it’s what they do.
Dicentra
Your comment deserves a ‘like’ or thumbs up, or +1.
The best I can do is stand atop my desk and cheer loudly to the amusement of my fellow cubical dwellers.
True. Most people still think Gabby Gifford was shot by a tea party person.
And Barack Obama is not convinced it’s about the collective. He wants the masses to be convinced it’s about the collective. A very astute comment!
McCain did us a favor. What may have been a minor outrage by the left at the temerity of 5 Republican realists to ask some questions has turned into an open discussion not only of Muslim Brotherhood influence in the Obama administration but also of the republican establishments fear of raising such questions.
I think what was another attempt to silence Michele Bachmann may bounce back onto her accusers.
For some reason the republican establishment fears Bachmann. For now she has not challenged the RE. But those that are hurling their stones at her may discover they are living in glass houses.
Perhaps these Republicans fear their own connections to these same stealth jihadists coming to light. The stealth jihadists have infiltrated the GOP through the machinations of Grover Norquist. Why is this guy still a kingmaker in the GOP when he should have been kicked out years ago?
Damn right about Norquist. In my 15 or so years haunting various Conservative blogs, I’ve been blindsided by more than one respected cohort pulled into his political orbit by the lure of insider status. Formerly levelheaded, even brilliant writers and thinkers, suddenly saw the “sensibility” or “inevitability” of this progressive scheme or that. Heartbreaking experience, but very eye opening when it comes to Washington “insideritis.”
Outstanding article. I’m so disgusted with the GOP establishment. They have thrown Michele Bachmann under the bus. I am extremely disappointed in Marco Rubio who I expected better from. I no longer want Rubio to be Romney’s VP, I am solidly behind the great Lt.Col. Allen West. He fully understands the islamic threat and is unafraid to speak of it.
Ditto. Except West is better where he is, in the House. He would be wasted and mussled working for Romney.
If Florida is reasonably sewn up for Romney, then Romney should look for someone from Ohio or Pennsylvania. Too bad Santorum is not an adept politician. Maybe Kasich.
Let Romney pick a Joe Biden. We need Rubio to become Senate Leader and West to be Speaker. We can keep replacing the clueless with Tea Party until Congress is oriented from the Constitution. Then it’s possible to elect a president commited to sudden and relentless reform. You know who I’m talking about. One term for Romney.
We also need to pressure them all to put conservative on the SC bench since two of the old crows are probably going to retire soon and we could get it back to a Constitutional court. That way a Roberts can do no more harm.
“A president committed to sudden and relentless reform… you know who I’m talking about”
Wish I did – who are you talking about?
Sarah Palin. I suspect she didn’t run because at this point the permanent political class and crony capitalists would join forces to either derail her campaign or make it impossible to implement sudden and relentless reform. By 2016 we can take over the GOP. Then we can also take on the Global Jihad and their fellow travellers. A third party would just be a gift to the Democrats.
Yes, Allen West.
Immediately upon hearing of Rep. Ellison’s crocodile tears over the letters sent to five government agencies, i wrote my congressmen, Rob Woodall from the 7th congressional district in Georgia. i asked him to support the call for an investigation into the background and social connections of Hillary’s chief of staff, Huma Abedin. Here is the response i received:
Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about recent rumors of Muslim Brotherhood activity in the United States government. I appreciate hearing from you on this issue.
In response to your specific inquiry, to date I have seen no credible evidence that ties any individuals within the Administration or the Federal agencies addressed by Representative Bachmann’s letter to foreign political parties or terrorist groups. Accusations of this type are extremely serious and should only be made if there is significant evidence to support the claim.
What is just as important as foreign terrorism is homegrown terrorism. We cannot bury our heads in the sand and avoid this discussion of homegrown terrorism because we fear that some people may be offended. The sad reality is that homegrown terrorism is an increasingly evident threat to our national security. From the attacks at Fort Hood, to the attempted Christmas Day airline bombing and the Times Square attack, it is clear that the Congress, and specifically the House Homeland Security Committee, have a great deal of work to do.
For that reason, I support Homeland Security Chairman Peter King’s efforts to explore the ways we can better manage and combat homegrown terrorism. This is an important part of conquering terrorism worldwide. While these discussions may be uncomfortable, they are critical.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please do not hesitate to call on me if I can be of assistance in the future.
Sincerely,
Rob Woodall
Member of Congress
This is the typical “… now on the other hand” = deny and deflect gibberish we get from our representatives. First of all Mr. Woodall, i would suggest you don’t have any credible evidence because there hasn’t been an investigation. Rep. Bachmann and her colleagues are not asking for indictments. They are asking for an investigation; an investigation that may well provide you with the credible evidence you’re lacking. Actually, the key word is “credible” because congresswoman Bachmann produced more than sufficient “evidence” as to Huma’s questionable family ties for someone in upper level State Department position to warrant an investigation. But being the spineless crustaceans you and most of your colleagues are in the face of defending this country, the last thing you want to see is credible evidence because then you would be held accountable for your actions. Indeed, we see through your conservative label to the real label sewn into your suits… it says: “Made in Washington”.
Is It Time for Defenders of Liberty to Abandon the GOP?
No, NOT YET for crying out loud, you clowns! Let’s boot Obama out of office first, THEN we can talk about alternatives to the GOP, OK?
Have you never heard the expression “divide and conquer?” I’ll bet Obama and his crew have. Can’t you fools wait just a few more months?
I agree that we cannot abandon them in general because of what is at stake, and the reason I did not make a similar comment is because I think in this case, abandoning the GOP could be interpreted as if there is a better candidate, or a viable Tea Party candidate, then perhaps voters should opt for that candidate.
For example, Orin Hatch had to do the dance of love for Conservatism in order to withstand his GOP challenger who was way more Conservative, and I believe a Tea Party backed candidate. I know Greg Harper is furious with the Tea Party in MS for trying to out him from the House.
I doubt seriously most Americans are going to jump the shark in this election, and not go all out GOP in every election in their areas. I do believe however, most are concerned about how Conservative these GOP candidates are, and would like to send the most Conservative option off to Washington, and using information from this article only educates the public as to who gets it in the GOP when it involves groups like CAIR, and the MB. The point to me about abandoning the GOP seems to be more about supporting Bachmann, and others over the attacks of those in the McCain camp, and the GOP Estabs running the show. This is a battle between the Republican Base, and the RHINOS. There is a difference between the GOP, and the Base, both of which to date are still under the same GOP banner. For now.
No, NOT YET for crying out loud, you clowns! Let’s boot Obama out of office first, THEN we can talk about alternatives to the GOP, OK?
This has been the excuse every single election since Reagan. We’re always told we have to accept the lesser of two evils. The question is, how long must we continue with this thinking? Does anyone really believe that Romney is going to reverse this country’s leftward lurch? Is he really going to repeal any large government program? If the answer to both is no, then how is it any better to run into a wall at 70 mph vs 100 mph? I’d rather just get it over with.
Have you never heard the expression “divide and conquer?” I’ll bet Obama and his crew have. Can’t you fools wait just a few more months?
You mean, like the establishment Repubs have done? Do you see the irony in your question?
I Callahan – don’t lose faith, Brother. You may be shocked to know that millions of Americans feel just as you do. We are slowly but surely throwing the RINO’s out of office one primary at a time (I’m sure you have helped tremendously by voting in the primaries), but Rome was not built in a day. The establishment is scared as hell of us, as they should be. Hang in there and do the right thing by voting every chance you get and WE will ALL get there eventually.
No, Romney is probably not the best candidate, but he’s good enough to beat the Communist Kenyan….right now that has to be our top priority. We have to beat him to make sure we still have a country to clean up!
