Fast and Furious Noose Tightens Around Justice Department
[Yes, that's right: All of these remarkable revelations happened yesterday, but we are just waking up to them now because, as observed here at Ordered Liberty yesterday, Republican leadership chose to go forward with yesterday's historic contempt finding -- the first ever against a sitting cabinet member -- on the day of the Obamacare ruling, when it was sure to get close to zero attention. Nice work, guys.]
Issa’s revelations, coupled with the contempt holding, will ratchet up the pressure on the Obama administration to quit stonewalling. The committee has been shown only a small fraction of the documents turned over to an internal DOJ inspector general. And, as noted here yesterday, DOJ officials this week — after repeatedly insisting they had already given Issa all relevant information — offered to show the committee more materials, but only on the absurd conditions that investigators not make copies and not take notes, an offer Issa wisely refused.
Also pressing is the question of why President Obama invoked executive privilege to obstruct the investigation if, as he insists, he had no knowledge of Fast and Furious until after Holder shut it down following Agent Terry’s death. It is true, of course, that if new disclosures confirm that the attorney general has been systematically misleading Congress, this will be very damaging to the president who chose Holder and has stood by him during this scandal. But that is nothing compared to the firestorm that would flow from any indications that the White House was clued in to Fast & Furious while the investigation was underway.
Stay tuned.
Where there’s smoke, there’s Obama
Begging the question: Will AG Holder also submit to the form of “depression” that killed Vince W. Foster?
Wow, talk about “Just Desserts”
Hillary is already on this. Missing files tell no tales. Hey, it’s Chinatown.
Holder will be gone in a week once the wall around Obama is in place.
Why? And why is the noose tightening? We have already found out that Justice will not prosecute Holder. It is also unthinkable that Congress will have him arrested. Impeachment? Do you really think so?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/06/29/letter-from-justice-department-to-boehner-on-holder-contempt-vote/
It’s an election year. The more it drags on, the worse it is for Barry and Issa is dripping bits of info, so it will linger. This needs to be nipped at the bud before it blossoms in October– even the dolts on his election commity will figure that out.
Holder will be under the bus shortly.
Holder might “resign” …for the good of the country.
and he should leave the country with Roberts..
Since Obama took office, our nation has been on the skids. It’s disheartening to find racism at such a fever pitch these days. Lies at every juncture.
We need our nation and our pride back. He has taken it and made a mockery of America.. Although I do not believe it started with him..
For the good of the country?
No – for the good of Obama. Nothing else matters.
It was bait-and-switch, and the power-holders knew it all along. They knew all along that they had authority to mandate as a tax, but they also knew they couldn’t call it a tax for getting re-elected reasons.
Which goes to account for the stunned progressive reaction to the challenge in the first place. How dare anyone question their authority?! But the Court today makes them look cowardly, for having the lust for their convictions but not the courage of them.
This interpretation shows the Court remonstrating Democrats, saying, “You passed a tax, by God — now you call it a tax.”
Plus any bill that imposes a tax on the citizens must start in the House.
Obamacare started in the Senate – It’s an illegal tax.
Our nation has been on the skids for a LOT longer than that!
If you don’t know that, you are very much a part of the problem.
Was “commity”(sic) intended as a pun, or was the word supposed to be “committee”?
“Old Yellowstain” is in the bag for the establishment and has been dragged along kicking and screaming to support Rep. Issa….why? There are many republicans that need to be retired as well as ALMOST all of the democrats currently in Congress (both houses). What is the (legitimate not political) reason for ANY American statesmen to oppose the need to expeditiously establish the truth behind Fast & Furious? If there were to be any possible reason for all Americans to unite and come together, this is it? Federal agents are dead. Innocent Mexican nationals are dead. Thousands of unaccounted for weapons are awash in the southwestern U.S. and Mexico.
The actions of the black congressional caucus speaks for themselves – their blackness trumps any desire to find the truth – support and protect the possibly criminal actions of a black AG and a black POTUS above anything else – the truth be damned. Pelosi is a laughingstock and an embarrassment to all civilized Americans.
The most infuriating element of this travesty is “Old Yellowstain”‘s ambivalence and plodding in regard to this investigation. Why is he not vigorously defending the rule of law and holding to account those involved? What or who is he afraid of? (I hate to end a sentence with a preposition, but I only have a high school education) Does anyone else care?
Looks like we are getting closer to the need for refreshing the tree of liberty.
