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Asking For It

August 25th, 2013 - 5:15 pm

Drunk girls! Boo-ya!

“Where there is desire, there is gonna be a flame,” says the Pink song “Try,” written by Busbee and Ben West. “Where there is a flame, someone’s bound to get burned.” Truer words were never spoken. People have been getting sex wrong since people have been getting sex, and I see exactly no signs on the horizon that this is about to change.

The most recent hapless moke to kick himself in his own groin was TV psychologist Dr. Phil, who came under attack after tweeting the question: “If a girl is drunk, is it OK to have sex with her?” His people say, plausibly enough, that this was for research purposes but, oh, the outrage! Feminists demanded the usual multiple apologies followed by show trials and public shaming. The general response, delivered in the Twitter equivalent of hysterical shrieking, was: “No! Having sex when a girl is drunk is never right! It is always rape!”

Is it? Really? If you are imagining the girl is unconscious, absolutely. But if she’s simply drunk and says yes? Please.

Feminists have spent the last several decades striving to convince us that sex should be as meaningless to women as it is to the most brutish of men. Any psychic differences between men and women are the product of societal prejudice, we’re told, and the physical differences can be rendered moot by birth control and abortion. Promiscuous women are “empowered,” and any attempt to point out that their behavior is self-destructive or immoral or even merely less than wise is “slut shaming,” not to be tolerated.

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I think a "lowest common denominator" way to say what he was trying to say is "You can't shame people who have no shame, or refuse to be shamed".
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There is a Chesterton quote that says in effect don’t take down a fence until you understand why it was put up in the first place. There is a good reason that human sexuality was fenced off and the powerful possibility of new life being generated, no matter how much we try to wall it off, still exists.

Treating sex as a recreational activity does not bring long term success for society; but corruption. Discerning this fact gets you no kudos from the, “Everyone should pay for my birth control” crowd; but it is true none the less.
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Feminists are really stupid people. I wonder if they even can comprehend that Sandra Fluke could have stepped very easily from the pages of Hustler magazine circa 1980. I wonder if the ever ponder why exactly it is that Larry Flynt (and Hugh Hefner and just about ever other womyn-objectifying porn king) votes for the same candidates and supports the same causes as Gloria Steinem.
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they really are vile subhumans.
33 weeks ago
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In my view, reasoning with a feminist is like reading Shakespeare to a goat; it is simply lost on them. Having raised three girls in this culture, I found that the one piece of advice that connected was … that no matter what happened… they needed to keep their pants on. Imagine that? It worked! I find it rather rewarding that they later told me (the old man) that it was excellent advice; boys respected them and the result was that they were “empowered”. Take that you feminists!
34 weeks ago
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Andrew, I suggest a small, important correction to your statement that feminism considers promiscuous women to be "empowered." It is, in fact, the reverse: in modern feminism empowered women are promiscuous. Their only picture of men is a caricature - whether through power, money, charm, sex appeal, or force, the only thing a male is interested in is The Deed - so to be equally "empowered" the girls all have to live down to that.
34 weeks ago
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Here's a quote I would love to start hearing over and over ---

"You know, I actually think there is a reasonable case that I probably should apologize for [X].... but since it has been demanded of me to do so, I automatically therefore cannot. Too bad, but that's the deal. Sorry. Deal. "

Apologies can be requested, or , wow, here's a totally off-the-wall-idea: an intellectual argument can be made against what was said or done... but, hey the instant you DEMAND an apology of me, too bad, not gonna get one, that's that, moving right along.

Why are we groveling to such people? Start telling them to get stuffed. (That should go over well with rad-fems!)
34 weeks ago
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The funniest part about this particular controversy is that I remember some years back reading a young feminist (I believe it was Amanda Marcotte) complaining that when she picked up two drunk guys for sex, she was afraid one of them might be a rapist. By the very standards the feminists offer up, there was a rapist in the room. And it wasn't either of the guys.
34 weeks ago
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Many of you sanctimonious prigs wouldn't be here had alcohol not opened the door, so to speak.
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"People have been getting sex wrong since people have been getting sex..."

Well, the human race is still here so we must have been doing something right! Sex and alcohol have walked hand-in-hand for all of recorded history.

Sex is not meaningless to any man. Our entire existence is geared towards having sex with young beautiful women. It underlies almost every decision we make. Men consider it the ultimate form of happiness.

Sex becomes meaningless when you have the contradiction on the one hand of feminists asserting every sex act is an act of violence towards women, and then on the other a different group of feminists saying that casual sex empowers women. The feminists claim to speak for women, but they (like your typical woman) just can't make up their minds! They have no conception of sex. Fortunately, feminists have very little sex and thus have lower breeding rates.
34 weeks ago
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You say "conservative pompous assery and highfalutin moralism". Wait a-minute. Just because someone has morals and fails to live up to those morals doesn't mean those morals are any less moral. That's what sin is: missing the mark. It's an archery term used to describe a shot that misses the bulls-eye.



34 weeks ago
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It's funny, whenever I go on about Paul VI, and Humanae Vitae #17 predicting modern Western society, with its complete lack of respect for women, liberals always assume I'm about to try to change laws concerning contraception and/or abortion. But the thing about Christianity is that we believe God loves each of us more than we are capable of imagining, so He gave us guidelines spelling out exactly how we can maximize our happiness. His laws are an Owner's manual (or, Frank Sheed called them our "Map of Life"); you can "rebel" against His instructions for the proper care and feeding of our bodies, souls and intellects just as you can "rebel" against GM's suggestions for how often you should change your oil. And as noted above, self-restraint makes us better persons.

Anyone think maybe, just maybe, Miss Cyrus and Lady Gag would improve as persons if they learned a bit of self-restraint, self control? (Other than the Will Smith family lol). Even men are beginning to notice that the new order of things isn't all rosy; PJMedia's Helen Smith has written quite a bit on men who think "Hey, wimminfolk just ain't no fun no more, and that ain't fun fer us". No one is happy except the Robertson family these days and the general population doesn't know why! Because, the feminists told women they'd be happier if they fooled their bodies into thinking they're pregnant for a decade or longer. (Because we all know just how lovely and even-tempered pregnant women can be!) And then, they said, women would be happier if they all became as sleazy as frat brothers. Is this working for you all? It was supposed to cut abortions, too but that's skyrocketed, as have suicides, drug abuse (aka self-medication). Whether or not you actually believe in a deity, you really don't have much to lose by trying out the Christian ways of living that have worked pretty well for the past several millenia.
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Really funny, albeit crude piece at Robert Stacy McCain's site, The Other McCain. We apparently had Miley Cyrus stooping to new lows (and that is saying something!). When people dared to be offended by her skankiness, a "Gender Studies" feminist rose to her derense:

"I have no idea why throwing bodyshaming/slutshaming at Miley is being allowed a free pass. It's the propagation of heteropatriarchal crap."
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