Okay, maybe Romney will just slow us down to 70. If you take a turn too fast you will overturn. Slow us down, get room to breathe then work on getting the RINOs out. Get as many as we can out now of course but this is going to be a long fight. If we try to change everything all at once the Dems and the RINOs will just blame all their failures on us for the changes. Yelling they didn’t get enough time to complete their programs and how much better things would have been under them. And of course they will say any improvements will have been because of their programs starting to work. Make changes, point to their failures and show our improvements, implement more and repeat. If nothing else, maybe we can sneak up on them.
Not now! Later. Get Obama outta there first, of course! (I wonder about Andrew McCarthy himself.)
BTW, Commentary’s Jonathan Tobin, big disappointment, did a hatchet job on Michele Bachmann.
Finally! I thought I was the only one who thinks that way. First, GET RID OF OBAMA. First and foremost. Then will deal with “…those among us..”
McCarthy is correct as usual but he’s preaching to the choir….this is why we have a Tea Party, Andrew…among other reasons. But, for God’s sake (and ours!) please listen to wise Herodotus: NOT NOW – OBAMA FIRST!!!…and then we can clean up our own house.
There are several House members who signed the multiple letters questioning security clearance procedures, but Rep. Bachmann is the main target of the GOP Estabs. Big shock. This seems to be a rinse and repeat deal with the Estabs, and Mrs. Bachmann because they did the same thing the last time she ran for re-election.
As people digest the situation, I for one would like to remind people of the debates, and how well spoken Rep. Bachmann was on the dangers Americans face when it comes to radical Islam, and those in the Muslim Brotherhood. The woman knew her stuff. So, as we go out there and defend the House members for their questions, please reflect back to what Bachmann has said as to her role on the Intel Committee, what she can say publicly, and her concerns. She is no dummy, and she, as well as her fellow letter signers should be listened to very carefully. We should back those speaking Truth to those with blinders on. Or the illiterate senators/Estabs.
Also, as a historical note, since we seemed doomed to repeat things we never learn from, might I suggest some go back and review the Alger Hiss ordeal. From beginning all the way to the recent revealing end.
Andy,
Congrats for leaving National Review and moving to a new place where you can be heard and respected. Sorry if I am late, but I just heard. As a 30+ NR reader, I have given up on them too. Hopefully Steyn will be next. May you and the esteemed group including Derb, Ann, M. Levin and others live long and prosper.
Please keep up the great work of bringing the truth into the light of day. I am certain if WFB was alive today he would be exiled from his own creation for his views of drug legalization and his criticism of the execution of the so called War on Terror. Agree or not, the place is no longer a cauldron of conservative ideas or a place where questioning the status quo or one’s colleagues is welcome.
Tom
Funny definition of “leaving” you got there: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/310198/questions-about-huma-abedin-andrew-c-mccarthy
FAA Has Authorized 106 Government ‘Entities’ to Fly Domestic Drones By Terence P. Jeffrey July 20, 2012
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/faa-has-authorized-106-government-entities-fly-domestic-drones
Isn’t it interesting that whenever you listen to these so-called “moderate” Muslims, they never seem to have a good thing to say about the United States? Their statements are always qualified ones, and they usually go “America is a fine country, but…” With them, there always is a “but” attached to everything. We are a powerful country, BUT we kill lots of “innocent” people. We are a free country, but we are morally bankrupt and destined to burn in hell for our political and religious views. And so on, and so on.
My favorite is that we are such “Islamophobes,” even though since 9/11 there have been literally hundreds of terrorist attacks committed agianst both the United States and other western nations. In short, Islamists in this country always have one or two nice things to say about America, BUT you will never, ever, hear them repeat those words in the Middle East or in some Muslim nation. Because for them to show any loyalty or love for this country would be seen as being traitors to Islam and to the Muslim people. We are, and always will be, infidels in the eyes of these people and nothing we say or do will change that.
Muslims have hated us even before we were a nation, as Thomas Jefferson noted as far back as the 1786. That’s why he was so quick to send a small fleet against the Barbary pirates when he became president, because he knew that there was no negotiating with these people and that they would never just leave us alone and live in peace. Jefferson knew that back then and not much has changed since then. Perhaps John McCain should re-read some of the comments made by Jefferson about the Barbary Pirates. I’m sure he could learn a few things. You can read some of those views here in this article by Christopher Hitchens: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2007/01/jeffersons_quran.html
Russia’s Top Cyber Sleuth Foils US Spies, Helps Kremlin Pals By Noah Shachtman July 23, 2012
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/ff_kaspersky/
The Blind Sheikh and his subordinates were not merely “violent extremists,” seized by some sort of psychological problem. They were Islamic supremacists.
The two words Islamic and supremacist are redundant. Islam is all about destroying all other belief systems. It starts rat there in the first verse of the Holy Ko-Ran, and goes on from their, sinking deeper into its pathology of hatred and aggression.
You’re right, the strong connections between the RINOs and Moslems is the flag of surrender. But, what the hell: RINOs have failed to offer an opposition to the onward march of socialist soldiers, so why would they take up the more difficult and risky cause of freedom vs. Sharia. I puke every time I see Grover Norquist, Rick Perry and Chris Christie because of their links to Moslems and Islam. You’d expect that from Hillary and ex-Rep. Wiener, but the Republicans at least ostensibly are supposed to stand for freedom.
There are no Moslem extremists, nor are there any Moslem Moderates; there are only Moslems.
What do you expect when the erstwhile leader of the GOP(the idiot Bush),took time out from pimping out his nation to the mexican plutocracy,to declare that Islam was a religion of peace. A RINO is a democrat on the installment plan.
Ron Paul’s Texas Straight Talk: Lesson From Aurora: Gov’t Cannot Protect Us From All Harm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1_g3-FFFtFY#!
Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed is his false prophet, so lets get that out of the way. Who else lies and murders their way to supremacy? Only the evil.
What politicians are bowing to is deception, it may be economic deception, it may be politcal deception but it is deception just the same, a kind of spiritual blindness has come over these folks and obviously the President is the chief of the deceived. Just think we paid for this evil with our oil dollars in part.
The Jewish and Christian worlds beware, the enemy is inside the gates, this is the truth and has nothing to do with fear mongering or “islamophobia”.
Because these things are going on in Washington D.C. as they are, is an indication of how dark it really is these days.
Keep fighting Andrew, you do not fight in vain.
Considering the fictional background of obama, considering all the sealed records, considering that he spent a part of his formative years in a Muslim country studying the Koran (by his own admission), considering his un-American personal attitude and behavior, considering how all of his policies are in conflict with the best interests of our country, considering his 20 years in a “Christian” black racist church, considering his support for the Muslim Brotherhood and his behavior toward Israel, and considering the disastrous effects his administration has had on our way of life, can someone try to convince be that it is not a possibility that he is a Muslim practicing taqiyya? (We already know he is a pathological liar) Why is he being allowed to get away with it?
It appears the RINO establishment seeks to expunge the anti-socialist from the party. We want your votes, but keep your crazy notions of liberty to yourselves.
Don’t work so hard fellows, I’ve already left. What good is voting if you are screwed over either way. McShame is as big an enemy of the republic as Chairman-0, and that is not an exaggeration.
I only wish I lived in the state that would allow me to support a patriot like Bachmann. My vote helped put a so called tea partier in CONNgress, only to see her vote with the socialist traitors like McShame.
I don’t intend to make the same mistake twice.
Outstanding article from McCarthy. We need people in government like him and more like King and Allen West. What Great Britain is going through is coming our way. I would like to recommend this video of a speech by Paul Weston.
http://youtu.be/egWkLppIB58
A great speech from a very great leader, chairman of the new British Freedom Party, Paul Weston! I attended a meeting for Paul Weston in New York City in February and was so inspired by his speech, I wanted to rush over to England and join the EDL in their street protests!
I urge every Briton to join British Freedom! Check out their website (I go to the site daily). Help to save Britain! Brits, every day, everywhere, pass out British Freedom’s 20 Point Plan!