Bingo!
While I totally agree with the article, I am not sure that “noose” is really best choice of metaphors here, all things considered…
You’re correct. There is really nothing new here.
Really? I didn’t even think that until you pointed it out. You might want to examine your own racism before chucking the “racist” card in someone else’s face.
We need to place Obama and all of his FELLOW TRAVELERS in the unemployment line….except for the ones that go to prison; there’s some republicans that need to find another way of life also.
I agree with Buckeye. Holder is about to “resign”. (Yeah, I did the quotes with my fingers.)
Given both President Obama and Eric Holder’s statements in 2009 where they linked their desire for an assault weapons ban in the U.S. with the situation in Mexico, it seems unlikely Holder had no direct knowledge of FF. Such an inexperienced ATF team of 7 seemed set up to fail so the DOJ could escape blame.
When OC exits in DOJ and WH with Da Chicago Boyz Club can you expact resignations?
The only resignations we will achieve will be ourselves to this abomination.
November can’t come soon enough.
Sadly, even if Holder is finally brought to justice Obama will pardon him. Two very evil men.
Obama will not be able to pardon Holder – if Obama loses 2012.
The fish rots from the head down…hopefully all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Years ago, I read an account of the Japanese-American internments during WW2. The author was a fellow named Page Smith, a history professor for a long time at University of California, Santa Cruz, which for those who don’t know is one of the more liberal campuses here in California, where even the conservative campuses are liberal. Anyway, Smith was an old-fashioned New Deal Democrat who worshipped FDR, and when he wrote this book he had to look at a decision that was taken during his idol’s administration that was certainly less than politically correct. The title of that chapter of the book, the one where Smith discussed how they came to decide to intern Japanese-Americans? It’s titled “The Decision Nobody Made”. Seriously.
This is what the Dems are looking for. The ATF “walked” these guns into Mexico, more than a thousand of them. At least one law enforcement officer up here was killed, and as the article notes there are reports of multiple killings south of the Border. So far the Administration has ostracised and retaliated against the whistleblowers, promoted or favorably transferred every supervisor involved, and tried to convince everyone who’s paying attention that nothing happened here, and if anything *did* happen, well, no one’s responsible–other than Bush, of course, because he did it first.
Everyone else is predicting that Holder will resign. I seriously doubt that will happen any time soon. You need to think like lawyers, here–not principled ones like Mr. McCarthy, but slimy lawyers. Think Bill Clinton, John Edwards, et al. If Holder resigns, that’ll be taken as a sign that either he or someone directly subordinate to him did something wrong. Obama and his advisors will fight that tooth and nail. Remember, Holder’s the Attorney General. Believe it or not, pursuant to the Contempt vote yesterday, the Justice Department this afternoon announced that they wouldn’t be pursuing charges against their own boss! Who could have seen that coming?
From the way they’re acting, I think it’s pretty obvious that something serious occurred. I think that the Administration is stalling, hoping that something else will happen to distract the media (look, a pony!) and get them away from the story until after November. If they lose the election, Obama will pardon them all (including maybe himself) and if they win, they’ll just brazen it out, probably using a version of the Clinton line about how “I’ve stalled and dodged that question enough that it’s old news now, and you should be asking me about something more recent.”
Frankly, I’ll be stunned if they *let* Holder resign under any circumstances. The only way he leaves, in my view, is if he’s impeached (very unlikely) or his boss loses his bid for reelection.
Fast & Furious was an attempt to restrict our second amendment rights by making true an old Leftist lie – that 90% of guns used violent crimes in Mexico can be traced to this country. In light of recent SCOTUS decisions, gun control laws are unlikely to stand.
The plan in F&F was to dump weapons into the hands of the Sinoloa cartel as they were engaged in a war with the Zeta cartel, knowing that it would cause an increase in violent crime along the Mexican border. These guns could be traced to border state gun dealers. Mexico would send the State Department a “demand” letter and would request that we tighten up our gun laws. The result would be a Treaty with us banning or restricting our gun laws in border states. Obama has, by executive order of course, imposed new gun sale reporting requirements. This operation would then move to other states and in the end, we would reimpose the assault weapons ban.
Who would likely be briefed into this operation? Obviously Justice who own the FBI, ATF and DEA. Homeland Security have ICE and Border Patrol operating on the border. The State Department also would be a player. Three Cabinet members do not come together in an operation without the President being in the loop.