Britain is being administered as if it is an Islamic country conquered by Muslims. Patriotic Brits are being viciously persecuted by UK leaders/police. Especially EDL (English Defence League)leader, Stephen Lennon. He is constantly physically attacked by Muslims. One attack was caught on video, but the authorities refuse to prosecute the violent Muslim attackers, or give Stephen police protection which he desperately needs. He is forced to wear a bullet proof vest. The patriotic, courageous EDL are intensely hated by both UK authorities and Muslims.
Although the EDL and British Freedom are still separate, they have teamed up together, and the top two EDL leaders are now leaders in British Freedom.
EDL Kevin Carroll: The government is facilitating the Islamification of this country! It’s got to stop! You’ve got to defend Christianity at all costs! At all costs. Defend Christianity at every turn! At every possible chance, defend Christianity!
EDL Dewsbury 30/06/12 – Kevin Carroll Speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkXE0W2Hzvc
British Freedom is Britain’s last great hope! NO SURRENDER!
Thank you, Shelton, for the Paul Weston video link. I watched the entire 30+minutes. Wars’ aim: to achieve political control over territory — in this case via creeping Sharia — is the harsh and frustrating truth Britons like Weston are proclaiming. Would that Brits had sense enough to throw out their TVs and wake up to their dire situation. The good people of Britain need our prayers; they are being led to the slaughter, much the way our country’s leftist-Muslim nexus intend for us.
Our Constitution is incompatible with Sharia; but our law school professors are 99% liberal, according to Georgetown law professor Randy Barnett. This is ominous.
What I want to know is this: Tony Blair’s Labour government imported masses of immigrants, among them over two million Muslims. Why is Romney planning to visit with him when he travels to Europe in the near future?
It’s time we realize that Mr. J. McCain can learn nothing regarding Islam … that is a fact; he is double-minded and cannot be trusted to defend our nation.
Defenders of liberty SHOULD abandon the GOP establishment … this is the reality of the world today and only God Almighty can intervene on our behalf; so that He can save the reputation of His own Almighty Name. We have a congress full of double-minded and weak morons that can’t agree on the color of SH…1…T!!! Politics has NO place in America except in the trash can!!!!
McCain and Boehner should be ashamed of themselves and I call them both OUT NOW!!! PLEASE RESIGN or MAN UP!!!!!! The choice is simple … CHOOSE COUNTRY AND DESTINY OVER PERSONAL GAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Defenders of liberty SHOULD abandon the GOP establishment”
Not I for I intend to take it over.
I agree and I am with you!
Nor shall I abandon the GOP as I also plan to take it over…America is no longer the country of 2008…we are awake and aware of the lies, threats and thievery occurring by the very people we are suppose to trust. No longer will we allow this to continue but we cannot start from scratch and expect to win; we must replace these RINO politicians with each election…from dog catcher, to school board member, to the president! And then we MUST educate and remind our children and grandchildren to never make the mistakes we did!
The short answer is yes, but I dare say we Liberty lovers do not associate ourselves as Republican. All religious groups in this Country are bond by the Constitution and our laws, Islam (Muslims) should not be given any more rights then those already established. The Muslim community has a long way to go in establishing trust.
This is SEDITION. They should be kicked out of our country. They are the government’s Top Favorites. We need a government that is patriotic and believes in freedom!
Council on American-Islamic Relations: “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.” – Omar Ahmad (CAIR co-founder).
WND.COM: 09/27/2006 Suicide bombers follow Quran, concludes Pentagon briefing. Tasked with pinpointing motivation, analysts find terrorists ‘rational actors’ following ‘holy book’. Addressing a youth session at the 1999 Islamic Association for Palestine’s annual convention in Chicago, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) founder Omar Ahmad praised suicide bombers who “kill themselves for Islam,”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52184
I’ve maintained that Republicans are as much statists as the Democrats, i.e. think that the solution to problems comes from government and not the individual. Mainstream Republicans seem to have forgotten Reagan’s maxim. Or maybe they’ve never embraced it.
I judge the fitness of a candidate for office by how many pages of the Federal Register he/she will remove; failing that, how few will he/she add. Right now, Romney will add fewer but, jeez, I’m really getting tired of holding my nose while voting Republican.
I guess better late than never, but really, this article (well-written and closely wrought and all) rates a loud ‘Duh!’. Many of us left the Republican party long ago. If the final straw for you is GOP attitudes to the Muslim Brotherhood, well, fine, whatever works — but the list of party failings is much, much longer.
Gratuitous handy household hints: Be especially wary of people who use ‘partner’ as a verb. Also, perhaps, ask if there’s any subject on earth where you would defer to the judgement of John Boehner.
To many of us the GOP’s sole remaining use is as a vehicle to oust Obama. And no, we have no intentions of voting Libertarian.
There is nowhere else to go. America is, by its nature, a “big tent” country, and the parties are “big tent” agglomerations of people who have overlapping, but not identical interests. There is no other way. It is necessary to take the long view, to form alliances, take two steps forward and one step back when it is necessary. But patriotic conservatives have awaken as never before, we are strong now, and now is not the time to march off alone into the wilderness. Politics is the name of the game. Play, or lose by default.
I never abandoned the GOP – they abandoned me in 1994, when Bob Dole rolled over on the assault weapons ban.
Since then, I have been a registered Libertarian (until 9-11) and then Independent.
I am a fiscal conservative, small government, social liberal. I just want governments to leave me the hell alone: I don’t want them telling me what to do, offering me other peoples money or taking mine. So clearly the GOP and demoncrats are unsuitable.
Too bad good names for political parties have been coopted by loons like Pat Buchanan: the Constitutional Party, or Freedom party would be good names.
I am a fiscal conservative, small government, social liberal. I just want governments to leave me the hell alone: I don’t want them telling me what to do, offering me other peoples money or taking mine.
Right. You’re a “social liberal” but you want the government leave you the hell alone and stop telling you what to do! Social liberalism can be defined as interfering in peoples private lives and telling them what to do.
Is the question politics or survival? If “My country right or wrong, but my country,” is thought to be immoral is “My party right or wrong , but my party.” less so? Registered Republican.
Thank you for a wonderfully clear and precise presentation of this situation. I don’t believe I’ve read any article that’s done it better.
Elucidating the “why” behind the use of mind-bending and deceptive labels such as “Violent Extremists,” and what magician’s-distraction-trick — goal — it (and others like it) is meant to accomplish is so vital to being able to confront and attempt to deal with it all.
All this deliberate “play” with “words” has the effect of placing a confusing veil over our minds — so difficult to sort out what is real.
I’ve tried to have discussions with friends who have fallen hook, line and sinker for this “violent extremism” label, and etc., who insist terrorists are “just crazies” — and I’ve gotten nowhere. I’ll try to use parts of your article to help in the future.
The truth is, I think they accept these bromides without much question, because they’re soothing somehow … because they’re afraid to the feel “fear” and that there’s a huge confrontation and more wars — on the horizon. They laugh when it’s suggested that our “liberties” are in danger — believing that we are so secure, and that could never happen. They so “want” to believe that things are … more or less … under control.
And your pointing out how far we’ve gone — just since 1995 — when you were honored for revealing the Islamist supremisist ideology inspiring the Blind Sheik and his followers … until today, when, for arguments re the same, you are accused of promoting “hatred” and “Islamophobia.”
Of course, I knew this, but hadn’t really absorbed the extent and how quickly it’s all … changed. It’s shocking to contemplate — and frightening.
It is bewildering, and seems like some madness — some virus has infected the brains of our politicians — that, as you say, has caused this preposterous “blindness.”
I agree with your feelings about it, but don’t know about abandoning the GOP at this point — If we did, all it would accomplish would be another 4 years of Obama. It seems to me that the best Conservatives could do would be to replace the “establishment” GOP, by continuing to elect more and more real Conservatives into the party. I just don’t know what else can be done to shift the power.
Until then, we just have to continue to make ourselves heard — and keep pushing to reveal the truth re the absurd propaganda that is being foisted on us — and the real dangers we are facing — as you have and continue to do so superbly.
Thank you again.
One obvious problem, perhaps the greatest problem, is that America law and society is simply not set up to fight such a thing. Indeed, the political correctness of the Left unwittingly enables such a confluence to make headway.
The gov’t's position is that you can’t really do much more than treat this as a crime and so prosecute after the fact. Yes we have law enforcement intelligence arms set to circumvent acts of terror but we really don’t have any way to fight immigrants who don’t like us. In a very real sense, it is their right under our Constitution. Thus the only way to fight it is to stop immigration to Muslims.
The strongest weapon each side has is immigration and since we will never stop Muslims from coming to America due to a perception of bigotry, this fight will be lost over the decades. I doubt even a dirty radioactive bomb with thousands of casualties would stop Muslim immigration at this point.
London was attacked and the result has been dialogues about how Islamophobic Brits are. This has been the ultimate legacy of 9/11 in the States too. There is no cure for stupidity when our own Constitution guarantees our handing power over to anyone in the Third World who comes here, no matter how they behave, entering illegally or not. Perhaps the single most dangerous word to America is “profiling.” Sad to see such a great culture undermined by its own weak spot called political correctness.
Mr. McCarthy writes extensively and some would say obsessively about the dangers Islam poses to our country,and to our way of life. His “obsession” is our reminder that the nuts are running the asylum, and kudos to Mr. McCarthy for not letting us forget. Having said that, his assertion that maybe it is time to abandon the GOP is misplaced. We have come this far as a nation because of our system of Government. The two party system,having survived many challenges, is one of the cornerstones of our Country. To ask for the abandonment of the GOP in favor of a Third Party(what else?) does our Republic no good. Mr. McCarthy should instead devote his many talents and resources into shaming political figures such as Senator John McCain and Secretary of State Rice and make them see the error of their ways, or expose their corrupt agendas and chase them from the Republican Party. I do not quarrel with Mr. McCarthy lightly but it seems that here the Left and the Islamist got the better of him; we have a long war in front of us, and we must keep our cool, otherwise we are inadvertently doing the bidding of the enemy, and who better than Mr. McCarthy the prosecutor to know this.
The point, many would say, is that the GOP is so identified with the problems as to be unfit to participate in the fight, let alone lead it. That applies to many camp followers, often MSM, corrupted and damned by association.
To ask for the abandonment of the GOP in favor of a Third Party(what else?) does our Republic no good.
That depends on what the Third Party does — why the sarcasm? The GOP is not forever, the choice for all eternity, painful though that seems to be for you. Voters have never been enthusiastic about the Divine Right of Kings, and aren’t about to start now. There’s a lot more talent in the country than exists at the rotten heart of today’s GOP/RNC and in the ranks, however hard you deny it.
Ariel, with respect:
Senator John McCain and a few of the other RINOs are poor leaders at best. We cannot waste our time trying to change them. They’ve proven time after time that they are expedient people who are unwilling to lead us in a proper manner; they are unwilling to fight our fight. Moreover, they are unwilling or unable to recognize what has been the most consistent evil in history: Islamic Jihad. All of the multicultural bs, whitewashing, and historical scrubbing won’t change any of it. The EU and now our own government have been feverishly scrubbing our histories to obscure the truth about this preeminent tyranny.
I’ve never had any faith in their side and very little in our side. I see no reason to change or waste our time.
Thank you Andy. I can always count on your clear vision, excellent analysis and strong voice to document what is really happening in our world, depressing as it may be. There are only a few people who I really trust – you, Mark Levin, William Jacobson of Legal Insurrection and a few others. I pray for all of you & your families as we need your brave and honest voices in America now more than ever.
Rand Paul: “We’re compromising all the time to spend more money.” Brian Doherty | July 23, 2012 http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/23/rand-paul-were-compromising-all-the-time
There are good people who happen to be muslim. However, no “good” muslim is a good person.
Re: “There are good people who happen to be muslim.”
I simply have to disagree. That’s like being a little bit pregnant. It’s oxymoronic.
If a muslim reads and accepts their Koran and lives by all of its precepts…no picking and choosing among the verses..no discarding a verse here and there…. no ignoring the violence and discriminating parts….then that muslim is not a good person.
Or, if that good person does in fact pick and choose which verses he (“she” being automatically excluded) then that good person is an apostate and is going to be murdered by a co-religionist, for not being a good person in the squinting, narrow eyes of sharia.
There’s no ecumenical sharing (no pun intended) among our polarized civilizations…Western and Sharia.
he Wages of Willful Blindness: Is It Time for Defenders of Liberty to Abandon the GOP?
That time has long passed. The GOP has been willfully involved in destroying our bill of rights. Just using current events, HR347, the NDAA, standing in place while obama power grabs through executive fiat and allowing our nation to go deeper into unsustainable debt.
All this has been carefully crafted coup by those who control the money supply. The progressives have been playing this out for decades. Both ruling parties are deeply involved. All the worthless fiat money chasing even more worthless funny money is going to come to an abrupt ending. American Life as we know it will be forever changed.
Have any of you ever read the book called “The 5000 Year Leap”? If you really want to know just how far off course we are from our founding principles, I highle suggest you read it while its still available to read!
Simply brilliant. The famous historian Arnold Toynbee said: “Civilizations die from suicide not by murder,” and Winston Churchill said: “Americans are always doing the right thing, after trying everything else.”
I’m wondering when America is really waking up…or do you need to be bombed into reality?
Clearly we need to be bombed into reality – but I’m not even sure about that. Having 3,000 people killed in about a hour only put us into a snit and then we rolled over and hit snooze.
It’s obvious that in terms of the Muslim Brotherhood’s “Civilizational Jihad” we are behind the eight ball, and that virtually our entire Executive branch, Defense Department, Intelligence and National Security apparatus, and Congress—not to mention our MSM and Academia—have been listening, in effect, to “Grima Wormtongue” and are be-spelled, they are weak, confused, fearful, uninformed (but some quite well aware and complicit) and, thus, unable to separate reality from fiction and politically correct propaganda; they do not want to recognize, understand, or face the abyss that yawns before us, to jump in, and to enter the very bloody, brutal, dog eat dog, existential fight, so, they resort to denial or temporizing, hoping that the cup will pass from them, and have to be drunk by some successor generation.
Our first priority though, ought to be to jettison Obama & Co., and then to perform a thorough D & C., to root out the corruption, and to put stronger, more aware patriots in place, who are not afraid to peer into the abyss, to tell the truth—no matter who it offends or how impolite–and to jump in to fight for our country, its continued existence, and for our freedom.
I am reminded of the scenes in the old 1950s Kirk Douglas film “The Vikings,” where characters have to jump into a wolf pit to fight for their lives and to die a true Viking, a man’s death. Our current day leaders want to flinch away from that fight, or to sabotage our efforts to fight, and tell us that there is no wolf pit and no wolves, when they yawn right there, before us.
I applaud Mr. McCarthy’s “cut-to-the-bone” article. And wow, does it smart! I have been following this encroaching Sharia development for some time, at a variety of websites and from a handful of writers, but this one article brings it all together in one place and finally suggests an attempt at a remedy: the GOP must go.
They have made themselves redundant; they are mere power-sharers with the leftist Democrats. As I stated here not too long ago, we have two parties with but one agenda. The Republicans are being sent out to gather up all the right of center votes — because these voters have no where else to go! And the establishment, transnational progressives steering the Republican Party know this. Can you imagine for a moment with what unfeigned delight these liars and killers of liberty relished the Tea-Party-delivered House majority in 2010? Only to turn most of them once sworn in.