Congressman Issa needs to broaden his investigation.
Napolitano of Homeland Security – would fall apart – if Issa broadened his investigation.
Napolitano could not hold up – when she was before a congressional committee inquiring into Holder’s mishandling of the Christmas Day bomber.
Napolitano has still not provided the identities of the parties at Homeland Security – who had placed sensitive, classified information on the Homeland Security website for all the world to view.
Bingo. I see a lot of people counting chickens that show no sign of hatching.
There’s a lot of wishful thinking going on.
Obama and Holder have killed hundreds of Mexican civilians and that’s just the count from the guns they ran that were recovered, which is probably only a very small percentage of the increasing total number of Mexican civilians murdered. They have committed a slow motion, and continuing, 9/11 against Mexican civilians and need to be called to account for their mass murders most foul and punished for their capital crimes. I can not fathom how any self-respecting person of Mexican heritage in the United States could possible vote for Obama in 2012. It would be like any American voting for OBL for President.
Issa needs to send Josh Randall to bring Holder in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUROZEmC1WQ&feature=related
Andrew,
There is another facet of this I have not seen explored. Please educate me if the following paragraph is incorrect:
If a US law enforcement agency wants to involve itself in the sale of weapons purchased from US gun dealers for export purposes–sales that may be part of an legitimate enforcement or military operation–that agency must apply to the State Department for an exemption from the licensing requirements normally imposed on the commercial sale and export of such weapons. Before State issued those exemptions, ATF would have had to demonstrate operational accountability, convincing State Department officials and other relevant agencies that F&F reflected solid planning, measurable objectives, and an endgame which guaranteed that none of the weapons in question would go missing or be used in the commission of crimes. I believe that DoD and Treasury would also have to sign off on such an exemption.
It would be very interesting to see the exemptions and see just exactly who approved them.
Interesting. Holder and company don’t want to identify the lawyers who signed off on Fast and Furious, don’t want the states to identify who’s in the country illegally, don’t want to require voters to identify themselves with photo ID (ID without which you can’t buy a gun or fly United), but they do want you to snitch on yourself to the IRS to pay the Obamacare insurance mandate tax. Damn democrats are bloody greedy.
FeralCat makes an interesting point about Mexican citizens suffering from the fallout of F&F….maybe that will be the tipping point – when they start raising hell about what happened.
Sadly, the AG and POTUS may very well be above the law. If republicans are not willing to pursue this aggressively now, then Obama will just pardon all involved and effectively “get away with murder”.
I pretty much agree; but remember, a pardon can only be issued after conviction. And that’s a ways off…
have occurred, for example:
“Can the president pardon someone who has not been convicted of anything?
Preemptive or anticipatory pardons are used on occasion, usually with the belief they are serving a national interest. Such a pardon was issued to President Richard Nixon by President Gerald Ford. The pardon covered all the offenses Nixon “committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.” Another preemptive pardon was issued a few years later by President Jimmy Carter, absolving any person during the Vietnam era that “violated the Military Selective Service Act by draft-evasion acts.”
Has anyone ever challenged pre-emptive pardons in court? For example, did anyone ever challenge the Nixon or Vietnam draft-dodger pardons? If so, what happened during those challenges?
Also, if a specific pre-emptive pardon (or law or executive order) is unchallenged for a long enough time, does it become legally unchallengeable? In other words, if a pre-emptive pardon is not challenged within, say, 10 years of being issued, does it become legally unassailable? Or can you challenge such a pardon without any time limit?
It seems to me that a pre-emptive pardon is morally dubious at best but lawmakers (and presidents) regularly try things that stretch the envelope of the law. If those things are unchallenged, they seem to become precedents and are then used to push the envelope even further.
To my way of thinking, it would be very interesting to challenge a pre-emptive pardon. If it’s never been done before, it should at least be attempted if Holder (or Obama!) receives such a pardon.
Mexico would be under no obligation to honor a presidential pardon.
Never happen. Why would Mexican president Calderon risk damaging the deal he has with Dear Leader and allowing Mexicans to self-import into America? No Mexico will remain silent about the deaths. He would not want to risk the millions we give to him as aid. Finally he would not want to jeapordize the $20 billion his country gets from illegals sending money to Mexico from workers in America.
– looks like an act of war against Mexico.
It’s really good to be the king… in this case, good buddies with the king. You can get away with murder, or at least facilitating it, and never have to to answer for it.
It has been inconceivable to me that top DOJ officials would have been unaware of what was happening in Fast and Furious.
Me too.
But that is nothing compared to the firestorm that would flow from any indications that the White House was clued in to Fast & Furious while the investigation was underway.
What else could be the meaning of Obama’s assurances to Sarah Brady that they were working “under the radar” on banning assault weapons ?
Ironic that Texas’ assertion of executive privilege is dismissed out of hand by this AG
If the George W. Bush administration had any part in the operation, I hope they will tell it all….instead of letting the vague referencesw continue.
The only “sort of” link I’ve seen is Operation Wide Receiver, which involved trying to keep track of weapons using radio beacons. The Mexican Government was informed and involved. Wide Receiver was shut down when it became apparent that the gun runners knew of the transmitters and were taking counter measures.
Repeat: the weapons were NOT being allowed to walk, the investigators were trying to use radio as a proxy for eyes and agents on the ground. The operation was evaluated and shut down because it was not working. And the Mexican gov’t was involved.
The operation was NOT running when Obama got elected. Fast and Furious was totally under Obama, no part of it was under Bush.
Senora Quixote, the “vague references” to “Operation Wide Receiver” have been thoroughly researched and reported over and over and over again. In his patient response to your post, Phillep Harding succinctly sets out the parameters of Operation Wide Receiver which completely differed from Operation Fast and Furious as to scope, actions, purpose and results.
The purpose of the “vague references” by the Obama Regime’s minions is to set up windmills with which errant and confused knights or knightesses must joust.
Or that oh so willing dupes like Donna, who pretends innocence but is most probably not, will pick up on and try to run with in the hope that other fools follow.
What’s more galling — and I don’t think addressed in your report — is that Democrat and CBC member Elijah Cummings, who is the ranking democrap on the committee — continues to say there is nothing there and it is all politics. this man so-called is a LIAR. but I guess it is Ok since he walked at Selma.
Mr. Cummings is also the liar that said he was called the “N” word and vilified by the Tea Party Patriots. Remember that bunch who lied and Andrew Breithart caught them doing it when he put up a reward of $100,000 if anyone had a video of Mr. Liar Cummings getting dissed? It now turns out the Cummings knew that the louse Holder had lied because Cummings got a look at the depositions before Issa did. So Cummings is a liar as well as a jerk. That whole bunch in the “Black Caucus” is nothing more than a group of communist slaves of the Democrats.
Relax guys. Barry will be OK. Next week he’ll say he never heard of Eric Holder, Brian Williams will run the clip, a chorus of Dems will do Gilbert and Sullivan “He never heard of Eric Holder” and the AG’s office will scrub any reference to Winston Smith, sorry Eric Holder.
Does Mexico have a Seal Team 6? Just idle curiosity.
I think the Obama administration confused Mexico with Libya. Consider: The Mexican government knew nothing about the guns being supplied to their arch enemies, which leads me to believe Holder’s justice department, if not trying to overthrow the Mexican government, at least was trying to destabilize it. And for what reason? Maybe to increase illegal migration of Mexican nationals to America since our economy is declining and now Obama wants to put them on welfare to keep them here.
obama will never get rid of holder. He knows more about obama, and all of his background and so can never be thrown under the bus. holder and jarrett – buddies in crime.
Yes, the firewall. But time and truth will prevail- eventually (and the stench and stain of scandal will forever follow them at the least).
Yes it will – and in liberal circles it’ll be a badge of honor that accompanies the stench.
“obama will never get rid of holder. He knows more about obama”
Right. And Ron Brown knew all about Clinton …
I think the difference here is that Brown was never anything more than a patsy to be used, and thrown away when he became inconvenient.
Holder is a high-ranking member of the same crowd as Obama. He’s not a patsy – he’s an equal, if not a superior. I don’t mean in the public sense, in Obama’s Administration, I mean in the behind-the-scenes-those-who-are-really-running-things kind of way.
I don’t understand why there are any documents left to turnover. Holder and Co. had 18 months to shred everything in sight, and crush the hard drives. They could get into some trouble for that, but not as much if emails surface of direct involvement by the White House, or proof that Holder initiated the program. And when the shredding is discovered, the Democrats will chant “Shame!” at Republicans and claim it’s all a witch hunt. And no one will ever be held accountable.
Do you really think there aren’t low level officials with copies of pertinent information in case they are fed to the wolves by Zero and Holder? They can shred away – those copies will surface at some point.