I wrote elsewhere, as early as 2009, that the grand strategy of the establishment is to play us for fools — because they can. Every time anyone talks about a third-party, the response is always the same: Perot; there is no grass-roots infrastructure for it; too late to get on the ballot; it will split Republicans and deliver a Democrat.
Well, let me make an announcement: It’s time for us to stop prostituting ourselves to the GOP. They use us then spit us out once they’ve had their way with us. And we keep letting them do it. And it’s become abundantly clear to anyone paying attention that conservatives are cheap dates; that conservatives haven’t even the courage of their own convictions, much less should they expect the GOP to have any.
The only, let me say it again, the ONLY leverage we have with the GOP is our threat to abandon them, and let the chips fall where they may. Moreover, the only way to remain principled is to follow our own PRINCIPLES and tell the liberal GOP that they are equally responsible for the nightmare we face (that they pretend does NOT exist).
This is what I want to see, and I want to see it yesterday: every conservative Republican, DeMint, Sessions, Steve King, Jim Jordan, and too few others to come to mind now, stand up and be heard in your defense of Bachmann. And why aren’t the governors getting in on this? We’re talking about an existential threat, to our freedom, to our way of life. If Romney wants to be a man, why doesn’t he attack the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act? Why doesn’t he address the seditious policies of our State Department?
Is it because it’s already too late? Then what about the rest of us? What are we going to do? Watch this 18-minute video and pay particular attention to the last several minutes –
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/22/leaders-with-ginni-thomas-dr-larry-arnn-hillsdale-college/
“Our liberty and security are threatened, and the questions not only of whether GOP leaders comprehend the stakes, but also of whether the Republican Party remains a worthy home for defenders of liberty, have become very real.”
They’ve been “real” to me for years, and I believe for millions of others.
The GOP has one last chance. It will not survive another term of cowardice, complaisance and conciliation with liberalism. If Romney becomes another George Bush, he’ll be gone in four years and his Party may too.
Excellent article.
But, ….”why should conservatives concerned about liberty and security bother with the Republican Party?”
We shouldn’t bother,…….but what do we do? Form another Party?
Leftism is a spineless doctrine. It creates nothing. It only takes. If you have read Dylan Matthews’ WAPO column of 7/23/2012, it’s clear Leftists cannot think deductively or inductively. Because they have not been pushed to create a genuine moral or intellectual foundation, nor been forced to exercise intellectual discipline. Thus Leftist doctrinaires cannot explain why violating the Constitution makes for better social justice.
They have run into a brick wall. That brick wall is justification. They have no way to justify confiscating what we earn to support programs that have made their victim’s lives worse; in fact, they have quite failed and made a mess of everything.
The rest of us are catching on, and Leftists are beginning to feel the heat of our anger. So what do desperate, fanatic doctrinaires do when they see their meal tickets threatened?
They look for allies.
Andy McCarthy wrote in Grand Jihad that the Muslim Brotherhood had close ties to NAZI Germany. The NAZIS were leftists of the first order. Hitler and Stalin were good chums, remember? So is it any wonder our Leftists are now in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood, a group that has stated it hates our Constitution and our freedoms? Not to mention it so hates our wealth, it wants to tax it away from us. And guess how they plan to get it? Infiltrate the West and impose the dhimmi tax rate on everyone not Muslim.
If the defenders of liberty abandon the GOP… they abandon America.
Simply put, because that’s where the fight is at.
Any 3rd party or “stay at home” endeavor at this time will either split the vote or dillute it. In effect, it would be like running away from the very core of our responsibilities. Like it or not, we are and will quite likely remain a two-party nation for the foreseeable future and any laws and policies that are to be enacted or any judges or justices that are to be appointed will come from either one side, or the other.
The three-part solution is quite simple, and already in progress.
First, true patriots must take over the GOP by cleaning it out and then themselves run for leadership positions. The 2010 election was a good start, but will have absolutely zero meaning if squandered in 2012… either by loosing, or by winning and not reforming.
Second, the GOP and the entire conservative movement must warn and educate all! of America about what I call “the 20%ers” – the real leftists, who year after year poll anywhere from 18-21% of our population. These destructive people must be exposed and not be put in charge of anything important ever again.
Lastly, we must all do our part – pass the word, volunteer, donate, recruit and participate. Only then can we regain what has been lost… and only then can we hope to remain the land of the free and the home of the brave. May God bless America.
Another possible solution would be for conservatives to convert to fundamentalist Islam en masse. Think of the advantages. All criticism of conservatism from the Left would immediately (and permanently) stop. And we’d never have to listen to Stewart’s or Colbert’s smarmy drivel. “Outspoken” people like that are the first to clam up in the face of genuine danger.
But best of all (and it’s impossible to overstate this one), we would never, ever have to listen to Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton again.
Ever.
I don’t know about you, but THAT sounds like paradise to me.
Gary Johnson Could Appear in Presidential Debates By ELIZABETH FLOCK July 23, 2012
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/07/23/gary-johnson-could-appear-in-presidential-debates
Preachin’ to the choir with me. I’ve lived long enough to see the legal definition of the word “rape” change from “forcibly inserting your p-ness into a woman’s body” to “engaging in relations with a woman after she willingly pours alcohol down her own throat”. I’ve seen many words come to be applied exactly the opposite of the way they were originally intended to be applied, and “jihadism” has morphed from “Islamic terrorism” to “jihadism” to “Islamic extremism” to “religious extremism” to “violent extremism” faster than a chameleon changes colors in a disco.
Sadly, sensible people like you and me,who know what we’re talking about, are always shunted to the back of the line by a long conga line of brain dead idiots in times like these. Always. Every historical atrocity that ever happened,the rise of the Nazi Party, Stalin’s purges,all of them were proceeded by men just like you and I attempting to warn every one of what was coming. For our efforts, we are usually shot as that idiot conga line congas right up to shake hands with the mass murderers,lunatics, and fanatics who will either shoot them,rape them,loot them,enslave them, or some combination of these.
That is our fate.
The young idealist in me is giving you a standing ovation. I applaud you for your wit,for your patriotism,and for your courage,but for my own sense of morality I cannot encourage you.
I know enough to be cynical, and the cynic in me is screaming that the best course of action is to hole up with enough supplies to survive doomsday and wait for the idiots to commit mass suicide.
Perhaps that is fate as well.
Sadly, you capture much about human nature in your comment.
McCain is worse than “fundamentally flawed” in the political sense. There has always been something very wrong with his character, which is one of extreme “me-first-and-only” self-entitlement. He was wrongfully admitted to the Naval Academy with bad grades ahead of more qualified applicants because his daddy and granddaddy were admirals. Rules that apply to ordinary people don’t apply to him. He thumbed his nose at Annapolis because he couldn’t be kicked out or flunked out, because he was JOHN MCCAIN, son and grandson of ADMIRALS. He ignored orders and crashed planes, because he couldn’t be disciplined as the son and grandson of admirals. He ditched the wife who stood by him, when he wanted a rich blonde chick young enough to be his daughter, who could finance his political ambition. He was caught taking bribes to his wife from the Keating 5, so tried to cover his tracks by imposing the McCain-Feingold nonsense on everyone else (laws only apply to everyone else, not to JOHN MCCAIN). He entertained a blonde lobbyist in ways that worried his staff, and improperly pressured the FCC for her in exchange for …., because he is JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!!. He yelled obscenities at other senators who questioned ramming his McCain-Kennedy amnesty through the Senate in the dead of night without debate, and screamed he knew more about it than anyone else – because he is JOHN MCCAIN, a legend in his own mind !!!!!! He has had secret no press allowed meetings to praise Mexico as our dearest friend and closest neighbor, calling enforcement of the laws “Rhetoric”.