I’d sure be packing up and copying like crazy. Then again, they’d never hire me to start with.
Anything done leaves traces elsewhere. From personal experience, chasing down all those traces is a royal pain in the neck. Someone with experience in a particular office can figure out what doc’s to pull that shows what was on the shredded documents. (About a year ago, someone with the Obama admin was talking about disbanding one of the agencies involved (ATFE?) and reassigning all the workers elsewhere. The purpose would be to shred the humint sources.)
Destruction of documents would be enough to send them to jail, just like perjury. As the affair unravels and investigators start digging, they’ll find documents that point to destroyed documents that can’t be found, so secretaries and clerks will get subpoenaed. Worried about a perjury charge themselves, some would admit that such-and-such a file existed and that on the evening of day/month/year they saw Deputy Assistant Attorney X carry them to the copy room, where he remained for 40 minutes, and then return empty handed. On top of that, probably half the people involved have made personal copies of many of the most damning documents as insurance against being made the sacrificial lamb.
As an aside, has anyone focused on an aspect of this case that should be a general rule or principle of law enforcement against drug cartels? Whenever a law enforcement agency is conducting a high-level operation against a drug cartel that doesn’t make a lick of sense, but happens to be exactly the arrangement that the drug cartel would want in place if it was in charge of the police, then the law enforcement directors are almost certainly working for the drug cartel. I’m sure Columbians and Mexicans could explain the principle in great detail, but don’t be surprised if high administration officials retire to tropical villas that they couldn’t possibly afford.
Are there words strong enough to label this outrage, that also includes hyping it up at the time and piling blame on American gun dealers? Somebody needs to put a video together juxtaposing the leftist boobs that were all blaming us and now what was really going on.
Question:
What makes you think that the Obamacare ruling and the Contempt vote dates are unrelated?
Justice Roberts knew what he was doing. He was a willing accomplice of the Obama Administration on Arizona and Obamacare. The court chose to release it on Thursday, the day set for the the contempt vote, and since there are no coincidences in Presidential Year politics, you have to believe that Roberts timed the Obamacare ruling, with it’s insane majority opinion, precisely to cover up the contempt vote for Obama.
They were already going all in for him with Obamacare, why not help him cover up Holder’s disgrace too?
The GOP thought this was going to be the week where they finished off Obama. Obamacare ruled unconstitutional, Arizona free to protect its citizens, and Holder charged with contempt.
No one ever considered the idea that Roberts would turn into the conservative movement’s Benedict Arnold.
I’ve been saying it since Bush nominated him.
Roberts was the young lawyer assigned to vet potential SCOTUS nominees for Ronald Reagan.
He’s the guy who gave an enthusiastic thumbs-up to a known abortion activist, Sandra Day O’Connor.
He’s a mole who has been activated.
“Rep. Darrell Issa’s wiretap disclosure appears to negate Eric Holder’s ‘I didn’t know’ defense.”
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In other news, Holder will be soon claiming that he was misquoted: that what he actually said was “I didn’t no.”
(which doesn’t quite measure up to “the definition of ‘is’”, but it’s a valiant attempt)
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Isn’t it weird when Slick Willie becomes the paragon of virtue? … Wow.
>>“I didn’t no.”
Cackle.
But what kind of sentence is that? Uh-oh, it’s Ebonics. We’re racist.
i can see the obamabus coming around the corner at the doj
How can it be called “illegally” purchased when it was permitted by the government? I know, I know, “semantics”. But the government had essentially screwed the personal gun store owners with this operation, and were going to leave them out to dry with legal proceedings had this operation not come to light.
Just another sting.
Will the entire DOJ fit under the bus?
Obama Lied, Mexicans Died.
Couple that with -
Its not his PIGMENTATION its his POLICIES and
Its not because he is BLACK its because he is RED.
I agree with most of the above..
One good thing from this discovery of F and F is that the Just-us dept. would not dare try any more clandestine, under the radar,
gun control,
unless Bambie is reelected.
Several firearm companies are no longer taking orders for the month of July,
you will have to wait until Aug. Sept. to receive your gun.
Thanks to the Just-us dept. we now have a gun behind every blade of grass. (World War Two Japanese Quote)
Andrew: It doesn’t matter what day they held the contempt vote. The media has been covering for this sorry administration at every turn.