As president, McCain, like the man he helped elect. Barack Obama, would have tried to rule by fiat and would make Hugo Chavez look like George Washington. Like the Alice in Wonderland Queen of Hearts, if any GOP congresscritter disagreed with him “OFF WITH HER HEAD- I’m JOHN MCCAIN, KING OF THE UNIVERSE!!!”
There has always been something consistently very wrong with McCain’s character. Through it all, this lying unreliable self-aggrandizing megalomaniac poses as a “straight talker”, and is so sick, he probably believes it himself, because he is JOHN MCCAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!, son and grandson of ADMIRALS.
Islam does not teach the same sort of compassion for the other that virtually every other religion including today’s “secular humanism” teaches. Muslims murder and torture each other without compunction and their own ummah, “brotherhood” has no condemnation to offer. That’s because they don’t value individual human life the way Christian westerners do. It’s not a concept in Islam, which means it’s not a concept in Muslims “hearts and minds”. Their hearts and minds instead understand what Allah teaches them in the Koran, namely, the Collective Will to Power.
When will our leaders understand this? And moreover understand that it is necessary in the end to treat Muslims in the way they themselves understand moral principles? Which ultimately means that they must be beaten back and vanquished and humiliated by a greater strength. That is clearly what they understand. Every move to win their hearts and minds only strengthens them, emboldens them to advance their own peculiar ethics of the world, which couldn’t give a damn about “hearts and minds”, as we understand the term. They will accept the shehada from anyone they can swindle and connive to recite it while at the same time are willing to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Whatever it takes to build the army of Islamic soldiers is what their ethics is about.
There is no way of avoiding the reality that the adults in this world are going to have to act like adults and step up and slap, and in a big way, Muslims who have made of their own societies the equivalent of “Lord of the Flies” and who now threaten to overrun every more advanced society with their mayhem. We’re going to have to come to terms this reality. Either that or it’s simply going to be cruel for all of us, with no kindness in sight, and possibly no one left to come and rescue us off an Island from Hell that in our passivity and cowardice we allowed to be taken over by moral pygmies.
In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.
Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of unicorn hunting.
“Moderate” Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No “moderate” can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”
Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of “moderates”, making them irrelevant.
Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
It is so refreshing to see an honest discussion on this topic, without all the vitriol that so often is associated with the topic. I firmly believe and recognize that negotiations with these groups, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, and other groups looking to implement Sharia Law leaves the liberty of this nation in jeopardy. The republican establishment’s inability to recognize the threat is the biggest surprise, and yet they had me duped for so many years on so many issues that I should not be surprised.
Any negotiations that wind up taking place supposedly allows for give and take between the two sides, which means that we are “giving” in to the role of sharia, which is and always will be an extreme form of authoritarianism. That is why it is so important to seek individuals in either party that do recognize the threat, and support them. As a tea party member, I am registered as a republican only to help shape the party with politicians who actually do understand the threats this nation faces. I actually feel more closely aligned to the Constitutional Party, and am only involved with the GOP because they are the only legitimate party capable of getting elected who might be able to recognize the danger. As this article mentions, there are some in the party, and they are always maligned by the media and the establishment types within the party. This is what we must work to change.
God Bless you!
Mr McCarthy has a spot on analysis, but seems to have missed that the tea party has been RINO hunting for a few years now. Educate/motivate and vote the SOB’s out!
The establishment had “selected” Romney as their guy long before the primaries started. The tea party should do the same and fight the battles before the primaries begin to select a candidate to go up against the establishment candidate.
David,
I doubt very much Mr. McCarthy has forgotten the Tea Parties accomplishments. There is only so much he can fit into his article and he has definitely not short changed us on credit over the years.
The strategy of the modern American Tea Party should not be to abandon the Republican Party, our strategy should be conquest of the Republican Party.
The analysis is excellent, and there is no question the Republican party is a large part of our problems. But here is a harsh reality: Unless and until a majority of voters embrace an alternative party, any move to vote for an independent, a Libertarian, or other third-party candidate simply gives victory to the Democrats.
We have an electorate schooled under the theories of John Dewey, to be good little supporters of all things liberal, and not to make problems for their betters. In the long term, we must fix that problem. In the short term, however, a second term for Obama would be the death knell for the Republic.
As is the case with crushing government debt and out-of-control government spending, it appears that the GOP is choosing to be part of the problem, rather than the solution, when it comes to the threat of Islamic supremacism. Certainly, that is a choice party leaders are entitled to make. But if it is the one they have made, why should conservatives concerned about liberty and security bother with the Republican Party?
Because you fight the war with what you have, not what you wish you had. We cannot afford another 4 years of Barack Obama. Everything you say about Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Democrat Party is true. Some members of the Republican establishment are Islamophobe-philes (they love them because they fear them)but as you say On the other hand, there remain many national security conservatives in the Republican Party.
You need to work with these people (which include Mitt Romney who is walking a tightrope to victory). Threats to go Third party may be emotionally satisfying but that road leads to another Obama victory and certain failure. By all means attack stupid John McCain. And encourage his running mate to step up to the plate on the Bachmann attacks.
Funny, I wrote a letter to the RNC yesterday expressing the exact concerns as were in this article. I told them I would stop donating until either they pressured McCain into apologizing to Ms. Bachmann and the other 4 congressmen or they come flat out and say they strongly disagree with McCain. Especially Ms. Bachmann since she is the one McCain singled out for character assassination. Was it because as a woman he had less to fear? These guys are dinosaurs and either the RNC gets rid of them or they get rid of the likes of me. Good to see I am not alone.
Mr McCarthy’s discussion of Islam is clear, wise, brave and honest. What can we do about the appeasers? What can we do about the collaborators? At least we should tell the truth about them. Even if we have to support them for a while we should tell them to their face that they are destroying all we hold dear. We should say clearly that we are waiting for better people to take their place. We do not have to pretend we admire them. As soon as better people arrive we can ditch the soiled goods.
A response to James Burtner (in a threaded comment from no. 2 comment):
Islam is not a religion. It’s a vast creed system encompassing the political, the religious, the legal, the social, and the cultural ways of life of Muslims, all based on the Koran and from Mohammed’s schizophrenic philosophy. The Koran is also a book of warfare rules for Muslims toward non-Muslims and unbelievers. If you are not a Muslim and have not submit to Allah willingly and have not accept Mohammed is the messenger of Allah, you could be either a dhimmi or a kafir. As a dhimmi, you can keep your faith so as long as you must pay poll tax to continue your life as a non-Muslim at all times. As a kafir, you are to be either casted out of the society, jailed, or put to death. Kafirs are the lowest of the low in an Islamic society and are treated badly by Muslims and dhimmis because they refuse to submit to Allah and accept Mohammed as such.
Under Islam, there is no freedom for other religions. Non-Islamic religious groups are compelled to pay poll tax to Muslims in a dhimmitude system, but they would not be allowed to raise and earn money to sustain themselves, upkeep their places, and try to convert Muslims to their faiths. It is either Islam or nothing. The Muslims will dry them out in time. In most Islamic countries, children born from non-Muslim parents who follow a different faith are automatically made Muslim in the eyes of Muslim doctors and nurses.
The First Amendment and the freedom of religion are anathema to Islam. We have an obligation to protect and preserve the liberty in our country, including freedom of religion and the freedom of speech. Muslims are obliged to wage jihad against this part of the world because the Western civilization have not yet submit to Allah and accept Mohammed as the messenger of Allah. If in doing so, the First Amendment and freedom of religion would be eliminated by victorious Muslims in a heartbeat.
If we do not fight to protect and preserve the ideals of liberty (freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc.) against the onslaught of Islam, we stand to lose MORE than just worrying about “persecuting” Muslims and their “freedom to worship”, we risk losing all the things our colonial and immigrant ancestors fought and sacrificed to keep America free.