You’ll see more of the Black Congressional Caucus playing the race card on CNN than any discussion of the facts surrounding Fast and Furious. Most of the MSM are liberals, and liberals are liars.
It doesn’t matter what day they held the contempt vote. The media has covered up for this sorry administration at every turn.
There is only one thing wrong with you otherwise sound argument: you seem to assume that Obama, Holder and the people they appoint to pet projects are professionals and care about the law. No, I think that they are arrogant ideologues who know that they are above the rule of law whenever it gets in the way of their agenda.
I think the one thing that distresses me the most is what else happened yesterday. The Democrats have seen these documents and know something is amiss, yet they staged this walk-out yesterday claiming that this is all political. My believe is, if they really cared about a solution to this, they could have delayed the vote and put pressure on the White House and DOJ themselves. I’m not sure if this would have achieved anything, but it would have showed that everyone is concerned about finding out the truth. Instead, the Democrats showed they are willing to assist in the obstruction of justice, even though there was a death of a Border Patrol agent involved.
Just remember, this is the same group that wants your vote in November.
The Congressional Black Caucus serves a useful purpose. It puts all the worst criminals in one place, so it will be easier to round them up for the guillotine.
Cummings should get a cell adjacent to Holder’s.
Sometimes a “witch hunt” …finds the witch.
We now know that ObamaTax was a bait and switch.
Fast and Furious is a coverup.
Executive privilege is a shell game.
Amnesty by fiat is a usurpation of power.
And absolute power corrupts absolutely. Especially when the Propaganda and Lies Ministry won’t hold the corrupt accountable. The Fabian Socialists have the country by the throat. I want to call a cop…but all I have is the number to call Republicans.
The cops would only give you a ticket and fine you for disturbing their naps.
Enforcing the Law? We’re more into revenue enhancement, now. We need to fund our pensions somehow.
Well, it’s off to another “safety check”. We really cash in on those!
Somebody fill me in here. The DOJ just said that there will be no action taken in this case. Is this the end of the story? Seems to me like the bad guys just won. Again.
There could be a civil action against him if a DC federal judge will take it. Don’t hold your breath.
Time for Holder to go under the bus, along with Rev Wright and Van Jones.
Not quite the end. From Foxnews: “But Congress is not completely out of options. It could move to appoint a special prosecutor or it could seek to enforce its subpoena through an action in civil contempt — a measure the House also approved Thursday. That would leave it up to a court to determine whether the invocation of executive privilege was valid.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/28/unpredictable-road-ahead-after-holder-contempt-congress-vote/#ixzz1zHThFYK7
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Fast and FuriousMurder and MendacityWhat sinks Holder and Bama are the whistle blowers. They’re so arrogant, Obama and Holder never thought anybody would rat on them. Obama is holding those pardon, get out of jail free cards close to his vest. He’ll be using them. They’re toast.
Let’s hope so, Ms. Peeps…for our Country’s sake!
It comes down to the simple fact that AG Holder is as clueless as is Obama.
Both are inept individuals…doing jobs that they should never have been given in the first place.
We have two dead border agents and their families need closure…
Fire Holder, take down Obama….and THAT will be a start.
Cf: #15:”It would be very interesting to see the exemptions and see just exactly who approved them.” I suspect there are no approvals, no exemptions. If one believes there is neither right or nor wrong, only power, then whatever can be gotten away with is the truth. The error at the beginning is believing therefore, there is no Truth later on…Will they stake their life, um Life on this? I wouldn’t. “IHS”
I don’t even need to get philosophical about truth, I just need to put on my former ‘crat hat to figure out how to weasel around permits and exemptions. So, I’m going to run a little gun planting operation along the border, sort of a Potemkin Village for “under the radar” gun control operations. I’m going to use US cash and US assets amongst the gun, drug, and people running class along the Border to get US legal guns to crime scenes along the Border. Now since I don’t know just exactly who my straw purchaser asset might give or sell a gun to or which side of the Border that transaction might take place on nor do I know definitively which side of the Border such gun might be used in a crime, I’m not really exporting US weapons to Mexico and therefore I don’t need no stinkin’ permit or exemption.
The salient fact here is that no real Mexican bad guy would buy a US legal semi-automatic weapon at the retail price in a US gunstore. First, real bad guys don’t want no pansy semi-autos, and especially not at the $500 – $2000 US retail price. Second, you you can get stolen US military fully automatic AR platform weapons on the black market for the same price or less than the retail price of the legal semi-auto versions. Third, you can get AK platform military fully automatic weapons for as little as $100 and get them by the truckload for $200 – $500. People who buy and handle cocaine and heroin by the ton don’t have to go to bordertown gun stores to get guns.
The fact that the wimp obama is trying to cover up for holder instead of throwing him under the very crowded bus only makes sense if holder has something extremely damaging on obama. Both should rot in jail.
but in the same jail cell, too, so as one of ‘em gets shafted and goes down, so does the other.
Mr. McCarthy, keep up the good work. The onion of corruption is slowly being peeled back and exposing this administration.
I think the evidence of White House knowledge, if not direct involvement in F & F is plain to see. Kevin O’Rielly is the connection between the White House and the Phoenix ATF. When F & F scandal broke, O’Rielly was mysteriously transferred from NSC staff (he had an office IN THE WHITE HOUSE) to the State Department and tasked with investigation of drug smuggling in Iraq. To this day he has remained out of the country and unavailable to be questioned under oath by Issa.
Between O’Rielly and Hope MacAllister (who let one of the main targets go after he had been stopped with 9 cell phones and ammunition in his car and had outstanding warrants!), the smell of White House involvement in unmistakeable
The documents show extensive communications between then-ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix office Bill Newell – who led Fast and Furious – and then-White House National Security Staffer Kevin O’Reilly. Emails indicate the two also spoke on the phone. Such detailed, direct communications between a local ATF manager in Phoenix and a White House national security staffer has raised interest among Congressional investigators looking into Fast and Furious. Newell has said he and O’Reilly are long time friends.
Mr. McCarthy asked, “What if they held a contempt party — and nobody came?”
I ask, “What if there was a revelation of putrid corruption upon corruption party — and half the country didn’t care?”
No doubt, Holder and probably up to even the White House, will eventually be shown to have behaved badly re F&F, unethically and illegally. I hope they get whatever is due them.
But will it make a difference in Nov 2012? Even if the worst did come out before then? I don’t think so. Not unless the MSM treated them as if they were Republican, which will never happen. Most people just won’t “get” it — or be that bothered by it. At least not the ones that aren’t already against re-election.
Oh, well, maybe … maybe there would be … some … who’d change their vote, if it came out that it was an attempt to use it all as an attack on the 2nd Amendment. Even so, there aren’t many who would be moved by that who aren’t already ready to vote for Romney.
The same goes for the Obamacare ruling. “Unconstitutional” might have moved some — maybe many. It’s clear and easy to understand. The word “Tax” at this point … I don’t know if it will affect many to change their minds. It has to be tried, but …. The only thing it might do is get more of those already convinced — actually out to vote.
I read that Donald Trump said that The O made a deal with the Saudi’s to keep oil prices down until after the election. I don’t know if that’s true or not — but high gas prices might be one of the things that would change people’s votes.
The voters who would make a difference really don’t have — aren’t getting the information they need to understand what’s really at stake.
Unless something that really “gets” to people comes out in the next few months, things aren’t looking so good for getting the destroyers out of our government.
Not that there’s no chance … but at this point, it seems slim.
Very, very depressing. Four more years of this — actually not of “this” … but of, oh, much worse than most of us would dare to imagine, will be upon us.
Have faith! Obama could not raise the $1 Billion War Chest that he claimed he would. American people are not donating to him. He is arranging campaign fundraisers on FOREIGN soil(!) SCANDALS are blowing to the surface – as if every day of this man’s life as POTUS is a reminder of the Grave “mistake” made in 2008 – through ACORN.
Even though it is “projected” as a win for Obama, he has yet to beat what Romney has raised – after the US Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare.
Investigation of doctors at Army Hospital in Seattle – exposes how Obama is cutting benefits to our Veterans – by having doctors “misclassify” PTSD as a lesser diagnosis = forcing doctors to MISDIAGNOSE their patients.
The Communist Party USA is desperate to have Obama re-elected = A writer for the Communist Party USA says that “…re-electing Obama is absolutely essential,” and warns that “divisions among Democrats and a potential wave of bad economic news can combine to threaten President Obama’s reelection.”
These Radicals are so bent on their ability to destroy America – w Obama as POTUS, they are forgetting that Communism is based on the writings of Karl Marx – in which Obama’s Marxist principles in being anti-business and anti-capitalist – is what is creating the ECONOMIC mess = NO HOPE for Obama.