We will not submit to Islam and Allah.
Islam is a religion, it is also a political system and indeed encompasses all aspect of a society. It is a secular-humanist Western affectation that one can separate “religion” from other aspects of one’s life, and from the rest of society as a whole.
As I said: “It’s a vast creed system encompassing the political, the religious, the legal, the social, and the cultural ways of life of Muslims, all based on the Koran and from Mohammed’s schizophrenic philosophy.”
The religion component is the beard of Islam. Muslims repeatedly insisted it is the “peaceful” religion for all of mankind. We must reject Islam and all of its components, no matter what.
Don’t forget the third leg in the Moslem tripod: military. Islamic credentials are clear that military action must be a key element of Moslem duty. In fact, it’s the ultimate duty. This has been noted by Moslem mass murderers time and again, with 9/11 being a fairly old example of that, but still a telling one.
Islam is a flat pyramid, with religion the broad one at the bottom, then Sharia government in the middle, and Jihad at the top. But all three each reinforces the other two. It’s an integrated perpetual motion machine.
While I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. McCarthy, and appreciated hearing him on the John Batchelor show on WMAL last night, I hope that he doesn’t think that this is original thinking. Robert Spencer – of Jihadwatch.org – has, of course, been saying this for years, along with Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs.
One point, if I may: as Robert Spencer points out, we deceive ourselves if we keep insisting on “radical” Islamist. Jihad and the supremacy of Sharia is a hallmark of Islam, not merely one branch of it; it is the so-called “moderate” Muslims who live in peace within Western Culture who may rightly be accused of not living up to the tenets of their faith, and are so accused by the Islamists. Given that many of these do support jihad against Western culture and the imposition of Sharia, albeit passively, we have a real problem on our hands.
While I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. McCarthy, and appreciated hearing him on the John Batchelor show on WMAL last night, I hope that he doesn’t think that this is original thinking. Robert Spencer – of Jihadwatch.org – has, of course, been saying this for years
McCarthy has been saying it for longer. Did you even read his article?
Islam is a “mandated” religion–born into it and to leave means death, converted to it to avoid death, enslaved by it to avert death, or death; therefore Islam cannot be allowed under any conceptual freedom of or from religion without the result being death…
“…Is It Time for Defenders of Liberty to Abandon the GOP?”
*great* (/s) TIMING, author.
Calling for voters to abandon the GOP about THREE MONTHS before the national election…without thinking that this might have the result of helping to re-elect Obama.
SOME PEOPLE GIVE IDIOTS A BAD NAME.
We cannot continue to bury our heads in the sand. While we are enjoying our junk food and video games, they are plotting the downfall of western civilization. It is shameful for our leaders to lie to us and help Islam to rewrite history. We will be politically correct, while they take our heads. Who are we protecting airports from? Who are we arming the Olympics from? Who is butchering all of Africa and creating a worldwide refugee problem? Who is constantly murdering their own people? You would have to be deaf and blind not to know who is causing this plague to humankind.
This is a story about media control in Egypt by the Muslim Brotherhood.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/48578/Egypt/Politics-/Brotherhood-trying-to-dominate-Egypts-state-media-.aspx
If it turns out it’s true, this little story could be very, very big.
Why hasn’t the House or Senate ever held hearings on the Muslim Brotherhood and their 50-year advancement in the United States?
If you want to view the progression of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. over the past 50-years go to Citizens for National Security (CFNS) website and link to “Task Force Updates” “Muslim Brotherhood Full CFNS Report and read: Homegrown Jihad in the USA – Muslim Brotherhood’s Deliberate, Premeditated Plan Now Reaching Maturity©
Read online Stephen Coughlin thesis “TO OUR GREAT DETRIMENT”: IGNORING WHAT EXTREMISTS SAY ABOUT JIHAD. Next, why was Coughlin’s work ignored by DOD, along with the House and Senate Armed Service Committees to date?
Mr McCarthy,
Thank you for your very accurate and alarming article defining the Islamist Supremacist threat to the United States. You raise an excellent point in your suggestion that the Republican Party no longer deserves the support of American conservatives. I could not agree more. The Republican Party has become democrat-lite within the confines of the Beltway, and has steadfastly ignored the Tea Party movement. Instead of embracing the Tea Party and effectively eliminating the democrat party as we know it today, the Republicans continue to hope the Tea Party will go away. The attitude of the Republican establishment towards the real threat of Islamist Supremacism while ignoring the resurgence of conservative political thought in America can only result in the end of a once-great Republican party.
I found this web site for the first time after listening to a replay of Rush
Limbaugh’s Monday, July 23, 2012 radio show. He mentioned Andy McCarthy’s
informative article, so I read it and all the I excellent comments.
So the Dems DID steal our color! I always thought the Republican color was originally BLUE!,
What year did it change? The liberal media are likely the ones who facilitated the switch. Right?
“Taqiyya.”. REMEMBER this word. And pass it on to EVERY person you know!
Haven’t seen this word in maybe a year until today!
In comment #21, ‘rjh’ wrote: “….can someone try to convince be that it is not a possibility that
he is a Muslim practicing taqiyya? (We already know he is a pathological liar) Why is he being
allowed to get away with it?”
“Taqiyya” —– A little-known, but VERY important Muslim word…..
“Taqiyya” is the particular teaching explained on a website many months ago, but
but, which, unfortunately, failed to go viral.
“Taqiyya” teaches that Muslims are permitted to LIE, but ONLY to NON-believers/infidels,
if it will further the cause of Islam. Get it? They speak their truth to their fellow Muslims,
but will flat out LIE to any and all NON-BELIEVERS. — US! So members of Congress, BEWARE!
I will try to post the URL after I locate it on my jump drive.
Excellent article! In response to some suggestions from the comments, I think the best approach to dealing with our “Fifth Column” must comport with the Constitution. We can’t and shouldn’t even consider deporting “all Islamics.” The correct approach is based on legal prohibitions against advocating the overthrow of the government, clear threats of intended violence, etc. Denaturalization and deportation are available remedies currently on the books. Regarding the GOP, I respectfully differ, and would rather vote out the RINOs and replace them with true conservatives like Michelle Bachmann. The infrastructure is solid; we merely need to repopulate it with better people. Starting a third party would be too risky in terms of splitting the vote with the still alive GOP. Historically, third parties don’t do well.
Why do Mitt Romney and John McCain not want to expose Barack Obama’s 20 year relationship with Marxist/racist/pro-Islamic/anti Israel Jerimiah Wright an election issue.
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Romney Condemns Ad Proposal Using Reverend Wright
Published: May 17, 2012
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The proposal to use Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Wright quickly brought comparisons between Mr. Romney and Senator John McCain of Arizona, the Republican presidential nominee in 2008.
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Mr. McCain spoke forcefully during that campaign in defense of Mr. Obama, saying on Fox News that Mr. Wright’s rhetoric “are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with.”
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“I don’t believe that Senator Obama would support any of those as well,” he said.
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On Thursday, Mr. McCain indicated that he would again forbid advisers from using material about Mr. Wright.
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“Senator McCain is very proud of the campaign he ran in 2008,” said Brian Rogers, Mr. McCain’s spokesman. “He stands by the decisions he made during that race and would make them again today.”
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Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/us/politics/romney-condemns-ad-proposal-using-rev-jeremiah-wright.html?_r=1
Reminder
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Rage rising on the McCain campaign trail
October 10, 2008
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At a rally in Minnesota on Friday, a woman told McCain: “I don’t trust Obama. I have read about him and he’s an Arab.”
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McCain shook his head and said, “No ma’am, no ma’am. He’s a decent family man…[a] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues. That’s what this campaign is all about.”
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One man at the rally said he was “scared of an Obama presidency.” McCain later told the man he should not fear Obama.