Lines of defense so far:
No speaka duh enlish.
I can’t read, because blacks don’t get a good ‘nuf education in raciss Amerika.
I nevah heard of it.
It nevah happened.
I nevah signed nuthin’.
I nevah red nuthin’. (See above)
I’m incompetent.
I stopped it as soon as someone told me.
But I didn’t start it.
Everyone’s lying. But me.
There are no papers.
What papers?
We sent you LOTS of papers.
Redactions? What’s them?
You stole a car.
You’re a weenie raciss!
Did I mention I’m black?
I think that about covers it. And that’s just what he’s claimed SO FAR!!
Please help me, if I’m still missing any.
AG Holder: The gift that keeps on screwing us.
Thanks, Senators! Whose side are you on, again?
Proof That Obama Ordered and Holder Had Full Knowledge of ‘Operation Fast and Furious’(?)
On July 10, 2011, in news, by velvethammer
Project Gun Runner (Fast and Furious) was launched under the orders of President Barack Obama with the knowledge of Attorney General Eric Holder.
Deputy Attorney General David Ogden announced the Obama Administration’s new and aggressive ‘comprehensive plan’ on March, 24, 2009.
Full C-SPAN Video Link 3-24-2009
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg and Deputy Attorney General David Ogden held a news conference to announce the US-Mexico Border Security Policy – as part of President Obama’s plan.
C-SPAN2 – March 24, 2009
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Eric Holder Feigns Ignorance of Operation ‘Fast and Furious’ Now, But He Bragged of Overseeing Its Implementation in 2009
News about Operation “Fast and Furious” is now ubiquitous. Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson’s Fourth of July testimony to Senator Charles Grassley and Representative Darrell Issa blew the cover off what appears to be one of the biggest political cover-ups in the last 50 years.
In the middle of it is Attorney General Eric Holder, who now feigns a blissful ignorance about the whole mess: having nothing to say about its beginnings as Operation “Gunrunner” or its latest incarnation as “Fast and Furious.”
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Anyway, the problem with Holder’s feigned ignorance is that he gave a speech in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, in which he boasted about Operation “Gunrunner” and told Mexican authorities of everything he was doing to insure its success.
On April 2, 2009, Holder told the audience:
Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. (Italics mine)
Attorney General Eric Holder’s “I know nothing” imitation of TV’s Sgt. Schultz has evaporated with the discovery of an April 2, 2009, speech to authorities in Cuernavaca, Mexico, in which he took Gunrunner credit for himself and the rest of the Obama administration.
Unless Issa can keep the pressure up with these information leaks and as long as the TV media will stonewall the reporting, Obama will never give this issue to the Republicans. After November, if Obama is still in power, none of this will matter. By then Obama will be our worst problem all of the time. ABO2012
What a mess this country is in; the preswident can’t tell the truth and the justice department is crooked.
full of shit and running off at the mouth
McCarthy is correct. An OCDETF designation makes a case top prority within Justice and invlves closer DOJ supervision. To claim that rogue agents in Az concocted F and F is like Tojo claiming rogue pilots carried out Pearl Harbor.
Gary Fouse
DEA Retired
Unless there is a physical mechanism in place to force the executive branch to comply with a court order, what is there to just keep obama from saying “No”? If he refuses to hand over anything after being ordered to do so by a court, what then? That is exactly what we all expect him to do….just say “No, I’m the damn king, remember? I don’t answer to you piss ants.” The msm will make it all a racist witch hunt and then what?
Despite all the best wishes, I do not see anything short of a 2010-esque landslide victory throwing multitudes of democrats and pussilanious republicans out of office AGAIN to get “Old Yellowstain” and others to act – The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed 11-6-2012 – that’s our only hope. We the People need to forcefully interject ourselves and take back control of OUR friggin government
When I began watching Al Sharpton’s interview with Eric Holder on MSNBC I was little prepared to hear hard-hitting questions being asked an obviously uncomfortable Attorney General. Reverend Al grilled Holder with tough questions and I was drawn into the debate. The Daily Rash posted the transcript of the interview: http://www.thedailyrash.com/eric-holder-the-al-sharpton-interview
I can relate to you “big time” as an alumni of both the TMB trombone section and Viterbi SOE. For whatever reason, the bone section always has a lot of engineers in it. I guess that just means that we’re smart (or “bold”). Hahaha, Fight On!
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