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“I want to be president of the United States, and I don’t want Obama to be,” he said. “But I have to tell you, I have to tell you, he is a decent person, and a person that you do not have to be scared as President of the United States.”
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McCain’s response was met with boos from the crowd.
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http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-10/politics/mccain.crowd_1_mccain-palin-mccain-campaign-obama-presidency?_s=PM:POLITICS
Allen West fully comprehends the Islamic agenda and has not hesitated in the past to tell it how it is but … he has been strangely silence in the past week. In other words … why has he offered no support to Michele Bachmann. What am not getting?
From your lips to West’s ears……a little late, and you probably won’t see this, but just in case:
http://www.therightscoop.com/allen-west-backs-up-michele-bachmann-on-the-muslim-brotherhood-infiltration-inquiry/
One day when the politically correct/appeasing democracies of the free world have woken up … the following words of Geert Wilder … words meant as a warning … will be reflected upon. However … it will be too late.
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Geert Wilder’s speech to Holland’s Parliament
Posted March 11th, 2008 in Military News
http://www.navyseals.com/geert-wilders-speech-hollands-parliament
So, Andrew, John McCain and John Boehner are now “the GOP”? Did you miss all the other Republicans who supported Michelle Bachman?
Yes … I did.
The voices of support for Michele Bachmann tend to be heard via conservative blogs and … conservative talk shows. Allen West has made his firm position on the Islamic worldwide agenda well known but … there has been no public statement forthcoming in the past week in regards to his support of Michelle Bachmann’s quest for an investigation into the Muslim Brotherhood’s infiltration within the Obama administration. Something is very wrong with this picture.
Perhaps Mr. West does not want to make the dispute any worse than it already is. He knows all to well that the MSM will try to get the conservatives to fight each other any way they can to weaken us and strengthen obama….We all know we need to cull all the RINO’s from the herd, but we can have this fight AFTER Nov 7th. This election is too important for us to be fighting amongst ourselves.
I disagree. The politically correct strategy adopted by John McCain of not taking a strong stand on the issues encompassing national security (Islamic agenda/illegal immigration) as well as a refusal to expose to the American people the known Marxist/ racist/ anti-Israel/ pro-Islam ideologies embraced by Barack Obama did not work in 2008. If the same campaign strategy is repeated by Mitt Romney in 2012 … logic dictates that Barack Obama will again emerge the victor.
Remember the Soviet Union?
How did the West defeat the Soviet Union? By giving them exactly what they wanted…Communism! After that, it was just a matter of time.
The same thing here…how to deal with this Islamacism? Give them what they want…ISLAMACISM!!
No radical Islamist country will ever be a serious theat. Those bozo’s could never field a modern army.
Time, to understand, the world.
I believe oil money has corrupted the Congress, the Executive branch, academia, and non-profits in the USA. The bottom line is that like China, another enemy that now calls the tune in America, the Saudi and other oil-fueled sovereign funds buy our Federal bonds every day. The bond sales prop up our corrupt government, allowing pols of both parties to use government largesse as a carrot to get enough votes to stay in power and line their pockets in so many ways.
Mr. McCarthy, another “amen” for your excellent analysis of the truth about Islam, and the dangers which it poses for our country.
I am less in agreement as to how to deal with the GOP establishment types. Any new political party would take years to establish and become competitive. The GOP has the base needed, it just needs a change in leadership. There are too many powerful time-servers and purely politcal power players, but the answer is to convince the base of the need for change, and to use the primary system to re-claim the party for the kind of Americans who created it in the first place.
The GOP is not the root of the problem. Conservatism inc is. It sold out to the establishment. And worse, Islamists and their allies control it. Grover al-Norquist is on the board of most organizations of establishment conservatism. And at least half of the non-establishment conservative groups are isolationist and apologize for the Muslim Brotherhood.
This is a civil war within the GOP and Conservatism inq. Fleeing is not an option. There is nothing else out there. We must build alternatives to Norquist-dominated and Paulite groups and take back the movement, the party, and the country.
I believe we’re simply witniessing the same kind of mass madness and appeasement that led up to WWII. All the world then thought that fascism and it’s kin were the great new thing. All the world were bending over in praise of Moussolini (sp?) and their ilk. It was beginning to look as though America were going to go down that road herself and much quicker than we have, but then, Hitler went full on crazy in a way that simply could not be ignored as much as they tried.
I think we’re seeing the same thing with this trend on Islam. And much like happened during WWII, I think the Muslims will eventually do something that simply cannot be ignored. The problem this time is that the “something” will likely be nuclear in nature and involve Israel. It will also likely be accompanied by violent uprisings in most of Western Europe that will have those nations literally fighting for their very existence, and this coming war will almost certainly be far bigger and far, far messier than anything we saw in WWII because this time, we will be fighting religious zealots.
I hesitate to use the words prophecy and Biblical, but the signs for it are lining up.
Andy McCarthy has done great job of articulating and detailing the comprehensive issue of the problem we the American people face in not only fighting the enemy, but knowing who is inside and outside our Nation and Govt.
Your article pointing to Huma Abedin as possibly the new Alger Hiss, McCain as the new Dean Acheson, along with the rest of the GOP establishment that is at war with Reagan Tea Party Conservatives, and or patriotic Americans in general, instead of the actual enemy of America, ie; radical islam and their agents of evil, is extremely factual accurate and freightening truthful.
This is what we must face, acknowledge, and realize as the serious US National Security breach that it is, by the very people within the GOP that have become willing allies and protected partners of those who wish to destroy America from within. This is a fight we are waging against Obama and his army of radical henchmen and cronies as it is, but to have to fight the same battle against and within the GOP itself against the same like minded liberal progressive mentality and attitude, is daunting and depressively sickening to say the least.
This has always been the case al throughout history, where “the people” have to fight all elements that seek to control, dominate, and dictate to and over us.
But with that being said, I have said that this GOP establishment that has been ruled by liberal progressive Republicans for over a century now, has been so corrupted and poisoned, that getting rid of all these parasitic RINO’s from the GOP, and fight the radical far left at the same time, ie; a 2 front war, on top of the liberal media, with their indoctrinated drones, aka useful idiots on both sides of the political aisle in every area and avenue in American society, makes it the daunting task that it is.
But if we can defeat them all in a new major political party, that would most welcome. But that strategy will never work, for if we leave the GOP and chose to let the GOP rot to the core on it’s own, they will only ally themselves with the Obamacratic party, and we can be outnumbered and isolated.
Like Ronald Reagan said, we must change the GOP with te right conservative people replacing those progressive liberal, transforming the GOP into a predominantly conservative political opposition party that it once was and should always be, if we are too save the US Constitution and Nation as it was founded, a Republic, a shining city on the hill of Individual Freedom and Liberty.
This will evident after 6 Nov, whether or not we succeed.. If yes, then we are on our way and we’ll be in great shape to finish the job as needed as time and elections goes by.. But if not, then we must consider the other alternative, a new major political party.
Regardless, the people who are putting their own selfish self-interests and their political party’s interests, over that of US National Security and American people, which affects the world’s Security and Peace, must be removed from power and office.
Thus ours is not to reason with those who have no reason, no logic, no values and principle of seeing, acknowledging, and doing what’s right, ie; what needs to be done, what must be done regardless of who is friends with who, which requires the right attitude and loyalty to and for America and our US National Security, but ours is to only defeat those who willfully ignore and even fight against those principles of country first-personal and political allegiances second, third, fourth, last, etc., on whatever side of the political aisle they come from.
The RNC pulled a fast one to keep the same consultants an power group that has failed Republicans outside the beltway and liberal, NYT controlled minds in the Northeast. This election is important, but more is cleaning out the commnist and muslims entrenched in the bureaucracy. Will Romney do it? I don’t think he can with the group he is close to, but regardless we need to have a new party whatever its name.